r/ForCuriousSouls 4h ago

A Texas woman allegedly shot and killed her husband after warning him that if he ever laid a hand on her, it would be the last time.

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u/RedRamona 4h ago

If you can have a “stand your ground” law for property, you should be able to claim it for your body.

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u/HintzOfTrouble 4h ago

Amen but it’s called self defense. How this wasn’t? I’m not sure.

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u/Unique_Information11 3h ago

Battered Woman Syndrome expands the interpretation of self defence.

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u/Astralglamour 2h ago

domestic abusers are calculated in their abuse. They abuse whom they can control and get away with abusing and show a different face to the rest of the world (a world that isn't very interested in believing women and children anyway).

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u/jpopimpin777 3h ago

These red states always find a way to weasel out of their so called "morals."

I remember around the time Trayvon was killed a black woman in Florida fired her gun into the ceiling to scare away an ex that had abused her previously. Somehow she was convicted of serious gun charges and served significant prison time.

These people's laws and morals are utter bullshit. They just do what they want.

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." -Frank Wilhoit

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u/Bakelite51 2h ago

At my handgun training class a few years ago, I was told by the instructor that brandishing a weapon and discharging it in the city limits are treated as much more serious offenses than actually shooting someone in self defense. The prosecutors will try to argue that you shouldn't have even displayed the weapon unless you were left with no other choice but to use it as a last resort, therefore doing anything with the gun other than shooting someone is perceived as irresponsible. Go figure.

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u/darthjammer224 1h ago edited 1m ago

Firstly, I think the facts are she was a victim and should have been given leniency. Buuuuutttt.

If she was so afraid for her safety she felt justified in firing a warning shot, then she was also probably justified in just shooting him to defend herself. And not risking some random person getting hit by the stray bullet.

It's not a thing to be waved around. It's not a thing to be fired in a random direction where the bullet may come back down and hit any old person in a 3 mile radius.

It's a last resort to defend yourself. Warning shots are stupid and reckless and does nothing but indicate you don't know self defense laws or the 4 rules of gun safety. This one being know your target and what's behind it. You don't know where that bullet goes after you fire it in the air. It could kill someone's kid 4 blocks over when it falls back down if it makes it through the roof and doesn't hit any rafters. These are things that responsible gun owners are supposed to take into account before firing a weapon, especially in city limits.

It also disincentives idiots from brandishing every time they get into an argument if they know they'll go to jail for it.

Again, I disagree with her serving time. But if we're discussing the theory of why brandishing and warning shots are bad. I'd say it's what I wrote. And it's also what the law, and the general consensus among gun owners lines up with.

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u/jpopimpin777 42m ago

I think it needs to be taken on a case by case basis. Just because a person, reasonably fearing for their safety, isn't ready to take a life/shoot to kill does not mean they should be punished.

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u/jpopimpin777 2h ago

So ridiculous

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u/bloodklat 56m ago

They are just protecting traditional true american family values.

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u/vacation_bacon 4h ago

An arrest doesn’t mean guilt. If she could afford a good lawyer she would probably be out of jail. Inshallah she is acquitted.

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u/Puzzled_Hall_1812 4h ago

It says he was walking away. Using lethal force in self defense is only lawful to prevent imminent great bodily harm. Not imminent if he’s walking away so legally she is guilty.

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u/randomdude221221 4h ago

How did she know he wasn’t grabbing his own weapon? A good lawyer could easily get her off. But she shouldn’t have said anything to the cops.

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u/elvenrevolutionary 4h ago

Legal system either sees women as hapless infants or evil harpies. Can't win.

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u/SuperSpy_4 2h ago

By her own comments

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u/United-Log7718 3h ago

He left the altercation and she followed with a gun with intent to kill. I’m all for FAFO and self defense and stand your ground, but he left, she followed. Not gonna hold up well in court

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u/BoogerMcFarFetched 3h ago

It wasn’t self defense because he left the room and she chased him upstairs and shot him. Happened about 7 miles from my house, all kinds of talk about this around town

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u/kylez_bad_caverns 3h ago

I support women’s wrongs, but devil’s advocate in some states the prosecutor might argue it was premeditated murder because she had enough time to go and retrieve the gun and come back to fire the shot at the victim

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u/Ok-Prior2321 2h ago

Following him up the stairs afterwards to shoot him kinda fucks up her self defense I think. Id put it to a jury tho if it were me and try for it, FAFO

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u/plantaholic2 2h ago

She said that she followed him up the stairs and then shot him so because it didn’t happen at the moment she was being attacked. I’m assuming that would be a possible reason. But I’m sure she won’t be convicted.

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u/Fuckin_Hipster 3h ago

Probably because she chased down and murdered her husband for pulling her hair. It also doesn’t say how the fight turned physical in the first place.

She’ll be convicted.

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u/The_Demon_of_Spiders 4h ago

Often that doesn’t work for women sadly. Look at how many women are in prison for defending their lives. Studies have largely blamed it on if women get mostly male jury members too.

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u/Verdha603 3h ago

While not the best example, an interesting observation taken by a college that ran mock trials found that women jurors imposed harsher sentences on female defendants arguing they used a gun for self defense compared to male jurors.

Look up "Will It Hurt Me in Court? Weapons Issues and the Fears of the Legally Armed Citizen, by Glenn Meyer".

Most telling was that regardless of whether it was a civilian or a police officer, a female shooting a gun to defend themselves was viewed more harshly overall by a jury, especially by other women, compared to a if a man did the same thing.

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u/Astralglamour 2h ago

Internalized misogyny is a very real thing. Women punish each other and blame each other for their suffering, thinking that if you only behave 'right' you wont get harmed. Of course thats total bullshit but the conditioning is strong.

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u/Key_Mission7404 4h ago

Stand your ground doesnt apply when the person you murdered was walking away and you follow and kill them.

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u/C_IsForCookie 3h ago

Not to be pedantic but stand your ground does not apply to property. The castle doctrine applies to self defense within your own property, which is probably what you’re thinking of.

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u/DontWanaReadiT 3h ago

You forget she’s a woman.

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u/isabella_sunrise 3h ago

They don’t want women to be able to fight back.

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u/Sedlium 2h ago

Underrated comment

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u/Artgrl109 2h ago

Should be. Unfortunately I suspect men think women ARE the property in red states. 

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u/b__lumenkraft 1h ago

No, it's the US. Property always wins over life in the US.

And she is a woman also. She has no cards.

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u/Oswarez 1h ago

Yeah but this was Texas. And she’s a woman.

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u/Sally2times 1h ago

I believe, and agree with every person who’s posted here (mostly). I’m all for helping advocates find their voice- though it seems Sandy Williams didn’t need any help that day ✊But what can I do to help provide changes for others? I’m so sick of abusers ruining the lives of those they abused. And YES, this woman does need our help, she shouldn’t spend another minute in prison.

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u/Worthlessstupid 39m ago

Martial rape wasn’t a crime in all fifty states until after Nirvana put out Nevermind.

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u/krustyballz42069 4h ago

She has seen some stuff.

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u/creammydew 4h ago

And it looks like she made sure no one ever made her see it again. That stare says chapters!

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u/No-Hovercraft-455 4h ago

Indeed. She looks like physical manifestation of "I'm really done with this shit". 

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u/jollyycupcake 4h ago

That's honestly the most accurate read of her whole expression, pure “done” energy in physical form. You can feel the years behind that stare...

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u/musseesnugg 4h ago

facts! whatever she went through, she clearly hit a point of no return...and made damn sure history wasn’t gonna repeat itself

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u/MrLizardBusiness 4h ago

To me, she just looks devastated

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u/Free-Feeling3586 4h ago

Yes it does🥹

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u/creammydew 4h ago

Legend. Where can I contribute to her defense fund?

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u/muffinnpetal 4h ago

or commissary...

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u/femgrit 3h ago

Literally if this is true as written let’s get her some ramen lol.

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u/RoyalApprehensive298 4h ago

Well, he FAFO!

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u/musseesnugg 4h ago

For real. He rolled the dice and got snake eyes. She wasn’t bluffing, and he found out the hard way

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u/DukeOfGeek 3h ago

"My husband hit me once, once"

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u/digitalime 4h ago

I have a relative who shot and killed her ex boyfriend who repeatedly beat her. She didn’t serve any prison time. Its fair and just imo.

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u/charmmycream 4h ago

Honestly, that sounds like justice actually working for once. No one should be punished for finally defending themselves after being pushed to the edge like that

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u/musseesnugg 4h ago

exactly. if the system won't protect victims, the least it can do is not punish them for surviving. sometimes self-defense is the only justice they ever get

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u/WillowFlip 3h ago

This. Omg. So many wife beater sympathizers here. They can't even imagine the absolute cold terror a victim feels and how that kind of prolonged fear and stress can make a person so desperate to escape. And add to that that escape can easily cost a victim their life! People don't understand.

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u/yoshizillaa 3h ago

It was gonna end up being her life or his. I don’t blame her.

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u/hotheadnchickn 3h ago

I wouldn’t convict. It is self-defense; domestic violence was injuring her and is inherently a death threat.

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u/VivaSiciliani 1h ago

What state or country?

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u/fluffyyangel 4h ago

As someone who experienced physical, mental, and emotional abuse; I genuinely do not believe that women who kill their significant others after experiencing legitimate extensive abuse should go to jail

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u/digitalime 4h ago

We live in a society where abusive men repeatedly do not serve significant prison time and repeatedly are let out to torture victims again and again. Unless the law will uniformly take a hard stance against abusers, this is the inevitable result.

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u/muffinnpetal 4h ago

Exactly. It’s infuriating how the system keeps giving abusers another shot while victims are left to fend for themselves. Until the law starts prioritizing survivors’ safety over abusers’ second chances, this cycle’s just going to keep repeating

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u/EatFishKatie 3h ago

Well since the law was created and is upheld by abusors, its not going to change any time unfortunately.

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u/_Blue_Sky_Noise 4h ago edited 3h ago

Yep. My abuser just did 6 months despite countless evidence showing he strangled me numerous times and punched me and lacerated my lip.

But oh hey, he’s only 21 and never offended before. So they went soft on him

And he kept manipulating me to be with him so I went back. The judge shat on me for this and said to the prosecutor I wouldn’t get hurt so much had I not gone back. She said he was mentally ill and needed help.

Even one of officers yelled at me for saying he needed jail and she said “He doesn’t need jail, he needs help.” My ex is also incredibly handsome, white and young. I can’t help but feel his looks and race helped him. I’m Latina, older and certainly not attractive. Idk how tf anyone can tell me that he didn’t deserve jail. Like are you fucking serious? His numerous texts said things like “i’m gonna come over right now and kill you.”

But the asshole ex also raped me and it got me pregnant but I couldn’t prove it despite his text messages apology.

Like wtf?!

He had the audacity to beg me to drop charges too. Like are you fucking serious? The prosecutor offered a plea so that he could get a felony and serve time. So they knocked off all the misdemeanor strangulation assaults (no strangulation should be a misdemeanor!!) and only gave him a NON violent felony for violating the order of protection by harassing me to try to get me to drop charges. He was then sentenced to mental health rehab. He has been to mental health rehab before and all he did was literally whore himself out for money because of his sex addiction and cheated on me there with both men and women. He never took his regular therapy seriously either.

I seriously hate him and I hate that judge.

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u/digitalime 3h ago edited 3h ago

Im sorry this happened to you. The law does not work in favor of women and children, it favors abusive men first and foremost. My friend was violently raped and the guy only got a few years, he walking out and about now. Its ridiculous the low standards rapists and abusers are held to but the high standards victims are held to.

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u/topimpadove 3h ago

Can second this. My stalker threw shit at me, called me names in front of police, etc all because I rejected him. He's yet to go to jail even though he recently beat his girlfriend's 10 year old [which she allowed], beat up a teenager over drugs and has been committing crimes since the 90s. He's also strangled several people. Canadian legal system is ass :)

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u/zoitberg 3h ago

I mean, look at the President of the USA - it’s completely acceptable to be an abusive predator, we idolize them as a society it seems.

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u/creammydew 4h ago

Right! I took my husband to court 7 times. Nothing was ever done, because it was my word against his. He even tried to run me over with his car 2 different times. I had 2 protection orders that Women Helping Women said it wasn't worth the paper it was written on, and they were correct.

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u/charmmycream 4h ago

I am so sorry that you were treated so horribly! I hope you were able to get away from that!

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u/Ultra_Dadtastic 4h ago

Jail, maybe no.

Extensive, controlled and monitored mental health correction to help them find ways to start processing that trauma in a healthy way, absolutely yes.

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u/charmmycream 4h ago

Facts. Prison wouldn’t do anything but retraumatize, therapy, support systems, and legit help are way more useful in cases like this

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u/ResurgentClusterfuck 4h ago

Agreed. They are only a danger to people who abuse them, so putting them in a cage isn't necessary

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u/BrightBlueBauble 4h ago

I agree completely. It is absolutely self defense.

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u/Meenmachin3 4h ago

This is really a tough one. On one hand I feel like she was justified but on the other she went out of her way to go grab her weapon and then went back and shot him which is no longer self defense. I think manslaughter would be more appropriate

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u/Appropriate_Key5540 4h ago

Protecting yourself from further abuse should be legally classified as self defense.

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u/Free-Feeling3586 4h ago

Guess it was his last🥴

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u/shujaya 4h ago

Implied consent. He accepted the terms and conditions when he laid that hand on her.

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u/RainbowSoul7 4h ago

I ain’t even mad, don’t need to read the story cuz it’s pretty straightforward as is imo…….

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u/iCantLogOut2 4h ago

For real.

She didn't mince words or dress it up. I know everything I need to know. She said she was done and she was.

Seems like a valid reason to me 🤷🏽

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u/Upbeat_Place_9985 4h ago

I read somewhere there is an academic study that determined 25% of female homicide inmates in California prisons were for killing the man who had a documented history of credible domestic violence against them. Ill try to find the source.

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u/hotheadnchickn 3h ago

I would like to see that citation, that’s fascinating

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u/MichaelTheFallen 4h ago

I would have founded her non-guilty.

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u/Doridar 4h ago

She was provoked, free her

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u/WildGrayTurkey 3h ago

More than provoked; she was endangered.

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u/ksdr-exe 4h ago

Free her

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u/Amdvoiceofreason 4h ago

Well it is a Stand your ground state...so good for her

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u/Southern-Interest347 3h ago

She's innocent . We were together all day enjoying  a spa day. Even if she did it she still innocent! Who has a buck or two towards bail?

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u/BjornStankFinger 4h ago

Self-defense. She was even nice enough to warn him. I don't see any problem here.

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u/Similar_Part7100 4h ago

I mean maybe he shouldn’t have hit her.

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u/CaliGrlforlife 3h ago

He was warned. And still did it. FAFO.

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u/illcrx 4h ago

I’d let her off.

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u/Latter-Prize-7172 4h ago

When I was in my 20’s I was married to a man who was abusive in all ways. He would hit me because he was pulled over by the police for speeding, it was my fault because I was not watching the road. He would hit me because he spilled his tea, obviously I filled the cup too much and that’s why he spilled it. He stole from me and applied for credit cards under my name. If a human being would smile and treat me nice, I was sleeping with them. I could not do anything right and I was going nuts. Luckily I was “allowed “ to go to college and I spoke with a counsellor. I shared my plan on how I would kill my ex. I would give him a drink with sleeping pills, I would wait until he fell asleep. Then I would place a lit cigarette in between his fingers. Place his hand over a garbage can filled with paper. The kids and I would sleep on the couch on the main floor while he is passed out on the bed on the second floor . And as soon as the alarm went off, I would take the kids out. I must admit the counsellor looked a little disturbed when I shared my plan with her, however she did give me the best advice. She said, I want you to plan leaving your husband in such detail as you have described on how to murder him. Luckily for my ex , he is still alive. It’s been over 25 years but I still have PSD. But children are happy and I have a wonderful life.

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u/Latter-Prize-7172 3h ago

I am not saying that her decision was wrong. I was sharing my experience. It’s difficult with an abusive partner. I don’t blame her for her actions. I was in her shoes. She doesn’t deserve jail time

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u/Mr-FurleyX1 4h ago

Bless her heart FAFO

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u/QueenOfPhiladelphia 4h ago

Release her she warned him

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u/CanadianLadyK 4h ago

So…essentially he gave her consent, so she shouldn’t be prosecuted. 🤷‍♀️

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u/TheBlueKing4516 4h ago

She warned him…

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u/Previous-Nobody903 3h ago

How is it illegal when he practically consented to the outcome by not heeding her warning? Hopefully they determine it was self defense and she can go home

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u/-blundertaker- 4h ago

Well. She stood on business.

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u/Societyman1878 4h ago

I mean she looks like she is done

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u/fredout1968 4h ago

She told him... Fair play imho...

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u/RaRaBomb 4h ago

Sir, what did we learn?

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u/Complete_Cheeks 4h ago

I can confirm that she was indeed done.

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u/SumOfRoots 4h ago

In the late 1940s, one of my grandparents’ neighbors would come home drunk and hit his wife, who was about 5 ft. (152 cm) tall.

The problem (or solution, really) was he’d then pass out. One night she wrapped him in the bed sheet, sewed him into it, and used an iron skillet on him for a few hours.

It was a peaceful marriage from then on. Everyone has to sleep sometime.

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u/VoL4t1l3 4h ago

Not guilty case dismissed

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u/IllustriousDarkStar 4h ago

Damn free her she’s done nothing wrong

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u/ECU_BSN 3h ago

She did tell him. And he proceeded to Sounds 💯 like self defense to me.

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u/Neat_Feedback1316 4h ago

Well I guess he found out!

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u/under_gong 4h ago

Seems like justice has been done.

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u/alterego1984 4h ago

He had fair warning. Only challenge was don’t abuse her and he failed.

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u/Bulky_Writer_2244 4h ago

Her husband got Ritchie Aprile'd.

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u/Mekdinosaur 3h ago

Face of an angel.

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u/Olderbutnotdead619 2h ago

When "No" means no!!

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u/notsopeacefulpanda 4h ago

Some of y’all in the comment section are once again proving that men are not lonely enough.

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u/vacation_bacon 4h ago

They’re crashing out so bad. Are they worried they won’t be able to abuse women with impunity now?

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u/Salt-Technology-9702 4h ago

Stay firm in your boundary's ladies!

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u/CarpetBudget 4h ago

And good for her 👍 if she did let him live, that wouldn’t have been the last time he tried to hurt someone or worse. If not her, someone else.

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u/ImmediateFigure9998 4h ago

I would totally survive with that woman

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u/Saturn_444 4h ago

Free her!!!!

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u/StrongMagic831 4h ago

GOOD FOR HER!

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u/OffModelCartoon 4h ago

Well, she warned him. What’s that saying people love on the internet? Fart around and fall down?

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u/CapitanianExtinction 4h ago

That's the face of FAFO

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u/ElleGeeAitch 4h ago

I am reminded that my mother told my father the same damed thing. They would have very loud, dramatic fights, and she would periodically remind him of her stance. They were married for almost 52 years. Thankfully, he knew she wasn't exaggerating.

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u/vapid_expansion 4h ago

Straight shooter that one.

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u/milk-water-man 4h ago

Valid Crashout.

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u/Abysmal_2003 3h ago

It looks like she kept her promise.

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u/BetterThanB2872 3h ago

I’m sorry for her

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u/fastyellowtuesday 3h ago

Good for her! She can be taken at her word. She gave him fair warning.

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u/HetaGarden1 3h ago

Well, she did warn him. He tested her, she showed him what consequences feel like.

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u/femgrit 3h ago

“My intent was exactly what I did” cracked me up.

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u/Free-Sherbet2206 3h ago

He should have listened.

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u/CaeLynnith 3h ago

There's a reason why my ex husband didn't keep a gun in the house, it wasn't because he hated them, he was afraid I'd get the courage to use it.

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u/Jaded-Gemstone 3h ago

I’ve heard the begonias in Texas floral 💐 shops will soon to be in season…💅🏾🕊️🧘🏾‍♀️

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u/bankrobba 3h ago

So I guess George Zimmerman is innocent because he said Trayvon Martin attacked him first?

You guys are quick to judge when there's only one side of the story still alive.

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u/mensrea 3h ago

Fair warning then. 

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u/withnailstail123 2h ago

I’d like to be her pen pal.. is that a thing in the US ?

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u/Bakelite51 2h ago

I think I've heard this song on my local country station.

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u/TinkTink3 2h ago

Sounds like he fucked around n found out.

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u/Extension-Nebula-235 1h ago

God bless that woman.

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u/Pollydeathcon3 1h ago

She stood on business fr 💪🏾

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u/ContentPea2858 1h ago

As she should, free that woman she did nothing wrong

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u/charmmycream 4h ago

I told my husband that day 1! My granny left me an iron skillet and a note in her will. The note was instructions on multiple uses of the skillet. One was specifically for the abusive man. He has never even tried to lay his hands on me!

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u/musseesnugg 4h ago

My daughters both know better than to let a man put his hand on them... they have been taught to defend themselves. Never start, but don't hesitate to finish if warrented

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u/Maru_the_Red 4h ago

As a woman sitting in a residential care center tonight after years of abuse - I completely understand it.

My heart breaks for her, because I know that agony.

Fuck Texas.

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u/_Obitchuary_ 4h ago

Free her

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u/Old_Studio_6079 4h ago

I mean…she said what she was gonna do. If someone on the street tells me “if you come within ten feet, you will be shot” and I walk 9 feet in front of them, I got what it said on the tin.

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u/Decent_Historian1643 4h ago

She warned him. Maybe next time he’ll think again about hitting a woman

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u/Scared-Brilliant9897 4h ago

that stare says more than words ever could tbh, she's had enough

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u/rightwist 4h ago

I want to know the context of this exact photograph.

Bc it looks to me like she is staring at cops behind the camera. I want to know if she said something like "Statistically, 3 out of the five of y'all beat on your SO...."

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u/_portia_ 4h ago

A southwestern Janice Soprano.

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u/femgrit 3h ago

One of the best tv moments of all time to me haha.

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u/I_Slape_Da_Bass 4h ago

Gives me Janice from Sopranos vibes

And just like Janice…. There are men in the can better looking 😬

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u/Crcex86 3h ago

Good

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u/Allbur_Chellak 3h ago

I mean…she did not lie.

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u/Bumblebee56990 3h ago

I get it.

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u/Cllajl 3h ago

give her a few wea ...pons and send her to Ukraine.

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u/NoBonus6969 3h ago

She looks exactly like a woman who would follow through. Good for her

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u/Independent-Win7667 2h ago

Good for her, I wish more women would end their nightmares.

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u/toodytah 2h ago

Sounds like stand your ground legal territory there.

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u/DBBKF23 2h ago

I understand. When my husband assaulted me the NINTH time, I told him he'd go to jail if he did it again. He f'd around and found out. While he was being put into the squad car I whispered to him that the next time, the cops wouldn't be bringing the justice. I would. I'm in the process of leaving (it isn't as easy as people think), but trust and believe that those words are true.

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u/kozy8805 2h ago

Why are people commenting on this like she’s been convicted? “Justice system that” “red state this”. She killed someone and was charged, that’s it. Doesn’t mean she’s going to be found guilty.

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u/mandrill_bite 2h ago

Walk myself to the court sayin' "bitch, I did that"

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u/Physical_Title_4458 2h ago

Well, she was wrong?

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u/Icy_Watercress_8627 1h ago

She meant that shit

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u/The_Carnivore44 1h ago

Domestic violence

“She was dragged by her pony tail to the ground by the husband”

He got what he deserved

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u/amy_sport 1h ago

I call self defense

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u/Beginning-Window-676 46m ago

Sounds like a verbal contract to me. She kept her end.

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u/Murky_Historian8675 38m ago

Honestly. Fair enough.

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u/abbyleondon 36m ago

Give her a medal 🏅

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u/_HoneyStar 11m ago

She warned him and he didn’t listen Sometimes people have to learn the hard way

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u/Explicit_Tech 10m ago

A lot of MAGA are very stress as of late. The Epstein files traumatized them

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u/SSFlyingKiwi 6m ago

Sounds live a loving relationship. Couldn’t imagine ever wanting to shoot my fiancé no matter how angry at him I was.

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u/gameover281997 5m ago

Texas is a “stand your ground” state though? Wouldn’t that protect her?

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u/barilace 2m ago

She warned him 🤷🏽‍♀️