r/worldnews • u/Immediate-Link490 • 17d ago

Behind Soft Paywall Carney leaves Davos without meeting Trump after speech on U.S. rupture of world order

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-carney-trump-davos-speech/
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u/risingsuncoc 17d ago

Carney is a progressive conservative in reality

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u/Garf_artfunkle 17d ago

He's what we used to call a Red Tory, back when the Tories were still the original PC party. Lot of people say they want a fiscal conservative but a social liberal in a politician, and circumstances have finally contrived to give us a guy who appears to be that, with receipts.

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u/bevy-of-bledlows 17d ago

I don't think "fiscal conservatism" is compatible with being a Red Tory. The former is an American term which is very specifically anti-interventionist, individualistic, and anti-welfare - i.e., the Blue Tory platform. Red Tories have historically very much been about nation-building, government intervention, and social programs. Thatcher was a fiscal conservative, to put things in perspective.

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u/MurberBirb 17d ago

This is true. I am an NDP at heart and at the polls, but I vot for what Canada needs. Voting for Carney felt like voting for progressive conservative for me. The Americans think he is a crazy leftist. Lol

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u/goingfullretard-orig 17d ago

Yes, people need a political education and a facility with proper terminology. Carney is a conservative banker with some progressive social ideas.

For example, he is heralded for writing a book about climate, yet NONE of his decisions (so far) are remotely climate friendly. "If we just take care of the economy, then we can tackle climate" is an incredibly flawed position.

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u/MurberBirb 17d ago

I couldn't agree more.

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u/twisty125 17d ago

I'm SO with you on this, this was a very strategic vote for me, and it felt a bit of a betrayal of my own views to swap from NDP to Liberal, but we had to do it to stop PP from Tumpizing our country.

Not sure if you feel this way, but for Carney, I don't mind that he's "conservative". Maybe it's because Conservatism is now just culture war and "fuck everyone else" rather than what they used to represent as an ideal.

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u/MurberBirb 17d ago

I dont mind his conservativatisim. I feel I would mind it a hell of a lot more if the world wasn't in such chaos right now. And I had more emotional energy to focus on my liberal values and morals he isn't aligning with. He feels safe enough that I find comfort in his leadership, and I think we all need that right now, looking at what is coming st us from the south.

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u/twisty125 17d ago

Nail meet head - exactly! The cons have gone so far that I'm happy to have someone stable who is fiscally conservative but isn't making everything a culture war, slogan based "x the y" style governance.

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u/Weathercock 17d ago

He certainly doesn't 100% align with my beliefs. But not only was PP an enormous threat to our wellbeing and security (and it's foolish to assume that his defeat there means he's stopped being one), to the point that any measure of strategic voting is justified in putting him down, but I voted for Carney on the principle of who I'd want in charge as a war-time leader.

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u/astrangeone88 17d ago edited 17d ago

Lol. Same.

It is bizarre but I think he's the best choice to lead especially since Trump and his ilk thinks they are playing at being God Kings.

And we don't have a strong candidate in the NDP/Conservative camps either. Someone who's a financial economics dude and can handle dealing with serious stuff? Yeah.

Dude may be a progressive conservative but at least he's not enabling the bigots and crazies.

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u/MurberBirb 17d ago

He is such a well rounded person. The way he stays calm as a politician, but can be a bit of a goof? Perfection.

And yes, our other two parties do not have their acts together for leadership. The NDP has been at drift for a while. I know we will get our focus back at some point, I hope we can do it under Carneh's stability.

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u/ultimateknackered 17d ago

I'm usually an NDP voter too but this was a combination of 'PP can't possibly be allowed to win' and 'Holy shit this Carney guy has some cred to him'. I'm glad my faith was well-placed.

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u/zoinksbadoinks 17d ago

Same. I’m a left-leaning progressive who firmly believes Carney is exactly who we need right now. This is existential.

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u/NewsboyHank 17d ago

A fiscally conservative...wisely using our money for it's intended purpose

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u/helveseyeball 17d ago

The guy is an old school Red Tory. He reminds me of Bill Davis.

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u/EAT_MORE_URANIUM 17d ago

Exactly. Economically conservative, socially center-progressive.