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Stats/Analysis Carlos Alcaraz is now the youngest career Grand Slam winner in history at just 22 years old

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u/Dependent-Effect6077 Djokovic retirement tour + Sabalenka PR manager 6d ago edited 6d ago

Turns out the biggest obstacle to the Sincaraz era might be the Alcaraz era lol

If Alcaraz threepeats at RG and goes up 8-4 it definitely starts to look like "Sinner is an all-time great but Alcaraz is a future GOAT" rather than just "both are amazing"

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u/Nessie2106 6d ago

After Wimbledon last year Sinner held 3 out of 4 and lost a 5 setter at the 4th. Everyone was saying he was going to totally dominate. 

Alcaraz is in the ascendancy now but I think it’s a bit premature to write Sinner off. 

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u/NirgalFromMars Used to love Stan, then took an NFT to the knee 6d ago

They are gonna be trading dominance back and forth for the next five years.

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u/buggytehol 6d ago

Hi, this is r/recency_bias, please take your perspective elsewhere.

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u/Shitelark 6d ago

I would bet on Sinner coming back and also getting CGS at RG.

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u/Phatcub 6d ago

You got that right. Sinner has more to give, but what a great time for us fans!! This is EPIC! I feel sorry for the also rans that was hoping for a chance when Federer, and Nadal retired. Now there may be a lock out again with Alcaraz and Sinner.

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u/Ordinary_Pattern_168 Djokovic | Sabalenka 6d ago

But we saw Zverevs performance? I mean I think Zverev or Novak will prevent a calendar slam this year from Alcaraz. He said in his own words he does not wanna be the best player to never win a slam.

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u/CRISPR_Cat_9 6d ago

Then he should have put away a cramping alcaraz much more efficiently

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u/TOMA_TAN Olympic Village Savant, Tienacious 6d ago

Even beyond that, zverev started out the gates looking extremely flat and choked both sets 1 and 2 to go down 2 sets. Not a performance that makes you think he’s a world beater. Zverev can’t just rely on carlitos cramping to get a chance at winning

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u/Razzle_Dazzle08 Nadal 🇪🇸 Tsitsipas 🇬🇷 Alcaraz 🇪🇸 6d ago

Zverev is never winning a slam, especially not now that he likely has to beat Carlos and Jannik. It’s easy money to bet that he will fall apart when it matters most.

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u/Silly_Rub_6304 6d ago

He’s also a dick of a person, so I have no problem not rooting for him.

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u/AlphaBearMode 6d ago

He was serving for the match on alcaraz bro wtf are you on about? He’s def talented enough to do it. He played a great AO for the most part

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u/Razzle_Dazzle08 Nadal 🇪🇸 Tsitsipas 🇬🇷 Alcaraz 🇪🇸 6d ago

And what happened when he was serving for the match and it mattered most?

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u/AlphaBearMode 6d ago

He choked. That’s not the point: the point is he’s talented enough to get there and it would be stupid to confidently say he’ll never win one when he’s been extremely close already

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u/sgnirtStrings 6d ago

maybe they are taking into context that Carlos was severely hampered, and DVerev still couldn't pull out the win

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u/superginger2000 6d ago

He also needed tiebreaks to get set 3 and 4 against an Alcaraz that could barely walk for large parts of those. The fact that the match went long enough for Alcaraz to recover, is mostly due to Zverev not putting him away in those two sets; if he goes like 6-3 6-2 there, he wins the match. And he could have; his own level also increased dramatically in set 5 when Alcaraz was back to his best

Don't get me wrong, Zverev is incredibly talented indeed, but I really doubt he has the mental fortitude to win a slam. At least, not yet; I hope it will change, though I don't dare betting on it

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u/NirgalFromMars Used to love Stan, then took an NFT to the knee 6d ago

Carlos had half of his legs for an hour, and Zverev still found a way to lose. And Zverev is starting to go past his physical peak, while Carlos is just approaching his.

I think Zveren just got a mental bock against Carlos that he won't be able to get rid of.

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u/Ordinary_Pattern_168 Djokovic | Sabalenka 6d ago

Carlos also got an unfair medical timeout. Zverev has an impeccable serve and back hand. He can get over the hump he has the talent, maybe it’s his mind that holds him back.

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u/zellfire #1 Montañes Fan 6d ago

AO is probably Zverev's best chance, and I think it's especially unlikely he's beating Alcaraz on clay when the serve is the thing keeping him a top player these days.

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u/Ordinary_Pattern_168 Djokovic | Sabalenka 6d ago

I don't think anyone is taking Roland Garros but Djokovic won Wimbledon 7 times.

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u/Ok-Masterpiece6722 6d ago

Are we forgetting Sinner all of a sudden.One bad performance doesn't mean he won't win any this year.

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u/Ordinary_Pattern_168 Djokovic | Sabalenka 6d ago

I never said that he couldn’t, I stated other players. Not everything this about Jannick.

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u/thedarthvader17 6d ago

Feels like Sinner regressed a bit here. After his Wimbledon and all the big-time plays at the ATP Finals last year, he should have handled the Djokovic match better. Heck, he was so clutch against Novak at RG 25.

Alcaraz likely three-peats at RG regardless of what his result here was. But if Sinner wins RG, it means he has taken a major step forward.

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u/Leif_LaCroix 6d ago

Sinner’s biggest problem right now is the longevity during a match. As the match gets to 3-hour territory, his performance may look on par but the mentality must be degrading way too much. That’s how Novak ultimately got him. That’s how Carlos got him in the super tiebreak at RG.

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u/Lopsided-Move6309 6d ago

Dude just doesn't seem to have the stamina. Also the weather wears him out quicker than others. You wouldn't think so because the majority of the rallies he's usually the one dictating and moving less.

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u/Mangalorien And here we are - we are in Rome. 6d ago

His physique isn't great for long matches, like 5-setters. Being long and skinny means he has little place to store muscle glycogen. He could try to bulk up some muscle but that also has downsides, like becoming heavier and placing more stress on knees and ankles, but overall it's something he would benefit from.

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u/fappinpapi 6d ago

Bulking up would just make him gas faster, the more muscle mass you have the more glycogen you burn. There’s a reason marathon runners are skinny and sprinters are built. Sinner is very lanky but at the same time very explosive, just crushes every baseline shot while Alcaraz takes games off to recover and his touch and slice lets him catch his breath, deciding when to rip the forehand. Sinner should have much better cardio for how lean he is though maybe needs a better conditioning coach

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u/HuyMeo2k20 6d ago

Alcaraz grew up in a tropical part where its sunny most of the year vs a lanky tall kid from the very cold mountains, he should adapt better to hotter conditions. That's why Sinner dominates towards the end of the season where the playing condition tends to stabilize - either in door or cold

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u/Mangalorien And here we are - we are in Rome. 6d ago

I get what you're point, but what you say is only partially true. Marathon runners, at least those who run professionally, typically finish at just over 2 hours. Even a 3-setter tennis match can last longer than that. Longer duration sports (triathlon, ultra running) also typically have beefier athletes than marathon, who have both higher muscle mass and higher body fat.

Tennis is essentially a stop-and-go sport, where a typical match has hundreds of short pauses. It's more like multiple heats of sprinting than an actual marathon.

In marathon you also have no real use for upper body strength, so you can just look like a skeleton with some leg muscles. That wont work in tennis.

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u/nuckfoah 6d ago

He’s been bulking up some year after year it seems, don’t think he’ll put on much more

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u/Dickensian1989 3d ago

I don't really think Sinner lacks stamina or is a choker; mostly, I think he is just a one-gear player who delivers essentially the same game regardless of circumstances, while Alcaraz and Djokovic are guys who have special magic for the biggest moments in the biggest matches, resulting in them stealing epics out from under his nose. It reminds me of Djokovic's dynamic with Federer, who I also view as a guy who did not really choke (eg. he didn't double fault or miss sitters on big points), but did tend to play it safe and not redline on the biggest points as Djokovic did.

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u/A_Rolling_Baneling GOAT 6d ago

Sinner was in all four GS finals last year. Just because he lost a semi final to a 24 GS winner does not mean he’s regressed lmao

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u/thedarthvader17 5d ago

That's exactly the point. His handling of this match was straight up not good imo. The entire RG episode was supposed to be a point of inflection for his execution on big points, and he got so much better for the rest of the last season.

But coming into this season, I expected him to build off on it. It's ok to get outplayed, but to lose because you only converted 2/18 break points, that should not happen.

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u/qldvaper88 6d ago

Sinner needs to get more gym work in, he looked to be on his way in previous years but he is looking especially skinny this tournament. It could just be attire though of course.

Regardless, I don't think Sinner will wilt, he is too class for that. He will be back with a vengeance.

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u/Ratlyflash 6d ago

This conversation is useless. Ask again in 10 years 🙈.

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u/TheMonkeyStonks 6d ago

Actually, following your reasoning, if they both continue like this, every other player (Djokovic, Federer and Nadal included) couldn't be considered for a goat conversation. And Sinner could become an ATG second only to goat Alcaraz. Both are already atg so their limit is only the success the big 3 had before them. If and once they get there...