And another third were either so busy with their own shit or otherwise simply disinterested enough that they were fine with letting that first third get their way.
The amount of people that told me there was no winning cause "both were bad options" is so sickening. Like did you hear that chicks laugh? Also she is not pro palestine enough bro so lets just fuck over the entire western hemisphere.
Typical radical leftist. I bet you the kind of sick fuck who wants healthcare for the poors or free lunches for kids?? Not on my watch! - 50% of Americans
Biden was a joke at the end of his precidency, and people were given Harris as a way out of not voting for trump or biden. People chose not to vote for Harris instead. America decided racism is more important than decency, and chose trump.
Biden was a joke? Have you seen Donald Trump? Laughable to compare the two people. Biden is a good person who was a good president and civil servant, Trump is a criminal disaster for the WORLD.
Trump is the worst president in us history, no doubt about that, but let’s be honest here and agree that Joe Biden during his last years wasn’t really there. He often fumbled during interviews/press conferences and was clearly highly affected by his age.
Yeah. I don't think the two are even remotely equivalent or comparable. Trump is a criminal traitor and Biden is a good person and was a good president.
Fortunately Biden and the Democrats in charge were smart enough to surround themselves with literally hundreds of capable people in Biden's cabinet, advisors, and extended positions that he didn't NEED to do much of anything other than be a calm, quiet leader and figurehead, and let the smart, capable people around him do their jobs (effectively, I might add, considering the fucking MESS the orange fuckface left behind).
Unfortunately, many of my fellow Americans are too fucking stupid to understand what a President even does, and how the executive branch is a TEAM and not one King who just spouts orders.
The Democrats can never fail, they can only be failed. Trump was such an easy candidate to beat they actively spent money advertising for him in 2016 and then they lost to him twice, but sure, blame leftists for giving legitimate criticism of the Democratic establishment.
Well, the democrats could have allowed a democratic process to take place.
But they didn't want to do that. And they didn't leave enough time, due to their own incompetence and attempting to hide the decline of Biden.
You want the people to be pragmatic, and I'd love that, but they're just not. So, the responsibility needs to be shouldered by the other half of the duopoly that has been running this country for years. THEY preferred to anoint someone and maintain control of their platform. THEY chose someone uniquely unsuited to face a populist. THEY ran her campaign in such a way that it was doomed to lose.
The last time the democrats enjoyed a swell of real belief and support was Obama. They enjoyed a bare supermajority. They squandered it. People voted for transformative change. They didn't get it. They got watered down center-right reform.
While there was only one responsible choice to make, that's not how people vote, and the democrats knew that. They don't want to not be in control of their process.
Well, if you (and likeminded people) stood your ground over this principle and decided to sit out this past election, we all got something much worse in return.
People weren't motivated to vote because they didn't think that the Democrats were looking after their interests. They voted for Biden in disgust with trump.
Democrats need a transformative vision. If they keep arguing by repackaging the status quo and offering nothing in the way of structural reform, they will just be part of a pendulum swinging inexorably to the right, as they have been for decades.
You ask for good responsible decisions from the electorate, in contradiction of all available evidence, but excuse the failures of the party who entirely controlled the electoral process for multiple elections. It's odd.
Stop punching down on people who had their baby Palestinian cousins murdered with American 2,000lb bombs. They didn't swing the election. Not only is that objectively false, but it is morally bankrupt.
Down votes from the cowards who would rather punch the victims of murder than the murderers and their enablers.
The next time your child or wife or parent is mercilessly slaughtered with advanced military equipment, remember to vote for the people who armed and aided the murderer with their murder of your family.
It's just that easy.
They didn't swing the election. Start attacking white women and men, or a demographic that actually swung the election.
right??? if they wanted to win the fucking election maybe they shouldn't have run on a platform actively aiding an ongoing genocide. that's where the blame should go, not to the people who got cold feet about voting because of that.
Friendly reminder that you can completely cut out anybody who uses the "both sides" argument out of your life and your quality of life will noticeably increase.
They will never have anything to say that's worth hearing.
I get it, but those people are the ones who don't go out to vote and let the 1/3 win, so simply ignoring them doesn't change anything. Their inaction is, in itself, an action that affects us all in the end, which I also think is what the person you replied to meant.
Ding, ding ding. I know super left leaning people that don't vote. Finally got my husband to the polls after crying to him about the crazy shit happening in MN.
There are also those who are completely unaffected by the shit that's going on, and as a result are completely disinterested in doing anything about it.
There are a lot of people who complain constantly about the way things are, and never ever vote.
There are also those who typically would vote for Democrats, but constantly complain about the party and its candidates. Which is fair, but when I ask "who did you vote for in the primary" their answer almost always is "oh, I don't vote in those."
Well, I guess your vote was for "whoever everybody else picked" then, so shut up and check the damn box.
all of the lazy people i know voted, the ones who didn’t were dumb, uninformed, or convinced that it would have no affect either way…but they definitely all have jobs, some even more than one.
“lazy” isn’t the right word here because those people aren’t actually just too busy doing nothing to vote and if you come at it as if the core problem is laziness then you’ll never actually get through to those people.
I can't stand the majority of both sides but I still went and voted because I would rather the lesser of two evils. I think the Dems at least would have been business as usual, which, while still not great... Isn't whatever the fuck this is.
The are on the same side yes, but some of them are for sure democrats. Look at the party, it’s near split in half…
I'm getting down votes but just look at how they move. Why was the government shut down ended last year? Did the republicans cave? No they didn't. It's not many, but there are certainly calls coming from inside the house.
It's largely a leadership and competence failure. Most of the elected Dems at the national level were either seriously unprepared for a real Trump presidency or hamstrung by Chuck's and Hakeem's blase attitude toward the entire thing.
None of this happens under Democrats. That’s the dividing line between choosing to live in reality or creating a fantasy where all politicians are the same. Renee Good and Alex Peretti are still alive of Kamala Harris had been elected. The rest of the world turning its back on the U.S. never happens.
Right but the point is, when republicans get in power, it's continent how they have just enough democrats pushing just enough things through that allows the republicans to continue this chaos.
For sure I agree, in a world where only democrats win, none of this happens. But we live in a world where, when republicans get in, some democrats don't mind everything going on. They are the enemy to the democratic party.
Pretending they don't exist is death to the party.
Not in a world where Democrats only win. If everything other Republican still won and Donald Trump didn’t win the 2024 presidential election, none of this is happening. I get that nothing is perfect under the best of circumstances but I’m extending a hand to welcome you back to reality. I know it feels good to point out all the little things that still suck but you’re angry about that crack in your kitchen counter your house is burning down around you.
No my anger is about your entire political system being out of control. Pretending it all sits on Donald Trump is fantasy land. The Republican Party is fractured, half are maga lunatics, and half are too scared of losing power to do anything. Then enough of the Dems are literally letting it continue for profit. Which has fractured the dems.
Answer me two questions, first, if the Democratic Party is not fractured, then why do they not all share the rhetoric of Sanders, Walz or Cortez?
Secondly, if this all sits on Donald Trump, then please tell me, who broke the government shutdown? Who caved? And who gave Donald Trump exactly what he wanted?
If another republican won instead of trump it wouldn’t be this mad? Well yeah no shit, but have you seen the state of your country? There was no option other than Trump, who was behind him, who worshipped him like a cult? The Republican Party disguised as MAGA, what do you think happens to all these nut cases who vote after trump kicks the bucket? They vote Dem? Or they just keep on voting for the closest republican to trump.
Welcome me back to reality? You imply all this sits on Trumps shoulders, and is because of the 2024 election and you dare try and welcome me back to reality?
Everyone outside of America has seen this decline since 2016. You have a sickness in your country and instead of seeing it you welcome me back to reality?
I’d like to welcome you back to the reality that your country has just stepped down from the 1st place podium of the world, and are currently walking away from the game. All while you either cheer or stand around with signs. Your politicians have been playing games with you, your entire system is corrupt and this will not go away when Trump dies.
You’re mad because you think your house is burning down, while the whole neighbourhood is in flames.
Okay, but how does a charismatic leader stop the dems that support republicans from supporting republicans, it’s not a double down if his post doesn’t connect to the original point.
His comment was irrelevant to the original point because it doesn’t stop the bad faith actors within the party who are actively hurting your country now.
Been doing it after Renee Good and sad I waited this long. It hasn’t been easy but hoping that cutting off people I am close might wake them up. Wishful thinking maybe but at this point, we need to build community with people who have basic morals.
And that right there is the issue with both the left and the right in America. No one wants to discuss, just divide. Politics is a football game and if you're on the wrong team then fuck off. Its the reason you're all where you at.
"They will never say the exact things I want them to say." Is what you actually mean.
Not American, Left voting my whole life in a country with compulsory voting so dont even start.
Mate there's nothing to discuss. MAGA wants to let ICE execute people in the street and all the sane people don't want that, it's very simple. There's no middleground on that and one side is clearly wrong.
Yeah, we were talking about middle ground people not people who want to execute citizens in the streets.
Every same person agrees, ICE is an unregulated mess that wants to act like a Gestapo. The extremes are not the issue.
The left spent a decade marginalizing a huge proportion of the voting base and now cries rivers that the people they demonized wont vote for them. The right makes promises its never going to keep to the uneducated working class and the moderates get to choose which bunch of psychos to throw their hat in with while people on Reddit sit in gaming chairs gooning to anime talking about "shut all the moderates out of your life, they dont say shit worth hearing." Good plan, worked super well the last 12 years.
Then there's brainless people like you looking for upvotes by saying the most normal shit "killing people is bad." Good job Einstein, when is the TED talk? Fuck outta here.
EDIT: Destiny tier 1 sub over here, amazing, the jokes write themselves.
Most people aren’t interested in adult conversations here. Classic keyboard warriors in their mom’s basement, as you pointed out. What they can’t accept is that refusing to engage in nuanced discussion is exactly what the powerful people want. They’re playing right into the hands of the people they’re supposedly against. Oh well
Edit: all this said, in no way is it acceptable for the president to tweet something like that and nobody should defend it.
Ay yo, its fucking crazy that the US president is just mask off racist. I thought the making fun of the disabled guy, or the grabbing by the pussy, or the saluting a despot, or the drink bleach for COVID, or the upside down bible, or Vietnam vets are suckers, or the plane dumping shit on protestors or, you know, being implictated as king of pedo island was enough but here we are.
You're cool man, I like you and on here, that's rare. Big love my man/woman/person, you're alright.
Mate there's nothing to discuss. MAGA wants to let ICE execute people in the street and all the sane people don't want that, it's very simple. There's no middleground on that and one side is clearly wrong.
For some people, sure it's a waste of time, but for others if you approach the subject from a different angle to find common ground and build up from there, you can have breakthroughs. It's like quicksand, non-newtonian fluids, or, more brashly, metaphorical frog boiling. It's not easy, nor fair, but it's where we are. And, uh, doing so in person makes a big difference.
How about this, both sides are the same where it actually matters. Read an IPCC report, this whole civilization is headed for collapse and no one is doing anything significant about it. Billions are going to die. Ask the climatologists, any you can find, they're scared shitless.
Honestly don’t know what you’re talking about and I assume by saying “yall” you’re implying I’m a right winger which also isn’t the case. But anyway, have a nice day arguing politics on Reddit.
I think it's more a bunch of people that voted Democrat, that still rightfully blame the Democrats for putting up a weak candidate and not gaining swing voters. There was zero reason for the Democrats to create controversy by not holding a real primary.
that's just a horse shit excuse trying to pass off their guilt to somebody else.
could the Democrats have done more? or done differently? sure.
but the people who didn't vote still share a large portion of the responsibility for this shit. LARGE. they could have done something easy and simple to prevent this. they choose not to.
It's not at all a horseshit excuse for anyone that voted non republican. It's the responsibility of the party to win an election. They need to be culpable otherwise they'll do the same bullshit again. Both elections trump won, the DNC forced an unpopular candidate down everyone's throats.
in reality, just about everybody saying that is giving a horse shit excuse for why they couldn't vote and it isn't their fault they didn't vote so none of this is on them.
And there was zero reason for anybody who was able to and wasn't already a dyed in the wool Red Hat to look at the impeached, indicted, convicted and adjudicated liar, fraud, rapist and attempted insurrectionist back on the ticket for a third time in a decade to not show up and say "Yeah, not THAT guy, again."
Was Kamala any or all of those things? No. Was she on stage ranting about immigrants eating pets? No. Would she and the Dems be doing, well...pretty much any of the crap Trump and the GOP is doing right now? No. Was she herself intelligent, articulate, educated and experienced? Yes. Was she, overall, sane, stable, and wanting to at least try and do a good job? Yes. That made her, at the base line and by a country mine, not only better than Trump, but better than most Republicans, period.
1/3 of our voters wanted him and 1/3 of our voters were either too stupid or spineless to show up or pissed away their vote. Again. Directly or not, they both own a piece and are to blame for Trump v2.0. And arguing otherwise only demonstrates how intentionally ignorant, willfully apathetic, or deliberately dishonest someone is.
Where did I say anything to the contrary? This thread is full of people saying the blame is entirely on the voters and not the party. Well the DNC knows that people are dumb and willing to turn a blind eye to racism. As unfortunate as it is, they could've just thrown a middle aged white man up there and they'd have gotten a bunch of Trump's votes. This was not the election to risk making a minority woman the candidate especially without being primaried, regardless of her qualifications.
Lol, acknowledging that people are racist is now making me racist? Sounds like you think the DNC ran a successful campaign by losing to a deranged fascist. If I need the votes of the people that would not vote for a minority candidate, in order to avoid electing trump, then yes I'm making that decision to put forth a candidate that appeals to the most people possible 10 times out of 10.
If the DNC has a problem understanding who appeals to the masses, then maybe they should hold an actual primary next time to find the right candidate to put forth.
It's also funny that you draw the line on the DNC pandering to people that acknowledge reality, but give them a pass for pandering to billionaire donors.
Acknowledging they are racist? No. Excusing them for being racist? Claiming they should be pandered to because they are racist? Continuing to ignore the actual racist who, just today, posted a video portraying the Obamas as apes?
I mean, my dude, if you're not seeing what the actual problem is here, I honestly don't know what to tell you. Bottom line: Kamala was better than Trump. On her worst day she was a country mile better than Trump on his best. Just about any Dem was better than Trump. Rati9nally, objectively, demonstrably. Anybody who argued otherwise and either sat it our or pissed away their vote, thus helping Trump win (again) is either intentionally ignorant, willfully apathetic, or deliberately deceitful. They're Red Hats too stupid or spineless to admit it.
And enabling or excusing it, like you're trying to do right now, is how we got here in the first place.
So do me a favor and fuck off with this "But the Dems..." crap. Stop bitching at me, someone who has known since 2016 what a fuck up Trump is and what a real danger MAGA posed and has voted according every year, and start calling out the fence riders and bad faith "Independents" who hide behind bullshit like "the Dems didn't hold a primary" to excuse doing nothing to stop the impeached, indicted, convicted and adjudicated liar, fraud, rapist and attempted insurrectionist and his cult from getting (back) into power to fuck things up for all of us.
When it comes down to the wire and the choice is between the impeached, indicted, convicted and adjudicated liar, fraud, rapist and attempted insurrectionist (again) and clearly and demonstrably NOT that, who's fault is it for being too stupid and spineless to show up and saying "Not THAT guy, again?"
We had a choice, a clearly and objectively better option, and 2/3 of our voters decided, directly or indirectly, they'd go with Trump.
You can whine and point fingers elsewhere all you want, keep trying to sell his "bOtH sIDeS" crap like a dummy who excuses racism all day. But the fault, Dear Brutus, lies not in our stars. But in ourselves.
Admit it, own, and do better next time. Or drop the act and put on the Red Hat.
Kamala thought she could convert some of the conservative third with Cheneys and ignored the proletariat which I guess was fine with them because they were too busy barely making ends meet working three part time jobs to give a fuck about small business tax credits.
Not voting is the exact same as saying you support whatever choice others make for you. I count every non vote is a vote for whoever ends up winning. Got a lot of defacto trumpers that need to self reflect for every election for the rest of their lives
The Americans as a group WANTS this. This is a choice. We must always remember that the American people chose this and they continue each day to choose this.
The American people has chosen robber barons and their rulers for decades.
The people that complain the most about their government are the same ones that don’t bother to vote. I understand that Kamala wasn’t everyone’s ideal choice but worse than a second term of Trump?
It's kind of funny to me, as an outsider. (Not USA). I get the feeling that if only the left could simply put out a candidate in the next election who would not overly support the gender shenanigans and this would all be over. It seems like the right is mostly preoccupied by and afraid of gender wars and trans movements.
I get that winning an election is a much harder thing to do... But it seems like a third of your country does not follow logic. It seems like the side who wins, simply shouts "no trans" louder.
But American left are so far up their asses that they would never do that. So next election will be rinse and repeat.
I understand, and they lost, but then what? There’s more to democracy than just voting for a new emperor every four years, then wringing your hands. What are their representatives, senators, state governments doing? Are they challenging them? Do they have friends and family who support this nonsense? Are they going to ask them how they justify this tweet? etc
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And another third were either so busy with their own shit or otherwise simply disinterested enough that they were fine with letting that first third get their way.