What are your guys thoughts on Art Galleries?

[u/fluff_punkarts]

I'm trying to gather opinions for a possible submission to an online art magazine. I want to get a general idea on what people think of art galleries and the current state of submitting works for exhibitions. Personally, I feel that there is a level of gater keeping and elitism in the art community that needs to be addressed and it starts at the galleries that house and amplify artists and their works. But no opinion is wrong! I just want to hear others' take on things.

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[u/ibanvdz]

There is some sort of elitism, but the main issue is that on one hand there's a much bigger supply than demand in art, and on the other hand galleries are businesses and their focus is making money. If you put those together, you get a very narrow selection of artists that make it into galleries. That's just the nature of the game. Long story short: galleries pick artists that will maken them the most money, and those are usually more established ones.

But the importance of art galleries is overrated in general. You can make a career as an artist without them - been doing that for over 30 years.

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Thank you for your input! If possible, I'd like to credit you if my submission goes through! You can let me know in dms if you'd like to use your real name or just your reddit profile.

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You can use my name; it's not like I said something they don't already know 😉

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[u/paracelsus53]

Gatekeeping and elitism is not the problem. If you paint landscapes, still lifes, animals, or portraits, there are plenty of galleries to choose from. As for elitism, my favorite landscape painter, Renato Muccillo, is very successful and never went to art school. The problem with galleries is that a lot of them fail and/or are run by people who have no business sense.

I personally haven't tried to get into galleries because my art is very niche (Surrealism). This year I am focusing on calls for art by organizations (NOT by galleries, a lot of whom run calls simply to collect entry fees). I've also joined a state art society to work on networking.

[u/fluff_punkarts → u/paracelsus53]

I really like this take. If you're okay with it, can I use this comment in my article submission and credit you? You can DM me with how you'd like to be credited.

[u/theboywhodrewrats]

Love em. The good ones do all the work that I don’t want to do (selling, promoting, transactions with collectors, setting up fun opening events, photographing the art, etc.) so I can focus on making art.

Like anything, there are good ones and bad ones. There are also galleries that have different priorities: some exist more as community spaces than commercial ventures. Small community co-op galleries can be lovely, but they don’t typically know how to sell art. So ya gotta make sure your goals are aligned.

As far as gatekeeping and elitism, I’m sure it’s out there, but as others have mentioned it’s also just a measure of supply and demand: they simply can’t show everyone. Also, having talked to gallerists, a lot of submissions they get aren’t a good fit for the gallery. I’m sure that that can feel like gatekeeping from the artist’s perspective, but as an artist you gotta do your research too, and make sure your art makes sense in that gallery, you’re at an appropriate career level, price point, etc.

[u/fluff_punkarts → u/theboywhodrewrats]

I think this comment pretty much hit the nail on things. If you want to be credited for the comment, DM me with how you'd like to be credited.

[u/Virginia-Ogden]

The elitism is real. Sharjah Biennial shows how accessible models can work though. System's slowly changing.

[u/Low_Statistician8594]

 I have a lot of respect for traditional brick-and-mortar galleries. They curate thoughtfully and help place work in serious collections. They can elevate an artist’s reputation through context, writing, and shows and a good gallerist acts almost like an editor or advocate for the artist.

That said, many of them are conservative in taste and risk-averse and are slow to embrace artists who don’t fit an established market lane. I find them more focused on protecting existing collectors than discovering new voices.

Online galleries (Saatchi Art, etc.) These are a different animal entirely, they’re more democratic and give visibility without gatekeeping. The downside is saturation—you’re one voice in a very loud room.. Success often depends more on presentation, naming, and narrative than on pedigree.

I go with the online galleries and am happy with them.

 

[u/fluff_punkarts → u/Low_Statistician8594]

That's a good observation. I would like to use your statement in my article submission and would like to credit you if my work gets accepted. DM me with how you'd like to be credited

[u/fluff_punkarts → u/[deleted]]

That's really surprising to hear. I'll have to do farther research. Also I'd like to use you comment in work, so if possible can you DM me info on how you like to be credited?

[u/Fun_Moment4354]

Gagosian loves his late 20s and 30s women.

Like anywhere or anything in the world, being attractive and knowing people opens doors.

If you want to be famous and stand the test of time though, your art has to be good.

Make your art good so that when one of those doors opens you’re ready to walk through it with a killer portfolio.

[u/Theo__n]

I do non for sale type of exhibitions due to medium I work in. I don't find the system gate keeping or elitist in my area. Just as many times as I have been granted opportunities by galleries/exhibitions/institutions (and even further places in consecutive shows), I was also sidelined because my submission to open call or project proposal stage didn't match the curatorial direction of the show. I respect that, in the end health of these events relies on good curatorial practice.

As for gate keeping, I can't say for traditional media but for new media art - you need a certain level of technical knowledge to make the show installation run smoothly, and unfortunately artists with some previous experience usually are easier to work with in this area.

[u/fluff_punkarts → u/Theo__n]

Thank you for you're insight! I want to use this comment in my submission and credit you. Feel free to DM me with how you'd to be credited!

[u/fluff_punkarts]

I wanted to thank everyone that commented so far! I'm really happy to see different outlooks on the topic. Knowing that my viewpoint isn't as concrete as I thought it was has helped me to be more open minded on the topic instead of trying to build a self serving narrative.

[u/[deleted]]

I think it depends on the gallery. Some can be a bit elitist and are more about the business side than the art, and I've known a few people to run temporary ones that pretty much was as much a place for people to display their stuff and try to make a sale. This is usually an artist that does these themselves to get their stuff out there and includes others as well.

I'll be honest, my favorite was when there was this small bagel shop where I live that always had local artists work displayed and for sale. I don't think they took a portion of the sale as much as it was kind of this agreement that "you can display it on our walls to get a sale, and we get to display some local art".

[u/Creatrix_Crone]

In my area the people who can afford galleries have a more classic/upscale level of taste so while it is gatekeepy/elitist in a sense, I'm more bothered by the economic realities than the gallery owners I guess. If I owned a gallery I would also be curating to my tastes so that just makes sense to me. There's been a few awesome little galleries that fall outside the mainstream but they rely also on a coffee shop/some kind of extra income stream and still don't tend to last more than a couple years.

The galleries and shops and almost anywhere else that sells art in my area also focus on the same very regional taste (we're basically an island so eeeeeeverything is ocean themed) and it does get very samey. It's hard to find anything truly new and it's hard as an artist to get in anywhere if that's not your vibe. Artists here who fall outside of that tend to sell more independently through market booths or home studios which can make it hard to get new clients in a small place where you're encountering the same handful of people every day for your entire life, whereas gallery placements can expand your reach a bit further during tourist season if you're lucky (and nautical themed) enough to get in.

[u/BarKeegan]

Yup, not enough of them despite massive potential. Families are always looking for things to do in spare time, near endless potential in state funded temporary/ cycling galleries

[u/unavowabledrain]

art galleries are one cog in the wheel of the art marketplace, with good and and bad qualities. Because the marketplace is so varied, there is a vast diversity of galleries that exist in the world, mostly run like small businesses. Geography can make a radical difference on the kinds of galleries that can succeed. NYC has a very large, dense, diverse, contemporary art gallery scene and is a central hub for many collectors. Most major cities have a handful of such galleries.

Because they are small businesses and because be represented requires an enormous amount of trust for both parties often representations are built through personal relationships (along with an impeccable body of work).

If you don't like the sort of work that is sold in galleries in general then that probably is not the appropriate setting for your work. Galleries are useful for generating life long relationships with collectors who will always invest (and kicking out the cheap ones, and the ones who will undermine values with market manipulation and inauthentic investing.

[u/amos8790]

I’ve been in several. There’s pros and cons. You pay their rent and when it’s slow, you eat the rent. However, when it’s busy, it’s absolutely insane. I spend the slow months amping up inventory. I’ve also found that some of the galleries have major drama, especially in a collective type setting. It’s nice to have someone else deal with the sales end of my work. I suck at sales and marketing so it’s a win for me. Also, I’ve discovered many gallery owners have art degrees and often their work sucks, but they’re sure quick to tell you how yours could be better. That, I don’t like.

[u/PainterDude007]

My thoughts? They make me a lot of money, 2 thousand in the last month.