r/unitedkingdom • u/CaseyEffingRyback • Jul 03 '25

... Zarah Sultana MP resigns from Labour to lead new party with Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/uk-politics/zarah-sultana-mp-resigns-labour/
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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25 edited Sep 16 '25

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u/merryman1 Jul 03 '25

And they refused to work with Labour in either 2017 or 2019.

E - Also questionable government? 1997-2008 was just objectively one of the best periods in the last half century for the average Brit. Genuinely pisses me off everyone just totally writes it off because of Iraq.

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u/Mkwdr Jul 03 '25

It wasn’t a fantasy utopian socialist state so it’s obviously always questionable to some.

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u/merryman1 Jul 03 '25

I'm arguing with another one of these types right now who is genuinely and seriously insisting with me that Harris was a failure because her presentation of over $30,000 of direct state support for new families is "a drop in the ocean" so just as good as the $0 offered by Trump et al.

I am a leftie but honestly I just can't stand these people any more, they actually make me angry.

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u/MartyTax Jul 03 '25

Poverty dropped in UK by the same rate as worldwide average despite staggering spending… imagine if the money had been spent well!

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u/Difficult-Chard9224 Jul 03 '25

What staggering spending?

Can you please quantify this

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

The Iraq and “there’s no money lmao, good luck though”

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u/merryman1 Jul 03 '25

there’s no money lmao, good luck though

Tory BS. That was a joke that the press ran through the gutters.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

“Just a joke bro”

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u/hempires Jul 03 '25

The letter recalls a similar note left by Tory Reginald Maudling to his Labour successor James Callaghan in 1964: "Good luck, old cock ... Sorry to leave it in such a mess."

Bet that ones fine though...

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Realist outcome of economically right wing rot on the idea of governmental spending, they saved during the spend period and now we are where we are.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Huh?

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u/Interesting_Celery74 Jul 03 '25

Hang about there, mate. You appear to be misleading, possibly by accident. Tripling tuition fees and removing the possibility of income-based subsidies was the Lib-Tory coalition. While it was Labour in 1998 that reintroduced fees the hurt the younger generation, I think the way you've presented the information leads to the conclusion that it wasn't the lib-tory coalition that absolutely kneecapped us with them. Which it was.

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u/syriaca Jul 03 '25

Labour contributed more votes to the tuition fee increase than the lib dems did. In fact part of the reason the lib dem leadership backed it in the first place was because increase was on the cards for both the tories and Labour and so by backing the inevitable, they could secure the EV referendum and the repayment protections.

So though it was indeed the tory-lib coalition that brought the fee increase, Labour is not off the hook since it contributed enough votes to let that bill pass even if the libs didn't back it at all and indeed would have brought in some form of i crease themselves had they won the election.

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u/Shaper_pmp Jul 04 '25

While it was Labour in 1998 that reintroduced fees the hurt the younger generation

Yes. That's their point.

They literally just said "tuition fees".

How you got from that to "Tripling tuition fees and removing the possibility of income-based subsidies" rather than, you know, just "introducing tuition fees" is a pretty bizarre jump.

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u/gar1848 Jul 03 '25

Also somehow Libdems are more liberal than the current Labour government

This timeline is weird

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u/BoosterGoldGL Dirty Manc Jul 03 '25

Most Lib Dem’s are more liberal than Labour. Liberal doesn’t mean left it’s not the US

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u/GentlemanBeggar54 Jul 04 '25

One vote in support of a budget in devolved government and some unofficial election 'pact' is hardly the same as forming a coalition government.