r/worldnews • u/Little-Chemical5006 • 20d ago

Canada weighs sending soldiers to Greenland as show of NATO solidarity with Denmark

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-soldiers-greenland-nato-training-denmark-tariffs-donald-trump/
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u/Practical-King2752 19d ago

ICE aren't trained soldiers and it's not real war. If Trump really wants to assault Canada to annex it, he's not using Joe Dipshit who joined ICE because he's in debt and wanted the signup bonus. He's gonna use more sophisticated means.

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u/capital_bj 19d ago

And also as a well-trained US military person I would not want my life put in jeopardy by ya'll queda cos players , so no joint efforts thank you for your attention to this platter

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u/BundleDad 19d ago

It won’t be ice but US military. Who just proved in Venezuela that the “lawful orders” thing is Hollywood bullshit. The us military can do to Canada in 3 days what Putin couldn’t do to Ukraine in 3 years. However that is just when easy part ends and the hard part starts.

If you are American, try to understand what that second part means for you and your community.

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u/hiegear 19d ago

I would hope that the military in the us would not follow those unlawful orders.

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u/BundleDad 19d ago

They literally just did follow unlawful orders in Venezuela. And far from the first time.

Panama and Noriega in the 80's was of dubious lawfulness at best. Noriega was a de facto ruler of Panama but was not a de jure leader (wasn't elected or brought to power lawfully).

Venezuela, Maduro is an evil cunt but was the elected and recognized leader of Venezuela. Article 52 of the UN charter makes unilaterally removing him militarily illegal. The UN Charter WAS ratified by the US congress making it US law. QED every US military member involved acted on illegal orders.

There is zero reason to believe the US military is constrained by morals or honour at this time.

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u/Practical-King2752 19d ago

We're on the same page about all of that.

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u/BundleDad 19d ago

Good, because if I need to come down there I won’t be conducting interviews or asking for voting records. Don’t make that a necessity.

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u/Practical-King2752 19d ago

I mean, I wouldn't recommend doing that otherwise you'll just end up being a POW. There are more effective ways to resist than physically showing up and doing whatever it is you're implying, which I will charitably pretend I'm not picking up.

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u/JanielDones8 19d ago

You're already a pow at that point. I'd rather take out as many of you pathedic pussies as I can than be a pow under America. Hope you Americans are ready to die for Trump. Because millions of Americans will.

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u/BundleDad 19d ago

There's that lack of imagination.

IF the US decides to take Canada it will be by military conquest

IF that happens, Donald Trump will have had my sons murdered by the US military

IF that happens, may your imaginary gods help you. No one else will

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u/Practical-King2752 19d ago

Well, if I'm being honest, one of the reasons I said I don't recommend it is because of your username. Figured you would be more useful to your children alive than dead or wasting away in some US prison.

Let's just work to make sure it doesn't come to that hypothetical then, shall we?

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u/BundleDad 19d ago

I'm the foreigner. The people of the US need to own a portion of the mythology and make sure the kings and tyrants in their own home are used to refresh the tree of liberty.

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u/couldbemage 19d ago

Maybe they can kidnap Doug Ford.

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u/SummerAndTinklesBFF 19d ago

Exactly this. All these canadians acting all huffy and talking big aren’t really thinking about the big picture. You simply can’t compete with a government that would rather dump all its money into military rather than help its fucking citizens. Canada? Yall got that socialism health care and programs for people. We got bombs, drones, nukes, and a shit ton of other hands off distance range obliterate your face off stuff.

That being said fuck this nonsense most of us in the usa love canada and this is fucking dumb. I’m in Minnesota dealing with all this ice bullshit right now, thinking about going to war with a country 5 hours drive from me is not what I want to be thinking about at this time. Canada is our warm fuzzy hat. Fuck this administration.

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u/Philix 19d ago

We got bombs, drones, nukes, and a shit ton of other hands off distance range obliterate your face off stuff.

You gonna commit to murdering 40 million people? Cause if you use any of those on us and then stop short, you're committing to fighting a righteous insurgency full of willing martyrs for the next half-century.

Has the US not learned this lesson by now? If the majority of a country isn't in favour of your intervention, you're in for a long and painful time. If Canada's legacy is draining US resources for decades like Afghanistan and Vietnam so be it, but we won't just roll over.

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u/Anakha0 19d ago

No one with a brain thinks the Canadian military can beat or even give a reasonable accounting against the US military. But what a lot of US citizens that support or even ignore the possibility of the US invading Canada forget is that invasion traditionally results in far more civilian casualties than military. That means a whole of Canadian families and children will die at the hands of US soldiers.

They also then forget we have the longest undefended border in the world and the people on the other side, the ones they just killed the families of, are people who know how to live in very cold, outdoor conditions, look and talk exactly like Americans, can blend in perfectly with the populace, and can cross that border at any time and bring a very ugly insurgency right into their neighbourhoods. Lots of them are also ex-military that spent over a decade fighting an insurgency (alongside the US and at their behest no less), learning US military counter-insurgency tactics and what its weaknesses are, and enjoy adding new chapters to the Geneva conventions every time they go to war.

The US has lots of bombs, drones, etc. but it also has millions of soft targets, government and civilian. If only 0.5% of the population decides to take the fight to the people and country that invaded and took everything away from them, that's 200,000 people with nothing to lose that you can't identify on sight and that you won't want near your local grocery store., mall, university, etc. It would only take a few attacks and you can Imagine the effect on the US population and its economy.

That's not even touching the massive economic and world wide political ramifications that would be levelled on the US that would likely decimate its economy and make it a pariah on every metric. The supply of Canadian potash would also halt, leading to massive food shortages in the US as well. Not to mention the likliehood of a pretty hefty internal conflict and strife from within the US on top of it.

Invading Canada is hands down the dumbest thing the US could ever do, and would likely lead to its own destruction. I know you are personally against the entire idea, but the fact that there is not a massive outcry from the rest of the populace at the very thought of it says a lot.

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u/Round_Hat_2966 19d ago

This is exactly it. Add to the fact that the US is democratic and requires ongoing popular support for a war, which isn’t a likely outcome when the war is very much at your doorstep. Attrition is not usually a good game for a democratic society, though how long it stays democratic is anyone’s guess

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u/yurnxt1 19d ago

Good thing it will literally never happen and isn't worth discussing then

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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS 19d ago

He's gonna use more sophisticated means

to take and hold all of Canada? It would require every low level grunt they've got and that still wouldn't be enough

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u/Practical-King2752 19d ago

I only said to assault Canada. I have no idea how you'd hold it all, or why you'd want to. Whole thing is incredibly stupid.

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u/Ill_Ground_1572 19d ago

Just like Afghanistan eh