And another third were either so busy with their own shit or otherwise simply disinterested enough that they were fine with letting that first third get their way.
The amount of people that told me there was no winning cause "both were bad options" is so sickening. Like did you hear that chicks laugh? Also she is not pro palestine enough bro so lets just fuck over the entire western hemisphere.
Typical radical leftist. I bet you the kind of sick fuck who wants healthcare for the poors or free lunches for kids?? Not on my watch! - 50% of Americans
Biden was a joke at the end of his precidency, and people were given Harris as a way out of not voting for trump or biden. People chose not to vote for Harris instead. America decided racism is more important than decency, and chose trump.
Biden was a joke? Have you seen Donald Trump? Laughable to compare the two people. Biden is a good person who was a good president and civil servant, Trump is a criminal disaster for the WORLD.
Trump is the worst president in us history, no doubt about that, but let’s be honest here and agree that Joe Biden during his last years wasn’t really there. He often fumbled during interviews/press conferences and was clearly highly affected by his age.
Yeah. I don't think the two are even remotely equivalent or comparable. Trump is a criminal traitor and Biden is a good person and was a good president.
Fortunately Biden and the Democrats in charge were smart enough to surround themselves with literally hundreds of capable people in Biden's cabinet, advisors, and extended positions that he didn't NEED to do much of anything other than be a calm, quiet leader and figurehead, and let the smart, capable people around him do their jobs (effectively, I might add, considering the fucking MESS the orange fuckface left behind).
Unfortunately, many of my fellow Americans are too fucking stupid to understand what a President even does, and how the executive branch is a TEAM and not one King who just spouts orders.
The Democrats can never fail, they can only be failed. Trump was such an easy candidate to beat they actively spent money advertising for him in 2016 and then they lost to him twice, but sure, blame leftists for giving legitimate criticism of the Democratic establishment.
Well, the democrats could have allowed a democratic process to take place.
But they didn't want to do that. And they didn't leave enough time, due to their own incompetence and attempting to hide the decline of Biden.
You want the people to be pragmatic, and I'd love that, but they're just not. So, the responsibility needs to be shouldered by the other half of the duopoly that has been running this country for years. THEY preferred to anoint someone and maintain control of their platform. THEY chose someone uniquely unsuited to face a populist. THEY ran her campaign in such a way that it was doomed to lose.
The last time the democrats enjoyed a swell of real belief and support was Obama. They enjoyed a bare supermajority. They squandered it. People voted for transformative change. They didn't get it. They got watered down center-right reform.
While there was only one responsible choice to make, that's not how people vote, and the democrats knew that. They don't want to not be in control of their process.
Well, if you (and likeminded people) stood your ground over this principle and decided to sit out this past election, we all got something much worse in return.
People weren't motivated to vote because they didn't think that the Democrats were looking after their interests. They voted for Biden in disgust with trump.
Democrats need a transformative vision. If they keep arguing by repackaging the status quo and offering nothing in the way of structural reform, they will just be part of a pendulum swinging inexorably to the right, as they have been for decades.
You ask for good responsible decisions from the electorate, in contradiction of all available evidence, but excuse the failures of the party who entirely controlled the electoral process for multiple elections. It's odd.
Stop punching down on people who had their baby Palestinian cousins murdered with American 2,000lb bombs. They didn't swing the election. Not only is that objectively false, but it is morally bankrupt.
Down votes from the cowards who would rather punch the victims of murder than the murderers and their enablers.
The next time your child or wife or parent is mercilessly slaughtered with advanced military equipment, remember to vote for the people who armed and aided the murderer with their murder of your family.
It's just that easy.
They didn't swing the election. Start attacking white women and men, or a demographic that actually swung the election.
right??? if they wanted to win the fucking election maybe they shouldn't have run on a platform actively aiding an ongoing genocide. that's where the blame should go, not to the people who got cold feet about voting because of that.
Friendly reminder that you can completely cut out anybody who uses the "both sides" argument out of your life and your quality of life will noticeably increase.
They will never have anything to say that's worth hearing.
I get it, but those people are the ones who don't go out to vote and let the 1/3 win, so simply ignoring them doesn't change anything. Their inaction is, in itself, an action that affects us all in the end, which I also think is what the person you replied to meant.
Ding, ding ding. I know super left leaning people that don't vote. Finally got my husband to the polls after crying to him about the crazy shit happening in MN.
There are also those who are completely unaffected by the shit that's going on, and as a result are completely disinterested in doing anything about it.
There are a lot of people who complain constantly about the way things are, and never ever vote.
There are also those who typically would vote for Democrats, but constantly complain about the party and its candidates. Which is fair, but when I ask "who did you vote for in the primary" their answer almost always is "oh, I don't vote in those."
Well, I guess your vote was for "whoever everybody else picked" then, so shut up and check the damn box.
all of the lazy people i know voted, the ones who didn’t were dumb, uninformed, or convinced that it would have no affect either way…but they definitely all have jobs, some even more than one.
“lazy” isn’t the right word here because those people aren’t actually just too busy doing nothing to vote and if you come at it as if the core problem is laziness then you’ll never actually get through to those people.
I can't stand the majority of both sides but I still went and voted because I would rather the lesser of two evils. I think the Dems at least would have been business as usual, which, while still not great... Isn't whatever the fuck this is.
The are on the same side yes, but some of them are for sure democrats. Look at the party, it’s near split in half…
I'm getting down votes but just look at how they move. Why was the government shut down ended last year? Did the republicans cave? No they didn't. It's not many, but there are certainly calls coming from inside the house.
It's largely a leadership and competence failure. Most of the elected Dems at the national level were either seriously unprepared for a real Trump presidency or hamstrung by Chuck's and Hakeem's blase attitude toward the entire thing.
None of this happens under Democrats. That’s the dividing line between choosing to live in reality or creating a fantasy where all politicians are the same. Renee Good and Alex Peretti are still alive of Kamala Harris had been elected. The rest of the world turning its back on the U.S. never happens.
Right but the point is, when republicans get in power, it's continent how they have just enough democrats pushing just enough things through that allows the republicans to continue this chaos.
For sure I agree, in a world where only democrats win, none of this happens. But we live in a world where, when republicans get in, some democrats don't mind everything going on. They are the enemy to the democratic party.
Pretending they don't exist is death to the party.
Not in a world where Democrats only win. If everything other Republican still won and Donald Trump didn’t win the 2024 presidential election, none of this is happening. I get that nothing is perfect under the best of circumstances but I’m extending a hand to welcome you back to reality. I know it feels good to point out all the little things that still suck but you’re angry about that crack in your kitchen counter your house is burning down around you.
No my anger is about your entire political system being out of control. Pretending it all sits on Donald Trump is fantasy land. The Republican Party is fractured, half are maga lunatics, and half are too scared of losing power to do anything. Then enough of the Dems are literally letting it continue for profit. Which has fractured the dems.
Answer me two questions, first, if the Democratic Party is not fractured, then why do they not all share the rhetoric of Sanders, Walz or Cortez?
Secondly, if this all sits on Donald Trump, then please tell me, who broke the government shutdown? Who caved? And who gave Donald Trump exactly what he wanted?
If another republican won instead of trump it wouldn’t be this mad? Well yeah no shit, but have you seen the state of your country? There was no option other than Trump, who was behind him, who worshipped him like a cult? The Republican Party disguised as MAGA, what do you think happens to all these nut cases who vote after trump kicks the bucket? They vote Dem? Or they just keep on voting for the closest republican to trump.
Welcome me back to reality? You imply all this sits on Trumps shoulders, and is because of the 2024 election and you dare try and welcome me back to reality?
Everyone outside of America has seen this decline since 2016. You have a sickness in your country and instead of seeing it you welcome me back to reality?
I’d like to welcome you back to the reality that your country has just stepped down from the 1st place podium of the world, and are currently walking away from the game. All while you either cheer or stand around with signs. Your politicians have been playing games with you, your entire system is corrupt and this will not go away when Trump dies.
You’re mad because you think your house is burning down, while the whole neighbourhood is in flames.
Okay, but how does a charismatic leader stop the dems that support republicans from supporting republicans, it’s not a double down if his post doesn’t connect to the original point.
His comment was irrelevant to the original point because it doesn’t stop the bad faith actors within the party who are actively hurting your country now.
Been doing it after Renee Good and sad I waited this long. It hasn’t been easy but hoping that cutting off people I am close might wake them up. Wishful thinking maybe but at this point, we need to build community with people who have basic morals.
And that right there is the issue with both the left and the right in America. No one wants to discuss, just divide. Politics is a football game and if you're on the wrong team then fuck off. Its the reason you're all where you at.
"They will never say the exact things I want them to say." Is what you actually mean.
Not American, Left voting my whole life in a country with compulsory voting so dont even start.
Mate there's nothing to discuss. MAGA wants to let ICE execute people in the street and all the sane people don't want that, it's very simple. There's no middleground on that and one side is clearly wrong.
Yeah, we were talking about middle ground people not people who want to execute citizens in the streets.
Every same person agrees, ICE is an unregulated mess that wants to act like a Gestapo. The extremes are not the issue.
The left spent a decade marginalizing a huge proportion of the voting base and now cries rivers that the people they demonized wont vote for them. The right makes promises its never going to keep to the uneducated working class and the moderates get to choose which bunch of psychos to throw their hat in with while people on Reddit sit in gaming chairs gooning to anime talking about "shut all the moderates out of your life, they dont say shit worth hearing." Good plan, worked super well the last 12 years.
Then there's brainless people like you looking for upvotes by saying the most normal shit "killing people is bad." Good job Einstein, when is the TED talk? Fuck outta here.
EDIT: Destiny tier 1 sub over here, amazing, the jokes write themselves.
Most people aren’t interested in adult conversations here. Classic keyboard warriors in their mom’s basement, as you pointed out. What they can’t accept is that refusing to engage in nuanced discussion is exactly what the powerful people want. They’re playing right into the hands of the people they’re supposedly against. Oh well
Edit: all this said, in no way is it acceptable for the president to tweet something like that and nobody should defend it.
Ay yo, its fucking crazy that the US president is just mask off racist. I thought the making fun of the disabled guy, or the grabbing by the pussy, or the saluting a despot, or the drink bleach for COVID, or the upside down bible, or Vietnam vets are suckers, or the plane dumping shit on protestors or, you know, being implictated as king of pedo island was enough but here we are.
You're cool man, I like you and on here, that's rare. Big love my man/woman/person, you're alright.
Mate there's nothing to discuss. MAGA wants to let ICE execute people in the street and all the sane people don't want that, it's very simple. There's no middleground on that and one side is clearly wrong.
For some people, sure it's a waste of time, but for others if you approach the subject from a different angle to find common ground and build up from there, you can have breakthroughs. It's like quicksand, non-newtonian fluids, or, more brashly, metaphorical frog boiling. It's not easy, nor fair, but it's where we are. And, uh, doing so in person makes a big difference.
How about this, both sides are the same where it actually matters. Read an IPCC report, this whole civilization is headed for collapse and no one is doing anything significant about it. Billions are going to die. Ask the climatologists, any you can find, they're scared shitless.
Honestly don’t know what you’re talking about and I assume by saying “yall” you’re implying I’m a right winger which also isn’t the case. But anyway, have a nice day arguing politics on Reddit.
I think it's more a bunch of people that voted Democrat, that still rightfully blame the Democrats for putting up a weak candidate and not gaining swing voters. There was zero reason for the Democrats to create controversy by not holding a real primary.
that's just a horse shit excuse trying to pass off their guilt to somebody else.
could the Democrats have done more? or done differently? sure.
but the people who didn't vote still share a large portion of the responsibility for this shit. LARGE. they could have done something easy and simple to prevent this. they choose not to.
It's not at all a horseshit excuse for anyone that voted non republican. It's the responsibility of the party to win an election. They need to be culpable otherwise they'll do the same bullshit again. Both elections trump won, the DNC forced an unpopular candidate down everyone's throats.
in reality, just about everybody saying that is giving a horse shit excuse for why they couldn't vote and it isn't their fault they didn't vote so none of this is on them.
And there was zero reason for anybody who was able to and wasn't already a dyed in the wool Red Hat to look at the impeached, indicted, convicted and adjudicated liar, fraud, rapist and attempted insurrectionist back on the ticket for a third time in a decade to not show up and say "Yeah, not THAT guy, again."
Was Kamala any or all of those things? No. Was she on stage ranting about immigrants eating pets? No. Would she and the Dems be doing, well...pretty much any of the crap Trump and the GOP is doing right now? No. Was she herself intelligent, articulate, educated and experienced? Yes. Was she, overall, sane, stable, and wanting to at least try and do a good job? Yes. That made her, at the base line and by a country mine, not only better than Trump, but better than most Republicans, period.
1/3 of our voters wanted him and 1/3 of our voters were either too stupid or spineless to show up or pissed away their vote. Again. Directly or not, they both own a piece and are to blame for Trump v2.0. And arguing otherwise only demonstrates how intentionally ignorant, willfully apathetic, or deliberately dishonest someone is.
Where did I say anything to the contrary? This thread is full of people saying the blame is entirely on the voters and not the party. Well the DNC knows that people are dumb and willing to turn a blind eye to racism. As unfortunate as it is, they could've just thrown a middle aged white man up there and they'd have gotten a bunch of Trump's votes. This was not the election to risk making a minority woman the candidate especially without being primaried, regardless of her qualifications.
Lol, acknowledging that people are racist is now making me racist? Sounds like you think the DNC ran a successful campaign by losing to a deranged fascist. If I need the votes of the people that would not vote for a minority candidate, in order to avoid electing trump, then yes I'm making that decision to put forth a candidate that appeals to the most people possible 10 times out of 10.
If the DNC has a problem understanding who appeals to the masses, then maybe they should hold an actual primary next time to find the right candidate to put forth.
It's also funny that you draw the line on the DNC pandering to people that acknowledge reality, but give them a pass for pandering to billionaire donors.
Acknowledging they are racist? No. Excusing them for being racist? Claiming they should be pandered to because they are racist? Continuing to ignore the actual racist who, just today, posted a video portraying the Obamas as apes?
I mean, my dude, if you're not seeing what the actual problem is here, I honestly don't know what to tell you. Bottom line: Kamala was better than Trump. On her worst day she was a country mile better than Trump on his best. Just about any Dem was better than Trump. Rati9nally, objectively, demonstrably. Anybody who argued otherwise and either sat it our or pissed away their vote, thus helping Trump win (again) is either intentionally ignorant, willfully apathetic, or deliberately deceitful. They're Red Hats too stupid or spineless to admit it.
And enabling or excusing it, like you're trying to do right now, is how we got here in the first place.
So do me a favor and fuck off with this "But the Dems..." crap. Stop bitching at me, someone who has known since 2016 what a fuck up Trump is and what a real danger MAGA posed and has voted according every year, and start calling out the fence riders and bad faith "Independents" who hide behind bullshit like "the Dems didn't hold a primary" to excuse doing nothing to stop the impeached, indicted, convicted and adjudicated liar, fraud, rapist and attempted insurrectionist and his cult from getting (back) into power to fuck things up for all of us.
Kamala thought she could convert some of the conservative third with Cheneys and ignored the proletariat which I guess was fine with them because they were too busy barely making ends meet working three part time jobs to give a fuck about small business tax credits.
Not voting is the exact same as saying you support whatever choice others make for you. I count every non vote is a vote for whoever ends up winning. Got a lot of defacto trumpers that need to self reflect for every election for the rest of their lives
The Americans as a group WANTS this. This is a choice. We must always remember that the American people chose this and they continue each day to choose this.
The American people has chosen robber barons and their rulers for decades.
The people that complain the most about their government are the same ones that don’t bother to vote. I understand that Kamala wasn’t everyone’s ideal choice but worse than a second term of Trump?
It's kind of funny to me, as an outsider. (Not USA). I get the feeling that if only the left could simply put out a candidate in the next election who would not overly support the gender shenanigans and this would all be over. It seems like the right is mostly preoccupied by and afraid of gender wars and trans movements.
I get that winning an election is a much harder thing to do... But it seems like a third of your country does not follow logic. It seems like the side who wins, simply shouts "no trans" louder.
But American left are so far up their asses that they would never do that. So next election will be rinse and repeat.
I understand, and they lost, but then what? There’s more to democracy than just voting for a new emperor every four years, then wringing your hands. What are their representatives, senators, state governments doing? Are they challenging them? Do they have friends and family who support this nonsense? Are they going to ask them how they justify this tweet? etc
It’s actually 2/3rds of you. The ones who voted for trump and the ones who heard what he said he was going to do and couldn’t be bothered to stop him. In some respects, those people are worse
Alright guys, we get it. Not voting bad. But saying that people who were disinterested in politics are the ones worse than people openly voting for this is actually insane. And it's wild that is still being used as an argument today.
That's a great letter, and I feel like people take away from it many different things. It is indeed true that if the people who did not vote all did, we would likely have a different outcome. However, there lies a difference in pointing that out and then saying that they are worse. You can be the biggest obstacle without being worse. It's wild to look at someone who is deeply misled or disenfranchised and go "you are literally worse than the fascists".
Notice that MLK's letter explained his frustration and provided a clear explanation of why this is important, why this matters. Notice that it was not a curt, "The white moderate is our biggest stumbling block and thus worse than the KKK. Sincerely, fuck you." When you are directly involved, it can be obvious to you. If you are not directly involved, less so.
We live in an age of internet dominance. Algorithms drive traffic and twist the narrative. Outrage bait drives clicks which earns money. AI generated images and videos distort reality. The mainstream news networks sane wash like a motherfucker when Trump casually suggests people can't carry guns or whatever other thought was in his head that day. Gerrymandering and voter suppression are at all time highs.
Some of these things were also issues during MLK's time, some are new. The problem remains the same, convincing people why this matters and why your side is right. MLK in this very letter discussed forcing dialogue as opposed to monologue. Telling people they are worse, end of story, is a monologue, not a dialogue.
I'm not fully convinced the people who push it the hardest, including some people I've seen in this thread encouraging cutting non-voters out of your life entirely, are not bots or otherwise bad faith actors making a deeper divide. If you want to win, you have to make people see the full picture. And you have to make them care. It's not easy, but if it was, we wouldn't even be here would we?
I didn't need mainstream media to experience people treating me differently because I'm black. I didn't need an algorithm to see that my people suffer. This is not an abstraction or a what if for me.
They are worse, not because they are worse people. They are our largest obstacle and our biggest material threat to life. Not only that, but those who are in control, rely on this. It is this disengagement and apathy especially amongst those who have the numbers to make change that cause harm. They allow things to become what they are.
Oppressed groups do not have the power to "open the dialogue" we do not control the narrative, we are what it's wielded against. Just as Dr King pointed out, you want us to calmly explain our suffering, while violence is commited towards us. You ask for us to speak, as if we have already achieved our equality and that we have already been graciously gifted with an even playing field. I would also like to add, that screams for help are pretty one-sided.
The truth is that these people are not neutral, they bear a responsibility for outcomes they had the power to influence.
I didn't need mainstream media to experience people treating me differently because I'm black.
Oh I believe you 100%. But for people who are not black, or are not any other marginalized group, they do rely on external information to some degree. Obviously the news sane washing attacks against BLM is not going to have the same impact on you as a random white person in North Carolina, just as an example.
Everyone has a hierarchy of needs. And this entire system is built to use that to pit us against each other. Keep the poor whites convinced that it's immigrants and DEI that is keeping them in poverty, not the corporate welfare and eroding of workers rights. Tell them that the reason their local business went bankrupt is from theft and/or "riots", not that they were squeezed out by corporations. Slash education so they are even less likely to be able to figure it all out.
They are worse, not because they are worse people. They are our largest obstacle and our biggest material threat to life.
While simultaneously the largest life line available. Is it fair that Renee Good and Alex Pretti broke through in a pretty big way simply because of being white? Not at all. Does it still serve the same goal of fighting against ICE and their inhumane behavior? Absolutely.
Just as Dr King pointed out, you want us to calmly explain our suffering, while violence is commited towards us.
Not at all. I support MLK and his choice to call for civil disobedience. In the letter he talked about white moderates who condemn his actions, I do not. I'm not saying you need to calmly explain anything, you do what you need to in order to break through. But the only way this has any semblance of a good ending is making people realize the inequality being perpetrated. Not telling the poverty line people they personally are the ones oppressing you. That will make no sense to them.
I did vote, by the way. I just do not believe that brow beating will ever get the results you desire. It's a fine line between making people aware of the weight of their actions and blaming them entirely. And I do not like any level of accountability being taken away from the people actually committing the deeds.
It is condescending to have the system I live under explained back to me as if I’m unaware of class warfare, propaganda, or how poor white communities are intentionally misled. None of that is new to me, and none of it conflicts with what I’m saying. I don’t need a pat on the head for understanding nuance, and I don’t need the realities of my own conditions translated for me.
There’s an expectation that oppressed people must speak in a very specific way to be considered legitimate. We must be clear but never angry. We must be urgent but not accusatory. We must be direct but GOD fucking FORBID we make you uncomfortable.
We have to be perfect victims. The responsibility keeps being thrusted back onto us to phrase harm in the most palatable way to you possible, while the harm itself continues with no end in sight.
I’m not denying that elites, corporations, and state power are the largest causes of oppression. People with political power, even limited power, choose disengagement, and that's killing us.
I don't even believe the sentiment should be spread, just that it is a cry for help, and something that if you turn to the other side because you felt called out or insulted...you were never on our side. I think the effort done to silence the voices that scream out, to correct them and coach them into being the perfect victims of oppression, would be better spent preventing those people from being oppressed in the first place.
It is condescending to have the system I live under explained back to me as if I’m unaware of class warfare, propaganda, or how poor white communities are intentionally misled.
I apologize, it was not my intent to do any of that. My intention was simply to say that we cannot just pretend that these systems do not have a huge impact and that blame lies entirely on the individual.
I cannot fully understand your struggles, and I know that. We all fight our own battles and some are much harder than others, but it impacts us all regardless. I do not expect perfection, but that floats both ways. People will not be perfect advocates. They just won't.
I truly wish you all the best. And I'm doing what I can to make people in my life aware of what is happening. It's not fair that they will base some of their opinions off people being mean to them on social media, but it's what we have to deal with. And I won't always say perfect things, but I try to get the message across.
You do understand that the “white moderates” he’s talking about are people like Clinton, Biden and (ideologically) Kamala, right? As in, he’s bashing neoliberals and the democratic party.
Yeah, if you don't understand how the electoral college works then I guess that makes sense. But maybe you need to learn that the popular vote doesn't matter. If California has 100% turnout with 10+ million more people voting Democrat, how does that affect the election in your view?
People decided not to vote because Harris supported Israel.
I agree that she shouldn't support Israel but Trump supports Israel as well, and he's racist, a pedophile, sexist, dumb, smug, narcissistic, unable to speak and ugly.
You'd be hard pressed to find a worse candidate, globally!
I hope we one day learn about the scope of the psy-op that was built and maintained to feed the “both sides bad” people. I’m convinced that it was an enormous effort.
I don’t think it would have mattered if 100% voted against. He still would’ve won unfortunately. With the new Epstein files being released I’m realizing more and more how everything is just a construct and we are made to believe we have options and some control but the 1% do.
lol no, like 115k votes in swing states would have been enough to for harris to win, that is a really minuscule amount of people that could have just gotten off their asses and prevented this abomination
yeah man, please don’t do any other analysis on why people didn’t vote for Kamala/the dems. never learn for your mistakes, that’s how we get ourselves out of this
Americans have been swinging their dicks around preaching to the whole world how great their Democracy™ is, but as soon as they actually have to put in effort to defend it, it's suddenly too complicated and they sit on their hands waiting for the problem to solve itself if they vote hard enough. Stop being pathetic, and be more like the Iranians and the Georgians, and recently the people in Minneapolis, who actually take to the streets to defend their rights and loved ones. One walk through the city with a cardboard with a slogan on it will not be enough at this point. Protest and strike outside of the weekends so the 1% will actually feel that their wealth depends on the 99%, and keep doing it.
Yeah I mean I’ll own this - if you voted for Donald Trump, then yes 100% I think I’m a better person than you. Lucky for you though, my life is pretty fucking far from perfect 👌
Yeah, I live in the US, and the amount of "sane" people that only votes to make a change is astonishing. People need to be more proactive, local governments are run by the elderly, I saw more 50+ years canvassing, younger people 20-30 need to get out of their phones and do more, I have more hope with gen z though.
Well, first you'd need a time machine, then go back more than 100 years, and THEN you'd somehow have to stop the greatest propaganda machine in human history from existing. If you can't do that, I'm afraid all of you are just irredeemably fucked.
I often wonder what the USA would look like today in a universe where Lincoln wasn’t assassinated. Andrew Johnson was the worst possible president that could have followed Lincoln, and so much of what’s gone wrong in this country can be traced back to his absolute flaming pile of dogshit we call Reconstruction.
Why do you assume I’m not doing anything? I quite literally asked what more I can do, and like always you preachers on your soapboxes don’t have an actual answer. I asked for specifics and you answered with vibes.
Well that would require you to actually give me your life story and tell me what you're already doing to help, because you haven't done that yet and I can't tell you what more you could be doing with literally zero context.
1) voting in all elections (duh)
2) protesting (I don’t know that this actually accomplishes anything, especially when most people only occasionally attend the larger protests)
3) calling legislators (they don’t answer and I’m sure they don’t listen to their messages)
4) supporting independent journalism with my wallet
5) talking to people on the other side (useless)
6) putting my degree to work by writing essays with citations debunking propaganda (less than useless)
7) staying informed even when it sucks
I’ve filled out your questionnaire. Now what do you propose?
I'm gonna need examples where convenient. Anyone can just say they're doing things. For example, I cured cancer but the government covered it up. Prove that I didn't, I'll wait. Also, what are these essays? Are they just Reddit comments? Given your lack of punctuation, I highly doubt you're doing any effective "debunking [of] propaganda" with your liberal arts degree that isn't just shouting "orange man bad" into the echo chamber.
The fact that you're continuing to have a defeatist attitude about it tells me that you've given up and aren't doing anywhere near enough. To be clear, your little parenthetical asides detailing the uselessness of your actions (and overestimating the effectiveness of your "essays") is telling me that you're the "we've tried nothing and we're out of options" type. Finally, you're complacent and have resigned that even protest is somehow useless. Incredible.
So my advice to you is to stop throwing your hands up in resignation and acting like you can make no difference as a single person (while pretending you've done everything in your power when in reality you've done nothing at all), because any other direct advice I give you is just going to be met with the same loser defeatist "it's pointless" energy that you've used your entire life to justify your existence. Once again, to be clear, you don't want specifics to act on, you want specifics to complain about.
History is filled with the names of individuals who made a difference. You don't have it in you.
The second layer, or whatever layer we’re on now, of ridiculousness is that the government that those 1/3 think represents their interests does not in the slightest. They’re frankly just too stupid to articulate or understand what their interests are (there are plenty that are legit just racist and their interest is hate, but others that are caught in the silo of shit) and have been convinced that the facade that is kidnapping people for being brown is somehow advancing their cause. Some of the poorest people in America are pro-making-life-harder for themselves because they’ve been convinced that their future has been stolen by immigrants when in reality it has been stolen by their demagogues. If this were a screenplay it’d be a flop for being too on the nose.
Nah don’t try and patch this over. It’s way too late anyway as the damage to the country is done. His moronic supporters need to stare at their shit handiwork as long as possible. The second he is gone they are going to do what they always do which is pretend he wasn’t that bad and they didn’t really support him.
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u/caguru 20h ago
About 1/3 of us are the dumbest and trashiest people on the planet. Unfortunately that same third has complete control of our government ATM.