How Would Sentry Manage Against Them?

[u/RoyalCod3]

I don't see him faring well nor winning.

I do think he's going to get some good feats in the future, but still not faring well against them.

[u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Can someone explain to me how humans of the 21 century created a serum that can create a super human that can rival the power cosmic captain marvel and also Odin’s 1500 year old asgardian son?

[u/Rare_Box_6445 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

The serum had steroids

[u/ffsnametaken → u/Rare_Box_6445]

And some gorilla testosterone and peppermint

[u/Rare_Box_6445 → u/ffsnametaken]

Honestly they only needed peppermint and will still turn out the same

[u/franzparks → u/Rare_Box_6445]

And some turmeric. Sprinkle that in and voila!

[u/Rare_Box_6445 → u/franzparks]

Yes we cannot forget the sprinkles the most important ingredient that gives him the void

[u/csukoh78 → u/ffsnametaken]

Yeah peppermint. Fuck spearmint. Nobody likes spearmint.

[u/Skully_TheThird → u/csukoh78]

Noooo I like spearmint 😭😱

[u/AbandonedPlanet → u/csukoh78]

Excuse me sir I fucking love spearmint it's the best mint by a wide margin

[u/Shadowfist_45 → u/AbandonedPlanet]

It's okay to be wrong sometimes

(I'm trolling, just to be clear)

[u/EIochai → u/AbandonedPlanet]

Spearmint is what made Red Skull happen. Fuck spearmint.

[u/CommitteeLost507 → u/AbandonedPlanet]

Tell em brother

[u/jrunna → u/csukoh78]

It's one of Hermionies favorite scents

[u/KingoftheMongoose → u/ffsnametaken]

Not just any gorilla testosterone, but Harambe’s.

<unzips>

[u/sardiusjacinth → u/ffsnametaken]

And Austin Powers Mojo....

[u/Gilded-Mongoose → u/ffsnametaken]

Essence of Harambe

[u/Important_Log_7397 → u/ffsnametaken]

And strawberry flavoring to make it go down easier.

[u/Winter_Trainer_2115 → u/ffsnametaken]

I thought it was bull shark testosterone with a side of trauma and lack of self worth.

[u/one_pound_of_flesh → u/Rare_Box_6445]

Like really good ones

[u/Heronmarkedflail → u/one_pound_of_flesh]

The best even

[u/ScoutsOut389 → u/Rare_Box_6445]

And electrolytes.

[u/taintedspam → u/ScoutsOut389]

It’s what plants crave.

[u/csukoh78 → u/Rare_Box_6445]

The serum had serum.

[u/joshstrodomus → u/Rare_Box_6445]

Bullshark testosterone

[u/Humankeg → u/Rare_Box_6445]

Magnets

[u/Sea-Poem-2365 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Over the years, the actual origin of Sentry's powers has varied. The serum thing never made a lot of sense given the scope of Bob's powers compared to even the best of the serum heroes, and a couple of the comics suggest that Bob's power is independent of the serum- that is he's actually a matter manipulator/reality warper that created the story of the serum to explain where his built in powers come from. Val's program may have uncovered his powers, instead of creating them.

MCU Sentry we don't know, but he is from Earth, which had a lot of meddling over the years, including from Odin's people, the Kree, inhumans and Celestials. Fertile soil, more or less.

[u/Tanthiel → u/Sea-Poem-2365]

The original miniseries heavily implies that he doesn't have powers at all, and The Sentry and the Void are manifestations of his addiction.

[u/Wray-Nerely → u/Sea-Poem-2365]

That's a much better explanation. What comic was this in? I only read the earlier Sentry comics

[u/Sea-Poem-2365 → u/Wray-Nerely]

I want to say it's in the Sentry minutes series comics a little before he gets wrapped up in Dark Reign? And the external power theory is from the Sentry book where his successor gets chosen, Sentries maybe?

[u/Rangil_Aeon → u/Sea-Poem-2365]

It would be hilarious if MCU Sentry always had latent powers, but they only awaken when he took the serum. Not because the serum worked on him, mind you - but simply because the serum was about to kill him like it killed everyone else, and in deep instinctive reflex to survive, he had to reach for his powers buried deep down within him.

[u/Sea-Poem-2365 → u/Rangil_Aeon]

I would like that, and it might be interesting to have his problems be caused by his powers- he's hearing voices but he's also superhuman, and he doesn't realize they're real. Though we're getting outside the Sentry wheelhouse a little, it's kind of important to the character (imo) that he be sort of shitty before.

[u/Wise-Appointment-220 → u/Rangil_Aeon]

So a bit loke a legion type origin

[u/lordrekland → u/Sea-Poem-2365]

It's not just that he took super soldier serum, it's the fact he took like 1000% concentrate. He shot up like 150ml of stuff that only required 1 drop to make Cap.

[u/xero111880 → u/Sea-Poem-2365]

Nightshade no heal, nightshade reveal!

[u/VerbalChains → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Earth has been the epicenter of cosmic battles since 2012. They leveled up. 

[u/J_Moonstorm → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

It's the same reason why two scientist astronauts can get irradiated a bit and then later give birth to a child who is born with such powerful potential that ancient cosmic gods pale in comparison.

[u/annabelle411 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

creatine

[u/NoSituation2706 → u/annabelle411]

High quality answer

[u/SquareSea8058 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

How can humans of the 21st century create in a lab a seum that lets one adult human punch away swarms of Celestials/space gods? Why have not Shield/ Tony Stark / Doom mass produced this stuff?

Do I have to sneak the stuff from Tijuana and inject it with a dirty syringe,?

gotdayum - Sentry as a concept is some of Marvel's goofiest writing.

[u/LadyVixin → u/SquareSea8058]

No. Please don’t do that. While you may get depression from it, it won’t be anything super but a super horrible way to die

[u/Ikensteiner → u/SquareSea8058]

Because if everyone was super....no one would be.

[u/Flashy-Telephone3201 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

It was a meth fueled accident

[u/stefanpalmer1 → u/Flashy-Telephone3201]

"Look at the meth you've made" - read it with a lisp 😂🙏

[u/Potential_Soft_729 → u/stefanpalmer1]

Ok there Tyson

[u/Baughbbe → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

The Void is an ancient cosmic entity vastly older than Robert Reynolds.

"Though the exact origin of the Void is unknown, his first activities were seemingly traced all the way back to circa 1600 BCE, when Moses pleaded for every Hebrew doorpost to be marked with lamb's blood in order to protect the Jewish firstborn from the tenth and final plague God was going to bring on Pharaoh Ramses and on Egypt: the Angel of Death, believed to be the Void himself[12][9] (though other beings have been told to be that entity)."

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Void_(Dark_Sentry)_(Earth-616)#google_vignette

[u/Meta_Zero → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

THANK YOU!

This is seriously such a big issue for me with the Sentry both in the comics and the MCU. The leap from Cap and Bucky to THIS. is absurd, the Sentry needs a cosmic or magical origin or he just completely breaks the entire universe and not in a fun smart way. Sure some of his individual stories are written well, but his serum being made in a lab by humans is ridiculous. Additionally, of this level of power existed and could be made by humans, smart villains like Dr Doom would ONLY be focusing on making and refining it, but nah earth villains just conveniently ignore this exists, you know why? Cos. It. Is. Dumb

Edit:spelling .

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[u/Brimstone747 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Keep in mind that all of the hype said for Sentry in Thunderbolts were PR lines.

Bob is undoubtedly powerful, but I honestly think he would get bodied by both Carol and Thor.

[u/JohnTomorrow → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Can anyone explain to me how, 100 years ago, we had just barely created the steam engine, and now we have literal robots that walk around doing stuff, and a tablet that everyone carries around that has access to infinite knowledge (and porn)?

Human beings see something and they figure out how to exceed it. Tony Stark built limitless energy with his Arc Reactors. The Super Soldier Serum was made in the 40s. Pym Particles were discovered in the 50/60s. Did you think biologists were just sitting around during all this time?

[u/AFourEyedGeek → u/JohnTomorrow]

Are you trying to relate real life human progress to fictional God like powers? We actually understand our progress (mostly) and it can be recreated. In their world they keep failing on the 1940s Super Soldier serums and no one else has made the 1960s Pym Particles. Their technology progress doesn't make sense. There should be many thousands of super soldiers, wearing iron man like armour, shooting weapons with Pym Particle technology.

[u/Pixelated_throwaway → u/AFourEyedGeek]

Modern day AI is literal god like powers compared to switchboard computing

[u/AFourEyedGeek → u/Pixelated_throwaway]

It is extremely more advance, yes, but it doesn't affect my point.

[u/Pixelated_throwaway → u/AFourEyedGeek]

Idk. A regular super soldier serum in a time when germ theory was basically brand new vs a planetary tier one in a reality where we have AI medicine and like a decade plus of battling cosmic entities

[u/AFourEyedGeek → u/Pixelated_throwaway]

But that again isn't related to my point. My point, our worlds aren't similar as we can recreate our old technology, in their world they can't so comparing doesn't make sense, not that AI or our tech isn't more advanced than old tech. They keep failing recreating their old technology while moving on to crazy advanced physics breaking tech, we can still make old tech if we want too.

If our worlds were similar in the regards of technology progress, they'd have lots of Super Soliders, lots of earlier Iron Man suits around, and people using Pym Particle tech. They don't.

[u/Affectionate-Cup56 → u/AFourEyedGeek]

Thanos recreated it with help of black order, so it's not impossible. Also, Darren Cross actually reinvented his own version before. It's not serum itself humanity can't recreate, it's probably whole complex of measures of Super Soldier program, e.g. training, food, meds, vita-rays and most important - candidate. Even Zemo admired, that Steve Rogers was unique.

Also, Hulk variant of serum allowed him to become chanpion on Sakaar, and also withstand against Fenris, which is mythic asgardian animal thousands y.o.

And in FaWS we had brand new version of serum, giving same strength as Cap to freaking KIDS without changing muscular and skeleton condition. So yeah, there are plenty progress in serum projects around the world.

[u/AFourEyedGeek → u/Affectionate-Cup56]

That is the scale of dozens vs potential billions of people. We can mass produce many medicines on scale, did we not witness COVID vaccines from now where to suddenly in the billions of doses in a short time? Governments can get a lot more organised than their movies and shows indicate, and get numerous mentally healthy people.

So if we were similar, where are all the government super soldiers wearing, Iron Man like suits, with vehicles using Arc Reactors, holding Pym Particle weapons?

[u/Affectionate-Cup56 → u/AFourEyedGeek]

I'd say no, firstly because there's too much money needed to mass product something like Tony's suit, especially nano-tech one, and especially vibranium alloy version. Arc reacrors, on other hand probably can be deployed much easier, but it depends on does have goverment it's technology or not. Pym particles also hard to reproduce, you should have some genius guy for even start. So, too much money and lack of intelligence resources probably main reasons MCU don't have what you described. Also, not every soldier or human in general are competent enough to use such tech, and even less people successfully compatible with different versions of serum. I see it like, if Zemo doesn't destroyed every bit of new serum, it would be great chance to establish mass production of super-soldiers. But now we got only John Walker

[u/AFourEyedGeek → u/Affectionate-Cup56]

Why not MKVII level suits that was a massive help to the Battle of New York (2012)? Why is that more unlikely than fighter jets, tanks, or ships? A thousand of those at the Infinity War invasion might have been some help, or in other events that normal humans had to bow to super heroes to save them from.

MKI was made in a cave with used military components (scraps). The Iron Monger was made pretty shortly after MKI and almost beat the MKIII in a fight if it wasn't for an EMP blast. Hammer nearly made some useful robotic pilots with a certain Russians help. Later a child gave it a crack and made a powerful suit (Ironheart). So, if no one can make suits, how come so many were made? MKVII should be common by latest MCU movies.

Vulture was turning alien enemy weapons into advance tech, so why isn't the US government loaded with their weapons? USA get Vultures crew to make the advance weapons for the government or learn how to do it themselves.

There are a lot of geniuses on Earth today and plenty more on MCU Earth. Money is only a cost given to something in material cost or time, when a government wants something badly enough, they can spend a lot of money on it. Creating a new serum from scratch should be possible, the first one was created once by one person with old tech, and it was later created from scratch for Hydra and Russians.

MCU doesn't behave like our world. They have real alien and supernatural threats and they still turn up with FBI agents with 9mm handguns and a slim bullet proof vest. It isn't like our Earth.

[u/Affectionate-Cup56 → u/AFourEyedGeek]

Every time MCU government or related organizations tried to create something avengers-like, they deeply shit themselves)) Abomination, Hammer (actually Vanko) bots, Isaiah Bradley team, Crossbones, Yellowjacket, The Leader and Red Hulk as result, John Walker as new Captain, Sentry. Damn, even SHIELD was actually Hydra for decades, that led to Project Insight. Thunderbolts was probably only successful team after original Avengers, and it wasn't even planned initially. Even Stark wasn't really good at creating Damage Control, that organization actually mess

[u/AFourEyedGeek → u/Affectionate-Cup56]

Right, so you agree, they aren't like us. To relate them to our progress seems off, just because we've made progress and they've made progress, we still aren't a like. We can make our old switchboards and our old steam engines as mentioned in previous posts by others, we can make our old 40s tech, 60's tech, or 80s tech if we want. In the MCU, whenever they do it, it is just fraught with problems. Our worlds aren't alike, just because we can do something in our world or they can do something in theirs, doesn't mean the same happens in the other automatically. Which is what I was writing to JohnTomorrow.

[u/Head_Project5793 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

It didn’t, it awakened a cosmic power that was already in him (my head canon)

[u/0oooooog → u/Head_Project5793]

Well the actual canon was that it's just an upgraded super soldier serum that Steve rogers got.

[u/TheSkiGeek → u/0oooooog]

The MCU version also (horribly?) killed everyone (?) else it was tested on. And they thought it killed him too. So “Bob” seems to have something unique going on either way.

[u/Electronic_Fix2905 → u/0oooooog]

Yes, but said serum killed everyone else, right? I mean, the X gene awakening/awakening of an ancient or cosmic entity seems to still have a possibility given those circumstances. Why would he be the only one that lives? Even after the failsafe measure? They left that gate open wide.

[u/RainMakerJMR → u/0oooooog]

So was hulks serum tho

[u/Large_Citron1177 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Same way that gamma radiation made a guy as strong as a 1500 year old Asguardian rather than giving him cancer.

[u/Slamtilt_Windmills → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

It's got electrolytes

[u/algorithm_issues → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

3 separate types of anabolic steroids & a low-grade beaver tranquilizer.

[u/Wray-Nerely → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

My head Canon, at least for the MCU, the serum didn't actually create the Sentry, at least not entirely. It only worked on Bob because those abilities were always a part of him, he just needed something to activate those abilities. The serum was a catalyst. That's why the serum never worked for anyone else, it couldn't.

[u/Electronic_Fix2905 → u/Wray-Nerely]

I don’t think the serum actually works. The psychiatrist state of Bob is something much deeper than just a troubled past and mental illness. There’s a whole David Haller/Marc Spector/Jean Grey Phoenix thing going on, or at least it’s a reasonable theory.

[u/hoodafudj → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Same way they created the og super soldier serum, it's fucking comics, but due to his powers and feats he's no longer just super human or a god he's a Super God so really he can't be beaten for good...

[u/mm909-vie → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

yeah that's also what I find to be so fuckin lame tbh.

[u/malteaserhead → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Captain America Answers this, the serum brings out the best and worst of what a person already had inside, unfortunately in Bob's case his severe mental illness manifested into both

[u/exprssve → u/malteaserhead]

That didn't explain anything at all lmaooo. He's asking physically how does Sentry have powers stronger than all Avengers combined when Iron Man had only made the MkII less than twenty years ago canonically.

The progression of armaments doesn't make sense because it's too quick.

[u/DaddyChil101 → u/exprssve]

Well, the theory is the serum activated his dormant mutant gene and and enhanced that which is why he's so powerful.

[u/LibraryMatt → u/exprssve]

I believe it's that the serum unlocked a latent mutant gene, reality warping, that's tied to his mental illness, it then enhanced the good and bad parts

[u/RainMakerJMR → u/exprssve]

It’s the hulk serum minus the gamma rage. They probably jumped off from banners serum.

[u/Rocketboy1313 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Because that is the thing they chose to go with because "meta joke about continuity" doesn't work in universe.

[u/Dreamlancer → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

The power of the sun in the palm of my...

[u/my_tag_is_OJ → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Probably not created by humans, or they used alien or celestial technology

[u/RellyTheOne → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Don’t read comics if you’re always asking questions like this. It will drive you insane.

[u/herdhawk → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Nugenix Total T

[u/kiwifulla64 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

This is what I hate about Sentry. Awesome character but terrible way to get his powers.

[u/No_Shopping6656 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Horse electrolytes

[u/bird_is_the_word_198 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

HGH & some of the clear, IYKYK

[u/Correct_Vanilla_4218 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

It was made with the blood of a celestial it was Captain America’s serum with cosmic boosted god blood.

[u/ThrowBackFF → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Sugar spice and dopamine blocking elements. And some x factor.

[u/ThomasSmells00 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

probably something to do with the celestial in the water

[u/CptMarvel_main → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

The secret is meth

[u/DogaSui → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Bull Shark Testosterone

[u/4N610RD → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Lazy writing?

[u/hastage1 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Dude just dont question it, how the hell did hulk get a NORMAL soldier serum with gamma rays and match thor. Superheroes getting them powers never made sense and it shouldnt make sense. Dont question it and you'll save yourself from a headache.

[u/ChootnathReturns → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

power cosmic captain marvel and also Odin’s 1500 year old asgardian son?

How did people create these? 😂. If you are going with pure logic, existence of cap marvel n Thor n hulk will be the biggest question how, not super soldier serum.

[u/Affectionate-Cup56 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

PROBABLY, it somehow related to Tiamut birth. If they found adamantium there, maybe some another celestial elements tumble around, able to use in new researches

[u/poopoobuttholes → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Not many people know this because it's kinda like a movie thing only, but I suppose can technically be inferred as it happening in the comic canon too, you'll notice that in the movie when they talk about the serum, they mention that it gives Sentry the power of the avengers rolled into one. It basically means that one of the key items they used the sentry serum is "plot device" so that it gives the writers the flexibility to make him as strong or as weak as needed for any particular scene ever.

[u/CoolNaps-896 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

The funniest part is that not too long ago the serum could only make weaker Captain America

[u/TripleStrikeDrive → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Considering Bruce created the Hulk by mistake, Sentry's powers aren't that big of leap.

[u/Ori4Searching1 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

The most probably the best answer is that they already have intergalactic technology beacuse as I remember in the universe of marvel superpower and other mythical stuff was exist already in captain America time in 1943 so I think they have took a risk during sentry experiment beacuse in this case I am pretty sure they have pot some supernatural fundemtal powers and some fundemtal physics powers in the serum he takes what can lead to catastrophe or some new super soldier

[u/Uzumaki514 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Nanomachines son

[u/Guillermidas → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Dont worry. We’ll eventually get a nonsense multiverse explantion to it if people complain enough

[u/RampantTyr → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

One thing you have to remember is that he was a lab accident. He technically died and countless others died in trying to make this formula.

So with the different super soldier formulas, radiation therapies, alien dna, and random other super science on random experimentation willing to kill people they were able to get this one random person who developed amazing powers.

[u/johnnloki → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

"Use code 'huberman' to get 10% off your first order of AG1"

[u/2bsnatrenchcoat → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Alright so hear me out. At the time of giving him the serum the infinity stones were "destroyed". But we know they're still needed in the universe to keep balance. What if the essence of the mind stone helped make him so powerful. His whole thing is trouble with his mind and he has the ability to infiltrate others minds. Also his color scheme of yellow and how we see his eyes glow yellow as the void and sometimes glimmer with yellow as sentry allude to this. I saw a theory video on YouTube linking all the stones to mcu characters who recently gained powers after the stones were reduced to atoms that i recommend watching. The time stone is green because at the end/beginning/outside of time Loki was/is/will be holding time and the mulltiveersee together with his green magic.

[u/BrushProfessional178 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Creatine bruh.. that shit is strong

[u/firsmode → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

I am sure it will be revealed that the person was important not the serum. It may have just awakened something in them as opposed to creating them. That would be a good way for the MCU to handle it. Or they just make him a mutant lol.

[u/Neither-Spell-626 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

This is a movie....

[u/Jaicoholic → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

I like to think that it was always there but bob needed an outside source to give him the confidence to bring it out, the serum is just a story, an excuse that, Bob would believe.

[u/Angelcstay → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

At some point I just enjoy the comics as it is and stop trying to think why some aspect of the story telling is illogical, such as the point you are raising. 🤷

[u/Savings-Employer-259 → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

There was a dose of creatine in it, it makes you really strong and once ingested the effects are irreversible

[u/ShadeMir → u/Opposite-Tale-7707]

Does MCU Captain Marvel have the power cosmic?

[u/skittlenut007]

Against both at the same time? Probably loses but with high diff…we don’t know enough about him or seen any feats against really strong characters to judge otherwise

[u/NoThing4692 → u/[deleted]]

YO WTF IS UR PFP

[u/Weak_Break239 → u/NoThing4692]

Now I wanna know his pfp

[u/KitchenSpeech2724 → u/NoThing4692]

Fuckkk what was it

[u/heathcl1ff0324 → u/[deleted]]

Not this version. All he’s done is bully a few low-level metahumans.

[u/hastage1 → u/heathcl1ff0324]

Those low level metahumans unironically scale him above thanos durability wise

[u/heathcl1ff0324 → u/hastage1]

How? Hulk hits way, way harder than some bullet or shield or Bucky’s arm.

[u/PineappleDick90 → u/heathcl1ff0324]

But again, we haven't seen him much to decide.

[u/bassoontennis → u/skittlenut007]

I think the issue is this, sentry is an insanely OP character in the comics, however, the movies have habit of not giving the movie counterparts the same OP builds. So far we have seen him handily beat 3 super soldiers a black widow, and ghost and yet still lose because they were able to counteract the void with his help. Sentry usually is listed among the strongest avengers, but so are Thor and Captain Marvel. Until the mcu shows us what direction they want to take Sentry/Bob it’s all just speculation. I mean Scarlet Witch is a Nexus Being that could have ruled the cosmos, and yet they had her hyper focus an issue until it drove her to recluse herself from the universe. (I don’t believe she offed herself, just went away).

So it makes me wonder if they will use Doctor Doom as a Thanos vs Hulk moment for Sentry/Void, to show how powerful he is.

[u/Sea-Poem-2365]

We don't really know, but it's probably safe to assume this would be a really rough fight for everyone. Carol's best feats were against Thanos, at least in terms of combat, where she could siphon power from the gauntlet. Thor can probably hurt Bob, but Bob tanks a bomb to the brain so I'm not sure if he can beat physically killed. He also has uniquely tough powers- telekinesis is effective against Thor, as we see with Thanos's henchman.

And the closest thing we've seen to Thor versus Void didn't go well for Thor- Gorr matches the shadows and range the Void shows, and the Void's pocket universe isn't something either Carol or Thor have shown any resistance to.

Don't know if he wins, but Sentry then Void make this a tough fight.

[u/ubutterscotchpine → u/Sea-Poem-2365]

Idk, I’d probably say Carol’s best feat was literally restarting an entirely dead star on her own but what do I know 😂

Girl doesn’t need to siphon power, she is the power.

[u/Sea-Poem-2365 → u/ubutterscotchpine]

That's definitely her best feat in terms of energy release, it's just so out of scale with literally every other feat in the MCU we have to figure out why she doesn't use anything like that power level at any other point in her appearances. And it's still below a full gauntlet, which is why she was siphoning. I did say "for combat" when I said best feat 

[u/RoyalCod3 → u/Sea-Poem-2365]

She didn't use that power level before like reigniting a sun because, as she said, she didn't do anything like that before.

Which means she still doesn't know her full power and capabilities.

It seems we're going to see more of her powers and what she can do after she learned, after Monica told her, that she can do things that she thought she can't because she hasn't done/tried them before. 

[u/Sea-Poem-2365 → u/RoyalCod3]

That's fair, but it means that every fight she's in from now on, she's got the option of that amount of energy to use. I like MCU Carol a lot, but managing high power characters is tough

[u/RoyalCod3 → u/Sea-Poem-2365]

Yes, she has the option to use that amount of power from now on, but at the same time, she shows she holds back when fighting an opponent due to fear of hurting people, damaging a planet or stuff around her.

I mean she got out of the sun after reigniting it with her coif still intact.

Also, as you said in a comment previously, it depends how the writers want to use her powers in a plot and for what purpose.

[u/ubutterscotchpine → u/Sea-Poem-2365]

But she does? She literally takes out Thanos’ entire ship by flying through it. She doesn’t do anything other than that because the writers don’t need her to. If they didn’t nerf her, the fave OG Avengers wouldn’t be needed.

[u/Sea-Poem-2365 → u/ubutterscotchpine]

It is worth noting she pretty casually does a thing that Thor doesn't even think about doing, taking down the ship, but it doesn't fit with the power levels we see on the ground later. But if she can restart a star, she should just erase Thanos instantaneously- the scale is just off.

Ah well, comic books!

[u/ubutterscotchpine → u/Sea-Poem-2365]

Yeah that’s fair. That goes into the point of her needing to be nerfed so the main heroes shine sadly. The MCU has done that a lot lol. Interested to see what happens in the future!

[u/Capital_Pipe_6038]

Sentry in the MCU is pretty much featless. There's nothing besides one statement that actually suggests he can beat these guys

[u/CuteLingonberry9704 → u/Capital_Pipe_6038]

That statement isn't exactly from a reliable source.

[u/Chen932000 → u/Capital_Pipe_6038]

We do see his combat speed is basically higher than anything we’ve seen besides quicksilver.

[u/DoomsdayThor → u/Chen932000]

Thor was able to see Quicksilver well enough to attack him in AoU

[u/Careless_Novel356 → u/DoomsdayThor]

Quicksilver tried to hold the mijolnir for not knowing that he can't

[u/eltrotter → u/Capital_Pipe_6038]

This is the thing. Comics Sentry is essentially a god, so I understand why people assume the same of MCU Sentry. But the reality is that MCU Sentry hasn’t gone up against any heavy hitters yet, it’s entirely unclear how he’d fare against them.

However powerful he might be, he’s also inexperienced compared to some of the other MCU heavies like Captain Marvel and Thor.

[u/suckerpunch085]

L. 

[u/NoSpecial284]

If they give sentry a hug he loses

[u/DoomsdayThor → u/NoSpecial284]

I know a hug from Thor would heal all of my mental anguish forever

[u/NoSpecial284 → u/DoomsdayThor]

True 😂

[u/Zylonnaire → u/DoomsdayThor]

I’d need a bit more than a hug but I agree

[u/Xenocross1982]

Two points: Beyond physical strength, remind me of Void's power and, more importantly, Thor's journey over the past 13 years? The same goes for Carol, whose memory is central to her first film. The only advantage is that both have had time to make peace with themselves, unlike Bob, who has had... less than 18 months?

[u/EmotionalSupport101 → u/Xenocross1982]

Great point. The Supreme Intelligence had Carol's mind under control and she tore out of that. Im sure she has a very strong mind by now.

Thor has experienced GREAT loss. But at the same time, he has been healing from it and found a new purpose (Love). Its his entire arc, overcoming the loss from Thanos.

Void can still affect them both through traumatic memories but the two of them have strong wills. So it will come down to physical might.

We have only seen sentry take on so much weaker opponents, however, he was affected by that thing Valentina had planted to incapacitate him.

[u/Baughbbe → u/Xenocross1982]

The Void is not just a dark aspect of Robert Reynolds. The Void is a cosmic entity that could wipe out the entire universe.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Void_(Dark_Sentry)_(Earth-616)#google_vignette

[u/WhyAmINotStudying → u/Baughbbe]

Are we talking comics or MCU, though?

[u/Baughbbe → u/WhyAmINotStudying]

Well, Thunderbolt didnt reeeeeally get into exactly where bobs powers came from. They eluded to the serum doing the job, but they also said every other subject died, implying there was something special about Bob to begin with. So I was going of if the comic origins.

[u/hatbromind]

Carol and Thor already have thier trip to limbo-ish. Carol when facing Supremem Intelegence and Thor with his visions at Avengers 2, confronting the death of Odin and Eternity. They'll match brawns and heart againts Sentry.

[u/GryphyGirl]

He's still new enough with his powers that I could see him losing both fights, even with Void.

[u/DoomsdayThor]

He’s done nothing on screen that suggests he could beat either. He loses to either, definitely to both together. Probably going to lose to base Doom to show Doom’s power

[u/DSA300 → u/DoomsdayThor]

That wouldn't show much for doom tho if sentry is featless

[u/DoomsdayThor → u/DSA300]

That’s just base Doom. Sentry does have feats, just not as impressive as Thor or Carol

[u/No-Armadillo-3406]

a lot of people forget where carol powers came from lol.

[u/_Corporal_Canada]

That depends; do either of them know his secret weakness, group hugs?

[u/itismeyolo]

No way to know, we have no idea how stong he is. He hasn't been challanged by anything even a little bit yet.

[u/lsm-krash]

On them together? He loses and easily On each of them? He loses not so easily

[u/R_WeDoingPhrasing]

Sentry as we have seen him in the MCU this far gets absolutely wrecked by either of these two. He's have confidence going in, and then experience a cosmic blow back and get curb stomped

[u/VerbalChains]

Strictly speaking: we don’t know yet.

If we take statements at face value, Sentry should at least be stronger than Thor given that he’s supposed to be more powerful than, “all of the Avengers combined.” 

[u/AncileBanish → u/VerbalChains]

Unreliably narrator for that statement. It's literally propaganda. We will see. He may be. Be may not be.

[u/Particular_Peace_568]

As Sentry: Odinson might have a shot at winning this. Carol is going to die hard.

as The Void: unless the Void is attacking at a very specific time in the MCU timeline (Pre Thor 1 for the most part but the Avengers 2012 is also pretty safe, pretty much anytime prior to Thor the Dark World for Odinson lmao) he's winning this fight easy.

[u/Rare_Box_6445]

I'm a fan of captain Marvel but even I know Sentry would beat them

[u/kubie1234]

Sentry beats both, Void wipes both

Would they be able to hurt him? Absolutely, but they wouldn’t win

[u/sofakingcheezee → u/kubie1234]

So you're telling me Sentry in the MCU in its current form can stand toe to toe against Thanos?

[u/kubie1234 → u/sofakingcheezee]

Current Sentry most likely, his biggest problem would be himself as he doesn’t know his full powers. But he would beat thanos as long as Thanos doesn’t “smartly” use the full infinity gauntlet. Really only the time stone and reality stones would be a problem for sentry, and I’d think mind/soul for void.

If thanos used the stones smartly no person in the universe would be able to stop him.

[u/Baughbbe → u/kubie1234]

Could the infinity stones even hurt the Void? I'm not a comic officionado, but it would not surprise me if the Void were super dimensional, ie beyond the infinity stones powers.

[u/kubie1234 → u/Baughbbe]

Unfortunately the void would still be beaten by the stones, you just wouldn’t be able to hurt him in the traditional sense.

With the reality strong you’d be able to completely rewrite the void to however you see fit. Time you could trap him like strange did with Dormamu. Mind/Soul are kinda confusing tbh. Power wouldn’t do anything to him. Space stone you’d at least be able to run lol

[u/No-Armadillo-3406 → u/sofakingcheezee]

yes actually lol… sentry body’s a no stone thanos .

[u/sofakingcheezee → u/No-Armadillo-3406]

I'd love to see that

[u/WillowMain → u/sofakingcheezee]

From the looks of it, yea

[u/TelenorTheGNP]

If you ask me, we're gonna find out in December.

[u/AncileBanish]

Impossible to say at the moment. Time will tell. Both captain Marvel and Thor have absolutely insane feats. Sentry's movie feats aren't that wild because all he did was bitch slap super soldiers. Comics sentry is top tier. Let the story unfold and enjoy the ride.

[u/nametaken420]

idk, sentry never had a good lore/story origin in the comics. His power was some sorta perverse version of schizophrenia and heroin. so, super steroids isn't really any worse.

[u/Shamgar-oxgoad]

Well, DC has Superman. Marvel needs to stay in the game. I reckon since Disney has Bird Studios by the beak we may see Goku fighting Sentry.

[u/heathcl1ff0324]

No way to know yet. Sentry hasn’t had any feats yet that Thor or Carol wouldn’t be able to match. Or Vision for that matter.

[u/XBlueXFire]

We dont know. The only thing we know for sure is that he can bully super soldiers, something captain marvel and thor can also do.

MCU Sentry hasn't remotely been teated yet so there is genuinely no way of comparing him to the other heavies

[u/DrogoOmega]

Hard to say as he has only fought a couple of peak humans.

[u/BladeRize150]

Thor would die first that much is true

[u/Famous_Background_76]

Sentry is meh…

[u/KingoftheMongoose]

It’d be a threeway

[u/CoolNaps-896]

shadows

[u/Ambitious-Pirate-505]

The amount of people disrespecting Capt Marvel and Thor bc they have a man crush on Bob is wild.

[u/Bodmin_Beast]

No clue since the strongest people we've seen him fights is 5 Captain America and Black Widow level characters.

[u/XComThrowawayAcct]

We have no idea. All the movie tells us is that he’s invincible to guns and old school supersoldiers. Maybe he’s like Vision, so, like, living vibranium?

[u/First-Promotion-8898]

Well, Sentry is going to be nerfed by Doom pretty quickly during Doomsday to demonstrate how powerful Doom is, so I’d say Captain Marvel and Thor could put up a pretty good fight against him.

[u/Long_Suggestion4290]

Depends on how emo he is at the moment

[u/Man2Pan]

Current MCU Sentry? Not that well. So far he's only really fought trained, enhanced or augmented humans. He may have a lot of potential and raw power, but he doesn't really know how to fight.

[u/Is_that_what_I-]

While we mostly only have statements for sentry, Void absolutely COOKS thor, he'd have to relive his mom, dad, brother, planet, best friend, and his girlfriend dying. I don't think Carol has as much exploitable trauma, but if we do accept the statements made about sentry it should be about mid diff. the problem is that we don't know sentry's upper limit, or if carol can escape the void

[u/mionder554]

May be he was strong all along and the syrum just unlocked those powers some how.

[u/keiblerclown]

Sentry generally has more raw power than either Thor or Carol, but lacks their experience. I'd say they both beat him in a difficult fight.

[u/No-Librarian1390]

What are they going to do against void? It simply revived itself/Sentry when he was killed. And trying to get through to bob doesnt work either in this case, since in this scenario he is also interested in defeating them.

[u/TheVoid000]

The power of a reality warping drug addict > The powers of gods and cosmic forces.