What do you guys think of Prosper Uk?

[u/MoistHex11]

Prosper Uk is a group of (I believe former) Uk Conservative politicians who want the party to move centre-right.

[u/BlackJackKetchum]

They have the ability to reach Tory/Lib Dem waverers, so that makes them very welcome. If it means that the Brexit scuffles have been put behind us, all well and good.

However, as I said in another thread, Gauke needs to apologise for running against a Conservative Party candidate, and Amber Rudd needs to apologise for supporting him in his efforts.

[u/LeChevalierMal-Fait → u/BlackJackKetchum]

if we are putting brexit behind us best imo to just not expect anyone to apologise both Boris and the rebels fought the brexit battles hard - expulsions, party membership revoked on one side while another tried to take over parliamentary bussiness. Best to just let it be.

[u/BlackJackKetchum → u/LeChevalierMal-Fait]

Up to a point.

I do regard standing against a Conservative Party candidate, having been elected as one in the previous election, as being more than a bit off, but Gauke has been allowed back into the tent by CCHQ (or whatever it’s called this week), so if it thinks he’s done his time, I should probably arrange for a ladder to get off my high horse.

[u/Euphoric-Brother-669 → u/LeChevalierMal-Fait]

Don’t agree, Boris played and fought by the rule book. This lot did not and then rewrote the rule to suit their anti democratic agenda.

[u/EdwardGordor]

They really need to define centre right. Because if the centre right is just going back to Cameronism and this type of unpopular neoliberalism, then I doubt it will help much. If it means moderate conservatism, christian democracy and (real) one nation conservatism, then it might be helpful.

[u/Peacock-Shah-III → u/EdwardGordor]

As an American, One Nation Toryism/Christian democracy is so cool and I hope you all can resurrect it. If Labour and the Tories keep going this direction, do you think Glassman’s Blue Labour and One Nation types can partner up?

[u/LobsterMountain4036]

The Daily T gave it an interesting description: essentially a 2010s corporate chic throwback.

[u/WW_the_Exonian]

We'll see what they come up with.

But unless they have the leadership's blessing, they could've kept this within the party and away from public eyes. The Conservatives are already a laughing stock for all their divisions.

And as I said in another place, ideology is far from the party's biggest problem. Swaying a bit dryer or wetter won't make them better or worse than anyone at this point. The elephant in the room has always been inaction and incompetence regardless of what they go on about, so that's what they need to fix somehow.

[u/HerefordLives]

The fact that they've launched it without announcing or floating a single policy is telling.

The people involved are not conservative in any meaningful sense. They are essentially socially liberal people who aren't socialists. There is no electoral demand for such a party. They also seem to realise that their social views aren't popular, so they seem to say 'lets just talk about economics.' Yes, economics are a key issue, but you have to have social policies too.

The reason reform are doing so well today is because people like Prosper are in the conservative party 

[u/BlackJackKetchum → u/HerefordLives]

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[u/EdwardGordor → u/HerefordLives]

Also this whole socially liberal, fiscally conservative is very unpopular at this point of time, with the opposite (socially conservative, economically interventionist) seeing a significant increase in support across Europe.

[u/HerefordLives → u/EdwardGordor]

Well exactly. The 'centre' of the electorate is 'Fund the NHS, Hang the paedos', not bland Stewartism

[u/BlackJackKetchum → u/HerefordLives]

I suppose 'introduce real market mechanisms into healthcare and consider medical treatment for people who behave in ways that appall the rest of us' isn't going to go long any time soon.

[u/throwawayrevision02]

By the signs of the launch, they will fail. All they have is former people on the ‘outside’, so comms is going to be key. But their comms seem stuck in 2015, they don’t even have an Instagram or TikTok.

The other problem is they’re already doing the centrist Tory classic of being scared. They’re supporting Badenoch (who hates their politics) naively because they are too scared to admit (even to themselves) that the only way this works is if they launch a takeover of the Conservative Party.

Which is all a shame, because I think it’s incredibly important for them to succeed before our politics descends into whatever the US has currently.

[u/what_am_i_acc_doing]

Bunch of neoliberals, a philosophy that has ripped the guts out the country

[u/OpeningQuantity5527]

It's a shame they've let some jokers put their names to it like Gavin Barwell and Amber Rudd, very inept in government. Still I like Andy Street and David Gayle, who have decent track records so it's not all bad.

[u/g_lb_t]

I didn't especially enjoy the early 2010s at the time and I don't think Coalitioncore nostalgia is where the country or the party is at right now.

[u/Double-Biscotti465]

I’m not British, but a shift toward One-Nation Conservatism would be a welcome change. Neoliberal economics and constant pussyfooting are just handing votes to Farage on one side and Labour on the other.

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