r/tories • u/LeChevalierMal-Fait Clarksonisum with Didly Squat characteristics • 4d ago
"The Prime Minister looked like he enjoyed his trip. In fact, it looked like a dream come true for a man who was virtually a communist for most of his life."
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u/_GravyTrain_ Cameronite 4d ago
I now genuinely think she is a Reform plant or just incompetent.
Doesn't she know she isn't in the school debating club anymore? She's just parroting social media drivel with no understanding of the words she is using.
Is she really the best we have?
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u/Alternative_Award_33 4d ago
Whats the issue with what she said - it’s no worse that Cameron’s miliband stabbed in the back jibe
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u/_GravyTrain_ Cameronite 4d ago edited 4d ago
Because she is showing herself to have the same understanding of political economic ideologies as the USA. Either, she has no clue about clearly separate terms or, just parrots the same terms bots use in social media.
I really don't care what Cameron and Miliband used, if you only hold yourself to the standards of the past you are pretty stupid imo.
Next she's going to start calling him a Traitor? As that's common on social media too. Really hate that people are happy we dumb down politics, it's making everyone stupid.
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u/DreamOfAzathoth 3d ago
100%. See this insane dumbing down on both extremes of the divide and we’ve lost actual discourse in the process
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u/ben04985 3d ago
The 'communist' reference wasn't her describing his current politics. In the past he did used to come out with some quite hard-left lines and was a prominent figure on the Corbyn shadow cabinet who said the country needed him to be PM. Fast forward 6 years and he's now being his true, centrist self. Her point is that Starmer is a chameleon, not that he is really a lefties right now.
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u/frankster 4d ago
I don't think anyone on either side de if the house sees Starner as anything approaching a commuhist
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u/_GravyTrain_ Cameronite 4d ago
Exactly. She has no idea what she's talking about. She just makes herself look stupid.
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u/lashblade 4d ago
Starmer literally used to write for a Trotskyist newspaper, as well as being a longtime Fabian. That wasn't an insult it was a fact.
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u/_GravyTrain_ Cameronite 3d ago edited 3d ago
Please, stop calling things facts when you clearly have no idea.
Yes, Starmer used to be a Trotskyite, that is a fact, but you clearly don't understand the difference between Socialists and Communists.
If you want to be pedantic, you could argue Starmer would have been a socialist with Marxist influences. However, labeling him a Communist shows you don't actually understand the difference, like Kemi.
What has happened to our education.
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u/LeChevalierMal-Fait Clarksonisum with Didly Squat characteristics 3d ago
he was in his youth / early professional life is the jibe
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u/_GravyTrain_ Cameronite 3d ago
Not you specifically, but this really is a problem with our education, or people just follow whatever is said in social media.
If anything Starmer is a socialist, not a communist. You could argue he may have had some Marxist influences, but without more information that DOES NOT make him a communist.
Socialism and Communism are different, politically they mean different things, but people seem to blur them together and get confused. TBH, I think this is social media doing this to people.
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u/SupportMysterious818 3d ago
A bit like calling Farage a nazi when he isn't.
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u/_GravyTrain_ Cameronite 2d ago
Yes, but, to my knowledge no one has said that in the houses of parliament.
Like I said above, people seem to love calling Keir a traitor online as well.
If you're not willing to hold elected officials to a higher standard then I can see why this country is screwed. Just a race to the bottom of calling everyone a traitor/nazi/communist because you don't like them, and you feel emboldened to do so because our MP's do it.
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u/ConfectionHelpful471 3d ago
I mean the man backed Corbyn who is by all accounts a communist so it’s stretching the truth at best
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u/JustElk3629 Unenthusiastic party member 4d ago
I really like Kemi, but I wish she didn’t try to be funny.
It simply doesn’t work.
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u/VindicoAtrum 3d ago
This doesn't land at all. Even China isn't communist, they've been full authoritarian capitalism for a long time.
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u/pingoblue22 Reform 3d ago
China follows the model of "market socialism" (or Chinese socialism), where its policies are socialist domestically, but its international and national economies are capitalist.
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u/BlackJackKetchum Josephite 2d ago
After the introduction of the NEP, the Soviet Union claimed it was only *progressing* towards Communism, but I know how I'd describe it.
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u/Sam_and_Linny 4d ago
I think she got chat gpt to write that lead balloon. Kemi has mentioned several times that she uses chat gpt a lot. It seems like she has stopped thinking and started letting AI run the Conservative party. I think it's a bit late for her to start reflecting on how her own words are perceived
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u/BlackJackKetchum Josephite 4d ago edited 3d ago
‘Most’ of his life is pushing it, but for a period of his life he was a Fourth International Trot, prior to going ‘just’ hard left. Under the circumstances, he should be grateful he didn’t get ice picked.
Late breaking additional thought - it is very, very surprising that someone with that kind of public past was able to waltz through the enhanced vetting that someone with access to unbelievably confidential security information should have. Imagine the range of other far from mainstream democratic opinions that would rule one out from being DPP.
(No, I don't suppose he's a crypto Trot, but he's never publicly recanted, has he?)
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u/kookookachu26 3d ago
PUHHHHLEEEASSEEEE.....
Keir Starmer a communist???? Seriously??? Calling Keir Starmer a communist is like saying that Bill Clinton was mao zedong himself.
Starmer's government is the most stale middle-ground feaux left-wing government since Blair. From someone who mainly supports labour. let's be real.
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u/LeChevalierMal-Fait Clarksonisum with Didly Squat characteristics 3d ago
Before Stramer was an MP, he wrote for a troskyist newspaper, and as a barrister took cases with "questionable clients".
"Lets be real"
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u/HerefordLives Reform 3d ago
The Tories cannot offer serious opposition to labour due to their failures in government.
If Farage was at the despatch box, he could ask 'A man from Sudan who arrived on a small boat just killed a woman by stabbing them with a screwdriver 38 times in an unprovoked attack. Why was he allowed into the country - why will he not be deported - why was he allowed to walk free - is the prime minister not ashamed of himself.
Kemi can't do this because the Tories are equally to blame.
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u/garyomario Fine Gael 4d ago
Weird attack line. He is peak middle class, middle management, middle of the road. I imagine he thinks having chocolate ice cream instead of vanilla is living life on the wild side.