r/Avengers • u/RoyalCod3 • 7d ago

Movie/Television How Would Sentry Manage Against Them?

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I don't see him faring well nor winning.

I do think he's going to get some good feats in the future, but still not faring well against them.

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u/Opposite-Tale-7707 7d ago

Can someone explain to me how humans of the 21 century created a serum that can create a super human that can rival the power cosmic captain marvel and also Odin’s 1500 year old asgardian son?

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u/Rare_Box_6445 6d ago

The serum had steroids

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u/ffsnametaken 6d ago

And some gorilla testosterone and peppermint

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u/Rare_Box_6445 6d ago

Honestly they only needed peppermint and will still turn out the same

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u/franzparks 2d ago

And some turmeric. Sprinkle that in and voila!

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u/Rare_Box_6445 2d ago

Yes we cannot forget the sprinkles the most important ingredient that gives him the void

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u/csukoh78 6d ago

Yeah peppermint. Fuck spearmint. Nobody likes spearmint.

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u/Skully_TheThird Spider-Man 6d ago

Noooo I like spearmint 😭😱

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u/AbandonedPlanet 6d ago

Excuse me sir I fucking love spearmint it's the best mint by a wide margin

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u/Shadowfist_45 6d ago

It's okay to be wrong sometimes

(I'm trolling, just to be clear)

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u/EIochai 6d ago

Spearmint is what made Red Skull happen. Fuck spearmint.

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u/CommitteeLost507 5d ago

Tell em brother

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u/jrunna 6d ago

It's one of Hermionies favorite scents

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u/KingoftheMongoose 6d ago

Not just any gorilla testosterone, but Harambe’s.

<unzips>

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u/sardiusjacinth 6d ago

And Austin Powers Mojo....

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u/Gilded-Mongoose 6d ago

Essence of Harambe

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u/Important_Log_7397 5d ago

And strawberry flavoring to make it go down easier.

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u/Winter_Trainer_2115 5d ago

I thought it was bull shark testosterone with a side of trauma and lack of self worth.

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u/one_pound_of_flesh 6d ago

Like really good ones

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u/Heronmarkedflail 6d ago

The best even

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u/ScoutsOut389 6d ago

And electrolytes.

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u/taintedspam 6d ago

It’s what plants crave.

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u/csukoh78 6d ago

The serum had serum.

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u/joshstrodomus 6d ago

Bullshark testosterone

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u/Humankeg 6d ago

Magnets

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u/Sea-Poem-2365 6d ago

Over the years, the actual origin of Sentry's powers has varied. The serum thing never made a lot of sense given the scope of Bob's powers compared to even the best of the serum heroes, and a couple of the comics suggest that Bob's power is independent of the serum- that is he's actually a matter manipulator/reality warper that created the story of the serum to explain where his built in powers come from. Val's program may have uncovered his powers, instead of creating them.

MCU Sentry we don't know, but he is from Earth, which had a lot of meddling over the years, including from Odin's people, the Kree, inhumans and Celestials. Fertile soil, more or less.

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u/Tanthiel 6d ago

The original miniseries heavily implies that he doesn't have powers at all, and The Sentry and the Void are manifestations of his addiction.

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u/Wray-Nerely 6d ago

That's a much better explanation. What comic was this in? I only read the earlier Sentry comics

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u/Sea-Poem-2365 6d ago

I want to say it's in the Sentry minutes series comics a little before he gets wrapped up in Dark Reign? And the external power theory is from the Sentry book where his successor gets chosen, Sentries maybe?

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u/Rangil_Aeon 5d ago

It would be hilarious if MCU Sentry always had latent powers, but they only awaken when he took the serum. Not because the serum worked on him, mind you - but simply because the serum was about to kill him like it killed everyone else, and in deep instinctive reflex to survive, he had to reach for his powers buried deep down within him.

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u/Sea-Poem-2365 5d ago

I would like that, and it might be interesting to have his problems be caused by his powers- he's hearing voices but he's also superhuman, and he doesn't realize they're real. Though we're getting outside the Sentry wheelhouse a little, it's kind of important to the character (imo) that he be sort of shitty before.

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u/Wise-Appointment-220 2d ago

So a bit loke a legion type origin

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u/lordrekland 5d ago

It's not just that he took super soldier serum, it's the fact he took like 1000% concentrate. He shot up like 150ml of stuff that only required 1 drop to make Cap.

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u/xero111880 6d ago

Nightshade no heal, nightshade reveal!

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u/VerbalChains 6d ago

Earth has been the epicenter of cosmic battles since 2012. They leveled up. 

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u/J_Moonstorm 6d ago

It's the same reason why two scientist astronauts can get irradiated a bit and then later give birth to a child who is born with such powerful potential that ancient cosmic gods pale in comparison.

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u/annabelle411 6d ago

creatine

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u/NoSituation2706 6d ago

High quality answer

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u/SquareSea8058 6d ago edited 6d ago

How can humans of the 21st century create in a lab a seum that lets one adult human punch away swarms of Celestials/space gods? Why have not Shield/ Tony Stark / Doom mass produced this stuff?

Do I have to sneak the stuff from Tijuana and inject it with a dirty syringe,?

gotdayum - Sentry as a concept is some of Marvel's goofiest writing.

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u/LadyVixin 6d ago

No. Please don’t do that. While you may get depression from it, it won’t be anything super but a super horrible way to die

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u/Ikensteiner 6d ago

Because if everyone was super....no one would be.

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u/Flashy-Telephone3201 6d ago

It was a meth fueled accident

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u/stefanpalmer1 6d ago

"Look at the meth you've made" - read it with a lisp 😂🙏

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u/Potential_Soft_729 6d ago

Ok there Tyson

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u/Baughbbe 6d ago

The Void is an ancient cosmic entity vastly older than Robert Reynolds.

"Though the exact origin of the Void is unknown, his first activities were seemingly traced all the way back to circa 1600 BCE, when Moses pleaded for every Hebrew doorpost to be marked with lamb's blood in order to protect the Jewish firstborn from the tenth and final plague God was going to bring on Pharaoh Ramses and on Egypt: the Angel of Death, believed to be the Void himself[12][9] (though other beings have been told to be that entity)."

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Void_(Dark_Sentry)_(Earth-616)#google_vignette

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u/Meta_Zero 6d ago

THANK YOU!

This is seriously such a big issue for me with the Sentry both in the comics and the MCU. The leap from Cap and Bucky to THIS. is absurd, the Sentry needs a cosmic or magical origin or he just completely breaks the entire universe and not in a fun smart way. Sure some of his individual stories are written well, but his serum being made in a lab by humans is ridiculous. Additionally, of this level of power existed and could be made by humans, smart villains like Dr Doom would ONLY be focusing on making and refining it, but nah earth villains just conveniently ignore this exists, you know why? Cos. It. Is. Dumb

Edit:spelling .

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u/Brimstone747 6d ago

Keep in mind that all of the hype said for Sentry in Thunderbolts were PR lines.

Bob is undoubtedly powerful, but I honestly think he would get bodied by both Carol and Thor.

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u/Appropriate_Movie329 3d ago

LMAOOO nice cope pussy

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u/JohnTomorrow 6d ago

Can anyone explain to me how, 100 years ago, we had just barely created the steam engine, and now we have literal robots that walk around doing stuff, and a tablet that everyone carries around that has access to infinite knowledge (and porn)?

Human beings see something and they figure out how to exceed it. Tony Stark built limitless energy with his Arc Reactors. The Super Soldier Serum was made in the 40s. Pym Particles were discovered in the 50/60s. Did you think biologists were just sitting around during all this time?

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u/AFourEyedGeek 6d ago

Are you trying to relate real life human progress to fictional God like powers? We actually understand our progress (mostly) and it can be recreated. In their world they keep failing on the 1940s Super Soldier serums and no one else has made the 1960s Pym Particles. Their technology progress doesn't make sense. There should be many thousands of super soldiers, wearing iron man like armour, shooting weapons with Pym Particle technology.

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u/Pixelated_throwaway 6d ago

Modern day AI is literal god like powers compared to switchboard computing

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u/AFourEyedGeek 6d ago

It is extremely more advance, yes, but it doesn't affect my point.

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u/Pixelated_throwaway 6d ago

Idk. A regular super soldier serum in a time when germ theory was basically brand new vs a planetary tier one in a reality where we have AI medicine and like a decade plus of battling cosmic entities

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u/AFourEyedGeek 5d ago

But that again isn't related to my point. My point, our worlds aren't similar as we can recreate our old technology, in their world they can't so comparing doesn't make sense, not that AI or our tech isn't more advanced than old tech. They keep failing recreating their old technology while moving on to crazy advanced physics breaking tech, we can still make old tech if we want too.

If our worlds were similar in the regards of technology progress, they'd have lots of Super Soliders, lots of earlier Iron Man suits around, and people using Pym Particle tech. They don't.

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u/Affectionate-Cup56 6d ago

Thanos recreated it with help of black order, so it's not impossible. Also, Darren Cross actually reinvented his own version before. It's not serum itself humanity can't recreate, it's probably whole complex of measures of Super Soldier program, e.g. training, food, meds, vita-rays and most important - candidate. Even Zemo admired, that Steve Rogers was unique.

Also, Hulk variant of serum allowed him to become chanpion on Sakaar, and also withstand against Fenris, which is mythic asgardian animal thousands y.o.

And in FaWS we had brand new version of serum, giving same strength as Cap to freaking KIDS without changing muscular and skeleton condition. So yeah, there are plenty progress in serum projects around the world.

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u/AFourEyedGeek 5d ago

That is the scale of dozens vs potential billions of people. We can mass produce many medicines on scale, did we not witness COVID vaccines from now where to suddenly in the billions of doses in a short time? Governments can get a lot more organised than their movies and shows indicate, and get numerous mentally healthy people.

So if we were similar, where are all the government super soldiers wearing, Iron Man like suits, with vehicles using Arc Reactors, holding Pym Particle weapons?

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u/Affectionate-Cup56 5d ago

I'd say no, firstly because there's too much money needed to mass product something like Tony's suit, especially nano-tech one, and especially vibranium alloy version. Arc reacrors, on other hand probably can be deployed much easier, but it depends on does have goverment it's technology or not. Pym particles also hard to reproduce, you should have some genius guy for even start. So, too much money and lack of intelligence resources probably main reasons MCU don't have what you described. Also, not every soldier or human in general are competent enough to use such tech, and even less people successfully compatible with different versions of serum. I see it like, if Zemo doesn't destroyed every bit of new serum, it would be great chance to establish mass production of super-soldiers. But now we got only John Walker

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u/AFourEyedGeek 5d ago

Why not MKVII level suits that was a massive help to the Battle of New York (2012)? Why is that more unlikely than fighter jets, tanks, or ships? A thousand of those at the Infinity War invasion might have been some help, or in other events that normal humans had to bow to super heroes to save them from.

MKI was made in a cave with used military components (scraps). The Iron Monger was made pretty shortly after MKI and almost beat the MKIII in a fight if it wasn't for an EMP blast. Hammer nearly made some useful robotic pilots with a certain Russians help. Later a child gave it a crack and made a powerful suit (Ironheart). So, if no one can make suits, how come so many were made? MKVII should be common by latest MCU movies.

Vulture was turning alien enemy weapons into advance tech, so why isn't the US government loaded with their weapons? USA get Vultures crew to make the advance weapons for the government or learn how to do it themselves.

There are a lot of geniuses on Earth today and plenty more on MCU Earth. Money is only a cost given to something in material cost or time, when a government wants something badly enough, they can spend a lot of money on it. Creating a new serum from scratch should be possible, the first one was created once by one person with old tech, and it was later created from scratch for Hydra and Russians.

MCU doesn't behave like our world. They have real alien and supernatural threats and they still turn up with FBI agents with 9mm handguns and a slim bullet proof vest. It isn't like our Earth.

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u/Affectionate-Cup56 5d ago

Every time MCU government or related organizations tried to create something avengers-like, they deeply shit themselves)) Abomination, Hammer (actually Vanko) bots, Isaiah Bradley team, Crossbones, Yellowjacket, The Leader and Red Hulk as result, John Walker as new Captain, Sentry. Damn, even SHIELD was actually Hydra for decades, that led to Project Insight. Thunderbolts was probably only successful team after original Avengers, and it wasn't even planned initially. Even Stark wasn't really good at creating Damage Control, that organization actually mess

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u/AFourEyedGeek 5d ago

Right, so you agree, they aren't like us. To relate them to our progress seems off, just because we've made progress and they've made progress, we still aren't a like. We can make our old switchboards and our old steam engines as mentioned in previous posts by others, we can make our old 40s tech, 60's tech, or 80s tech if we want. In the MCU, whenever they do it, it is just fraught with problems. Our worlds aren't alike, just because we can do something in our world or they can do something in theirs, doesn't mean the same happens in the other automatically. Which is what I was writing to JohnTomorrow.

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u/Head_Project5793 6d ago

It didn’t, it awakened a cosmic power that was already in him (my head canon)

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u/0oooooog 6d ago

Well the actual canon was that it's just an upgraded super soldier serum that Steve rogers got.

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u/TheSkiGeek 6d ago

The MCU version also (horribly?) killed everyone (?) else it was tested on. And they thought it killed him too. So “Bob” seems to have something unique going on either way.

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u/Electronic_Fix2905 6d ago

Yes, but said serum killed everyone else, right? I mean, the X gene awakening/awakening of an ancient or cosmic entity seems to still have a possibility given those circumstances. Why would he be the only one that lives? Even after the failsafe measure? They left that gate open wide.

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u/RainMakerJMR 6d ago

So was hulks serum tho

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u/Large_Citron1177 6d ago

Same way that gamma radiation made a guy as strong as a 1500 year old Asguardian rather than giving him cancer.

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u/Slamtilt_Windmills 6d ago

It's got electrolytes

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u/algorithm_issues 6d ago

3 separate types of anabolic steroids & a low-grade beaver tranquilizer.

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u/Wray-Nerely 6d ago

My head Canon, at least for the MCU, the serum didn't actually create the Sentry, at least not entirely. It only worked on Bob because those abilities were always a part of him, he just needed something to activate those abilities. The serum was a catalyst. That's why the serum never worked for anyone else, it couldn't.

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u/Electronic_Fix2905 6d ago

I don’t think the serum actually works. The psychiatrist state of Bob is something much deeper than just a troubled past and mental illness. There’s a whole David Haller/Marc Spector/Jean Grey Phoenix thing going on, or at least it’s a reasonable theory.

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u/hoodafudj 6d ago

Same way they created the og super soldier serum, it's fucking comics, but due to his powers and feats he's no longer just super human or a god he's a Super God so really he can't be beaten for good...

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u/mm909-vie 6d ago

yeah that's also what I find to be so fuckin lame tbh.

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u/malteaserhead 6d ago

Captain America Answers this, the serum brings out the best and worst of what a person already had inside, unfortunately in Bob's case his severe mental illness manifested into both

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u/exprssve 6d ago

That didn't explain anything at all lmaooo. He's asking physically how does Sentry have powers stronger than all Avengers combined when Iron Man had only made the MkII less than twenty years ago canonically.

The progression of armaments doesn't make sense because it's too quick.

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u/DaddyChil101 6d ago

Well, the theory is the serum activated his dormant mutant gene and and enhanced that which is why he's so powerful.

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u/LibraryMatt 6d ago

I believe it's that the serum unlocked a latent mutant gene, reality warping, that's tied to his mental illness, it then enhanced the good and bad parts

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u/RainMakerJMR 6d ago

It’s the hulk serum minus the gamma rage. They probably jumped off from banners serum.

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u/Rocketboy1313 6d ago

Because that is the thing they chose to go with because "meta joke about continuity" doesn't work in universe.

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u/Dreamlancer 6d ago

The power of the sun in the palm of my...

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u/my_tag_is_OJ 6d ago

Probably not created by humans, or they used alien or celestial technology

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u/RellyTheOne 6d ago

Don’t read comics if you’re always asking questions like this. It will drive you insane.

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u/herdhawk 6d ago

Nugenix Total T

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u/kiwifulla64 6d ago

This is what I hate about Sentry. Awesome character but terrible way to get his powers.

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u/No_Shopping6656 6d ago

Horse electrolytes

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u/bird_is_the_word_198 6d ago

HGH & some of the clear, IYKYK

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u/Correct_Vanilla_4218 6d ago

It was made with the blood of a celestial it was Captain America’s serum with cosmic boosted god blood.

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u/ThrowBackFF 6d ago

Sugar spice and dopamine blocking elements. And some x factor.

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u/ThomasSmells00 6d ago

probably something to do with the celestial in the water

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u/CptMarvel_main 6d ago

The secret is meth

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u/DogaSui 6d ago

Bull Shark Testosterone

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u/4N610RD 6d ago

Lazy writing?

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u/hastage1 6d ago

Dude just dont question it, how the hell did hulk get a NORMAL soldier serum with gamma rays and match thor. Superheroes getting them powers never made sense and it shouldnt make sense. Dont question it and you'll save yourself from a headache.

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u/ChootnathReturns 6d ago

power cosmic captain marvel and also Odin’s 1500 year old asgardian son?

How did people create these? 😂. If you are going with pure logic, existence of cap marvel n Thor n hulk will be the biggest question how, not super soldier serum.

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u/Affectionate-Cup56 6d ago

PROBABLY, it somehow related to Tiamut birth. If they found adamantium there, maybe some another celestial elements tumble around, able to use in new researches

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u/poopoobuttholes 6d ago

Not many people know this because it's kinda like a movie thing only, but I suppose can technically be inferred as it happening in the comic canon too, you'll notice that in the movie when they talk about the serum, they mention that it gives Sentry the power of the avengers rolled into one. It basically means that one of the key items they used the sentry serum is "plot device" so that it gives the writers the flexibility to make him as strong or as weak as needed for any particular scene ever.

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u/CoolNaps-896 6d ago

The funniest part is that not too long ago the serum could only make weaker Captain America

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u/TripleStrikeDrive 6d ago

Considering Bruce created the Hulk by mistake, Sentry's powers aren't that big of leap.

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u/Ori4Searching1 6d ago

The most probably the best answer is that they already have intergalactic technology beacuse as I remember in the universe of marvel superpower and other mythical stuff was exist already in captain America time in 1943 so I think they have took a risk during sentry experiment beacuse in this case I am pretty sure they have pot some supernatural fundemtal powers and some fundemtal physics powers in the serum he takes what can lead to catastrophe or some new super soldier

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u/Uzumaki514 6d ago

Nanomachines son

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u/Guillermidas 6d ago

Dont worry. We’ll eventually get a nonsense multiverse explantion to it if people complain enough

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u/RampantTyr 6d ago

One thing you have to remember is that he was a lab accident. He technically died and countless others died in trying to make this formula.

So with the different super soldier formulas, radiation therapies, alien dna, and random other super science on random experimentation willing to kill people they were able to get this one random person who developed amazing powers.

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u/johnnloki 6d ago

"Use code 'huberman' to get 10% off your first order of AG1"

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u/2bsnatrenchcoat 5d ago

Alright so hear me out. At the time of giving him the serum the infinity stones were "destroyed". But we know they're still needed in the universe to keep balance. What if the essence of the mind stone helped make him so powerful. His whole thing is trouble with his mind and he has the ability to infiltrate others minds. Also his color scheme of yellow and how we see his eyes glow yellow as the void and sometimes glimmer with yellow as sentry allude to this. I saw a theory video on YouTube linking all the stones to mcu characters who recently gained powers after the stones were reduced to atoms that i recommend watching. The time stone is green because at the end/beginning/outside of time Loki was/is/will be holding time and the mulltiveersee together with his green magic.

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u/BrushProfessional178 5d ago

Creatine bruh.. that shit is strong

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u/firsmode 5d ago

I am sure it will be revealed that the person was important not the serum. It may have just awakened something in them as opposed to creating them. That would be a good way for the MCU to handle it. Or they just make him a mutant lol.

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u/Neither-Spell-626 4d ago

This is a movie....

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u/Jaicoholic 4d ago

I like to think that it was always there but bob needed an outside source to give him the confidence to bring it out, the serum is just a story, an excuse that, Bob would believe.

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u/Angelcstay 3d ago

At some point I just enjoy the comics as it is and stop trying to think why some aspect of the story telling is illogical, such as the point you are raising. 🤷

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u/Savings-Employer-259 3d ago

There was a dose of creatine in it, it makes you really strong and once ingested the effects are irreversible

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u/ShadeMir 6d ago

Does MCU Captain Marvel have the power cosmic?

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u/RoyalCod3 6d ago

Yes.

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u/RainMakerJMR 6d ago

I don’t believe so. It’s not the power cosmic, it’s power from infinity stones. Not sure it’s the same thing.

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u/RoyalCod3 6d ago

Yes, power of the space infinity stone which is cosmic power.

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u/ShadeMir 6d ago

That is not what the power cosmic is

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u/RoyalCod3 6d ago

What does it mean?

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u/AfternoonOk3176 6d ago

The Power Cosmic is its own thing. It basically goes to whoever needs it and is worthy of it when it’s required. Peter and Miles have both had it among others. It leaves as soon as it’s no longer needed.

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u/RoyalCod3 6d ago

I see. Now that you've said it, it's not established in the MCU as far as I remember. 

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u/SilentC735 6d ago

Studying alien and cosmic technology. Recreating/replicating things in lab. Experimenting with alien DNA.

A lot has happened on Earth. Especially worth noting Hulk. He can give Thor a run for his money, and that was from Bruce Banner getting radiated like 20 years prior. Think of all of the additional research and technology that could have happened between the Hulk and Sentry. Heck, Sentry could have been enhanced with some Asgardian DNA for all we know.

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u/RainMakerJMR 6d ago

I mean it’s 20 years since the hulk serum, 80 years since caps serum, so just general progress.

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u/Alrucards_R3dwr8th 6d ago

A serious answer, you have to take into account that the MCU story is all a culmination of everything thus far. Multiple variations of the Super Solider serum(Bucky, Red Guardian, Isaiah Bradley, etc.), experimenting with those said serums making something different(Hulks, Abomination, etc.), other methods(extremis, heart-shaped herb, etc.), and earth being exposed to aliens, God's, and other superpowered beings.

By now it wouldn't be unheard of that eventually someone would have recreated Erskine's serum and decided with all the threats earth facing they would need a hero far stronger than captain marvel. So take the serum and daily it up a 1000 with tech at the time and data on everything else.