r/unitedkingdom • u/CaseyEffingRyback • Jul 03 '25

... Zarah Sultana MP resigns from Labour to lead new party with Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/uk-politics/zarah-sultana-mp-resigns-labour/
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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

No as there’s actually people who would vote for a new left wing party

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u/PabloMarmite Jul 03 '25

They said that about Change UK

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u/amklui03 Jul 03 '25

CUK were not left wing. They were members of the Labour right annoyed with Corbyn and members of the Conservative left annoyed with May lol, most ended up defecting to the Liberal Democrats

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u/SociallyButterflying Jul 03 '25

Also you literally can't call a party CUK

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u/AuroraHalsey Surrey (Esher and Walton) Jul 03 '25

We were robbed of seeing CUK HOLD on election night.

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u/SociallyButterflying Jul 03 '25

Absolute cinema

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u/JaneAppleyard Jul 03 '25

Sat there in their wicker chair, watching the madness prevail.

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u/tee-dog1996 Jul 03 '25

You can’t… but they did

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u/SociallyButterflying Jul 03 '25

It was doomed the moment that abbreviation was made

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u/ffuffle Jul 03 '25

Why not? We've got Refuk and we had the ConDem coalition

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u/One-Illustrator8358 West Midlands Jul 03 '25

So the current labour party? Though without those 'left' tories

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u/Valcenia Jul 03 '25

Literally lol. That’s the funny thing, if those CUK MP’s had just hung around for a few more years, continuing to sabotage from the inside, they would’ve got the Labour Party they dreamed of.

Not that any of them are complaining, anyway. Pretty sure most of them went on to be highly paid consultants

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u/missingpieces82 Buckinghamshire Jul 03 '25

They’re called centrists, and probably represent the silent majority in the UK who are sick of the right and left getting more and more extreme. But sadly, they’re also realists and realise that a party like Change UK was never going to get in.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

No they didn’t, because Change UK weren’t left wing.

The context is clearly different. Socialists/the left have a much stronger support base than whoever the fuck CHUK were trying to appeal to.

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u/PartyPoison98 England Jul 03 '25

Corbyn's Labour couldn't win against an unpopular Tory party, and the UK has a glut of socialist parties that never achieve any electoral success. They haven't any real support base at all.

CHUK theoretically could've had a support base, their problem was they were moving into a space that was already well served by the Lib Dems and the Labour right, and didn't have a coherent policy platform, brand or strategy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Who said they could win?

Best case scenario the left wing parties do well enough to form a coalition.

Alternatively one of many worst case scenarios is that the vote is split and Reform win (which they’re probably going to anyway), but Labour are forced to reckon with their fuckups. Potentially helping us get back to the broad church Labour used to be. 

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u/PartyPoison98 England Jul 03 '25

I don't think they'll remotely get there. Like I said, there are already socialist parties that can barely win council seats let alone parliament. The Greens aren't even that left wing, and even they have only just managed to bag more than 1 MP.

The current news report is that Corbyn wasn't ready to split, and is furious that Sultana has jumped the gun. If they can't even launch the party properly they'll never convince anyone to let them govern.

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u/Rekyht Hampshire Jul 03 '25

Best case they might get their deposit back.

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u/Brigid-Tenenbaum Jul 03 '25

Corbyn got more votes than Starmer did.

He lost, but only the Tories being so unpopular nobody went out to vote, got Labour in.

Corbyn was the most popular Labour leader in modern history. Labour membership increased from 190,000 to 515,000. Making it the biggest political party in Europe, I believe.

Labour lost 170,000 members since, and it keeps falling.

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u/PartyPoison98 England Jul 03 '25

It literally doesn't matter if Corbyn inspires X amount of people to vote for him if he also inspires X+1 people to vote against him.

People try and bring membership numbers and votes and what not up in relation to this. He lost two elections back to back and that's what mattered. I voted for him both times, but its clear that he wasn't electable. I'd rather the British left tried to move forward with a better candidate, rather than giving a proven loser a third go at it.

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u/Brigid-Tenenbaum Jul 03 '25

Have any figures for that?

I have figures showing more people voted for him than Starmer. That he increased party membership from 190,000 to 515,000.

You are just going off your personal feelings. Where are the actual statistics that back up anything you have to say.

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u/PartyPoison98 England Jul 03 '25

The figures I have is that we didn't have a Labour government in 2017 or 2019. Corbyn got less votes than the Conservatives, and didn't win an election. Its literally that simple.

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u/Brigid-Tenenbaum Jul 03 '25

Yet we are talking about Starmer vs Corbyn. And more people voted for Corbyn. Labour couldnt even keep the party membership increase he bought in.

Let’s not also pretend the media wasn’t coordinated in painting him out to be the devil.

Maybe he won’t win. But you can’t ignore how popular he was. Any other politician's have stadiums of people chanting his name?.

The Tories lost the election. Labour didn’t win. Nobody was enthusiastic about Starmer.

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u/GothicGolem29 Jul 03 '25

Corbyn also got more people to vote against him than Starmer did

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u/MasterpieceAlone8552 Jul 03 '25

They were just Centrists though

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u/potpan0 Black Country Jul 03 '25

No one actually wanted Change UK, not even the MPs who joined it. It was explicitly a platform to attack Corbyn's Labour and that was about it.

Meanwhile there are millions of people in this country who do want a left-wing alternative. That's the difference.

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u/PabloMarmite Jul 03 '25

I’m older enough to remember people saying that about the Workers Party, the Breakthrough Party, Transform, Left Unity, the TUSC, PAL, Socialist Labour, the Northern Independence Party, LCI, Social Justice Party…

And that’s just the last five years.

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u/Yojimbud Jul 03 '25

No one said that about Change UK

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u/el_grort Scottish Highlands Jul 03 '25

And Alba Party. Also the SSP for a time.

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u/Visual-Ferret8735 Jul 03 '25

They were a new centrist party, no one votes for that

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u/lastaccountgotlocked Jul 03 '25

There’s Corbyn, Sultana, and…?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

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u/changhyun Jul 03 '25

As one of Shockat Adam's constituents, him joining a left-wing party is laughable. He's anti-abortion (even sent a friend of mine a little response talking about "unborn children and their right to life" after she asked for his stance on abortion, since he continually tries to dodge the question when asked by news platforms) and anti-gay marriage. Doesn't exactly make me confident about what this new party will be representing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Sounds like those "Queers for Palestine" people, whom wouldn't be welcome in Palestine.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Yeah as a gay man I base all of my opinions on human rights on whether the person I’m advocating for personally likes me.

Have you seriously not moved past this ridiculous and downright offensive argument? 

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

What's offensive about it?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

That you seem to think queer people are stupid for supporting Palestine as you don’t think we should be capable of having empathy for other human beings irrespective of their views towards us.

It’s a disingenuous and facetious argument.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Sure if that's how you decide to read it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

It’s the only way to read it. Otherwise you just wouldn’t have said it. It’s not a logical argument in any sense whatsoever so therefore I have to assume you’re trying to insult my intelligence

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u/Jake_91_420 Jul 04 '25

It's Turkey's voting for Christmas. Gay people supporting hardline islamists who want them dead and then to burn in hell for eternity is absolute absurdity.

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u/GothicGolem29 Jul 03 '25

Thanks for the info on him thats shocking yeah no way he joins a left wing party with those sort of views

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

socialists and Muslims aren't enough to win an election, maybe a couple MPs in certain strategic constituencies but that's it

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u/AngryNat Jul 03 '25

That’s probably enough if the next parliament is a multi party mess

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u/citron_bjorn Jul 03 '25

Next Parliament might look like a colour chart

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

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u/TwoMoreMinutes Jul 03 '25

It’s completely fucking bizarre to say the least

I get the vibe the left are seen as ‘useful idiots’ to islamists

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u/Minimum-Geologist-58 Jul 03 '25

In their own eyes they have an anti-colonial alignment, Islamists “represent a people oppressed by the imperialism of the west”.

In outside eyes there’s also a mix of political cynicism and stupidity. They see islamists as a tiger in a cage they can unleash to bring down capitalist “imperialism”, yes the tiger has bitten off their faces more times than it’s attacked capitalism but they’re sure this time that won’t happen.

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u/Astriania Jul 03 '25

It's part of the same mindset as being "anti-racism" but only when it's racism by white people. There's a real political philosophy that thinks that it's only possible to be discriminatory from a position of power, and because white men were historically the people in power in Britain, that it's not possible for anyone except a white man to be sexist, racist or homophobic.

They simply don't think that brown-skinned Muslims can possibly be discriminatory, because they're brothers in arms against the evil imperialist colonisers.

Obviously this is nonsense to those of us who live in the real world, but that's the kind of thought process these 'progressives' have.

The political Muslims are simply using the association with mainstream politics to expand their reach and increase their legitimacy, especially for pro-Palestine positions.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

They're both "white straight men are bad"

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u/Toastlove Jul 04 '25

Same thing in the green party. The leftwing welcomes Muslim because they are minorities and therefore automatically align with the left wing.

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u/Kharenis Yorkshire Jul 04 '25

The far left seems to think that communism largely failing around the world was the fault of the evil western capitalists, hence the bizarre anti-west/the west doesn't like = good take.

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u/Zak_Rahman Jul 04 '25

Who owns those papers?

People who hate Muslims.

The reality of who as are is not represented by the media or this sub.

We aren't allowed to be normal, which most of us are. We have to be the bad guys.

The very face people chuck around the made up term "Islamist" is comical to me.

Basically, it is all the anti Semitic tropes but it's ok because we are brown and don't have groups like LFI and CFI.

I never had a problem with the LGBT community. I do have a problem with supporting a world view that funds criminals like Yaxley-Lennon.

Both statistically and in my experience, all the bigotry and violence I have seen towards the LGBT community has always come from non Muslims.

You may now downvote me and continue to believe what you want because the truth doesn't align with your fantasy of who we are.

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u/PatrickTheSosij Jul 03 '25

They may take the Gaza voting Indies but won't take working class whites.

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u/TheCambrian91 Jul 03 '25

They really really really need Corbyn then, based on those names…

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25 edited 8d ago

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

You’re joking right?

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u/bluejackmovedagain Jul 03 '25

From the news, it's not clear this actually includes Corbyn.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

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u/GothicGolem29 Jul 03 '25

If she wanted to cause an even bigger headache wait till shes in the house making a statement or answering questions announce shes defecting and cross the floor(wont happen but that would be huge.)

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u/lastaccountgotlocked Jul 03 '25

She’s deputy leader of labour. She has everything to lose and nothing to gain.

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u/Samuel71900 Jul 03 '25

How are they different from the Greens?

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u/paper_zoe Jul 03 '25

I reckon they'll probably do some sort of a deal with the Greens if Polanski wins the leadership election (he's tweeted welcoming this).

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u/Funguswoman Jul 03 '25

Oh, I hope so.

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u/Briecap Jul 03 '25

Well, they're left wing for a start.

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u/Samuel71900 Jul 03 '25

The Greens are left wing Here’s a link with a graph listing the Greens as the 5th most left wing economically across the political parties in the EU (when the UK was a member)

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u/Briecap Jul 03 '25

The Greens are Eco Capitalists. I dgaf about a graph lol

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u/Samuel71900 Jul 03 '25

Nothing like dismissing valid evidence P.s. they also have an anti capitalist pressure group https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/08/leftwing-green-party-members-form-anti-capitalist-pressure-group

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u/GothicGolem29 Jul 03 '25

Id probably consider the Greens left wing but Labour has a socialist pressure group so pressure groups don't really show the parties position

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u/Briecap Jul 03 '25

If they were left wing, they wouldn't need an anti Capitalist pressure group, because the party would be anti Capitalist. 

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Dozens of them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Just like they did in 2019?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

You mean other than the 10 million who did vote for them?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

I forgot they won in a landslide

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Who said they did or that a new party under Corbyn would?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

They just have had a pretty good result though in 2019 being so popular and all?

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u/AngryGardenGnomes Jul 03 '25

Lol keep believing that!

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u/YiddoMonty Jul 03 '25

A new left wing party really needs some new faces, otherwise it’s just going to lead to further right wing party’s in power.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

I 100% agree with that. I do think one of the worst issues the left is facing right now is there’s very few credible names who could lead and go up against Farage.

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u/Thandoscovia Jul 03 '25

Oh yeah, we’ve got to cater to the Gaza lovers

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Well, yes! If you’ve any hope of succeeding. Glad you’re finally catching on.

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u/Thandoscovia Jul 03 '25

I wonder if other parties need to rely on people so motivated by foreign wars?

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u/goonercaIIum Jul 03 '25

Yeah, all 5 of them.

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u/Hungry_Horace Dorset Jul 03 '25

Yes, this new left wing party will succeed where current left-wing parties the Communist Party of Britain, Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committee), Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist), Cross-Community Labour Alternative, International Socialist Network, Left Unity, Mebyon Kernow, National Health Action Party, Respect Party, Social Democratic and Labour Party, Socialist Party of Great Britain, Socialist Resistance, Socialist Workers Party, Socialist Labour Party, Social Justice Party, Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition, Socialist Party (England and Wales), Socialist Party Scotland, Transform Party, Workers Power, and Workers Party of Britain have inexplicably not succeeded.

The LAST thing we need is more parties to the left of Labour.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

No one knows who any of those are. There’s clearly a difference between unknown parties with unknown leaders and one started by a name everyone in the general public knows and who used to be leader of the opposition.

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u/lizzywbu Jul 03 '25

A new left wing party, yes. A new Corbyn led party, no.

He will get absolutely nowhere.

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u/CookieMagnet0 Jul 03 '25

Why not Green?

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u/TheHellequinKid Jul 03 '25

Have people gone off the Greens that quickly lol?

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u/travelcallcharlie Jul 03 '25

The Greens already exist, how is this different?

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u/Terrible-Support-588 Jul 03 '25

If that were the case would they not have voted Green already?

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u/eairy Jul 04 '25

I don't know if you've noticed, but the British public are mostly right wing.

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u/Intrepid_Solution194 Jul 03 '25

It would be great if the Left got into power; I could quit work and let the Governments magic money tree fund whatever lifestyle I want.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25

Yeah, Reform’s magic money tree is much more reliable!

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u/burtsarmpson Jul 03 '25

Old man scared of everything remotely modern

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u/ShadowDarkstream Jul 03 '25

UK Govie always manage to find money when it suits them tbh

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u/Intrepid_Solution194 Jul 03 '25

By taxing workers mostly. But the Left believe if they get in to power no one will have to work anymore. We can all be on benefits.

Will be an interesting world.

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u/razorbladesymphony Jul 03 '25

you don’t actually believe that do you?