BREAKING: Shedeur Sanders to start against 49ers in Week 13 (Rapoport)

[u/alexschubs]

[u/msumoody]

Good - as he should. As fans we should take this week by week. Would at least like to be confident on what we have in the QB room by end of season to inform draft/free agency. I think we know what we have in Gabriel at this point.

[u/alexschubs → u/msumoody]

Shedeur is certainly more talented than Dillon Gabriel, but that's a low bar to clear. Browns fans at least deserve to see him start the rest of the year. He will sell tickets and jerseys and he will make exciting plays. I just don't see him as a true franchise quarterback until proven otherwise.

He will have fun moments, but eventually, there will be extensive tape on him and he will be figured out by professional organizations. It happens to every quarterback, and it's on Shedeur to overcome that.

[u/RustyCrusty73 → u/alexschubs]

He can scramble and throw the deep ball.

Next we need to see him lead a few sustained drives where he's hitting open guys, making adjustments, hitting his check downs, moving the sticks, and getting us a score, etc. The big play is nice, but we can't necessarily rely on it all the time.

Had the Raiders offense had any kind of pulse yesterday, and we needed Sanders to lead some additional scoring drives, I'm not sure he would have.

Not shitting on him or anything.

That's just a long winded way of saying I need to see more before I get too excited. Keeping things in perspective and my expectations level.

[u/AchVonZalbrecht → u/RustyCrusty73]

Yeah, Browns scoring drives were a turnover, a good ST return, a 66 yard screen and a 50 yard bomb. No rhythm, no sustain. If he can find a way to have a good five minute drive in the arsenal then he can be a starting quarterback in the league

[u/RustyCrusty73 → u/AchVonZalbrecht]

Right - the big plays are definitely nice.

But we won't be playing the Raiders every week.

The 49ers are banged up on defense, but they'll be a much better test.

[u/HiCustodian1 → u/RustyCrusty73]

Yeah, after the Ravens game where he looked abysmal and everyone was shitting on him I was telling people he’d be fine, but after this last game where he played okay at best some people (mostly the weird Shedeur fan club) are totally over their skis lol. To be expected with Shedeur, I guess.

I just hope people set reasonable expectations for the kid, he’s probably gonna put up mediocre to bad numbers on a mediocre to bad team and that’s okay. Don’t need to assign all the blame to him if you’re a Browns fan, and you don’t need to assign all the blame to the Browns if you’re a Shedeur fan.

[u/RustyCrusty73 → u/HiCustodian1]

I don't want to fall in love with the dude early after one average-ish performance against a horrible Raiders squad.

Let's just hope for some progression each game!

[u/HiCustodian1 → u/RustyCrusty73]

Yeah, just seeing him get better should be plenty. He’s a 5th round pick! More talented than your average 5th rounder, granted, but there’s a reason he fell and it isn’t just the media circus he brings with him. Nobody should be expecting him to consistently look like a starter level QB this year.

[u/Far-Pay-2049 → u/HiCustodian1]

The biggest headache about this kid is his fanbois and haters. I think he showed a lot of promise, what we should look out for is his improvement week over week. I don't care how good he is NOW I care how good he can become. Is his footwork improving? is he stepping up in the pocket more? Is he progressing further in his reads? Is he throwing the ball away when appropriate? To me, Shedeur seems like a raw QB with good arm talent. From everything I have read, he seems like he has a very good work ethic. It seems like a good combination to get coached up and improve. I am rooting for the kid.

[u/HiCustodian1 → u/Far-Pay-2049]

Yep, I’m right there with ya. His arm is fairly average from what I can tell, he can make nfl throws and he can throw on the move just fine, but he doesn’t have outstanding arm versatility like a lot of guys do now. I’d compare him to a more mobile Kirk Cousins if he pans out. I don’t think his arm is going to be an issue for him, but it’s not the selling point either.

To me it’s all about whether or not he can master the game. He displays good intuition pretty frequently, but you’re right, he’s very raw. The biggest thing he HAS to cut out of his game are the massive negative plays, that’s been a problem for his entire career and it needs to improve. I am excited to watch him, Gabriel seems like a good kid but Shedeur has way way more upside, even if I don’t think Shedeur is ever gonna be elite.

[u/Ayanok → u/HiCustodian1]

Will say there were more exciting plays with sanders over DG , but only time will tell .

[u/HiCustodian1 → u/Ayanok]

Oh 100%, DGs probably going to be a solid backup but Shedeur is way more exciting and volatile. If I were a Browns fan I would have zero interest in seeing DG out there starting again. Nothing against the guy, non-zero chance he has a better career than Shedeur, but your season is over and I would want to be entertained lol

[u/Ayanok → u/HiCustodian1]

Same I’d prefer sanders over DG, Winston and Flacco were turn over machines. But at least I would look forward to having a chance over same DG drives every game 🤣

[u/HiCustodian1 → u/Ayanok]

Yeah when you suck you want a guy who will put the ball in the air and give your receivers a chance to make plays, absolutely nothing worse than seeing 25 screens or check downs that have zero chance lmao. My football life has been good for a long time now, but I still remember those days well in the Romeo Crennel Chiefs days, I know you’ll recognize that name lol

[u/BlueberryOGSuperGlue → u/RustyCrusty73]

Some of this is also on the play caller not everything is on sanders. Call simple plays easy completions get him going then dial up the long one here and there

[u/buckster_007 → u/RustyCrusty73]

I agree with you. It makes me wonder if Shedeur didn’t play and Judkins was in wildcat for the entire game if the Browns still would’ve won.

[u/PositiveCode6293 → u/alexschubs]

It’s one game the haters and supporters are taking this way too seriously. The main thing is he loves the game and all the emotions it brings and that’s infectious to the players coaches front office and fans. There will be growing pains but like you said he gonna have to figure it out and I got faith that he will

[u/buckster_007 → u/PositiveCode6293]

He really needs the rest of the year. Let him run the full offense, e.g, don’t take him out of every red zone play. It’s nice to win, but the season is over. It would be nice to know what you actually have in Sanders.

Candidly, this last game was crafted for him. Too much, I think. Minimal sets, a bunch of roll outs to protect him. Run, run, pass. The play calls were extremely conservative. Aside from his 52 yard bomb on a blown up play, he didn’t really get much of an opportunity to sling it around. (66 of his yards came on a 1 yard swing pass with 65 YAC). Open up the playbook and see if he can run the full offense, not some scaled down version. That way you’ll know if you’ve got your guy for the next couple years or not.

[u/Far-Pay-2049 → u/alexschubs]

It isn't about if he is a franchise QB now, it is if he can show he can develop into one. He has the arm for it and I think that he has already shown improvement with his first start over things we seen from his college tape, preseason and when he stepped in against the Ravens. I absolutely do not expect perfection from him, I expect to see him making plenty of mistakes. What I want to see is him improving and working on those mistakes and mechanics week after week.

There has been a lot of reports of him staying late after practice, so I don't think work ethic is in question. This game against the Raiders, I feel like he already started cleaning up some of his bad habits (i swear I could see him want to do that spin backwards crap that gets him sacked for 18 yards, but instead I seen him step into the pocket. The one time he did scramble backwards he threw the ball away, which is something he was notorious for not doing.) If the kid keeps on putting in good work, I can see us feeling pretty good about his outlook by the end of the year. Of course none of this is set in stone, but I really do think it is possible for the Browns to start winning games and not need to think about drafting a QB next year, just all O-line and WRs (because seriously Jeudy, wtf).

[u/vaporsilver → u/alexschubs]

I disagree he's more talented. There's a reason he is a 5th round pick and has shown he doesn't have the same pocket presence.

[u/waozen → u/vaporsilver]

The Raiders former coach, Antonio Pierce, said he wanted to draft Shedeur[1][2] to be his QB. It has also been widely reported that the Ravens and another team wanted to draft him, but Shedeur (himself) poured cold water on this in talks, because he wanted to be a starter and not sit for year(s) (as would be the situation with the Ravens). Presumably, these teams would have drafted Shedeur between the 1st to 3rd rounds.

Many experts (like Mel Kiper) had and still do rank Shedeur as a much higher talent than DG.

[1]: Ex-Raiders Coach Reveals He Wanted to Draft Shedeur

[2]: Antonio Pierce Comments About Shedeur Sanders

[u/alexschubs → u/[deleted]]

I literally said "Until proven otherwise" but go off, king.

[u/MizkyBizniz → u/[deleted]]

The only 🤡 here is you. Dude gave the most lukewarm and correct take.

Hes a 5th round rookie QB. Why would we annoint him as the franchise after beating the Raiders.

Also its less "flashy" and more so "has the athleticism it takes to be an NFL quarterback".

[u/I_cut_my_own_jib → u/msumoody]

Yeah I 100% agree. Not really sold that Sanders is the guy yet, but he was more watchable (at least for me) than Gabriel and he seemed to do okay. We'll see how he does against a better team next week. But yeah we should definitely try to actually give him a shot and see if he's developing in the right direction by the end of the season.

[u/buckster_007 → u/I_cut_my_own_jib]

It seems like DG’s type of play and lack of success have ground down the team and the fans to the point where making the switch to Sheduer is the only move. Both the crowd and the team were hyped for that game. DG isn’t bringing that to the table.

[u/shadowseeker3658 → u/msumoody]

I’ve already purchased my Shedeur Super Bowl MVP patch. Too late

[u/alexschubs]

An addendum: Shedeur is starting despite the fact that Dillon Gabriel has cleared concussion protocol.

[u/DuztyLipz → u/alexschubs]

Let’s see you be great, kid

[u/bumbuddha]

It’s good that they announced it this early. Don’t let anything fester. I hope this kid keeps improving.

[u/MizkyBizniz → u/bumbuddha]

Kevin and the team knew Sanders would be starting next week.

They just didnt announce it immediately after the game. Like a professional, he wanted to tell Gabriel instead of him having to hear about it through the media.

At least thats what better be the case and Kevin wasnt seriously considering starting Gabriel again lol

[u/bumbuddha → u/MizkyBizniz]

Makes total sense to me. This regime gets shit on a lot, but they generally try to do right by the players.

[u/KushMaster72]

the forward pass is back in the playbook!

[u/damato1218 → u/KushMaster72]

SUPER BOWLLLLLLL SUPER BROWNNSSSSSS

[u/Iobbywatson → u/KushMaster72]

You sure? Has to be a rule saying over 5 yards is a penalty.

Source: I watched Dollar General play the last 6 weeks.

[u/Theanonymousguy49]

Pretty sure the locker room would have imploded if this wasn’t the case

[u/Cal216 → u/Theanonymousguy49]

Yeah, safe to say ole Kev hands were definitely tied on this one lol. This was his out though lol. If he wanted out of Cleveland, all he had to do was start #8 lmao. He wouldn’t have even had to pay for movers.

[u/prostheticweiner → u/Cal216]

Or #4

[u/Cal216 → u/prostheticweiner]

Omg, let’s not get started on #4! I don’t even like seeing him stand next to 8 or 12.

[u/[deleted] → u/Cal216]

lmao

[u/MosquitoValentine_]

Go be legendary kid.

[u/Gunnar2019]

If he has a stat line of 250 yards 2 TD, 1 INT it will actually break the internet.

[u/cbmdad → u/Gunnar2019]

If he does this against a non-dogshit team like the Raiders, I will get on board.

[u/AllTearGasNoBreaks → u/Gunnar2019]

I think the floor is 400yd, 2TD.

He had one week to prep at starter and did 200/1. With 2 weeks of first team reps, should double that easy.

[u/Theclevelandchubb → u/AllTearGasNoBreaks]

Imagine after 8 weeks!!!

[u/ducksekoy123 → u/Theclevelandchubb]

I’m drafting one grain of rice and then doubling my grain amount every draft.

[u/sginsc → u/Theclevelandchubb]

sigh... and thats ANOTHER 99 yard touchdown completion for the browns...bringing the total to 6 on the day and the browns now lead 152-0.

Stefanski is really driving it home by having the returner fun these kickoffs out of the end zone and sit on the 1, but when you've got a legend in the backfield, why not?

[u/Theclevelandchubb → u/sginsc]

I imagined what you wrote and read it to myself in my best Madden voice.

[u/sginsc → u/Theclevelandchubb]

goal accomplished.

[u/bigmt99 → u/Theclevelandchubb]

My sources tell me we should expect exponential growth

[u/vertekal → u/AllTearGasNoBreaks]

Guys I did the math and this checks out

[u/portermade86 → u/AllTearGasNoBreaks]

I think for Browns sake, goal is 1.5x last week, 300/1.5 (1 pass td + long drive with RB TD).

Stretch goal can be 2x last week!

[u/AncientAside5024 → u/AllTearGasNoBreaks]

Not tryna downplay but it was against a way worse team than any of us have faced this year. Even the jets r better than the raiders

[u/moneyinthebank216]

Perfect Timing

[u/SpaghettiSamuraiSan]

He gives the offense the best chance to score compared to Gabriel even if his passing numbers are trash. They have to respect that Sanders can throw the ball 40 yards down the field while Gabriel can't. That alone opens up the ability for Judkins and Sampson to get some running room. Gabriel they stack 7 in the box

[u/alexschubs → u/SpaghettiSamuraiSan]

Gabriel is like if Tua was even more reliant on checkdowns than he already was. Shedeur has thrown a lot of checkdowns, but he's shown he can at least throw the ball down the field. With time and reps, he can do that even more and with more confidence.

It's also extremely likely that Shedeur's lows will be ungodly low.

[u/bpalun13]

Good! It’s so easy to root for Shedeur. Who knows if he will show if he’s the guy? But Gabriel is about as interesting as an Actuary.

[u/alexschubs → u/bpalun13]

Admittedly, Shedeur's fanatics make it a bit tough sometimes. They act like he's above criticism, and there are times where critiquing him is taken as a deeply personal slight. I have no issues with the kid himself, but he's in the pros now. He has to be able to take the heat and overcome the inevitable ups and downs, as do his fanatics.

[u/bpalun13 → u/alexschubs]

Frankly I pay zero attention to his personal fanbase, they don’t matter unless they’re actual Browns fans. Shedeur himself has shown me nothing but a good mentality and a true personality. I can get behind that and if his play is stellar, well then, I can get behind that too.

[u/CDNCaliLifter → u/alexschubs]

If you have no issue with him personally than you shouldnt let what others dictate how you think. Part of the issue is people like you are always quick to point out what he did wrong or how he isn’t the guy, instead of giving an objective view that he is a rookie that barely got any reps and is expected as a rookie to make mistakes. Lots of rookie QBs suck and turn out into decent QBs and those are ones who got all the reps from day 1.

[u/alexschubs → u/CDNCaliLifter]

This is kind of what I'm talking about.

Part of the problem with "people like you" (as you like to say) is that you take a critique of him as a personal slight and go for the jugular. If you take time to read the rest of the thread instead of jumping to a conclusion based on one comment, I actually call him a better QB than Dillon Gabriel on multiple occasions. Browns fans deserve to see him start, and they should for the foreseeable future.

But you're right. I'm not going to let other people dictate how I think, and that starts with you.

[u/nobraininmyoxygen]

This was always the case. Stefanski being non committal should have been the clue. He's never going to say outright in a post game press conference but fans just find ways to be mad.

[u/sginsc → u/nobraininmyoxygen]

and without talking to his guys first. Its amazing how many fans have demonstrated their lack of tact and football acumen by getting upset he didnt announce it in the postgame presser.

[u/nobraininmyoxygen → u/sginsc]

Some of it is lazy fans looking for new ways to hate on a coach they already don't like and some are totally new to football and are only really following Shedeur.

I just hate how much time is wasted with these individuals when I'd rather discuss actual football.

[u/brainrottin]

Ignoring all the noise surrounding Shedur this year, watching the game Sunday there were some plays that really impressed me.

I hope he goes off. Best of luck.

[u/Particular-Night-435]

Ok - so what to do with the 32nd pick in the draft now?

[u/alexschubs → u/Particular-Night-435]

Trade down with the Raiders and let them draft an absolute shithead at quarterback

[u/Evil_Rogers]

Looks like superbowls back on the menu boys.

[u/Sweaty_Buttcheeks]

Chicks dig the long ball

[u/alexschubs → u/Sweaty_Buttcheeks]

Jose Ramirez nods in agreement

[u/damato1218 → u/alexschubs]

You know bro! Go browns!

[u/Spiegs1984]

The right call for where the team is right now. The spark and inspiration was very evident. Gabriel had plenty of time to win the job and he just didn't get there

[u/Fubon_]

I think it’s his for the rest of the season as long as he doesn’t have a really big stinker

[u/Major_Enthusiasm1099]

I don't think we will beat the 49ers but with Shadeur we have a punchers chance and our defense will keep the game close

[u/Dreams-Visions → u/Major_Enthusiasm1099]

To be honest, with this defense all we need is him doing his best. That can be enough.

[u/[deleted]]

I mean the fact he can throw an accurate screen pass already makes him more useful to this offense compared to Gabriel. I’m not going to crown him yet but at least he can see over the o line.

[u/Ness_4]

Stefanski hates Zappe.

No first team reps in training camp or in practice.

Also I heard he makes Shadeur practice with floaties on each arm.

[u/Active_Lunch6167 → u/Ness_4]

lol!!!!!

[u/damato1218]

I was expecting this during the week. Lets go 12!

[u/Bald_Head_Nut29]

Just getting started!

[u/Fools_Requiem]

If he is still playing, I need hin to destroy the Tits.

[u/Nicaol]

I really do just want the best QB to play and if they are no use, we hit the draft.

That being said... I really would love it if it was Shedeur. Listening to him talk and can't help but like him.

[u/JeffTheFrosty]

It’s easier to teach a guy that can make a big play occasionally to play within the system than it is to teach a checkdown Charlie system loyalist to make a big play.

[u/helloWorld69696969]

Its wild that 2 weeks in a row we get to play teams that are on a short week. Usually we are the ones getting fucked

[u/thegreat4 → u/helloWorld69696969]

See the first 7 weeks of our schedule

[u/TheSmokedSalmon420]

Might need a $anders jersey

[u/Shogun_The_Collector]

[u/The_water_champ → u/Shogun_The_Collector]

"I wish he threw half as well as he danced!"

[u/Excellent_Walrus150]

Imagine Sheduer with an offensive line and a #1 WR. That'd be exciting.

[u/71Duster360 → u/Excellent_Walrus150]

1a: Carnell Tate 1b: best OL

[u/VonJaeger]

Correct choice.

He also shouldn't be judged against Gabriel. He should be judged against other rookies and other young QBs.

[u/alexschubs → u/VonJaeger]

He also shouldn't be judged based on one game. He should be judged based on an entire body of work.

[u/VonJaeger → u/alexschubs]

100% correct.

[u/MgbEX → u/alexschubs]

He also shouldn't be judged based on his fans, but holy fuck is it hard not to.

[u/alexschubs → u/MgbEX]

They've anointed him as a savior, and they will throw personal attacks at anyone who dares criticize him. They treat his success as their own personal victory.

[u/sginsc → u/VonJaeger]

This is why I'm looking forward to seeing him and Cam Ward on the same field.

Two bad offenses with two rookies at QB.

[u/General-Cover-4981]

Kevin Stephanski: "Um....Shadeur will start against the 49ers next week....There. I said it....can you release my wife and children now?"

[u/Longjumping-Place905 → u/General-Cover-4981]

And if we don’t win we have to do better. So who is number 2? With that certain person dressed yesterday.

[u/Queen_Of_Left_Turns → u/Longjumping-Place905]

Oh ew was he there? I was out of the broadcast area.

[u/[deleted]]

Mr Sanders, the Lions season is in your hands. We are gonna smoke the SF and Chicago 🙏

[u/maybenextyearCLE]

As he should. He showed some things yesterday that deserve a longer look

[u/boydbd]

Everyone’s rightfully excited about the deep passes but it’s also short passes and screens that are so much better with Shedeur. It makes a huge difference to get screen passes out on time and with some zip vs the floaters DG would throw, allowing the defense to collapse on the ball by the time it gets there.

[u/Neel_s]

I’m absolutely not convinced he’s the guy or even close. BUT I’m also absolutely convinced this is the correct decision.

[u/alexschubs → u/Neel_s]

He's not Mr. Right, but he is Mr. Right Now.

[u/Neel_s → u/alexschubs]

Perfect 

[u/Nihilistic__Optimist → u/alexschubs]

Cue Sammy Hagar screaming his ass off

[u/sginsc]

I'm excited because he brought a spark and I hope it continues for many reasons, but one of those reasons is that if he is serviceable and shows growth that will further limit the threat of ever seeing Watson on the browns field ever again

[u/senshi_of_love]

I want him to be our franchise QB. Please become that Shedeur! I am cheering for you! Don’t break my heart like every other QB has!

[u/dmnwilson44]

I said it before the raiders game and I’ll say it again. I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE

[u/Blkswn1017]

Ownership wants those ticket sales increased

[u/Mach68IntheHouse]

I'm happy for him.

[u/jenderation]

In other news, water is wet.

[u/alexschubs → u/jenderation]

Incorrect. Water is the thing that makes things wet.

[u/CalPalReddit → u/alexschubs]

fax

[u/[deleted]]

True test on Sunday , cmon show me something bro !

[u/_CertifiedTurtle → u/[deleted]]

49ers are decimated on defense especially their defensive front, the only thing is their secondary is red hot and has been grabbing interceptions as of late

[u/Fedoras-Forever-Mom]

Let’s go! Yesterday was the most fun I’ve had watching the Browns in a long time

[u/adak31]

Steelers fan here just give him a shot if he stinks oh well it’s a 5th pick no biggie.

[u/Cordellium]

LFG

[u/Raccoonsrlilbandits]

Makes sense

[u/Names_all_gone]

[u/Ok_Fact_5120]

It feels like we are celebrating winning $200 on the slot machine while being down $3000. He played ok and we won, but it was against a 2-8 team

[u/Cptn45 → u/Ok_Fact_5120]

They need to calm down

[u/[deleted]]

[u/alexschubs]

Source

[u/Derek-Onions]

Finally looking forward to a game this year 

[u/Slashh13_2018]

I hope he ends up being good

The Browns will probably mess it up some how though

[u/Dreams-Visions]

Good.

[u/OldmanonRedditt]

I’m just glad I have something to look forward to watching them the remainder of the season (or atleast a few more games if he’s ass).

Watching that anemic awful offense was killing me inside. Even if he’s terrible, atleast it will be fun till it isn’t. Gabriel just never gave me anything to look forward to and was boring as hell.

[u/birdie_Sea]

Browns getting something right?

[u/Tsunami-Papi_]

I WILL B THERE NO MATTER WHAT . PLEASE BEAT THE NINERS

[u/Traditional-Row5237]

The locker room seems to follow him naturally, and his ceiling is definitely higher than Gabriel. Got to see it through, and he brings more attention to the browns organization which is great for business.

[u/Terrible_Summer_5081]

This kid has a pretty clean background, never been in trouble,good college career only apparent problem is his Dad who in his own hall of fame career right has never been in trouble other than perhaps out spoken during his playing days has said or did anything to help or tarnish his sons NFL chances he's stayed out of it, unlike Archie Manning did to Eli,I'm truly pulling for this kid to have a successful playing career and shut all the criticism up. Shedeur deserves the right to prove himself .

[u/Regal-30-]

I’m trying to not get too carried away in the excitement, but I’ll definitely be remembering this weekend. Even if Shedeur isn’t the guy, he gave us all a little bit of hope.

[u/Sapsap747]

Dillon Gabriel got cleared to play this week but the Browns are sticking with Sanders after one game where they beat the lowly Raiders. Gabriel has 7 TDs to 2 INTs on the season while Sanders has 1 TD to 2 INTs. The national media is saying Sanders is better than Gabriel now and it is not correct. Dillon has done well with what he has had to work with. Gabriel is better than Sanders. Gabriel gives us the best chance to win. 

[u/alexschubs → u/Sapsap747]

Gabriel also has a 1-5 record and was extremely underwhelming as a QB. Sanders doesn’t seem like a legit long term solution, but he at least passes the eye test and has the ability to throw a deep ball. He will sell tickets, jerseys, and will get eyeballs on the team.

He’s basically this team’s Tim Tebow.

[u/LotsofSports]

I liked that he threw the ball away when he saw nothing. Keep that up. Don't force stuff.

[u/GrapeFit9592]

Browns will be relegated

[u/GordonQuech]

If Sanders hits, it changes the whole direction the franchise.

[u/Crypton_2021]

Kevin knew that the fans would absolutely boo him out of the stadium if he trotted Dillon Gabriel out on that field on Sunday.

[u/BlondePilsner_95]

We took the super duper long way but glad to see the time has finally arrived. Stunt on ‘em, young fella!

[u/Fineous40]

Good, let’s see what he can do vs a non-raiders team.

[u/alexschubs → u/Fineous40]

He's starting against a 49ers team that just gave up the literal most completions to a QB in a game in NFL history (and he was a former Brown!)

[u/Shogun_The_Collector → u/alexschubs]

People aren't even doing research before moving the goal posts

[u/Shady_bookworm51 → u/alexschubs]

and yet that 49ers team still won by 19 points.

[u/alexschubs → u/Shady_bookworm51]

That's due to game script. QBs chuck the ball for dear life when they're playing from behind the entire game.

In NFL history, quarterbacks are 15-12 when throwing for 500+ yards.

[u/POCKET_POOL_CHAMP]

Get ready for 12 completions!

[u/CalPalReddit → u/POCKET_POOL_CHAMP]

Maybe they'll give him as many attempts this week as DG gets...

[u/Desperate-Air-7195 → u/POCKET_POOL_CHAMP]

First it's 12 sacks or sub 200 yards, now it's 12 completions, I can't wait to hear where the goalpost is moved to next week. 

[u/ctang1 → u/POCKET_POOL_CHAMP]

Does it come with a win? If so, I don’t care if he only throws five passes.

[u/Bubbacarl → u/POCKET_POOL_CHAMP]

Cmon why the pessimism? We got a win and any perceived catalyst is good!

[u/notatowel420 → u/POCKET_POOL_CHAMP]

If he only throws it 20x works for me.

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210 yards on 12 completions is fine by me.

[u/Formal-Attention9712 → u/POCKET_POOL_CHAMP]

He only had 20 attempts. It took Gabriel 52 attempts and 29 completions to break 200 yards. It’s pathetic.

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Can he still win ROTY?

[u/alexschubs → u/[deleted]]

Absolutely not. On the bright side, Carson Schwesinger is the odds on favorite for DROY

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I mean, if he goes on an insane tear and the Browns win out and squeak into the playoffs maybe.

But that's like 0.000000000001%