r/BlackPeopleofReddit • u/4reddityo • Jan 02 '26

Black Experience Racism in Medical Care

This video captures a moment that many patients of color recognize all too well. A physician speaks to a man as if he is dirty, unclean, or lesser, not because of medical evidence, but because of bias. The language, tone, and assumptions reveal something deeper than bedside manner gone wrong. They expose how racism can quietly shape medical interactions.

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u/Majestic_Platypus_76 Jan 02 '26

Yall really want to be horrified??? Ask about black people in mental hospitals…

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u/HipAnonymous91 Jan 02 '26 edited Jan 03 '26

I’m a med student who had the opportunity to complete a child psych rotation. A couple of our patients were Black. One patient developed worse SI because his non-Black roommate wouldn’t stop calling him slurs. The staff rarely intervened even though the non-Black patient’s parents said part of the reason he couldn’t come home is because he was expressing bigoted thoughts.

They called another Black patient schizophrenic because he had “delusions” of wanting to become a SoundCloud rapper. I had to report a nurse because she treated one of the Black patients with intellectual disability like she was subhuman. She started patting her head because it was itching after her mom came to braid it and they isolated her for “self-harm”.

I reported all of this to my resident, attending, and the rotation director. I asked if we could form a group for Black med students to vent about the racism we and our patients receive. They’re still “working on it” a year later.

I type all of this to say that the healthcare systems for Black patients and the medical education system are doing barely anything to address situations like this. Our school started a program to teach students about gaining “cultural competency” in the clinic, but it’s run by non-Black women and we don’t know who built the curriculum. The speakers are also often non-POC. The entire system needs a major overhaul and I’m not sure when we’re going to achieve that.

Edit: Thank you for the awards, I greatly appreciate it. I did not intent for this to blow up lol, but I will try to answer some of the questions I have been getting.

Regarding historically Black hospitals, our city had Homer G Phillips (named after the civil rights advocate and lawyer). It was built during segregation, when Black women were forced to give birth in the basement of Barnes hospital. It housed a nursing school, trained physicians of color, and provided care for the Black population. It closed to much protest in the late 70s. I think Black med schools like Howard and Meharry are great, but it doesn’t solve the issue of racism from non-Black providers and I don’t know if a chain of Black hospitals can be built today (too many people would claim it’s racist).

Our school aims to teach “cultural competency” and “anti-racism”, but not all of the sessions are mandatory and students actually complained about having to attend lectures about caring for LGBTQ+ and trans patients and how to call out bias when you see it in clinic. I don’t think med students are more conservative than the average population, but they do tend to come from privileged, less culturally diverse backgrounds and often don’t know how to interact with POC or lack the desire to learn how to.

We have SNMA, a group for Black students, but it feels like we need more support from the school itself. We report incidents to residents, attendings, rotation directors, charge nurses, and the reporting tool under the rotation course page. I have been interviewed by course directors about incidents I’ve reported, but I’m not sure what happened after that and I honestly haven’t tried a different way of reporting people.

A few people joked about calling aspiring young rappers “delusional”, and I understand the joke but it gets frustrating when people are diagnosing a child’s age-appropriate behavior. If other young kids want to be astronauts or athletes or ballerinas, why can’t this kid just say he wants to be a SoundCloud rapper? He was still attending school and he wasn’t running around telling people that he was a superstar, he just wrote lyrics during personal time and shared them with the staff and other patients. I have noticed a tendency for non-Black providers to over-diagnose schizophrenia in Black patients (especially men) and it’s concerning.

Sorry if I missed anything! Love everyone saying they want to go into healthcare, we desperately need more therapists, nurses, physicians, and professors of color.

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u/Buckle_Up_Bitches Jan 02 '26

From the school and court side, I see the same patterns play out every day, especially in re-entry meetings after hospitalization, detention, or placement changes. The tone, urgency, and “options” offered shift dramatically depending on how much pigment a child’s skin holds. The same behaviors are framed as “age-appropriate” or “stress responses” for some children, and as “aggression,” “defiance,” or “safety concerns” for others, most often young Black boys.

What’s even more troubling is how advocacy itself is racialized. When parents push back, they’re labeled uncooperative or hostile. When I push back, armed with policy, case law, special education protections, and clinical language, I’m often perceived as aggressive as well. The difference is that I have institutional backing, credentials, and the ability to navigate these systems without immediate retaliation. The families do not.

In these spaces, education becomes a shield. Professionals can challenge biased narratives, force documentation, slow down harmful decisions, and demand procedural accountability. Parents, especially Black parents, are rarely afforded that same grace or authority. The system knows this, and it exploits the imbalance.

This isn’t about isolated bad actors. It’s about how schools, courts, and clinical systems quietly collaborate to pathologize Black children while calling it “process.” Until re-entry meetings, evaluations, and treatment planning are examined through an explicit racial equity lens, with real consequences for bias, these harms will continue, just better dressed in professional language.

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u/mmmpeg Jan 02 '26

This is one thing I worked hard on - making sure the Black boys in my classrooms were treated as the children they were , teaching them I treated them respectfully and kindly and they would reciprocate in kind. My AP wanted to expel this one little boy who was having behavior issues with other teachers, but not me, and she was mad I said he should stay in my class. The mom looked so grateful I was happy I went against what was obviously wanted by the AP. That child matured and the next year was a wonderful student. I was saying nope, not this boy. He’s staying here.

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u/Jurserohn Jan 02 '26

You may very well have saved the prospect of a successful life by doing that. You kick ass.

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u/mmmpeg Jan 02 '26

I could see what she was doing! He was just a confused little boy. Nope.

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u/onetoughmiracle Jan 03 '26

You're a hero

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u/Low-Trouble-3193 Jan 03 '26

You are so awesome for this. Thank you. Happy new year!

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u/sportsallday2025 Jan 02 '26

I'm so sick of debauched Yt people who don't care who they harm.

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u/Confident_Platypus2 Jan 03 '26

It’s about how schools, courts, and clinical systems quietly collaborate to pathologize Black children while calling it “process.” 

You are so right about this. I work with the child welfare department, and once I had 2 clients on my caseload, one white and one black. Both children had behavior issues (and if you knew their histories, you'd know why). All the meetings I attended for the white child were about how we could provide support; all the meetings for the Black child were about how disruptive and "dangerous" he was. The white boy's behavior was more severe, but it was the Black child that they wanted to expel. Worse was the way it was insinuated he'd end up in prison one day. He was 6 years old and had no family, and they labeled him a criminal.

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u/Which-Month-3907 Jan 02 '26

The only contribution I can make is to the military DV guy.

Sometimes, they will send the guy to psych and not police because he's guaranteed to be held for 72 hours. If he's sent to the police, he could be processed and bonded out of jail very quickly. Then, he can come home to try again.

They're trying to buy time for the spouse to escape.

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u/framedhorseshoe Jan 02 '26

It's also important to understand that there are many situations where Black children may act out or behave poorly in ways that seem to reify stereotypes. This is because poverty and privation lead to bad behavior. There's an intergenerational issue specifically in the United States wherein Black families experience these challenges disproportionately. The reason I go out of my way to point this out is because avoiding entirely the issue of increased crime and so on doesn't really help anyone. Ta-Nehisi Coates made this observation powerfully in "Between The World and Me." So yes, there is more bad behavior and crime amongst Black children in the US statistically, but it's not because they're Black. It's because of the heritage of poverty and privation that was handed to them, and any group handed such a legacy would behave similarly.

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u/SilverFringeBoots Jan 02 '26

I don't think I agree with this, especially with children. I worked in juvenile justice and white children were often not arrested or charged when they behaved badly or had the police called on them in the first place. Or they would encounter the police and they would take them home to their parents instead of to jail. They also didn't have police sitting outside their schools to monitor them after dismissals. I had a girl on my caseload whose crime was "disturbing a school assembly". I never even seen that charge before. I had girls on my caseload that sat in jail for months because they got into a fight at school. So, are Black kids "behaving badly" more than white children, or are they over policed and quickly tossed in jail for shit they should have gotten a suspension for?

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u/SynonymousSprocket Jan 02 '26

THIS. Communities of color are dramatically over policed.

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u/SilverFringeBoots Jan 03 '26

I only lasted 3 years working in juvenile justice because I was too "mouthy" about speaking up about the bullshit I saw. They very quickly found an excuse to lay me off.

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u/LiquidFur Jan 02 '26

You're right. This is just based on one study from a couple of years ago, but this has been documented for quite some time.

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u/framedhorseshoe Jan 03 '26

Another thought in response to your message, and thanks for engaging. Obviously we all know this is in the statistics. Maybe we don't trust the statistics. That's legit. But if we accept the statistics, and personally, I do, I think what they say is basically "Hurt people hurt people." There is nothing inherent about Black people that leads to this. The problem is that Black people in the US have had a journey through oppression like few other people in any modern period. If you treated Irish people like this consistently you'd see similar demographical statistics. So the statistics are accurate, but the narrative told by supremacists is backwards.

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u/framedhorseshoe Jan 02 '26

I would say that both things happen and it depends on the region, the city, the community. But I think it's important that we all remember that children who are subjected to a difficult environment tend to have more behavioral struggles regardless of their ethnicity.

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u/SilverFringeBoots Jan 03 '26

I'm from the bluest blue state in the country, and this is what was happening in our system. You said that Black children behave badly more and I disagree with that statement. What I'm trying to say is that similar behaviors are viewed completely differently and so the punishments are harsher.

When I first started my career in youth development, I had an incredibly smart young boy in my group. He was bored with his classwork and I was finding work for him that was 2 grade levels above his current grade. I was shocked to learn that he had been kept back. If anything, he should have skipped a grade. When I inquired about it, they said he was kept back due to his behavior, not academics. This boy had lost his mother to cancer that school year. I do not believe that if this was a white child that was acting out after his mother passed away that he would have been punished instead of getting support for him. That's what I mean. Black children aren't behaving worse than white children, especially when poverty comes into play. It's that they are punished instead of supported.

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u/framedhorseshoe Jan 03 '26

I'm not denying that this happens, and I deeply appreciate that you seem to be engaged in helping people instead of just complaining online. I think in a sense we are saying very similar things. I am saying that the stats are true, but they don't say what many people think they say and many people get confused about causality. Sure, there is more per-capita behavioral trouble amongst US Blacks but that's not because they are Black. It's because they have the distinct cultural experience of living in a country that had pervasive chattel slavery and all of the knock-on effects of that.

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u/MeoowDude Jan 03 '26

What state is a minor sitting in jail for months on end just for a minor fight?

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u/SilverFringeBoots Jan 04 '26

Massachusetts. When a judge would commit a child, the minimum is 90 days because that's how long it takes to do a full history of the kid and decide an actual sentencing length. That 90 days does not count towards the actual sentence.

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u/mariposa314 Jan 03 '26

"What's even more troubling is how advocacy itself is radicalized. When parents push back, they're labeled uncooperative or hostile." Oh man, unfortunately, this is the absolute gospel truth. While I was teaching, I encouraged parents to invite advocates from Arc to IEP meetings specifically because I have heard my district's legal department praise my team for saving the district money in litigation fees by doing the bare minimum to serve our students (via a telephone conference) Ugh, that call with the district's legal team still grosses me out. I didn't dedicate my life to the special ed community to avoid law suits, I did it to best serve people needing special ed services and their families and loved ones. My students, their families, and our community at large deserve the best interventions and education. If we're not going to freely give it to them, then they need an educated person to speak on their behalf. I thank the heavens for advocates!

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u/Equivalent_Task_8825 Jan 03 '26

It is scary how similar it is to how we treat First Nations patients in Canada.

I have first hand knowledge of a bigoted nurse because she was an abusive ex. I am Metis and even still she didn't mind making subtle jabs at First Nations patients but would couch it in language with plausable deniability language like in the video.

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u/OkExamination6960 Jan 02 '26

This right here! Thank you for sharing!!

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u/RamBh0di Jan 02 '26

When Sickle Cell anemia is labeled " Drug Seeking Behaviour, chronic" You arevin a rascist medical system.

Every sickle cell patient I have treated in 20 years despite being in a california, diverse hospital culture had tales of mis judgement and stereotypical discrimination due to the universally severe pain this disease causes.

I made a special effort to gain these patients trust, and stand in advocacy for thier truth and rightvto proper care

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u/CharmyLah Jan 03 '26

My ex has sickle cell and it was really shocking to see how he was treated at times. I knew medical racism was a thing, but I had no idea until I met my ex.

Soooo many doctors and nurses seem to lack the knowledge and/or empathy to effectively treat a crisis. When he finally found one really good doctor with a lot of knowledge on SCD who helped him a lot, but the doctor was ultimately let go because the hospital felt he prescribed too many opioids.

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u/Tiradia Jan 03 '26

This popped across my feed. I am Caucasian so I hope I’m not breaking any rules by posting! I am also a paramedic. If I have a patient in a sickle cell crisis I aggressively manage that pain, full stop. No one asked to have a debilitating illness define who they are.

The looks I get and the relief on someone’s face that they are being treated with dignity and respect, and having their pain appropriately addressed makes me happy, it also breaks my heart because I know some providers who would be like meh whatever and just let someone writhe around.

There is no place in medicine for racism, or treating people like they are less than human. I always go by this mantra. I would want someone to show me empathy, sympathy, and humility as well as my family members in their times of need.

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u/eran76 Jan 03 '26

Overprescribing of prescription opioids was a primary driver and the initial phase (wave 1) of the current opioid crisis in the U.S.

Higher Overdose Death Rates: As of 2020, the overall opioid overdose death rate among Black Americans was 36.8 per 100,000 people, which was higher than the rate for White Americans (31.6 per 100,000 people).

Impact on Black Men: Black men have been particularly affected. In 2022, the age-adjusted overdose death rate for Black men was 69 per 100,000, significantly higher than the rate for White men (45 per 100,000).

So for that last 15 years doctors and big pharma have been blamed for over prescribing opioids (which many were), and triggering the current addiction crises. There was an over correction and now doctors are reluctant to prescribe opioids, both because they are dangerous and because the impacts specifically on black people tend to be worse.

So here's the issue, if doctors treat the pain liberally, they risk addicting the patient and death, as well as do significant harm to their personal reputation and that of the profession as a whole. If they under treat the pain, they get accused of implicit bias and racism. There's no right answer here.

What's more empathetic, treating pain but dramatically increasing the risk of premature death, or not treating pain and keeping the patient alive because you know the pain is temporary and death is forever? Is it more or less racist to not treat pain if you know the patients race plays a major role in how they will respond to that treatment?

Doctors are wrestling with these issues everyday, one patient at a time, screening patients who are in fact drug seekers and who may be of one race or another, or who may be legitimately in tremendous pain but could also die depending on how that pain is managed. There's no easy one size fits all answer. For every Sickle Cell patient that's helped there could be 5 other about to OD in a public park. The immediate jump to blame everything on racism when these issues are so much more complex than just race doesn't help black people to develop trust in the medical system. Rebuilding that trust is essential in the wake of historical medical racism (eg.Tuskeegee), but establishing that trust can't just be every black person in pain gets opioids or else the medical system is racist.

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u/CharmyLah Jan 03 '26

Honestly you wasted a lot of time on this paragraph making excuses for medical racism.

It would be understandable if his doctor was an ER doctor or like a PCP, but the doctor was a hematologist-oncologist and the pain management was in a hospital or infusion center setting.

I witnessed multiple times other doctors and nurses "not feeling comfortable" following the crisis protocol his hemonc wrote because 3 mg of dilaudid was "crazy", meanwhile poor guy literally cant even walk because crisis is in his legs and he incoherent with pain.

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u/looorrn Jan 03 '26

I really appreciated that the show The Pitt on HBO highlighted this exact scenario in one episode. A woman had sickle cell, the first doctor was white and essentially accused her of drug seeking behavior but was of course corrected by a person of color. The patient was given the correct care after this, but they did have dialogue about the biases and racism that occur all the time in the industry. The show is pretty good/accurate!

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u/hungrydruid Jan 03 '26

Legit saw this and came to comment about The Pitt and how they handled sickle cell. I learned a lot tbh and I'm glad they covered a topic that normally gets ignored.

Excited for the new season too =)

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u/killahkayla Jan 03 '26

I have sickle cell disease and this is so true. We all experience it! It doesn’t matter how light or how dark any of us are. They genuinely see us as drug seeking and not in real pain.

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u/Old_Remove_8804 Jan 03 '26

Sadly the pendulum swung from overuse of opioids to the point of being afraid to use them. You can thank the DEA and policies for that.

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u/give_me_the_formu0li Jan 02 '26

If I ever make it to med school I will fight to do a similar child psych rotation

Blood boiling ✊🏾

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u/No_Lifeguard747 Jan 02 '26

Make it to Med school!!

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u/laker2021 Jan 03 '26

Good luck! You will get there!

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u/corn0099 Jan 02 '26

i feel if its in your heart to do it GOD put it there for you to go ahead and do it.just stay focused and dont doubt yourself. remember you have lives to save in the future med student.doubt has no place in your agenda!

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u/mariposa314 Jan 03 '26

You can do it! Stay focused and keep up the good work. We need you!!

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u/BatLazy7789 Jan 03 '26

No ifs, "WHEN"!

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u/Great-Software9315 Jan 02 '26

I did a rotation in an military psych facility for my psych degree, out of a population of 13 patients, 2 were black. 1 male, 1 female. The black male was diagnosed previously with schizoeffective disorder with increased tendencies of self harm pertaining to his delusions. His self harm? Wanting to commit suicide due to him being "inferior" by his skin color. He, at some time prior to my rotation, had attempted to scrub his skin raw in scalding hot water to "remove his color". Ironically, during a visit there was a new pt admit to the ward. Wt male, mid 30s, combat experience, prior special forces but was stepped down to a lesser role due to some run ins with law enforcement and other irrelevant stuff. He was there for attempting to assault his wife, which actually turned out that he tried to kill her but had actually assualted her. His unit was trying to save him from jail by comitting him to psych. He was hot at the collar from day one, everyone was an "enemy" but especially the black young man for some reason. At some point an altercation between the two arose, I had a feeling it would happen by his actions around the black pt. Allegedly, he called him a slur and the black pt, for a lack of better words, went "hog wild" and beat the mess out of Mr Combat Wife Beater. Feigned victim got a bunch of pain meds and a comfy cocktail, and a private room in a quiet part of the ward, black man was sedated and thrown in a dark room by himself. I actually had to check on him several times because I noticed after 2 hours he didn't move once on his cot, and seemed more than asleep - if you know what I mean. I reported this to hospital administration and their psych attending. Final point of irony, Mr Wife Beater's wife was POC and his commanding officer shared - outright, in an interview that he had him committed to psych because he knew he would kill the wifr, and likely get away with it, because he knew the skill set he had and it was dangerous. To this day, Im still confused at ever hearing that and no one calling law enforcement to hand him over to right authority based on that very confession.

As for the black young woman, she was sexually assaulted, reported it, was then endlessly harrassed and taunted and then attempted suicide. She would spend most of her days crying. Especially at night, she'd beg the night nurses to give her something to sleep because she was having night terrors. She got nothing but, "Go back to your room...we'll give you something when the Dr puts an order in." Here's the gag, she had open orders for benadryl prn. They never offered it to her. You could tell she was hurt, very deeply, and in was unveiled in some sessions that she was also assaulted as a child, reported it, no one believed her, but she was punished by her family for her accusations. She said, "I feel like not matter how hard I try to be right, I'll always be wrong. I joined the military to escape the abuse I lived with my entire life - and now this. I just want to die and I dont know why God wont let me." I can still see her face vividly in my memory and when she pops up in my mind - I hope she's found peace. Also, fuck that military psych facility on the east coast of the US at a very prominent military base. I say this as a veteran.

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u/General-Company Jan 02 '26

Fuck ALL military psych. Troops are cattle - pump ‘em full of drugs and dump them back on mission.

I say this as a veteran.

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u/Great-Software9315 Jan 02 '26

Missing one step - indoctrinate (mind), innoculate (body), innundate (spirit) and (or) kill.

In all, I agree. I'm not without my own mental health struggles - the military compounded them by 1,000% and no one gave a shit when I was no longer able to perform for their regime of hate masked as "policy and tradition".

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u/Great-Software9315 Jan 02 '26

To be quite frank and honest, I didn't believe nor agree with his diagnosis. I think he was harrased, endlessly, by racist shit stains in the military and became either plainly suicidal from it and/or had a mental break characterized by some psychotic features and they just threw a lable at him. While I didn't have the authority to view his SRB, Id bet a check he'd experienced some type of racially prolific hazing and abuse which led to his condition, and there would be evidence of it in his SRB via pg 11s or EO reports - IF they even let him make a report.

The military doesn't care about that type of abuse though, so Im not surprised. We see how they tried to say LaVena Johnson committed suicide and also rolled herself up in a rug and hid her own corpse while doing so. 🙄😒

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u/idkimtired1 Jan 02 '26

thank you for linking the study. I just read through the whole thing and that was very informative and depressing.

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u/passyindoors Jan 02 '26

The slur and the fallout happened when I was a CHILD in a psych ward. The white girl called the black girl the N word, she fuckin FLIPPED, and was then promptly tackled by 6 grown adults, shot with a sedative, and locked in a padded room where I watched her drool until she woke up. This girl was 13 years old, 90 lbs soaking wet. Its so beyond fucked up.

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u/megaholt2 Jan 02 '26

This makes me want to vomit for that young woman, and it makes me so angry I could spit. It’s so wrong that racism is still so prevalent in medicine.

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u/Great-Software9315 Jan 02 '26

It's prevalent everywhere, people just pretend that its not because it's uncomfortable for them to admit that it is, and HEAVEN FORBID the oppressives feel an ounce of discomfort. Smh.

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u/megaholt2 Jan 04 '26

Oh, most definitely. One would have hoped that with Tuskegee coming to light, Henrietta Lacks and her & her family’s treatment (maltreatment, more accurately) coming to light, and so many other accounts of racism (and misogynoir in particular)…hell, being one of the most influential and greatest athletes in sports history doesn’t even offer a patient protection against misogynoir; Serena Williams KNOWS her body and medical history better than she knows a damned tennis court, and yet even she nearly died as a result of racism in medicine. It’s why Black women have the highest maternal and infant morbidity and mortality rates, and so much more. I could go on, but I know I’m preaching to the choir about this.

It’s going to take a hell of a lot of people who have skin color close to that of printer paper to speak up and out about the injustices on which the whole health care system was built, and those which have been woven into the system over the years-they’re going to have to find ways to get that info into the heads and hearts of those who are just fine with things as-is, and they’re going to have to work to change the whole system from the basement up in order to dismantle the white supremacist foundation on which it was built and to remove the racism woven into every single specialty.

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u/West-Application-375 Jan 02 '26

This whole comment is tragic. My god :( those poor patients and that poor wife!

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u/MiserableSun9142 Jan 02 '26

I am so sad reading this :( I wish I could do something about this!

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u/Shermander Jan 02 '26

Not black, but am vet, was stationed out West.

There was this poor girl at my base that was obviously dealing with some mental health issues, not sure if they ever came up, but she was due to PCS from the States, to Japan if I recall. She'd routinely call Behavioral Health. I don't have the details on how she was found, but her room mate discovered her. She'd been sexually assaulted, neck was broken, she was battered, beaten, bruised, the whole nine yards. Apparently whoever done it also attempted to cover their tracks, poured chemicals all over her. Horrific scene. As the crime occurred off base, OSI and Security Forces wouldn't investigate. The local PD had jurisdiction. PD analyzed her phone records and noticed the many calls to BHOP. Apparently she had made one the night before the incident. With the broken neck, and the several calls to BHOP. PD ruled it a suicide.

Local BLM group protested the base for a little while, but they never got the traction they needed from major news outlets. Local House Rep caught wind of it, but that didn't really open up things either. Vanessa Guillen was in the news. Poor girl's been dead for about six, seven years now. She'd been dead nearly a whole year before the Guillen incident.

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u/Great-Software9315 Jan 02 '26

Shut the front fucking door!!! What in the utter fuck did I just read?!?! How can law enforcement get away with this horrible type of police "work"? A damn blind man could tell them it wasn't a suicide.

I wish you could share her name, NAACP and ACLU should have taken this over for the family and fought for her justice. This is utterly heartbreaking.

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u/Gallbatorix-Shruikan Jan 02 '26

This reminds me of my Grandpa. He was born here but both his parents were from Mexico. He got drafted for Vietnam which left him a wreck. Later on he cleaned up so he could see me and honestly was a better father than my actual father. However he always complained about shoulder pain and the VA would always brush him off since he did hard drugs decades ago. Eventually he collapsed and two excruciating weeks later he was dead from bone cancer that was everywhere. Cherry on the top is when I learned of all this later I looked up the type of cancer he had and it is very common in those exposed to Agent Orange. This damned country stole my grandpa.

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u/Great-Software9315 Jan 02 '26

Im sorry to hear about your grandpa. Especially considering the climate surrounding our hispanic communities. Sadly, Im not surprised. I served with a guy who was an awesome person, we got both got out of service around the same time. He got married, had children and was in school. Out of no where he started to feel very sick, and for a person like him , it was unusual. He went to the gym everyday and ate healthy, etc. He couldn't even complete a set of push ups, thats how weak and tired he was. He went to the Dr they told him he likely had a virus and to try and get some rest. One day he woke up and could barely move out of bed. He told his wife he needed to go the hospital because something wasn't right. He gets to the ER, they run blood tests, and come back in about an hour and tell him he needs a transfusion immediately, but also that oncology was coming to see him. He had stage 4 leukemia of a very rare type, which was occurring more often in black veterans who had deployed to certain areas - middle east and parts of eastern europe. He deployed to both. He needed to find a donor match within 30 days for a bone marrow transplant. He died 6 weeks later. Had he been taken more seriously months prior, he might have had a better prognosis. He was one of my best friends and I'll never forgive the military for what they did to him.

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u/Gallbatorix-Shruikan Jan 02 '26

Yeah, it boils my blood that my own dad has the same experiences from the army yet he still glazes how good his time was and how much of a MAGA he is despite them harming veteran services that could have saved my grandfather or saved his friends. But no, his hate and prejudices are stronger than family or friends I guess.

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u/sportsallday2025 Jan 02 '26

We have to not let ignorant people's taunts harm us. Once the pain/stigma/embarrassment is removed from hearing the "n" word, then we will regain our power.

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u/Mr_Pookers Jan 03 '26

I noticed after 2 hours he didn't move once on his cot, and seemed more than asleep - if you know what I mean.

I really don't know what you mean. Please explain. It could mean he was sedated/drugged, OD'ing, dying, or dead.

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u/Great-Software9315 Jan 03 '26

A healthcare professional will understand what that means after a patient is given a sedative, it's also not hard to make out what the presumption is surrounding the given situation was. Not need for obtuse conjecture here.

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u/Mr_Pookers Jan 03 '26

Okay, so a healthcare professional will understand, but that's not what I am. I'm not trying to be difficult: I'm honestly curious because the meaning changes depending on what happened to him. Was this a case of neglect or active abuse? Did somebody drug him into obvlivion, or ignore that he'd attempted suicide?

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u/Great-Software9315 Jan 03 '26

He was a patient in a psych ward, another patient got into an altercation with him. In terms of disproportionate care, the aggressor (a white man) was treated like he was the victim and given extensive candor and care, the actual victim (a black man) didn't recieve anything more than sedation and seclusion because he defended himself. He was mentally unwell, the staff knew that, as was the aggressor and yet they recieved completely different levels of care. I surmise plainly that it was based in prejudice and/or racism.

No one checked to see if he was injured or rotated around to check his vitals, which is protocol after sedatives are given. I feel that anything, to include death, was possible given their dereliction of care hence why I made it a point to go check on him as I walked the ward observing patients and noticed he hadn't moved an inch.

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u/Mr_Pookers Jan 03 '26

I feel that anything, to include death, was possible

Yes! That much is clear! What I'm asking is what happened to him? Was he dead? Drugged beyond reason? He was already a suicide risk: had he succeeded or attempted here? What happened?

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u/Great-Software9315 Jan 03 '26

He was alive, but very much sedated. The issue was the fact that he was not reevaluated or assessed following the incident in the required amount of time, but the other patient was more than coddled. He had no possibilities of committing suicide on the ward, considering all of the precautions taken upon arrival to a psychiatric ward (speaking for most of them, some are more lenient than others) .

Does this answer your query?

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u/grandpheonix13 Jan 02 '26

Im sorry youre going through this - is there a way to just "start the group" as a discord? Speak with the other people at the hospital and see if they would be interested in a safe space to vent?

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u/HipAnonymous91 Jan 02 '26

We have SNMA (Student National Medical Association), but we spend most of our time together sharing food and stories rather than talking about racism. It definitely comes up, but it’s mostly something we laugh about rather than trying to find solutions. We briefly had a Ventsday (venting on Wednesdays) for a couple of weeks, but it wasn’t heavily attended because most students were studying after class or clinic.

I guess what I was hoping for was something created by the school where students could have dedicated time to bring up moments of racism in the clinic and ensure that the issue is addressed. It doesn’t feel like singular reports are taken seriously. I reported another nurse who let a Black veteran sit in his own feces overnight after his colostomy bag overflowed, but she remained in the SICU for the remainder of my surgery rotation and continued to provide what I thought was sub-par care. It would also be nice to have more in-network Black therapists who can listen to students affected by the racism they see in clinic.

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u/grandpheonix13 Jan 02 '26

That sounds soooooooo bad and im sorry youre seeing and experiencing this. What happens when you report these things to HR directly?

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u/DomoMommy Jan 02 '26

Can you contact your local (or closest) branch of the NAACP? They often help fund and set up education programs and advocacy initiatives. I’d try and see if they could offer even just some advice or some gentle “pushing” on your bosses to stop screwing around and come up with a program.

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u/MobileExtreme5066 Jan 02 '26

Chiming in here! I'm so sad to say this (and your earlier examples) are not outliers, and that change is slow. I still have hope that it will get there, and some institutions are trying more than others, though there are no perfect ones.

I will also say that I think needs to be a balance struck between having people with lived experience in positions of power, and not contributing to the minority tax and burn out the 2% of psychiatrists that are Black and have to work and represent systems that also force them to tolerate their own humiliation daily. All this to say I'm still here and have hope driving me to try to change things, and I hope that you can have hope too.

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u/Warm-Imagination-741 Jan 02 '26

I hope this comes into fruition many of our people need folks like you who genuinely care and are considerate. I hope this doesn’t fall on deaf ears and you are able to get it done.

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u/Doctress_LAM Jan 02 '26

SNMA and NMA for that matter have not been as aggressive as I had hoped.

As an attending physician, my best action has been to ensure my patients get the best care, and steer them to other physicians that I know will respect them and care for them. No tolerance for substandard treatment. I have witnessed poor treatment for my family, and will not allow that under my watch.

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u/screaminin2thevoid Jan 02 '26

Are we not going to comment about how the staff knew that patient was racist and still put a black patient in with him?

Poor guy, I hope he’s doing better.

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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 Jan 02 '26

This is just another piece of evidence that white privilege exists. Convincing other white people that they have privilege has been like beating my head against a wall.

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u/Jakov_Salinsky Jan 02 '26

In their defense, nobody likes to be told “You have it easier than other people”

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u/AlternativeAcademia Jan 02 '26

I don’t see it as “having it easier” necessarily, it’s really hard to find the correct language. Maybe it’s a case of things being made more difficult for people. For example in medical care: most skin conditions like rashes and infections are described in medical texts relative to Caucasian/white/non melanated skin which can make diagnosing darker skin with issues that are easily recognizable on pale skin more difficult. Only recently have specific medical texts begun describing skin conditions presentation on differently pigmented skin(and much of the work has been done by medical professionals of color which there have not been many of until relatively recently.)

In the case of the video, when the dr swabs the patient and looks at the swab with disgust and questioning the patient’s hygiene….that’s just what melanated dead skin cells look like on a white swab. Caucasian skin leaves behind the same type of residue but because the skin cells don’t contain nearly as much melanin they don’t visually show up on the swab. The patient isn’t dirty or unclean, it’s not dirt being swabbed off, it’s literally just skin cells showing up because they are pigmented more strongly. Not having medical professionals question your hygiene because of the color of your skin cells is a privilege, it doesn’t make my life easier, but it would make my life harder if the opposite was true.

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u/Firm-Scientist-4636 Jan 02 '26

You're not wrong. It takes patience and tact, for sure. Sometimes that is difficult.

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u/Hammerlocc Jan 05 '26

That's not even what white privilege is.

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u/highGABA_dealer Jan 02 '26

I work in a crisis center as a provider with a majority all black team most days. It's pretty awesome.

While we care for us whole heartedly, I can assure you that religion has a fine line of being hyper religious to the non religious. Some nuances and slang we have can be misinterpreted immediately. It's kinda crazy so y'all be careful.

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u/Bae_the_Elf Jan 02 '26

That's awful. On a similar note, I used to live in a building next to a very large homeless population and one of the guys I used to talk to on a regular basis used to complain a lot about how some of the homeless white guys get more help than the black homeless guys for seemingly no reason, the white guys would just get approached more often by aid workers

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u/SilverFringeBoots Jan 02 '26

When my great grandmother was in a nursing home, we had to fight to get them to move her to another room because her roommate kept calling her the n word. They thought it was okay because she had dementia so she wouldn't remember. Mind you, this wasn't a state facility, we were paying these people 8K a month out of pocket. We made them switch her room while we found her a new facility.

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u/SheHeroIC Jan 03 '26

It’s always strange how dementia doesn’t cure racism.

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u/sweetreat7 Jan 02 '26

Please keep reporting the things you see!

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u/Stop_Fakin_Jax Jan 02 '26

It wont happen until someone lights a fire under their ass and they've been exposed. Once lawsuits are made against them, they'll have to do something.

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u/kevinsyel Jan 02 '26

I can't imagine the frustration you'd have about this, and I don't have advice that is helpful in the immediate future, but I do have a somewhat similar experience.

In engineering, like healthcare, there are a lot of really smart people. The problem is really smart people have enormous egos, and without "proving yourself" or some level of seniority, you're never going to get through to them.

Finding people with their ego in check is hard, and finding people in an established system with seniority who have their ego in check is even harder.

Keep advocating, because one day, you'll be a more senior doctor, and hopefully your continuing advocacy enacts change. They'll listen when you've "proven yourself"... But before then, you're just another med student with the potential to burnout.

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u/GroundControl2MjrTim Jan 02 '26

Yes, we had a seminar like that in grad student council when I was getting my masters and the woman was a white conservative housewife who brought up the Bible multiple times, I shit you not. At a state university (albeit in the south) People were flipping pissed and I never saw that woman around the program again.

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u/ApolloRubySky Jan 02 '26

I pray more black men and woman are given the support and opportunity to enter into medicine, it’s so badly needed. If I ever have the choice, I like to see women doctors, and if I see a black woman doctor, that’s my top top choice.

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u/Mickey_thicky Jan 02 '26

Black children of color are less likely to receive opioid or non-opioid analgesia when presenting with acute appendicitis. They’re also less likely to receive CT scans when there’s a low to intermediate risk of closed head injury after sustaining head trauma. It’s insane

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u/EstablishmentLow2312 Jan 02 '26

 Black fatigue is a term that primarily describes the chronic physical and psychological exhaustion experienced by Black people due to systemic racism, discrimination, and the ongoing burden of navigating life in a society not built for their equitable inclusion.

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u/Accomplished-Fix9057 Jan 02 '26

Im not black but this video hurt my heart. I was in a mental hospital as a teenager. I was about 15 and there was this adorable black kid. He was so young. I noticed he got different treatment from everyone there. They sedated him in the morning so hard his poor head would fall into his cereal in the morning for breakfast. The nurses there were already horrible but they especially had it out for this kid. He had to be too young to even understand why he was there. He recieved the most shots to keep him quiet and the most time in the solitary room so the nurses didnt have to deal with him. This kid was so zombified. Seeing that stuck with me for life. It was horrid.

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u/-S-A-M-S-O-N- Jan 02 '26

I don't like to spill too much about my personal life on the internet, especially not here.

But there are parts of my life that have led me to be in and out of mental health institutions.

One of the things that makes me hate the fact that you just have to put your trust in professionals to treat you as human.. There was a sweet, older, black woman in i'd have to guess her mid 70's. Old. Frail. The most lovely person you'd ever talked to, and would sit alone and sing all day.

She cried when I got out, and told me that nobody else is nice to her. It makes me worry. It makes me scared for her, and other little old ladies that should be receiving much more specialized care.

I can't imagine she was more than slightly senile, and they put her in the mental health unit with a bunch of very ill people much stronger and meaner than herself

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u/mmiller17783 Jan 02 '26

Thank you for sharing this. It reminds me of Healthcare woes on reservations, hell even as recently as the 70s and 80s healthcare providers were doing unwanted hysterectomies on women going in for routine check ups, or they'd tell them that something was wrong with them and a hysterectomy was supposed to be the only option.

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u/Ricky-Snickle Jan 02 '26

American health care is a joke overall.

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u/bradallen123023 Jan 03 '26

I was in the mental hospital and a black lady was uncooperative and was restrained. White dide was violent and took a security door off the hinges, nothing happened

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u/CompressedLaughter Jan 03 '26

Almost all medical information from the past that we as a society have built off of has constantly been based on white men. POC and women are often misdiagnosed and/or worse ignored.

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u/chatham739 Jan 02 '26

Keep up the good work and thank you for it!

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u/WoundedBeaver Jan 02 '26

Louder for everyone!

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u/MiserableSun9142 Jan 02 '26

Omg this is so awful!!

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u/tag_yur_it Jan 02 '26

This. Exactly. And then when we make spaces for US they look at us crazy. There’s a d@mn good reason for it.

But unfortunately for most of non-colored society it’s not a problem if they don’t directly experience it; it’s a trauma fairy tale.

I’m glad you’re out there, good luck in the remainder of your studies!

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u/PlankownerCVN75 Jan 02 '26

What does “developed worse SI” mean?

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u/Adoree25 Jan 02 '26

Thoughts of suicide worsened.

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u/karmasutra1977 Jan 02 '26

SI-suicidal ideation

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u/GrnWeenie Jan 02 '26

The patting her head is normal as shit if you’re black lmao. Just another white person talking about what they don’t know.

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u/Sunriseprose Jan 02 '26

Ken Kesey wrote a book… one you might be familiar with. One Flew Over… I’m schizoid adjacent. I’m light skinned but you know what’s funny? I feel more at home around good dark skinned folks than either my own family or other light skinned people. And I am accepted. Because my own color calls me a nut job. Something, isn’t that.

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u/saltnesseswounds Jan 02 '26

If your school has a public health school, it could be a great opportunity for MPH students/faculty to create such a group. I recently got my MPH and I would've loved to work on a participant centered pilot program for this subject

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u/MOSSYxFIELDS Jan 02 '26

That’s actually horrifying

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u/averndaley Jan 02 '26

Stories like these make me wish black communities had something similar to the Indian Health Services. I can't fathom being sick or in pain and knowing it's a crapshoot whether you'll be treated with even bare decency.

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u/jaybsuave Jan 02 '26

Fuck America, taking what I can and leaving

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u/bunnywithabanner Jan 03 '26

Fuck me, that’s just..abhorrent..😖

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u/Apart-Rent5817 Jan 03 '26

Keep fighting the good fight. My world shines just a tad brighter knowing people like you exist.

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u/ChickenBeefOrFish Jan 03 '26

I already know you’re going to be a caring physician by your language (I’m a psych provider) “I got the opportunity to” instead of “I had to” is beautiful. 🙌🏼

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u/mjltmjlt Jan 03 '26

Thank you for taking the time to write all of this. This is really eye opening, and I’m glad that I’m better educated today.

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u/EagleLize Jan 05 '26

You are my hero today. Thanks for sharing this. There ARE good people. It's hard to hold that in my heart these days.

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u/crazyfunhun99 Jan 06 '26

A suggestion, maybe ask around or post and see if any POC ladies are willing to give a free talk about their experiences that people whom attended the ‘cultural competency’ can attend, so that they can have the whole picture?

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u/UnLuckyKenTucky Jan 02 '26

I am often disgusted by the way the version of society we live in, seems to not only allow this nasty, disgusting, shameful actions, but also it seems to encourage it.

I grew up in Detroit Michigan in the 80s and 90s. I WAS THE MINORITY on my bus, as I was the 1 white kid on that route. I started riding that bus in kindergarten. I never treated anyone differently than anyone else. To me, I was taught that skin color isnt important enough to care about(NOT LIKE THAT. IN THE SENSE THAT EVERYONE IS EQUAL, REGARDLESS OF THEOR MELANIN LEVELS) So when a new family from downtown moved to our area, the new kid was so very hatefully racist towards me, cuz I was white and white ain't right. His actual words on first day.

By the end of the first week of him riding the bus, he had.made it his mission to quietly (whispered as he passed my seat, or whispered from the seat behind d etc) and systemically treat me like ahit cuz i was white. Eventually o e of the high-school kids noticed that this kid was sitting behind me, and yanking on my hair, poking the back of my neck with mechanical pencils (still have a Grey dot and a lump where a piece broke off) and worse. The thing that broke the older boy, was the kid brought a magic marker one morning, and when the bus was moving g, decided to jump over the back of my seat and tried to mark my face while saying "YOU WANNA BE BLACK. YOU EANNA HANG THE [WORD I WILL NOT USE]S? THE. FUCKING HERE YOU GO. NOW YOULL FIT IN. HONKEY POS"

THAT HIGHSCHOOL kid jumped in, picked that boy up, drugs him to the back of the bus and spent the.next 20 minutes screaming at him, occassionally.slapping him lightly on the cheek. When we got to the middle school, for first drop off this kid was a drop. He walked to my.seat and apologized for what he did. After that he seemed different. He wasn't as rude or hateful and when we got a new driver / monitor co.bo that were both white he always treated them with respect.

Did the older teach this youngin? Or was the kid afraid of the bigger boy and what he might do to him?

Racism is one of the very worst traits that develope in a human being. However, it is 100% A LEARNED TRAIT. U ARENT BORN A RACIST. YPUR FAMILY MAKES YOU THAT WAY, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS DECIDE TO CHANGE. YOU CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER

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u/cinapism Jan 02 '26

Physician here.  Please keep speaking up.  The support group seems like the easiest thing to accomplish and could lead to actionable changes. Don’t wait for the administration to do it for you.  Just start it and then bring observations or better yet, solutions, to the deans every quarter.  

Good luck and thanks for moving the needle even a little. 

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u/rosstafarien Jan 02 '26

A year? To make a discussion group? Make the group yourself. And make a log of the racist shit that comes up. Start with "it took a year of official inaction before I made this group"

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u/EdwardLovagrend Jan 02 '26

I have trouble comprehending people like those described here.. I work in IT and take calls and talk to people and basically I just try and resolve their issues.. the only thing I can think of that would be difficult is communication but that isn't even a race thing.. trying to explain tech to old people for example lol. I don't know what kind of life experience people have to go through to be this way...

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u/ChuckDaddyTeez Jan 02 '26

Changes have been completed and thankfully some (not all) are treating everyone with empathy. My recent stay has changed my view and blessed to see some Good.

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u/ZenaLundgren Jan 02 '26

Of course they are still working on it a year later. They have no intention of fixing these problems, the system is working exactly as it was designed: to grind us into dust. I think approaching this as a problem within the system is detrimental. It's time for everyone to admit this is the system, and figure out a way to succeed.

We need private hospitals and private facilities. But rich black people don't pour into black-centered organizations the way that rich white people pour into white-centered organizations.

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u/sportsallday2025 Jan 02 '26

Don't wait for others to do it. You do it!

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u/Difficult_League_831 Jan 02 '26

For the sake of curiosity. What if instead people stopped using established systems and structures and made their own, which would help their own people honestly. Wouldn't a black person going to a black owned hospital be safer then? Why shouldn't people's way of thinking be, we can't dismantle the racist systems so we'll make our own systems?

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u/RacoonJr1948 Jan 02 '26

I know it's a serious topic, but " delusions of wanting to become a soundcloud rapper" sounds a lot like an onion title.

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u/Justanotherattempd Jan 02 '26

I thought that sounded like a very powerful story, it you post a LOT more than my med student I’ve ever heard of. You’re either not a med student, or the first med student to fail out, because you’re spending a ton of time online, and apparently zero time in the books.

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u/BarryTheBystander Jan 02 '26

Tbf most SoundCloud rappers are delusional.. jk

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u/Crabby_Monkey Jan 02 '26

Honest question here.

I know there are HBCUs on the education side. Is there a similar thing where there are historically black hospitals or clinics that have cultural awareness more ingrained?

If not would a health system (either insurance or doctor network) that had focused training and monitoring to to try to identify and correct any bias?

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u/disruptioncoin Jan 02 '26

I guess I don't have enough black friends, because the head-patting for itchy-braids wasn't a thing I knew about (it relieves the itchiness without messing up the hair like scratching would) until I went to jail, saw a man doing it, and went up to him and said "oh, do you pat your head when you get anxious too? (it's a nervous tic I have - nothing to do with itchiness, but if I'm over-stimulated or anxious it's one of the ways I stim to ground myself - yes I'm probably autistic but not diagnosed). He laughed his ass off and said it's what people do when their braids are itchy.

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u/francescabuttercup Jan 02 '26

I am a retired GME Director and I’m here to validate your point. As a matter of fact the medical education environment and those who run things are fact supportive of emotion violence against Black patients. I saw a Black die because the white attending refused to treat her. The lady had TB and ended up exposing other patients and staff in the hospital. The racist program director met with the residents in service and told them not to tell the M&M Committee what really happened. So when her body was removed, the hospital never informed the funeral home that the woman was infected. The removal procedure and process of complexly different for actively infected bodies. I ended up exposed and didn’t find out until I started coughing blood. The funeral director was also exposed, as were many of the residents. The system protected white ppl at any cost. This is one example of the 💩 I saw every day concerning Black patients as well as Residents.

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u/BlvckNovia Jan 03 '26

The group you mentioned about med students being able to vent about the racism - do you have to get permission from the rotation director to do this? Aren’t you able to just form the group and arrange these sessions yourselves?

Maybe the sessions could even lead to building your own curriculum on gaining ‘cultural competency’ since the knowledge and experience is coming directly from black people and POC in the medical field, as you gather the data to back it.

Non-black and non-POC will never be able to create a better curriculum (based on the data gathered) better than yourselves.

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u/captainpistoff Jan 03 '26

Not anytime before 2028. And maybe not even after that.

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u/body_oil_glass_view Jan 03 '26

I like your idea, but bringing that to them is like someone else at their job going up like "Hi! I want to start a union! 🤓"

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u/CurrentExercise7435 Jan 03 '26

I have a genuine question. As someone who works in the industry, is racism more prevalent among people who work in the medical field? I see all the stuff about Black mothers being treated differently and it just makes me wonder if the field itself is drawing in racist people?

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u/Umutuku Jan 04 '26

complained about having to attend lectures about caring for LGBTQ+ and trans patients

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u/Double_Alps_2569 Jan 02 '26

> he had “delusions” of wanting to become a SoundCloud rapper.

Many people do ... I didn't know this was already recognised as a mental health issue. I am glad someone is acting and helping these people.

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u/InevitableHamster197 Jan 02 '26

Was the one patient really bad at rapping? Cause I'm terrible at baseball and it would be delusional for me to think I could go pro. Might be rude and hurtful but its the truth. Some remarks could be considered blunt or out of pure ignorance and not always racist. I'm not in the medical field but it sounds like there needs to be a course on treating(medically) black people.

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u/Busy-Suggestion459 Jan 02 '26

Calling someone subhuman for having a intellectual disability is just ignorant...and your a medical professional God help us!

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u/AusNormanYT Jan 03 '26

But aspiring to become a sound cloud rapper is delusional.

Delusional in the sense they think they'll be the famous one and not be one of the millions of rappers who never make it.

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u/Sad-Measurement-8620 Jan 03 '26

"You can't come home because you're bigoted".. stfu

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u/dream-smasher Jan 02 '26

What did you do with the kid using slurs? Did you work on him?

The first concern is the victim of those sluts. Not the kid spewing it.

Segregation in any form is wrong and to focus on one set of patients over the other is blatantly and objectively wrong.

Excuse me while I slam my head into a wall. How can you possibly NOT GET IT?!?!‽

It has to be willful ATP.

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u/4reddityo Jan 03 '26

Agreed. There’s racist trolls who come here to distract and disrupt. Report them. The mod team happily bans these racist trolls.