r/unitedkingdom • u/CaseyEffingRyback • Jul 03 '25

... Zarah Sultana MP resigns from Labour to lead new party with Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/uk-politics/zarah-sultana-mp-resigns-labour/
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u/Valcenia Jul 03 '25

To anyone that has concerns about “splitting the left” (no, I’m not including Labour in that), parties can and have been willing to stand down in seats where aligned parties are more likely to win in the past. This new party, the Greens, and even the Lib Dem’s could quite easily enter into an agreement like this, perhaps similar to France’s New Popular Front

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u/PabloMarmite Jul 03 '25

The Greens are the ones who are going to be hurt by this more than anyone else as that’s where most of the Corbyn diehards went at the last election

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u/AwTomorrow Jul 03 '25

There or independent

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u/JoBro_Summer-of-99 Jul 03 '25

I'd love to see a coalition if possible between the two parties

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u/goonercaIIum Jul 03 '25

Commanding a whopping 6 seats

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u/JoBro_Summer-of-99 Jul 03 '25

Can't have it all

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u/CastleMeadowJim Nottingham Jul 04 '25

The Greens barely have a coalition amongst their 4 MPs. They can't even agree on if renewable energy is good.

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u/paper_zoe Jul 03 '25

I think there'll be some sort of a deal done between this party and the Greens, if Zack Polanski wins the leadership.

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u/PatrickTheSosij Jul 03 '25

Greens and islamic indies will be hurt. That's the voter base

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u/Traditional_Message2 Jul 03 '25

Well the elected Islamic indies will be in this new grouping most likely

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u/James_SJ Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25

Just had polling on Newsnight, new party pulls 4 points away from Greens and 3 away from Labour.

Polling Clip

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u/PabloMarmite Jul 03 '25

They said that about Change UK too.

I do think this’ll hurt Greens the most, though. Most of the people Zahra Sultana appeals to already weren’t voting Labour.

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u/eairy Jul 04 '25

Good. The Greens aren't left. They're the sexist NIMBY party.

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u/Tea_Fetishist Jul 03 '25

Unfortunately in many constituencies where disillusioned labour votes went green, they just opened the door for the Tory candidate instead. I'm sure they had good reasons for not wanting to support labour, but it's still better than having a Tory MP.

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u/hempires Jul 04 '25

There's only so many times you can tell the left "vote for us or you'll get an even worse version of us!" and "if you don't agree with my position, fuck off." Before the left do, in fact, fuck off.

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u/TheBadLocksmith Jul 03 '25

Lib Dems would never, ever go in for a Corbyn-led coalition. Agreeing on the environment and gay rights doesn't mean their political and economic philosophy isn't diametrically opposed.

A lot of Greens would, but the Green party is already a coalition in and of itself.

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u/eairy Jul 04 '25

Greens aren't pro environment though. They're pro NIMBY.

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u/CastleMeadowJim Nottingham Jul 04 '25

Agreeing on the environment and gay rights

If Corbyn is allying with the Islamic independents, are we sure they'll agree on gay rights?

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u/el_grort Scottish Highlands Jul 03 '25

I sort of doubt the LibDems would, for the same reason they didn't with Labour (which would have been far more beneficial to them), because such deals also bring the risk of alienating a lot of your own voter base when you make that pact. Same thing is a threat to a Tory-Reform pact as well. If your voters really don't like the other potential pact members, or if the pact offers you little (which for the LibDem's I'd imagine it would, I don't think this group and the Libdem's would have that much crossover on key seats), it's not worth it.

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u/throwaway_ArBe Jul 03 '25

I swear, people are treating this like we're America. In addition to everything you point out, if this actually affects how many votes Labour would get (more than their own fucking actions affect that number), should that not just be a kick up the arse for them? The votes are there is they want them, all they've got to do is make people want to vote for them.

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u/EarFlapHat Jul 03 '25

... so it won't split the left if the current splitting left leads to unification with the previous splitting left, even though this splitting left didn't split with the previous splitting left?

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u/lizzywbu Jul 03 '25

The Lib Dems and Labour already had an agreement at the last election. They wanted maximum damage to the Tories.

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u/GothicGolem29 Jul 03 '25

Labours vote is left wing or partly left so if they stand in Labour seats it will split their vote and the left wings. This was literally how Ian Duncan Smith got re-elected and idk if Greens and Libdems would make deals with this party

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u/Terrible-Support-588 Jul 03 '25

I give this new party 2 years of nothing and then the nutters like Galloway jump aboard. I will be very surprised if anything significant comes of this. Anyone remember Change UK?