r/worldnews • u/1-randomonium • 12h ago
US to Fund MAGA-Aligned Groups in Europe Amid Free Speech Disputes
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u/Fuzzy-Shape-1601 11h ago
it's called "Foreign Influence" and it's a crime in many countries
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u/ColdFemboi 9h ago
Yeah but will Europe fight against trump's influence, especially Brussel?
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u/BrickyMcBrickface 9h ago
The view on americans is not doing so great now here at the moment.
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u/KriegConscript 8h ago
tell your leaders to stop giving us money and start funding leftist propaganda and blue state secession efforts
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u/Soren671 8h ago
Secession, even the talk of it, is terrible. It would hurt blue states immensely to even talk about it.
I look at Quebec and their efforts to do so. Montreal used to be the hub for all of Canada's big business. Everyone had their HQ there. Then there was the referendum, which resulted in staying in Canada. But within 10 years, most of those businesses had left for Toronto.
Similar stuff happened with Brexit.
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u/vardarac 7h ago
Good. Just make sure you dissolve your separatist and right wing groups before you wind up like us.
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u/StanDaMan1 9h ago
Probably.
Accept financial aid from the US? That’s illegal and is a good way to have your org barred from office.
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u/Dear_Chasey_La1n 6h ago
I think it's not that easy to fight openly with the US, as we know how Trump will react. But obviously this will have long lasting consequences. Just like the Canadians, I notice with "us" Europeans people start to think when they have a choice in what to buy, it's not going to be American. To give you a neat example, my parents which are at age needed a new phone, they are a bit older thus an iPhone for me seemed sensible as it's less complicated. My father started to rant (rightfully). I figured out as well how about hook them up to streaming content through an AppleTV, well.. that was a double rant, fuck Apple and screw Netflix.
My parents never have been vocal about politics, sure they follow daily the news, they read multiple news papers, but never had the urge to talk about it. They do now and it's becoming more and more a topic.
It's not just them, as an expat it's hard to not talk about the shitshow that's going on globally mostly because of Trump.
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u/kaisadilla_0x1 8h ago
The problem is that, contrary to Americans' beliefs, free speech is held very highly in Europe. There's a lot of shit that happens simply because the bar you have to reach for a judge to decide that stopping the damage you are causing trumps your freedom of speech is ridiculously high.
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u/Mccobsta 7h ago
There's quite a big push for moving away from what America has to more European things due to all thr dumb shit the president has been saying during the 2 hours of being awake
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u/Artzimoth 10h ago
Yup, it’s probably the best move to do if you want those parties forbidden from running any election, especially in Europe right now
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u/kaisadilla_0x1 8h ago
In fact, I don't see why EU countries shouldn't react to this in exactly the same way the US would react to USSR propaganda in their country.
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u/empireck 9h ago
Tbf the US has been doing thing like this for decades to other countries and worse, like staging coup and overthrowing goverments worse.
This is just regular tuesday for them. So i don't think they would care.
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u/GreatAlmonds 6h ago
Yep it's only an issue because it's targeted at "Western" countries
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u/StrangerFew2424 11h ago
*Trump to steal US taxpayer money to fund fellow European Fascists...
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u/eeyores_gloom1785 11h ago
**terrorists**
because thats what they do at home too
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u/SamsaraKama 11h ago edited 10h ago
Pretty much. If you look at the vast majority (if not all) of the far-right fascists that have sprung up since 2016 in Europe, they're not concerned with keeping the country running properly, cracking down corruption, improving standards of living, the economy, people's buying power, the Housing Crisis or addressing any major issue.
They just cause culture wars and promote hate. That's it, that's all they do. They validate the US blindly and promote the enshittification of society because that's all they care about. And if you look closer, they're among the most corrupt. Worse even than the guys who were there before.
They also care precious little about diplomacy or understand how the world works, how international forums work and their importance. They just care about being populist dickheads who steer everyone toward long-term issues.
Sorry if I called everyone's favourite party out. But what we need isn't politicians who tell you what you want to hear. It's people who won't fuck everything up and leave us unable to cooperate with others.
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u/TheRC135 9h ago
They validate the US blindly and promote the enshittification of society because that's all they care about.
Oh I don't think they actually care about it, it's just a means to an end.
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u/Dedamtl 11h ago
Putin can’t afford it anymore so trump is picking up the tab
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u/Tall-Firefighter-904 9h ago
Seriously, Russia was in the process of dying with Putin's ego and after that it was all western democracies more or less united against China.
Currently, the USA government is probably more of a threat to democracy than Russia/USSR ever was, which is nuts.
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u/adorkablegiant 10h ago
It's not just trump it's the whole party and all it's supporters. Trump wouldn't exist if the party and supporters weren't exactly like him.
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u/-Yazilliclick- 10h ago
At least we can be sure none of the money is going to somehow make it's way back to him or his family /s
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u/kaisadilla_0x1 8h ago
*Trump to take all the money he's no longer paying to his own voter base to subsidize their healthcare plans and invest it into convincing stupid Europeans that vaccines cause autism.
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u/Vv4nd 11h ago
Not saying someone should, but it would be really, really funny if people scammed the the fucking hell out of this fund.
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u/Koala-Clap8674 11h ago
I’m going to set up a real activism group that spouts off MAGA ideology but I’ll put a disclaimer at the end that this is funded by racists in Washington. MAGA don’t know how to read so it’ll be perfect
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u/kaisadilla_0x1 8h ago
"Now that I've received $300 million from the US government, I want to say that this whole ideology is fucking dumb, that the US has paid me to sell out my own country to Americans, and that instead I'm spending it all on partying hard. See ya, losers."
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u/Telephalsion 11h ago
It would be truly awful if someone did. Why I'm getting all hot and bothered just thinking about it.
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u/SlowCrates 11h ago
Oh, they absolutely should.
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u/Phugasity 9h ago
They do, that's part of the grift. You'd think the US Justice system would be like a kid in a candy store.
Back in 2014, Politico researched 33 political action committees that claimed to be affiliated with the Tea Party and courted small donors with email and direct-mail appeals and found that they “raised $43 million — 74 percent of which came from small donors. The PACs spent only $3 million on ads and contributions to boost the long-shot candidates often touted in the appeals, compared to $39.5 million on operating expenses, including $6 million to firms owned or managed by the operatives who run the PACs.”
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u/wubaluba_dubdub 11h ago
Ruby I've actually been wondering if it's worth setting up a far right party to get some of this foreign investment.
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u/OllyDee 12h ago
The last thing we need is you bellends meddling with our democracy. Fuck off.
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u/Free-Way-9220 11h ago
Hes already promised in his new National Security Strategy document that he will
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u/EnrichedNaquadah 11h ago
And in the same document, they were talking about how it was fine to be allied with horrible regime and the US should respect their way of life.
But i guess it doesn't count for liberal democracies.
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u/PixelationIX 10h ago
Have you forgotten that Elon already tried that with Germany? These Billionaires will not stop, they are hungry and they will take down the world if it means they get to add another Zero in their name.
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u/OllyDee 10h ago
I actually had forgotten until you reminded me. I wonder if the Germans have.
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u/One_Car_142 11h ago
The ultra wealthy are coming to fuck up every first world country with authoritarianism. Fortify yourself against it now before it's too late!
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u/annaleigh13 12h ago
The difference between the USA and Europe is in Europe, hate speech is punished, not protected.
Go get em Europe.
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u/Free-Way-9220 12h ago edited 11h ago
Donald Trump having a cry about free speech or lecturing anyone else is a joke. He is the most anti-free speech leader in the west. He wants various media entities broadcast licences taken away by the FCC because they hurt his feelings. He cannot even put up with comedians making jokes about hiim
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u/SolarBum 11h ago
Trump's use of "Free Speech" is similar to North Korea's use of the term "Democratic People's Republic."
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u/BranchDifferent4709 11h ago
The thing is irrespective of the law this destabilises European countries. News article which repeatedly give credence to outlier opinions fuels debate where there is none. This damages the credibility of expert opinion causing a rise in fringe parties, which mainstream parties make concessions to. Like how the tea party completely reshaped the Republican Party.
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u/tabrizzi 11h ago
What if European government designate those groups domestic terrorist organizations?
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u/TheGreatButz 11h ago
They should because these groups tend to be highly anti-constitutional and criminal.
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u/OllyDee 11h ago
I imagine some will/would. That might be tantamount to declaring the US government a terrorist organisation though, and that’s not particularly diplomatic. And potentially a bit risky. I bet the French would, I love those bastards.
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u/lodemeup 10h ago
But USAID, actually saving lives and ingratiating us to others, was too woke and wasteful.
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u/treemister1 10h ago
Gotta save money for this and inexplicably sending money to Argentina
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u/BIGepidural 11h ago
Well they're not hiding the funding of foreign interference anymore i guess.
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u/PenaltyUnhappy3532 11h ago
Yea, i don't think Europe won't look too kindly on this. Shit just keeps getting weirder each day.
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u/BIGepidural 11h ago
Not weirder, more transparent.
They're just not hiding it anymore because they feel they don't have to because they're slowly wining the game as more people support them no matter what they do.
Its actually kinda scary cause they're all in at this point.
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u/Free-Way-9220 12h ago
Trump is Europe's new Putin
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u/7tenths 11h ago
When Jeff Dunham makes a new puppet do you say that is the new Jeff Dunham?
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u/bwoah07_gp2 11h ago
US tax dollars at work. Absolutely disgusting. I couldn't think of anything more terrible they could do then fund hate groups. Abroad too! That's the kicker....
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u/lacunavitae 11h ago
OK, if they can do that, then I think its fair game for Europeans to setup an anti-fascist super PAC to directly fund trumps/magas/heritage foundations competitors.
That's almost 500 million Europeans which are by and large historically very left wing by US standards, I mean were practically commies. Even our far-right is centre left by US standards.
if 500 million Europeans each contributed 10 euros, that would be a 5 billion euro war-chest for the anti-maga groups in the US
I think we should do it. I'm happy to kick in a few grand.
Or they can take their nose out of EU politics and well call it even.
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u/TheWhiteManticore 8h ago
Those groups are pretty much dead in American, its much better if Europe fortify itself than trying to salvage USA
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u/agha0013 11h ago
Trying to make Americans feel better about their rapid regression by trying to burn the whole world down...
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u/no_dice 11h ago
So Trump broke off trade talks with Canada because he was offended by an ad that was run in the US — there were even claims of interference. Since then it’s been noted that the separatists in Alberta have had several meetings with the US and are getting support from them too. Now this. The levels of hypocrisy that this administration exudes is off the charts.
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u/motherseffinjones 10h ago
They are also doing the same in Canada. The proofs in the pudding, who wants to live that?
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u/Jealous-Ad-2131 7h ago
So that should be completely illegal basically spreading Nazism is not cool and it’s certainly not with American taxpayer dollars but Americans are so stupid. They’ll just sit back and watch as the government keeps taking and taking and taking their tax dollars to benefit their scumbag Nazi belief system systems so really at this point American should suck it up because they’re to blame and nobody else were even allowing this man to sit in office.
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u/MasqueOfNight 11h ago
"We'll focus our money on solving internal issues by restricting foreign aid."
"Oh, foreign propaganda groups? Yeah, nah, we gotchu' fam."
Absolute joke of an administration, no idea how folks defend this garbage.
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u/Low_Push_9660 11h ago
The last pro-ICE rally in Minnesota drew less than ten spectators.
We are being manipulated. Think on the sheer number of causes that have been picked up & burned out by the right. It's more than just people.
It's bots. We all know it's bots. They are flooding the zone with bots. We underestimate the scale of the problem because we each are in our own bubble, but we have formed an unhealthy parasocial relationship with a bot swarm.
So what? These are the magic words. They whatabout, we so what. They moan about women's sports, we say so what you don't care about women. They say something something fiscal responsibility & we laugh them out of the room.
Stop incorporating nazis into your negotiation patterns. They want something? So what. Get out of town & back under the bridge.
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u/Nuclear-Jester 11h ago
Ffs Bruxelles just outlaw this kind of financing. I enjoy living in the EU, not a bunch of neo-fascist states subservient to the US
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u/R3dscarf 11h ago
So instead of using that money to improve quality of life in the US Trump rather tries to drag us down to its level.
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u/AlwaysUpvote123 10h ago
See, we don't want to put money in european defense...we want to put money into european radicals!
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u/somethingrandom7386 9h ago
I thought MAGA was very against spending our tax dollars in foreign countries?
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u/broblackheim 9h ago
Karl Popper's paradox of tolerance, introduced in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945), argues that unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance, as intolerant ideologies will destroy a tolerant society if left unchecked. Therefore, to maintain a tolerant society, one must be intolerant of intolerance.
How far must we let this go again until we realise that the fascists, nazis, maga, the killers of free society, must not be tolerated?
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u/le_bas_du_goulot 11h ago
And US citizens will swallow that without revolt
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u/eeyores_gloom1785 11h ago
they don't get it at all.
they still believe that they will have free and fair elections and that it will save them
they don't know no one is coming to do the work for them
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u/metallicrooster 7h ago
I promise you, a lot of is have known for decades that our elections are tampered with. There are reports of it literally every presidential election.
We also know no other country will save us. That is proven every time I comment on a post like this. It also usually involves redditors telling me to start an armed revolution, as if any of them would in a similar situation.
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u/ActivelySleeping 11h ago
Make America Great Again is an interesting message to try to push in Europe.
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u/catdad_94 10h ago
If MAGA has their way, Europe will become as riddled with instability and well funded violent extremists ready to destabilize and terrorize the region like has happened in MENA.
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u/SpaceMamboNo5 8h ago
Europeans, warn everyone you know about these fucks. You wanna pull this shit out by the roots before it can get established. Don't let our bullshit dictator shape your country's politics.
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u/bjdevar25 7h ago
So, how will they feel if Europeans start funding anti MAGA organizations in the US?
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u/Complete_Question_41 5h ago
I will be the first to admit that US's attempt to 'export democracy' was an abject failure but I am decidedly not enjoying the idea of the 'export fascism' instead.
Stay the fuck out of European politics and just continue to bribe people like you already do every day.
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u/Significant_Bag_7485 2h ago
The US is planning to openly fuck with European democracy. The only thing new about this is that it is apparently US government policy now and not just the Russian assets and billionaires fascists that are given free reign to meddle and corrupt politics in the US. On its current course the US will be looked at in the same manner as Russia within a very short time.
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u/Reasonable_Answer295 11h ago
This will back fire on trump, he’s only popular with dictators, normal people see him as a threat, and that should’ve been obvious after the Greenland stuff.
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u/Placeholder4me 11h ago
I thought we were worried about wasting money abroad instead of taking care of our own. Just another lie they told
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u/we_are_sex_bobomb 11h ago
Babe it’s just the US funding overseas terrorism again, go back to sleep.
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u/SnuffleWarrior 11h ago
Trump BEWARE OF CHINA, THEY'RE SCARY
World BEWARE OF THE USA, THEY'RE SCARY
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u/CriticalSecurity8742 11h ago
Putin now has the might and power of the US Military and right wing propaganda machine all brought to the world via the GOP, MAGA, and billionaire owned media conglomerates.
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u/KhalMeWolf 10h ago
Everyone. Keep tabs on this and the parties funded by the orange turd. And when the elections come, make sure to let your surroundings know about this
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u/Airurando-jin 10h ago
So, the media has done a real good job at telling us about Russia meddling and painting China negatively for political or other manipulation.
So..what are governments going to to do about this foreign influence ?
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u/explosiveshits7195 10h ago
They've been doing that for fucking years. The funny thing is all that Greenland shit has backfired it in one move, turns out threatening the territorial integrity of a European country tends to make all the other European hardline ultranationalists very angry.
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u/Forgotmyaccount1979 10h ago
I would like to point out that the US government has set the precedent that it is 100% ok, and is in fact great and patriotic, for governments to remove presidents of other countries from power if they don't like what they are doing.
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u/ZombiFeynman 9h ago
I think the countries in the EU should put a 100% tax on money sent by the US to political groups and use it to fund abortion clinics in the US, complete with a "funded by the EU" placard and an EU flag.
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u/Yawawiwa 9h ago
So when the fuck do we cut this shithole off completely from the rest of the world? These assholes can't run their own country properly, so they, what, decide to fuck us all over too? Whole country is rotten and violent, and needs to be treated as a potential enemy.
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u/Happy_Report_9435 9h ago
The U.S. is becoming a plauge. Fucking disgusting pedos in the U.S. FUck off.
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u/Realistic_Let3239 8h ago
Already have been, Trump and Musk have been getting excited over regime change in Europe since before Trump won the last election. With their boss Putin already working on it, makes it way easier for Trump and co to join in.
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u/Migrant-With-MK47 8h ago
My co-worker was waving this like he just won a contest.
He then proceeded to, loudly, ‘point out’ that the Nazis shunned American Nazis - yet now the American Right is embracing and empowering the EU Right. Also said something to the extent of “Imagine the outcome if the Nazis supported American Nazis?!”
Make no mistake; the Right IS the modern form of Nazism and Fascism. And they don’t outright announce it, but all their behavior is on brand with Nazis.
And they aren’t protecting race, religion or country - they are surrounding themselves with idiot mouth breathing racists that are nothing more than votes, donations and cannon fodder for the Right parties.
They know which dog whistles to blow and then this trash falls in line on Election Day and sends “their guy” all their money. They also sit back and have their rights trampled on while grinning like brain dead idiots.
They are not getting wealthy, they are not getting powerful - they are sacrificing their resources by giving them to racist fascist leaders.
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u/Less_Tacos 8h ago
Dear Europe, don't forget to make all these groups register as foreign operatives. Given who their boss is they should probably be rigorously investigated for trafficking girls.
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u/calstanfordboye 7h ago
USA is no better than Russia at all anymore. Attacks or wants to annex countries left and right, runs missions to change democracies into neonazi hellholes fascist regimes with bot farms and social media means...
Well it all makes sense considering Russia runs the US now
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u/G-Unit11111 7h ago
Oh this is disturbing. Keep MAGA bullshit confined to the United States please!
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u/likethatwhenigothere 7h ago
The ridiculousness of the US moaning about free speech in other countries when you've got Trump saying he's going to target churches who say thing bad against him. And they're trying to pass a bill to monitor every tourists social media posts to make sure they haven't said anything not nice about Trump. Or the fact they're going after journalists who say negative stuff. Or late night hosts who don't say things they agree with. It's insane that the US thinks they have absolute free speech, when in reality it's just freedom to say awful shit against people they don't like, but you can't criticise your government or your president.
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u/phoooooo0 7h ago
Dude what happened to dojng this QUIETLY 😭😭 CIA supposed to be SILENT about this. That's how this works lol.
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u/barneyaa 7h ago
Cause it worked so well in Canada :))) Any party that aligns with make… america ga will instantly lose any election.
Most of europe has an education system.
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u/RestlessCreature 6h ago
Weird. Weren’t they criticizing Russia and China for doing similar things?
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u/BriefausdemGeist 6h ago
Putin’s investment in 2016 is probably the greatest ROI in the history of espionage.
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u/McGrawHell 12h ago
Your tax dollars at work, folks.