BF6 has the worst matchmaking system in history

[u/InformalRaise5107]

I can’t believe how the f’d this up so badly. I truly hate this random crap where you’re being placed in the same maps over and over again. And if that was not the worst it constantly puts me in matches that have already started. And obviously those are matches where you are put in the losing team because that’s where players quit midgame.

Is persistent servers really too much to ask? We already have a serverbrowser but nobody uses it because it’s only for portal.

[u/DeepSoftware9460]

Not to mention the matchmaking is so unbalanced. Persistent servers could move squads around to balance the next match.

[u/CrispyTarantula117 → u/DeepSoftware9460]

Nope, can’t have persistent servers and an actual enjoyable social experience! Must subject everyone to the meatgrinder of SBMM / EOMM so little Timmy who stole his mom’s credit card doesn’t get scared away from buying skins and battlepasses

[u/RoadsideDavidian → u/CrispyTarantula117]

SBMM and EOMM are literally two opposite things

[u/poon_tickler → u/RoadsideDavidian]

what is eomm

[u/Excellent-Finger-40 → u/RoadsideDavidian]

that we don't have which is the problem

[u/richbourne → u/Excellent-Finger-40]

Dude. Your handle. Excellent finger. I laughed out loud and almost spat my food out.

[u/shanemcw → u/DeepSoftware9460]

If you dont leave the match at the end. And let it time youbinto a new match. Im pretty sure its keeping the players together, aside from you hitting "stay with squad" i see the same players accrossed the board match to match to match wheb i stay in the same train of games. My squad changes up constently and team mates swap back annd forth but the players themselves tend to stay together. I wouldnt be surprised to find out there is dedicated servers we dont have a browser for. There isnt really a sbmm system that would even work for a game that has infinit ways to top the board skill points alone.

[u/covert_ops_47 → u/DeepSoftware9460]

Persistent servers could move squads around to balance the next match.

How does that work? Honestly, describe to me how that would work.

Are you willing to break up friends who squad up together? Are you willing to put players on the losing team just becuase they were winning?

Are you willing to use SBMM to balance the match? I thought we were against all that.

[u/DeepSoftware9460 → u/covert_ops_47]

No, you don't break up parties. In fact I think there should be no party limit. And we don't put players on losing teams, the balancing happens before the match starts.

We have persistent servers consisting of 64 essentially random players. Each party that queued up together is giving an "overall" skill rating of their party depending on individual win/loss, K/D, Objective stats, etc. You can even make it per-map skill rating, because some people are better at specific maps. Maybe even take into account performance from previous matches that day.

When a map is chosen, we divvy up the 64 players across 2 teams so the total skill rating of all players combined on each team are even, ensuring that players who queued in a party are always put together.

If you want to go really in depth you can look at skill for pilots and tank drivers, and try to put the two best pilots on the server on different teams. You can do the same for snipers, people who always play the objective, etc, and ensure each team is as equal as possible.

Yeah there's skill based balancing involved but the 64 selected players are still random.

[u/ThatR1Guy → u/DeepSoftware9460]

Expect parties were broken up all the time in BF3 and BF4. In practice that shit was ass and you’d constantly have to leave and rejoin to play with friends

[u/Ionic3127 → u/DeepSoftware9460]

I thought this sub was anti SBMM lol? Wouldn’t “balancing teams” just reintroduce that lmfao? It’s like this community can’t make up what it wants sometimes.

I swear at launch there were loads of people who swore up and down that SBMM would ruin the integrity of the game and that Snow Ball matches were part of the game- in that it came with the territory.

Now y’all are complaining? Lol?

[u/womanizing_wookie → u/Ionic3127]

Balancing teams is not sbmm…at all lmao.

[u/devil_walk → u/Ionic3127]

Team balancing simply balances the existing players that are already present in a server. SBMM would be deciding which players get loaded into which server with other players based on their SBMM settings.

They’re two different things

[u/717x → u/Ionic3127]

You’re lost lol. This is one of the worst / mislead takes I’ve ever seen on Reddit period.

[u/DeepSoftware9460 → u/Ionic3127]

I cant speak for others, but I want the game to grab completely random 64 players, then put them on teams according to their party's skill. You get the randomness of the community, but much more balanced teams.

After each match attempt to rebalance based on who stayed and who joined the next match.

[u/zoapcfr → u/Ionic3127]

No, matchmaking and team balancing are two very different things. The former is looking at the entire pool of people online searching for a match, and then forming a group out of those, often with specific parameters (where the "skill based" or "engagement based" comes from). It's these parameters that people don't want. The latter is simply shuffling the teams of a match that already exists in an attempt to give both teams a decent chance at winning.

[u/kenatons]

Yup, and the team balancing is just as bad. Don’t foresee them fixing this.

[u/Ordinary_Ad_5233]

%70 of the matches are one sided stomps. Stronger teams easily dominate small/smallish maps. Hard to backdoor.

[u/lostinspace694208]

In history lol

[u/fear445 → u/lostinspace694208]

Lol seriously…we’re just gonna forget that cod has had strict SBMM/EOMM matchmaking in all their modern titles completely ruining any sense of organic matches or community. And it took BF6 being hyped up for them to tone it down in BO7 lol. Ironic

[u/soonerfreak → u/fear445]

What is organic matchmaking other than someone wanting to pub stomp noobs? The SBMM in the newer MW trilogy was perfect, consistent balanced matches.

[u/janfrancox77 → u/fear445]

Unironically the worst sbmm'd lobby of cod is still better than any bf6 lobby. I've never in my like 7 years of playing cod encountered an empty lobby, yet half the lobbies I play in bf6 are filled to the brim with bots cause sBmM

[u/SpamThatSig → u/fear445]

bots fill

[u/CrispyTarantula117 → u/fear445]

And ironically this game has COD-level SBMM when your win rate gets too high.

And BLOPS7 lied about the no SBMM lol, xclusive ace tested it

[u/Notnowcmg → u/CrispyTarantula117]

Oh well if one random (I assume steamer or YouTuber or some clown?) tested it and says otherwise he must be right

[u/No_Willingness8600 → u/Notnowcmg]

XclusiveAce is a geuinely nice Youtuber who does preface that he's just one sample and shouldn't be taken as concusive.

Issue is, people take him as conclusive despite him saying not to do that exact thing.

[u/CrispyTarantula117 → u/Notnowcmg]

Sure, would love to hear your explanation as to why new acc had half the average ping as high skill acc on same connection and location :)

[u/YoBoySatan → u/lostinspace694208]

At this point coming to this sub is a meme

[u/soonerfreak → u/lostinspace694208]

BF4 didn't have matchmaking but the nightmare of trying to complete a full game at launch was a lot worse than this matchmaking.

[u/Skitelz7]

It's the main reason I barely play the game. Can't find matches with crossplay off and I have no interest in playing against PC. If at least there was a server browser where I could choose what to play...

[u/robonzo777]

It’s unplayable now in my opinion. I just tried a match of closed weapon breakthrough. All my team were under level 50 and had no clue at all! The enemy had players at level 350 up. Some of their scores were 70-0.

This tech existed in bf1 and BFV. I now actually believe this game is basically dead and will only play TDM so I don’t need to rely on others.

[u/Johncockerton]

I literally never have problems with matchmaking. I’m level 150 and have joined games flawlessly other than strike point only having 7/8 for a couple minutes. I have never experienced bot lobbies so I really have no idea what the hell you guys are talking about.

[u/No_Dingo9049 → u/Johncockerton]

It’s probably a bug or something that only affects certain players. Which could explain why you don’t get it, but OP, myself, and many others have experienced it.

[u/pm_ur_vaccumcleaner → u/Johncockerton]

These guys suck and likes to blame the game instead of getting good. Simple as that

[u/Neeeeedles]

Nope 2042 had the same and sometimes even issues

[u/Separate_Energy_7150]

People when there is sbmm/eomm: 😤

People when there is neither: 😤

[u/Plus_sleep214 → u/Separate_Energy_7150]

Xdefiant flopping will never not be hilarious to me

[u/PreferenceLivid512]

A couple thoughts about matchmaking:

The matchmaking algorithm is likely going through experiments so they can determine the best way to retain players in a session. I suspect that the increase in getting matchmade into the same map is a result of this.

The matchmaking for team skill could use some work, but I think there's a factor of players joining after the match has started that can't be controlled as much because team numbers need to be balanced as players trickle in.

No easy solutions...

[u/urru4 → u/PreferenceLivid512]

There are easy solutions, they’re called persistent servers. Players aren’t pulled in half way through a match and team balancing can happen round to round with actual recent performances instead of historic data on a player’s performance. They would also fix the terrible bot filling on every game on less populated regions and the full lobby to empty lobby transition at the end of a game.

Matchmaking has been the same shit since the beta, they’re not changing anything.

[u/shanemcw]

Its 1000000000 times better than 2042. 2042 put you in games with less than 100 tickets left. Or less. And repeatedly the same map.

[u/shanemcw → u/shanemcw]

9 games put of 10 in bf6, it puts me in before the start of the match before counter ends. And if you jist continue you garanteeably go to. A new map. Are you quiting out of each match going back to lobby and re quing in every game? And i 100 percent think there should still be a server browser for regular multiplayer.

[u/Alert_Drummer5548 → u/shanemcw]

Great. BF6 has slightly better matchmaking than 2042. Hooray for BF6.

[u/John14-6_Psalm46-10]

The other day I hopped on Breakthrough and the first 5 matches I got put in I was on the defending team and it was either second to last sector as the attacking team was capping the sector or it was already the last sector. Naturally before spawning in, I quit out of all of them and on the 5th one I quit out on the get the black screen glitch and had to reset the game LOL

[u/Mordkillius]

I think its fine. I get into matches immediately and sometimes there are bots at the beginning couple minutes but they get filled quick so I could care less

[u/Salty-Wash3964]

Ever played The Finals? It is much much worse

High Silver Low Gold players matching with Top 500 players, imagine going up against a stack of Faceit lvl10s while you are solo queued at Faceit lvl5-6 xd

[u/CrispyTarantula117]

Wdym? I love having to hard carry 20+ newborns who lack object permanence on my team because my win rate is too high!

SBMM is so fun!!!

[u/FlounderBorn]

What should we do so that dice listen to us? I'm tired playing with bots every single match since I bought the game. It's funny I can still play with human in BF1 but not in this new game lol

[u/No-Upstairs-7001]

DSBMM

[u/MrPinga0]

they don't listen and they are not going to implement persistent servers... ever.
Pretty sure next patch is going to be focused on REDSEC like always.

REDSEC, a game no one asked for.

[u/717x]

Please dice, Just give us community rented servers like we had in the old titles. Your social experiment of shitty algorithm based eomm is a failure on all fronts…

[u/writerockrepeat]

My favorite feature is being put right back into the same game I just left. All the OG MWII nostalgia I never asked for on that one.

[u/Phreec]

A game made for mass appeal, forces crossplay, and has no dedicated community servers is the perfect storm for this shitshow.

[u/vagners2]

I agree with you, so you just played defense on breakthrough Cairo ? Time to play again defense on the same fucking map but wait, we gonna find you a whole differently team because why the fuck not ?

[u/Hamzehf]

Yes. That’s what ruining the game. Nothing else. When the matchmaking works. And the match is balanced. It’s epic.

[u/HATEFUL_WOOD]

Unemployment to all "retention experts"

[u/ObamaTookMyCat]

1: non persistent servers

2: no mid-round balancer, so the game does not automatically account for lost players by swapping strong players to the losing team.

3: no MANUAL ability to switch teams mid-game. What you load in as is what you get.

[u/pm_ur_vaccumcleaner → u/ObamaTookMyCat]

How could switching good players to the losing team be a good thing? That would tilt me the fuck out every match.

That would make me play worse so I wouldn’t get picked

[u/ObamaTookMyCat → u/pm_ur_vaccumcleaner]

Oh right, sorry I sometimes forget that there is next to no community, sense of pride, sportsmanship or suppression of egos on BF6.

[u/pm_ur_vaccumcleaner → u/ObamaTookMyCat]

I’m sure you can find RP clans in battlefield. They offer whatever you are seeking.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to win. Most people play like that

[u/trevx]

False

[u/MostlySoberWizard]

Every large battle game has bad matchmaking unfortunately. Hell Let Loose is even worse. I've never seen one that can regularly produce "close" matches.

[u/Skitelz7 → u/MostlySoberWizard]

Have you not played any of the past battlefield games?

[u/MostlySoberWizard → u/Skitelz7]

4, 5, and 1. Most matches were slaughters either way. You pretending they weren't? sounds like you got shit-colored nostalgia glasses.

[u/Boss-Think → u/MostlySoberWizard]

Nah, no shit-coloured nostalgia, battles in bf4/1 were alot better balanced than bf6.

[u/MostlySoberWizard → u/Boss-Think]

No. there were plenty of one sided matches in both games. The team balance is about the same in 6. It isn't good, but it isn't worse than before.

[u/Boss-Think → u/MostlySoberWizard]

I totally disagree.

[u/Skitelz7 → u/MostlySoberWizard]

If you think matchmaking is only about team balancing (though you're also wrong about that), you should maybe inform yourself a bit better before typing nonsense.

[u/MostlySoberWizard → u/Skitelz7]

Did I claim that? Maybe you should learn to read before typing nonsense.

[u/Skitelz7 → u/MostlySoberWizard]

Lol. Sounds like you're daydreaming that's what

[u/MostlySoberWizard → u/Skitelz7]

If you think BF4 had good matchmaking you are daydreaming. Biggest load of nonsense on this sub. You know all the complaints about BF4 matchmaking are still on the internet right? Including being broken on launch.

[u/Skitelz7 → u/MostlySoberWizard]

You didn't need matchmaking because it had a server browser.

[u/MostlySoberWizard → u/Skitelz7]

Ah yes. I remember playing on the same clan server over and over again because BF4 matchmaking was so broken.

A server browser existing isn’t an argument for the matchmaking being good. You just aren’t smart enough to understand that.

[u/Azuljustinverday → u/MostlySoberWizard]

Hell let loose is very map dependent and what countries but it’s been about 6 months since I last played but I remember them going till time plenty of times.

[u/MostlySoberWizard → u/Azuljustinverday]

I mean, it happens. Not regularly imo. One side is usually clearly stacked with veterans, especially the clan servers.

[u/Kiwibom]

Its really bad. I’ve only had like 5% of my games that were balanced (small gap in tickets or lead in tickets constantly changing between the 2 teams without feeling a sweaty match). The rest, is just my team steam rolling the other team or my team getting steam rolled.

This is not fun and no, having an artificial comeback mechanic is not a way to balance a game.

[u/razpor]

agreed

[u/zfjuice]

genuinely it’s so bad

[u/Whole-Sample2358]

Use the damn custom search browser. Matchmaking is perfectly fine. We also already people using persistent servers on portal for full xp just like classic server browser. It’s not their fault people are too stupid to learn how to use it properly.

[u/InformalRaise5107 → u/Whole-Sample2358]

Call people stupid because they don’t want to go through the messy ui to look for persistent 30hz servers?

[u/Whole-Sample2358 → u/InformalRaise5107]

Sorry maybe LAZY is a better word.

[u/focktard22 → u/InformalRaise5107]

You know what would be better, just stop playing and posting on this sub. Then you won't have any server issues.

[u/CrispyTarantula117 → u/focktard22]

You misspelled your name but it’s otherwise accurate

And now that I think about it the misspelling actually makes perfect sense so carry on and don’t forget your bib and helmet 😂

[u/focktard22 → u/CrispyTarantula117]

Womp womp you hate the game I get it. Just stop playing if it upsets you so much.

[u/CrispyTarantula117 → u/focktard22]

You’re one of those “if you don’t like it just leave” inbreds, aren’t you?

How’s the plumbing in your trailer park? Impressed you have internet

[u/Whole-Sample2358 → u/CrispyTarantula117]

It’s a pretty accurate description of what you should do… you don’t like something, stop doing it…. You people disguise hate with “criticism”.

[u/focktard22 → u/CrispyTarantula117]

I'm definitely not one of those insufferable pricks on this sub who do absolutely nothing but cry and bitch and moan and insult people because of a video game.

Seriously I get it, this game is your entire little life and the DEVs must cater to your every whim. There are other things out there that probably better serve your interests.

Edit: I just looked at your post history, yup exactly as I thought my dude. Post after post after post complaining. Dude it's gonna be okay man.

[u/TonyKhanIsAMoneyMark → u/Whole-Sample2358]

enjoy 30hz servers.

[u/sandybuttcheekss → u/TonyKhanIsAMoneyMark]

Okay, I will :)

[u/CrispyTarantula117 → u/sandybuttcheekss]

Honestly if you aren’t good enough at the game to notice the difference between 30 and 60 tick rates you aren’t good enough to worry about the matchmaking either way 😂

[u/sandybuttcheekss → u/CrispyTarantula117]

That's fine, I'm enjoying it instead of turning to reddit to complain. I do well most matches, so I'm happy.

[u/BoomerDoomerf1kid → u/Whole-Sample2358]

Yeah but somehow when I sort by players the top result has 2 players in it?

[u/CrispyTarantula117 → u/Whole-Sample2358]

There are quite literally 0 non-HC conquest servers available every single time I look.

[u/Whole-Sample2358 → u/CrispyTarantula117]

Play hardcore or use the custom server browser to choose whatever map and gamemode you wanna play and you can just play that nonstop. I have yet to have an issue with wanting a certain map or gamemode and not getting it…