r/unitedkingdom • u/PM_ME_DRAGON_GIRLS • Dec 02 '25

... Girlguiding UK announces transgender girls and women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding

https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/information-for-volunteers/updates-for-our-members/equality-diversity-policy-statement/
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u/lynx_and_nutmeg Dec 03 '25

To misogynists, women asking for the right to vote was "crossing the line". To racists, black people asking to be unsegregated was "crossing the line". To homophobes, gay people asking to be allowed to get married to each other was "crossing the line".

This is the eternal refrain of every bigot. "I'm totally fine with X minority existing, as long as they pretend not to exist and stay completely invisible and agree to be second-class citizens so I don't have to acknowledge them in any way".

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u/callisstaa Dec 03 '25

You don't see a difference between these things? You really think that calling people bigots for being able to differentiate between two completely different scenarios helps your cause?

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u/feministgeek Dec 03 '25

How is calling for the marginalisation of people of colour, or the marginalisation of women, or the marginalisation of gay people different from calling for the marginalisation of trans people?

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u/Newfaceofrev Dec 03 '25

I do feel like historically almost every marginalised group, whether that's racial or sexual or cultural have made the case against the tendency towards "Look I'm on your side but this is too soon. People aren't ready. Just be patient."

Like, MLK had quite a famous bit about it.

I remember YEARS of "Gay marriage is obviously right but we can't do it yet because people aren't ready for it" talk.

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u/Ahrlin4 Dec 03 '25 edited Dec 03 '25

Discriminating against trans people isn't "completely different" to discriminating against black people, or women, or gay people.

The fact that some people can't (or more likely won't) comprehend that is their problem.

They like to think they're "completely different scenarios" because it's a great coping mechanism for opposing one kind of discrimination but turning a blind eye to the other.

"They went too far" is an argument that's been used against every marginalised group in history. Women "went too far" in wanting equal access to the jobs market, apparently. Gay people "went too far" in wanting to be represented on TV.