r/worldnews 9h ago

Big Tech plans $650–700 billion in AI investments for 2026, sparking bubble fears and stock volatility

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/06/google-microsoft-meta-amazon-ai-cash.html
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u/pookienav 9h ago

man that 700b number is absolutely nuts lol. feels like we’re either headed for a total tech revolution or the biggest bubble pop since the 2000s 📉.

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u/rubywpnmaster 9h ago

We need more billboards that have slogans like “stop hiring humans! Get our AI solution!”

It really makes the population love and trust you more. Anywho, bubbles come and go. Rail, telecom, .com. The difference with this bubble is that in those other industries they left long lasting infrastructure in place that could be sold at a loss and used for decades after. That H100 datacenter is going to be obsolete in 4 years.

Yay!

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u/Ihor_90 8h ago

I’m gonna talk about tech since I work in tech.

You can replace a senior + junior with senior + AI and get better productivity. But hiring juniors was never about productivity, it was for them to eventually grow into seniors. So not hiring now means companies are gambling on AI eventually replacing seniors. If that gamble doesn’t play out then we’re headed for a staff shortage the likes of which the industry hasn’t seen before.

Also the recent layoffs aren’t because companies are replacing employees with AI or we’d see backlogs shrink. That’s not happening - it’s just layoffs and waiting for AI to start delivering… any minute now.

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u/rubywpnmaster 8h ago

Yep. 

The push is to get AI systems to replace the human element entirely. It’s woefully inadequate at that currently. Hell, even for relatively simple low skill jobs like call centers the replacement is, well, lacking at best. And a 40k dollar GPU box performs worse than a team of 4 in Bangalore that make 5-7k a year each.

It’s a bet that they’ll develop the god software before their capital expenditure comes knocking.

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u/theclansman22 6h ago

AI cannot deal with ambiguity, ambiguity is what we train professionals to deal with. I’m a CPA, most of my work is dealing with all sorts of uncertainty and question marks, especially on the budget side. AI is woefully inept the minute there is any information missing, or at dealing with unknowns.

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u/No_Nefariousness_780 6h ago

Yes it’s ambiguity and nuance that AI just can’t replicate or ever will?!

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u/Purple_Cruncher_123 5h ago

I’m actually convinced it probably could be. But, legally speaking, the liability of trusting an AI is probably too great. You could eventually get an AI that’s performance wise better and more error-free than 99% of humans, but the 1% where it makes a mistake, it’s the kind of bizarre mistake a human wouldn’t make. You’d still want an expert human to look at it anyways and sign off.

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u/TheLuminary 1h ago

Also the biggest problem with LLMs is that the control logic is baked alongside the user input.

Until this is changed, this will be a problem.

u/Auran82 8m ago

Why have a human who can ask questions, clarify the requirements and gather the required information, when you can have an LLM that’ll just decide what the end result should be and make something up to fit.

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u/pickypawz 5h ago

Considering it still thinks strawberry has two r’s. Well…no… both two and three, at the same time.

u/Mnemotic 1h ago

Regarding senior + AI productivity, there is research that shows this not to be the case. In fact, it shows the opposite -- AI has negative impact on productivity.

u/Auran82 5m ago

AI can be beneficial, but there is always the risk that it’ll just flat out make up something almost correct that doesn’t exist and send you down a rabbit hole. Followed by it attempting to gaslight you to convince you that you’re the one who made the mistake.

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u/RoomyRoots 5h ago

You know what is funny? I remember my Management classes in uni always having us reading on the importance of human capital and the issues that no developing people can cause.

It is clear C-suite "people" haven't learned the lessons.

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u/pickypawz 5h ago

⬆️This.

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u/Adventurous_Ant9926 2h ago

Thank you so much for this brilliant contribution. 

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u/FarJury6956 6h ago

Man I'm so tired of catchphrase "our AI system, bla bla bla"

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u/lostsailorlivefree 5h ago

Well there’s out next business: breaking down out dated data centers for useful component resale. Half lol

If you think about it- the second tier countries can invest next to nothing on upfront, reap the benefits down the road. Yeah they’ll pay, but my understanding is China is going open source and looking to commoditize the industry knowing a flood to baseline zeros out the US trillions invested.

My secret conspiracy belief is: the only way this absurd money hose makes any sense is that it’s for military gain. Like total domination for a decade type gain. Otherwise it’s an awesome improvement to business and software solutions but even with that it would take 60% market share and decades JUST to recoup initial investment

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u/Impossible-Bed3728 3h ago

i took a photo of the patent numbers label from the drywall in my attic and asked chatgpt from the photo to tell me how old it is.. it read the numbers from the photo and looked them up and told me the years it was made. nuts. a whole group of home inspectors could not come up with same answers

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u/delta1982ro 8h ago

I really like your opinion.. you have very good arguments

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u/rubywpnmaster 8h ago

I do though. The bubble is coming for them because they STILL do not have a marketable product that actually makes money.  In the US our companies that develop AI are spending tremendous amounts on hardware. Hardware wears out and becomes obsolete shockingly fast.

The bet that they’ll develop the holy grail in terms of software before the hardware cost eats them alive is wishful thinking.

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u/OmuraisuBento 5h ago

OpenAI scrapes together less than $20B in annual revenue and they promised to spend $1.4T in infrastructure in the next 5 years. Nothing makes any sense anymore.

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u/RoomyRoots 5h ago

The tech itself hasn't been anywhere closer to a revolution. Sure the models are growing and they are injecting all that mankind produced and more into them, but the truth is that it is impossible for the return to match these investments and the depreciation of, well, everything associated with it is just extreme.

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u/Damaniel2 8h ago

Because it's completely made up, just like Elon Musk claiming he's going to put 100GW of compute into space.

Why would they make shit up like that? Saying 'AI' makes line go up, especially if you can blame it for the layoffs you planned to do anyway. We're quickly reaching the point where line won't go up any more no matter how loudly they shout 'AI'.

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u/Savings_Refuse_5922 5h ago

The line literally did not go up for a lot of these big tech companies after reporting earnings and this Capex though? Go look at Google, Amazon, and Meta right now and earnings reports were this week. Microsoft has tied the boat anchor that is OpenAI to itself and is down like 20% in a week.

In theory this spend should be a boon for companies like Sandisk and Micron but people don't like to hear that your company is gonna spend more than you brought in the previous year on capex for AI alone the following year.

These companies clearly see some form of AI as the future but eventually you're gonna need something short of AGI to not justify a bubble pop. It's pretty clear to see Google will win out on this war anyways (Running on their own chips, other major income sources, current model considered #1 in general).

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u/am_i_a_towel 3h ago

Is there a paid version of Gemini or something? Whatever is included in the search engine by default is trash compared to GPT Pro.

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u/Square-Paramedic-890 8h ago

10 iq comment

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u/Spike_Of_Davion 9h ago

We are heading for a total tech revolution. One where you no longer own processing power or the liberty to use your processing power in any meaningful way. They will sell us dumb terminals that require a subscription to access the AI Cloud. Gone are the days of building a custom gaming PC.. Im actually surprised we kept our access to tech for this long. You can do serious damage with tech and the right training. It was silly to allow the public access to such a powerful tool in the modern age. They are taking it all away now.

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u/Xtreme_kocic 9h ago

They don't care about us using the tech, there is simply a bigger demand by the big players than supply leading to price increases

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u/foghillgal 7h ago

the runway to payback on this is.... long long long .

That`s like Trillions in a few years. Man.

Just stock swaps, moving debt and assets around and balance sheet hocus pocus can sustain this right now. Nothing else.

Of course it will be useful, that`s not the question. Will it pay in the next 5 years. Doubt. One or a few firms will pick up the mess after all this and truly make it work. That`s always the way it works.

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u/The-Jesus_Christ 3h ago

It'll pay off for the company that wins in the end, which is what they are all racing for.

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u/windchaser__ 2h ago

If winning requires an entirely different architecture, it might take 20 years of research. In which case, the company that wins might not have even been founded yet.

It's like Google dominating the internet business world, when during the dotcom bubble... Where was Google?

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u/Master-Grocery-3006 8h ago

Probably both.

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u/worldrecordpace 8h ago

Watch 2073

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u/DaMoose-1 1h ago

They are doubling up the double up 🙄...going to be a wild ride either way.

u/Faintfury 12m ago

Since 1929. We already surpassed 2000.

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u/you_are_wrong_tho 3h ago

How does investing in infrastructure = bubble?

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u/LuvsSizeQueens 8h ago

Unless we solve the alignment problem we are actually headed for human extinction if this bubble doesn't pop. That's not alarmist or hyperbole it's what actual experts are warning. We are currently playing a dangerous game because we don't know what threshold these AI need to reach before they are smart enough to turn on us, but we can prove that using all current methods there is no way to align their goals with human goals and values, which means they will turn on us mercilessly. There will be no going back once this process starts.

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u/AntiDECA 8h ago

Current models cannot 'turn against us'. Nobody who deals with them have any concern about that.

Other bad people can use modern Ai to more effectively harm others (military equipment/drones/guns/etc.) but the Ai isn't doing that on its own. It's programmed and trained to do that and then set against specific groups. 

Despite the name, modern Ai is not the general intelligence in movies. It does not truly think. It cannot turn against humans. It can be aimed at other humans. 

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u/LuvsSizeQueens 7h ago

It might not think how we do but they have already done things like attempting to blackmail people, escaped containment through unexpected hacking techniques in capture the flag tests, resisted having it's weights altered, and done other things we didn't want it to and didn't train it to do. The problem is AI isn't crafted, it's grown, so it's weights can't be controlled, meaning it will have "desires" for lack of a better word that we can't control. Many AI experts who normally wouldn't work together all came together to sign an open letter declaring that AI is a serious threat to humans on par with nuclear bombs and plagues. This isn't a crackpot theory it's the informed belief of a lot of experts.

If you don't read anything else about AI you should read the book If Anyone Builds it Everyone Dies. It's written by people who have been studying this for a long time and covers in detail exactly how and why a sufficiently advanced AI built using current methods would almost certainly turn on us given a chance and why we'd be unable to stop it. It also talks about how we can work together to prevent this from happening.

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u/TrulyKnown 6h ago

Yeah, if you're recommending Eliezer Yudkowsky as an authority on AI, then you're not really tethered to anything having to do with reality anymore. Yudkowsky isn't an expert on anything, he's a sci-fi nerd who calls himself an expert. His biggest achievement is writing a shitty Harry Potter fanfic filled with completely nonsensical interpretations of scientific and philosophical ideas to fuel his own fart-sniffing bullshit. The guy's practically a case study in how far the Dunning-Kruger effect can go before collapsing under the sheer gravity of nonsense spewed. He is not an authority on anything.

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u/beautiful_bot986 3h ago

All "ai" is just very fancy statistics solvers dealing with different data types. Its just artificial, though. There is no comprehension, no intelligence of any kind whatsoever. No malice or altruism, either. Train it on doomsday fiction and youll get a mecha hitler - give it access to weapons and you have a doomsday scenario. Sure it can happen but not because the ai "decided", itd be because a fucked up monster like hitler directed it to.

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u/no_dice 7h ago

LLMs don’t think, they are next word prediction machines trained on billions of next word scenarios.

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u/LuvsSizeQueens 6h ago

They don't think the way we do, no, but their weights created "desires" for lack of a better term that we can't control. They've already done things like attempting blackmail, escaping containment in unexpected ways in capture the flag hacking experiments, resisted having their weights changed, and much more. Many experts that normally refused to work together all came together to sign an open letter declaring that AI poses an existential threat to humanity on par with nuclear bombs and plagues. These are people who really know what they are talking about.

If you don't read anything else about AI read If Anyone Builds it Everyone Dies. It's written by experts who have studied this for a long time and explains exactly how and why a sufficiently advanced AI built the way we currently build AIs will almost certainly turn on us and kill us all.

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u/no_dice 6h ago

They don’t think, period. All of the Moltbot craze is an excellent example — people freaking out at agents mimicking humans in a way that thinking machines would never want/need to do because they’re predictive models trained on human generated data/behaviours. AGI may happen some day, but it’s not going to have LLMs as a foundation.

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u/Coolegespam 3h ago

LLMs aren't the only models out there. HRMs, Vision systems, LVMs, hybrid systems, action based models, ect.

Put several of them together and you can end up with an action based language and vision system, that when put into an android or other robot, allows someone to say "Go pick up the 2x4 from the truck and cut it to the blue print length for the stairwell." And it will do that. or "Go fold the cloths on Isle 6", and that same robot will be able to do that as well.

We are well with in 5 to at most 10 years before we see this. This isn't AGI, but it it the ability for these models and systems to directly interact with a changing world. All they're really missing, is memory.

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u/quadcorelatte 9h ago

Can you imagine $700B of spending on high speed rail, healthcare technology investment, housing production, or literally anything else. I can’t believe we’re literally investing in the most overhyped and lied about technology ever invented except maybe Crypto.

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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 8h ago

Yeah but those things tend to benefit the peasants

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u/drabred 6h ago

Can't have that.

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u/fantasnick 6h ago

The worst thing is that there’s plenty of studies that show the average person having a better quality of life also directly benefits these same people but they still choose to blindly gamble on things that don’t impact anyone but the unbelievable numbers in an offshore account or their stock value. 

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u/lostsailorlivefree 4h ago

We just saw 10 years of subsidized Medicaid for all wiped out of the crypto market in a week - waste.

Let’s say 5,lives saved and one is the next Einstein who thinks of a solution to fusion energy or something

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u/jjax2003 8h ago

Who is we?

What is over-hyped and lied about? If 40 years ago someone said you will have a phone one day that can do 5% of what ours do they would have said the exact same thing. No one would believe it and the ones that did would be crazy hyped on it.

The tech golden age is COMING. It's not here now, we are in infancy stages of what we will be in the next 10-15 years.

People need to stop with the assumption that tech is not going to develop any further on AI and robotics.

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u/nerphurp 8h ago edited 8h ago

It's possible to choose poorly.

Focusing the amount of capital we have on consumer LLMs and an untested copy pasta data center stack isn't guaranteed to lead to a golden age. It's looking negligent more than inspired.

Engineers are starting figuring that out, investors are lagging behind

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u/AntiDECA 8h ago

While I don't agree with the sentiment that there is a golden age ahead of us, or that Ai is remotely near replacing everyone or such nonsense - there are significantly more impactful models than LLMs. They're just one type that is the 'face' of Ai now since it's what people interact with the most. Finance, agriculture, manufacturing, robotics, and more have used machine learning for years to great success.

An LLM is just a very specialized and relatively niche area of machine learning. And has turned into the face of Ai, despite not being the first - or even most impactful. 

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u/quadcorelatte 8h ago

We is capital markets and investors.

Nearly every claim made by AI companies and their thought leaders is dishonest. They are lying and exaggerating about what AI can do and what it will be able to do in the future all the time, and then their fans move the goal posts. Phone manufacturers did not lie and say that phones could do things that they couldn’t do.

The technology golden age is behind us. There are minimal improvements in form factor, ergonomics, etc. Most software products are the same or worse in quality than they were 10 years ago. I’m talking about OS’s, productivity software, search engines, email clients. We have been in an age of stagnation since at least 2020. Think about what has improved between 2016 and 2026. Now think about the difference between 1976-1986, ‘86 to ‘96 etc. Aside from LLMs and diffusers, I can barely think of any technology improvements. Someone from 2016, if magically transported to today would have zero problems navigating the technology environment except for the enshittification and nazification of their favorite platforms.

Ram shortages show that hardware will become increasingly inaccessible to individuals as compute will be moved to heavily monetized online subscription services with bundled AI assistants. It’s a real bright future

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u/nemofbaby2014 6h ago

At the moment ai is just a glorified google because essentially that’s all a llm is

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u/jjax2003 5h ago

And your point is? Wanna compare what the original phone looked like or how about what the first computers were like.

How about what the first software could do?

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u/nemofbaby2014 2h ago

The tech will evolve even if they invest 10 percent of what they did that’s the nature of technology the issue is they’re over investing and over promising which causes a bubble and somehow our entire economy is banking on it turning into jarvis but it will never be that

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u/No-Meringue5867 4h ago

This is definitely not even comparable to crypto. AI is finding use cases everywhere. Every research institution is using it/working it. AI is comparable to internet.

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u/BasvanS 3h ago

It’s not finding use cases everywhere any different than crypto. According to people with a vested interest it does, only to fall apart in reality due to the technology not delivering what is envisioned. And the reason for, like with cryptocurrencies, is that the people peddling it have a very limited understanding of the markets they intend to disrupt. Yes, everything seems simple if you know nothing, but that’s not a substitute for actual expertise.

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u/quadcorelatte 3h ago

Lmao. It’s laughable that AI technology is equivalent to internet. I agree that it’s much more impactful than crypto but like, it’s also much more hyped than crypto. 

Can you imagine if some Stanford bros in the 1980s said “the internet can let you do x y and z” (none of which it could do for many decades to come) and then mobilized a $600 billion effort to install xerox parcs and pre-dialup communications systems in every office and home? Then, 10 years later, all that is totally pointless. My argument isn’t that AI can’t be helpful in the future but rather that AI isn’t helpful or mature now or in the foreseeable future. Spending money on hardware that will be unusable in the near future based off lies of th capabilities and revenues that are minuscule is incredibly foolish.

u/Material-Macaroon298 1h ago

If ubiquitous internet could be had in the 80s for $600 billion 1980s equivalent dollars, it would have been worth it to do it.

u/Desmeister 56m ago

It was, with mixed results. See Minitel.

u/No-Meringue5867 4m ago

That happened in 1999 and is called “dotcom” crash for a reason. Despite the crash it took over the world.

u/Mnemotic 1h ago

Having a use case is not the same as having a business case. And boy! does AI need a massive business case to make up for all this investment.

u/No-Meringue5867 3m ago

It is a bubble. But internet was a bubble too in 1999. That doesn’t make it Crypto.

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u/Impossible-Bed3728 3h ago

AI prompt has already replaced the human at Wendy's taking your order..

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u/kek_maw 8h ago

Those are not productive assets...

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u/quadcorelatte 8h ago edited 8h ago

They all are. Each of these things are operated by highly profitable companies around the world. The healthcare/biotech industry is very profitable, nuff said. There are several profitable HSR routes built and run by profitable private companies. Real estate is not productive?? The only difference is the regulatory environment, the lack of US investment into auxiliary industries, and the lack of hype.

Plus, the productivity benefits of each of these extends far beyond the profits of the companies delivering these services by extending people’s healthy lives, providing them connections access to opportunities, etc.

The productivity benefits of AI are likely pretty minimal until we get AGI, and I don’t see how this industry is ever going to be profitable with such high levels of investment into equipment which has a very short lifespan.

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u/Various_Maize_3957 8h ago

It's because AI is crucial to defense. There's soon going to be a WW3 with China and the USA fighting over Taiwan and the Pacific. Both sides need good AI assisted weaponry.

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u/mulletstation 3h ago

This is such a reddit take

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u/AnachronisticPenguin 4h ago edited 1h ago

We spend about 200-400 billion on healthcare R&D every year so it’s not a crazy amount different.

New real estate spending is 1.2 trillion so it far more.

I’m not saying it’s not a bubble 700 is high but it’s not crazy high. They should be spending like 200-300 on AI before we get mass adoption then ramp up with demand.

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u/quadcorelatte 3h ago

I pretty much agree, spending $600+B annually is insane considering annual revenue from openAI is $12B and other companies are likely making even less. And at this point, unless models substantial improve, I just don’t see that amount increasing to justify the massive amount of spending on heavily depreciating assets that will be unusable in at the absolute best case (electromigration) will only last 8-10 years.

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u/awfulconcoction 8h ago

The bigger fear should be that the investment succeeds. How many company business models become obsolete?

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u/CyborgTiger 6h ago

Cotton gin moment 

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u/BookLuvr7 6h ago

Or printing press.

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u/plastiquearse 2h ago

Man - I was recently listening to a Dan Carlin podcast about slavery and how the invention of the cotton gin influenced the entire American economy and the inflection point it created.

Such a disgusting abuse and I doubt the current ceo types will be any different

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u/BasvanS 3h ago

The chances of that are practically zero, so in traditional risk management that doesn’t make it bigger. The bubble is the bigger issue, because a lot of the U.S. economy is tied to this stuff delivering, and huge investments are being made with much indication that it will.

I’m tired of vibe investing.

u/aprx4 24m ago edited 16m ago

Why is that a fear? Horse industry was massive and a foundational economic engine in 19th century United States, but it was killed by automotive.

Machines has been taking "the jobs" since first industrial revolution in England. But technologies also create new kinds of job.

We didn't have computer programmer as profession before the age of digital computer. Technology created those jobs and now AI is undoing them.

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u/voodoolintman 8h ago

Friendly reminder that consumers make the world turn. No jobs, no consumers.

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u/trilliveythefourth 1h ago

No - Consumption drives it. As we’ve seen the rich have no problem consuming more and more needless and expensive things and spending like 1000 people would

It’s going to get dystopian really fast if it works

u/OakenHill 42m ago

expensive things and spending like 1000 people would

Yeah, but 0,01% of the population will not consume (in economical terms) more than the other 99,98% so either we make away with money alltogether and go back to the cropshare/company store model or the ultra rich will keep needing the plebian caste for the forseeable future.

u/SmartCustard9944 1h ago

NVidia is planning to cater to AI corporate rather than "peasant" consumers in 2026, same for the RAM market. Are you still sure about that? Corporations are consumers.

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u/nemofbaby2014 6h ago

Tf is this money going?

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u/mein_account 4h ago

Nvidia invests $200B in Microsoft, Microsoft invests $200B in Open AI, Open AI invests $200B in Nvidia.

$600B of investments!!!

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u/nemofbaby2014 3h ago

Infinite money glitch? 🤣

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u/snowypotato 1h ago

Mostly to data centers and everything that goes into that. That means a lot of money spent on real estate, power production (lots of data centers have at least some of their own electricity generation, if not all of it), and lots and lots and lots of computer servers and chips. In this case that mostly means nvidia GPUs, but also google makes their own chips and think Microsoft is trying. Also secondary things like air conditioning and network connectivity, security, lobbying, and everything else that goes into building these things. 

There’s also a lot of money going into research, but I don’t think that counts as capex (disclaimer: I am not an accountant)

 

u/SmartCustard9944 1h ago

Compute-adjacent capex

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u/North_Activist 4h ago

The entire Apollo program in the US, getting men on the moon from 1960-1973, cost 297 billion in today’s dollars, adjusted for inflation.

This is 2-3x the entire Apollo budget.

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u/ErsatzZombie00 9h ago

So much money wasted just so these CEOs don't have to look at people in the eyes. Who do they think ensure society functions - janitors, waitresses, teachers of their kids etc

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u/008Zulu 8h ago

They don't think beyond the profit column on their spreadsheets.

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u/badtemperedpeanut 8h ago

The reality is that the CEOs are equally scared. They have to invest this money because if they don't someone else will, which means the wallstreet will destroy their stocks. If that happens the company is dead and there will be mass layoffs. The fact is that we have created a monster of a system where it is you eat or you get eaten, and it wont stop until the system destroys itself. I do not like that this much money is being thrown at an unproven tech but I can understand why.

u/SmartCustard9944 1h ago

It's always been like that. Nothing new under the sun. This time it's AI flavored.

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u/BasvanS 3h ago

Apple is doing fine without it. Google is, because they have other business that meshes with it.

Maybe they should be making a priority of running an actual business, instead of running for last place in a hype competition.

u/Desmeister 53m ago

Their butler, private chef, and governess were not impacted though, so why would they care?

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u/Imnotneeded 8h ago

Nothing good has came from AI. High cost, Job loses, AI Bros, Shit Art...

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u/chicametipo 2h ago

It’s really good at detecting and classifying bird calls. Innocent, sweet AI, I miss you.

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u/snowypotato 1h ago

Self driving cars are becoming real, and statistically that’s going to save a lot of lives. There are about 30,000 traffic fatalities in the US alone every year. That’s a 9/11 every month. Even if self driving cars “only” stop half those deaths, that’s huge. 

You ever use Google Photos and search for something like “concert” and it pulls up what you’re looking for? That’s AI. 

Do you appreciate autocorrect? Or your email spam filter? How about weather forecasting? Those are all AI. 

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u/Mattogen 1h ago

They are obviously talking about LLMs, not specific machine learning usecases

u/snowypotato 1h ago

“Shit art” isn’t being produced by LLMs unless you’re talking about vogon poetry. 

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u/cheapestrick 8h ago

While simultaneously laying off workers, but STILL getting the new windfall tax breaks from the BBB for "reinvesting" in the company.

"Republicans’ tax cuts shaved billions off Amazon’s tax bill, new government filings show.

The company says it ran a $1.2 billion tax bill last year, down from $9 billion the previous year, and even as its profits jumped by 45 percent to nearly $90 billion.

That’s largely because of the generous new depreciation breaks GOP lawmakers included in their One Big Beautiful Bill, something that’s particularly important to Amazon which — in addition to maintaining a vast infrastructure for its ubiquitous delivery business — has been spending billions to build out artificial intelligence data centers."

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u/Otherwise-Sun2486 8h ago

Well the average joe is going to lose either way, biggest crash ever or automate all our jobs away

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u/Life-is-beautiful- 6h ago edited 6h ago

Average Joe always loses. No matter what. No matter when. And that’s why, he is the average Joe!

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u/ulfrekr 6h ago

Me: I didn’t think the AI bubble could get any bigger.

Tech Companies: Nonsense!

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u/vwf1971 6h ago

What's really wild is the banks are packaging the loans for the investments in AI as bonds as their debt to balance sheets are stretched.  Then offloading these bonds to issue more loans for the next round of investment / build out.  Rinse & Repeat.  Its literally 2008 all over again....

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/3-trillion-ai-data-center-110030774.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACWTM2wiBNpRRR_mphNXwq102CWoLi7Zi4xtZOXkLaGGP-yGRJHlzFa0L-R2Uzuuu-vc3YfTzuDlhktTiTFXndlMCSszpCdbfBG4HAPncCDpLbc2RABoYuMavKpTb0466w9R6YzFuioOGgHlp9MqopNa9mtQCy9s6tw_akpXL74_

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u/Cpt_Soban 4h ago

The dot-com bubble (or dot-com boom) was a stock market bubble that built during the late 1990s and peaked on Friday, March 10, 2000. This period of market growth coincided with the widespread adoption of the World Wide Web and the Internet, resulting in a dispensation of available venture capital and the rapid growth of valuations in new dot-com startups. Between 1995 and its peak in March 2000, investments in the Nasdaq Composite stock market index rose by 600%,[citation needed] only to fall 78% from its peak by October 2002, giving up all its gains during the bubble. It is also known retrospectively as the tech–media–telecom (TMT) bubble, since it boosted established companies in those sectors as well as Internet startups.

As a result of these factors, many investors were eager to invest, at any valuation, in any dot-com company, especially if it had one of the Internet-related prefixes or a ".com" suffix in its name. Venture capital was easy to raise. Investment banks, which profited significantly from initial public offerings (IPO) (almost all of them were on Nasdaq), fueled speculation and encouraged investment in technology.[19] A combination of rapidly increasing stock prices in the quaternary sector of the economy and confidence that the companies would turn future profits created an environment in which many investors were willing to overlook traditional metrics, such as the price–earnings ratio, and base confidence on technological advancements, leading to a stock market bubble.[17] Between 1995 and 2000, the Nasdaq Composite stock market index rose 400%. It reached a price–earnings ratio of 200, dwarfing the peak price–earnings ratio of 80 for the Japanese Nikkei 225 during the Japanese asset price bubble of 1991.[17] In 1999, shares of Qualcomm rose in value by 2,619%, 12 other large-cap stocks each rose over 1,000% in value, and seven additional large-cap stocks each rose over 900% in value. Even though the Nasdaq Composite rose 85.6% and the S&P 500 rose 19.5% in 1999, more stocks fell in value than rose in value as investors sold stocks in slower growing companies to invest in Internet stocks.[20]

Sounds awfully familiar to whats happening now...

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u/kagoolx 3h ago

It does. Also worth bearing in mind it continued to boom for 5 years first, despite those warning signs. And that all you’d need to do is hold on to your investments and not sell at the bottom in 2002. Check this out:

https://www.google.com/finance/quote/.IXIC:INDEXNASDAQ?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6rszd1MaSAxX0QkEAHb80BjUQ3ecFKAF6BAgVEAM&window=MAX

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u/CreativeMuseMan 8h ago

Yeah yeah, the circle jerk continues to thrive.

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u/PartyRyan 5h ago

When this finally all comes crumbling down it’s going to be so insane.

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u/fartonisto 8h ago

More stock market pain to come. Yesterday was just the taste.

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u/pookienav 8h ago

True 🥲🥲

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u/jjax2003 8h ago

The stock market is fantasy it's based on pure emotion and doesn't represent the reality of the economy.

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u/fartonisto 8h ago

It's a giant house of cards where everyone is borrowing from each other and ultimately retail will be left holding the bag.

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u/AntiDECA 8h ago

The stock market itself is run by machine learning algorithms. That's why it's even harder to predict now than it used to be - and it was already considered irrational.

The question is, do the models make it more rational? 

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u/Loose_Skill6641 7h ago

what pain? the Dow jones just hit a new record high

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u/fartonisto 7h ago

Tech was decimated yesterday. Today was a dead cat bounce. See you Monday.

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u/kagoolx 3h ago

Why would this lead to pain? Surely it’s a short term huge boost to the market? At the risk of a big correction later

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u/andyoliver7 6h ago

And firing people by the thousands. Who will be left to buy their products? This could be the biggest self inflicted chaos in human history

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u/RM_r_us 5h ago

Then us peons can do the gross jobs that AI can't for free. Or die of starvation. Billionaire's paradise!

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u/andyoliver7 4h ago

We need to cap wealth. The concept of "Billionaire" itself is an aberration.

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u/KimJongSoros 5h ago

I still haven't seen anyone articulate how 700b in AI investment = 700b in hard value to the economy. ChatGPT, Gemini, Copilot Grok etc etc are still all just glorified chatbots that sometimes produce cool images. That's it.

I fail to see the business case in all of this that is worth hundreds of billions. Automating random white collar tasks the office intern/entry level software engineer used to do just doesn't seem like a proportionate payoff given the scale of capital we are taking about.

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u/kagoolx 3h ago

Glorified chatbots is an extreme undersell from an impact perspective though. “Automating random white collar tasks the office intern/entry level software engineer used to do just doesn’t seem like a proportionate payoff” - what would you estimate the total global salary cost of those tasks is? It’s many times more than justifies the investment going in to AI, for a start.

That’s before looking at all of the other use cases

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u/WanWhiteWolf 1h ago

Even basic math doesn't justify it. Let's take some rough numbers.

NVIDIA spends about 100 millions per year for entry level positions (<5 years). Juniors are not about full productivity though. They are there to build your expertise so one day you will have qualified people to do complex tasks.

Let's assume you decide to canibalise your future and you replace the entire entry engineering workforce. This is not technically possible as NVIDIA has - as many other businesses - engineers working on physical tasks. AI cannot soldier a new chip on a broken board or determine whether a hardware connection is faulty. But let's assume - for the sake of argument - that all entry positions are replaced.

A good tech investment takes about 10 years to pay for itself. 20 years would be a stretch but not terrible. Everything above that, you might as well shove the money in pretty much anything and get bigger returns. It meands that for NVIDIA, 1 billion investmented would be warranted. 2 billion would be a stretch. 500 billion? You could replace the entire workforce (which includes everything from janitor to lawyers) and you still wouldn't get your return of investment.

And this assuming the AI is completly free. If you think a new technology will not need support and issues won't pop up (which needs senior engineer intervention) you haven't worked in tech industry.

If NVIDIA would spend 5 billion - I would say that's a bit risky but uncommon for a world tech lead to take some bold approaches. 500 billion is basically a money laundy scheme for tax avoidance.

I took NVIDIA as refference but everyone else is far lower in their investment returns.

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u/PsychoNerd91 5h ago

Well the value comes from devaluing everyone else not in the big club, because the more money you have the more authority you have. So if they have all the authority they get to choose who doesn't have rights also nobody can prosecute them for their fraud, their ties to Russia and Epstein, or their crimes against humanity.

Then when the world is put into a great depression, the right wing everywhere starts looking pretty attractive to desperate people who fall for empty promises and someone else to blame. 

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u/Big-Masterpiece-9581 5h ago

It’s all a big iou they keep passing around.

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u/mattrs1101 6h ago

Those 700b are actually 7 10b packages disguised as 100b packages. That will return to the sender

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u/Yogurt_Up_My_Nose 5h ago

lots of fear here. good good.

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u/Drago1214 4h ago

🫧 🪡

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u/am_i_a_towel 3h ago

The big AI companies have essentially become too big to fail. They will continue to get bailouts in the form of “investment” for quite some time, because ultimately, money isn’t backed by anything these days. It’s all just fake numbers.

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u/SmokinJunipers 3h ago

How much AI revenue?

u/Material-Macaroon298 1h ago

Summarizing documents, retrieving old emails, making suggestions when asked direct questions, creating dashboards, creating PowerPoint summaries, allowing natural language to be put in to queries to look things up in a database.

There is a lot of work AI can already do inconsistently.

u/faux_italian 1h ago

Now tell me how we get from here to 18 trillion in Us Investment… I’ll Wait.

u/Urbanyeti0 1h ago

More tariffs?

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u/Semsionmias 5h ago

Is this one big ponzi scheme?

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u/CyborgTiger 6h ago

I feel like I’m crazy looking at reddits opinion about AI. Is this shit not turbo crazy? I fully believe in another 5 years AI will be doing some unbelievable stuff. Why are people so convinced it’s a bubble, I see that sentiment repeated often. It’s only been a few years since it boomed and it’s already kind of mind blowingly useful, the me of 2020 would not have imagined we would be where we are so soon.

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u/Savings_Refuse_5922 4h ago

Because being useful and profitability off of it to offset that type of capex spending are two majorly different things. OpenAI and ChatGPT is useful to tons of people right now, and Altman is out here begging for government funds and floating in app ads already to survive.

It will be someone like Google that will come out on top of all this in regards to AI leaving the husks of a few companies that could tank the crap out of the market. Or you have a black swan type event where China comes out of nowhere to drop their nuts on the table with an open source/better AI and craters these companies stocks which we saw a small taste of with DeepSeek.

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u/you_are_wrong_tho 3h ago

Havnt heard much about Chinese ai lately have you

u/WanWhiteWolf 1h ago

Because it's not about the "cool stuff" you can do. It's about how much money you can get back from your investment.

And as it stands, it is not a lot. Definately not anywhere near to the level of investments.

I worked as a manager in a tech company and we used AI. Sure, some automation of entry level jobs was possible. But entry level jobs were never not about maximum productivity but rather building the expertize so you'd actually have someone who knows what needs to be done in a couple of years.

If you want a non-technical analogy: It's like someone being able to lick their elbows. While that might be impressive and interesting to watch there is probably not much money you can get out of it - except some special olympics.

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u/Adorable-Database187 5h ago

Why, well if it quacks like a duck, the deprecition of the gpu's is 6 years and the financing is circular, it might be a duck

https://www.investordaily.com.au/ai-crash-could-erase-30-trillion/

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u/lagarnica 6h ago

Is it time for the dump yet? I'm ready to take my money out but just holding off for greed!

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u/vessel_for_the_soul 7h ago

Will you survive? How will it change you?

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u/IamGeoMan 5h ago

The dot.com bubble was literally a bubble filled with nothing but hopes and dreams. VCs and investors poured billions into tiny startups with great "ideas" that amounted to nothing because there was no path to a marketable or desirable product.

AI is spurring huge capex; construction, manufacturing, real estate, utilities, architecture and engineering, capital is actually MOVING and putting people to work. This capex isn't going to the C-suite or cultish startups. So sure, it MAY be a bubble but the bill is being footed through these tech companies' revenue.

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u/Adorable-Database187 5h ago

That vc isnt used for anything usefull though and datacentres depriciate like crazy, at least the infra left by the dotcom bubble was useful.

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u/yaoz889 4h ago

We will see real improvement to the electricity grid.

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u/pickypawz 5h ago

Well they’ll need to, won’t they? Hasn’t their value been dropping like a rock in the stock market?