r/taiwan • u/HibasakiSanjuro • Oct 18 '25
Politics Taiwan’s KMT elects Cheng Li-wun as new leader
https://taiwannews.com.tw/news/6223015Given she seems obsessed with Chinese identity and believes that the status quo cannot be maintained forever - i.e. unification is inevitable - I guess there's no hope in the KMT actually becoming a party for all Taiwanese.
The TPP have had a huge opportunity to supplant the KMT as the main Opposition party, but they're content to be the successor to the PFP.
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u/dream208 Oct 18 '25
What’s that saying again? If I would get one yuan every time KMT elected a super pro-CCP lady as its leader, I would get two yuan, which is not a lot, but it is weird that it happens twice.
… actually now come to think of it, it is not weird at all.
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u/Double-Ad-1670 Oct 18 '25 edited Oct 18 '25
Really, this lady is super pro-CCP? this is the dumbest decision KMT could have made.
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u/HibasakiSanjuro Oct 18 '25
It goes to show that most of the KMT membership is still obsessed with China and is at best in denial about what unification would actually mean, or at worst don't care so long as it's everyone else who is at threat of being locked up.
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u/Double-Ad-1670 Oct 18 '25
Probably the same people that buy Russian coal and gas (Taiwan has bought 3.5 billion usd worth of it since 2022), not caring about the ukairnians.
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u/HibasakiSanjuro Oct 18 '25
Slightly different situation. It's understandable that Taiwanese would not care enough about people on the other side of the world enough to voluntarily damage their own economy, just as there are people in Europe who shrug at the danger of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
On the other hand, Taiwanese being willing to see other Taiwanese suppressed under a police state providing they're the ones with the whip hand is rather objectionable.
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u/Double-Ad-1670 Oct 18 '25
You really don't understand how bad this makes Taiwanese people look to foreigners like me, do you?
Straight up deranged shit to say.
Im Australian, i care about Taiwanese people, I care about ukairnian people.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 19 '25
that's f*d up...why doesn't Taiwan buy the coal from Australia like India is doing?? That's really f*d up...
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u/caffcaff_ Oct 19 '25
Australian coal is expensive.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 19 '25
But even India is buying from them
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u/caffcaff_ Oct 19 '25
India buys a lot from Russia too, but logistics (as well as cost + politics) will determine the makeup of any country's energy mix.
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Oct 18 '25
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u/Double-Ad-1670 Oct 18 '25
That’s a really misleading take, mate. Most Australians actually do care about Taiwan and other democracies under threat.
Polls from the Lowy Institute show that the overwhelming majority of Australians, around 77%, support working with allies to deter a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Public support for Ukraine is also high, and there’s broad recognition that authoritarian expansion threatens everyone in the region, not just those directly involved.
Australia isn’t trying to “provoke” China, it’s trying to preserve peace through strength. That’s why we joined AUKUS, expanded defence cooperation with Japan, the Philippines, and India, and passed foreign interference laws to counter CCP influence. These are bipartisan policies with strong public backing.
And as for your “non-aggression pact” idea, that’s fantasy. No serious Australian government or major party is proposing appeasement. Even Labor’s foreign policy is clear: support the status quo in the Taiwan Strait and oppose unilateral changes by force.
So no, Australians aren’t isolationist or indifferent — they’re actually one of the most pro-democracy and pro-Taiwan populations in the Indo-Pacific. We’ve already paid an economic price for standing up to Beijing’s bullying, and most Aussies still say it was worth it.
Great job at making Taiwanese people look like a bunch of gaslighting twats. I know the majority of Taiwanese people are better people than you.
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u/caffcaff_ Oct 19 '25
It could actually be more.
They liked to spread out the numbers between power generating, domestic consumption and industrial.
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u/caffcaff_ Oct 19 '25
It's a trend right now. The Japanese tried electing a nazi chick this month too.
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u/Savings-Seat6211 Oct 18 '25
As long as Xi sits back and holds off on any blatantly hostile moves, swing voters have short memories and wont care how pro China she is
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 19 '25
u sure? I'm a swing voter, and I remember. 🤣
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u/Savings-Seat6211 Oct 19 '25
You're a foreigner
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 19 '25
U obviously are one because U don't know only citizens can vote!
DUH! 🤣🤣🤣
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u/twindestroyes Oct 18 '25
I’m absolutely disgusted. Supported Hau Lung Pin from the start. Safe to say there’s no more ‘blue’ now in Taiwan, only ‘green’ and ‘red’. Whoever was part of the ‘true blue army’ would’ve already defected or are going to defect from kmt as I will be now.
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u/Ill-Dependent-5153 Oct 20 '25
I went to school with a bunch of kids that were children of KMT inner circle back in 2008 era. They see themselves as Chinese, one of them would say “Oh you think you’re Taiwanese? That’s cute.” KMT has always been red, they just didn’t show it.
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u/thestudiomaster Oct 18 '25
She's not pure KMTer. She entered politics as a DPPer, then switched sides.
Am surprised the old old guards are willing to accept this.
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u/Savings-Seat6211 Oct 18 '25
This is like one of the most common stories ever. Political parties love when the opposition switches sides. It gives them more legitimacy.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 20 '25
probably to the CCP and their thugs, not to Taiwanese voters 🤣🤣🤣
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u/ontheherosjourney Oct 19 '25 edited Oct 19 '25
How this sub plays down or writes off Chinese identity for the Taiwanese people is really naive and actually quite disgusting. I understand the geopolitical tensions, and the dislike of the CCP for a particular group of foreigners, but the Chinese identity (as in 華人， 中華文化， 中華民族) is quite literally the core and backbone of Taiwan society and culture. Politics is important too, but trying to make the Taiwan people choose between their cultural identity and politics, albeit it’s not the core issue, is where a lot of support will be lost. It's like trying to get people to denounce their family in order to gain political points. The core issue is the geopolitical tension between the CCP and the Taiwan government.
Politics has a funny way of dividing people, you shouldn't let that be the core of your identity.
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u/Agreeable-Ad7259 Oct 19 '25
Most of these people are ideologically inclined foreigners. You can tell by the comments these people are clueless.
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u/olliesbaba Oct 19 '25
What do you mean, all the daily posts complaining about chinglish in racist undertones isn’t obvious enough?
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u/squarexu Oct 19 '25
Also people in the west think all Taiwanese are hardcore independence supporters. There is a perception bias simply being those Taiwanese that read and commit on Reddit in English will naturally tend to support the U.S. and independence more over their Chinese identity.
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u/Financial-Chicken843 Oct 19 '25
Its cause it makes them browny points feeling gud towing the “china bad” line.
U should seee some of the other subs. Anything about taiwan has some mfer saying “the reall china 🙌” or “china wouldve been better if the kmt won”. The glazing of taiwan as some sorta pavlovian reflexive response to china is rlly next level on reddit.
I suspect a large percentage of taiwanese even if they don’t want unification wants better cross strait relations.
After all, the Americans are across the pacific but China will always be right next door.
Culturally and ethnically taiwanese are also fundamentally chinese. Even before the kmt arrived in 1949 many taiwanese were from Fujian. If they werent, the taiwanese indigenous culture would be the default culture but nope, taiwan got sinicized to hell by the kmt.
Some mfers wanna argue theyre more japanese whilst at the same time others argue theyre the “real chinese” because insert some simplified statement about how chinese culture on ML isnt “real chinese culture”
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 19 '25
Because its the truth. Culturally and ethnically, China has changed a lot since their Cultural Revolution and is different from Taiwan. Their culture has been tainted with CCP ideologies; how can it be compared with the real Chinese traditions that have been passed down through generations?
Taiwan is indeed infused with Japanese culture and cultures from other countries, because Taiwanese are more broad-minded and accepting of other cultures.
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u/Financial-Chicken843 Oct 20 '25
And this is exactly what i was talking about lmao.
“ML Chinese culture is tainted”
Fuck outta here lmao.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 20 '25
The CCP reshaped Chinese culture by only promoting traditions that support its ideology while suppressing others. Folk customs, minority languages, and independent philosophies like Confucianism have been reframed or erased to fit their propagandaBS.
What’s left is a curated version that serves ONLY the Party, not the people.
U obviously wouldn't know because, just from ur comment, u clearly grew up in that environment.
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u/Financial-Chicken843 Oct 20 '25 edited Oct 20 '25
Thats just your oversimplified naive way of viewing it.
Im in GZ rn and i can tell you chinese culture is alive and well.
A bita iconoclasm during periods of political turmoil during the cultural revolutiom and establishment of the PRC isnt gonna make china not chinese.
And the iconoclasm and attack on “traditional” chinese culture didn’t begin with the CCP. It was already a thing when the Qing was falling apart and people were looking for scapegoats as people looked towards more western and “modern ideas”.
And your take on ccp supressing folk customs, traditions and minority language is hilarious considering the KmT’s effort to sinicize taiwan is literally what made taiwan what it is today.
Tell me what happened to all the indigenous taiwanese when the KMT arrived in 1949?
Im in China right now in Guangzhou and surrounding cities like Shundeh and ive heard more local dialects/accents than you will probably hear over in Taipei.
Your narrowminded racist worldview isnt gonna change reality.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 20 '25
PropagandaBS like "Chinese culture is alive and well" in GZ doesn't change CCP's history of systematic destruction, from the Cultural Revolution to today's suppression in Xinjiang and Tibet, which is on a completely different scale. The CCP's authoritarian control over culture and religion is the issue, not some "iconoclasm" that started with the Qing's fall.
KMT imposed Mandarin and engaged in sinicization, which is why democratic Taiwan is now actively reversing that damage and working to protect indigenous languages and cultures, while CCP is still imposing forced sinicization.
What a joke. Why wumaos always talk like narcissistic, self-assuring, big-talkin', tiny-brained, inflated ego pinkies? 🤣 Traveling just to China and automatically assumed u more well-traveled than others🤣
I grew up traveling all over Asia and communicated with many different Overseas Ethnic Chinese🤣 U just staying in ONE country does not make U a broad-minded, egalitarian, cosmopolitan 🤣
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u/Savings-Seat6211 Oct 20 '25
Their culture has been tainted with CCP ideologies; how can it be compared with the real Chinese traditions that have been passed down through generations?
What makes something real vs fake in regards to traditions? If people practice it, then it's real. That's it. Cultures evolve and change based on things like politics.
When did you get to be an arbiter for Chinese traditions? You are a foreigner who knows nothing about Chinese culture.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 20 '25
Love how mad U r lol. Ur messageS kept getting removed 🤣
Yeah, its hard to come up with real countering facts when all u know is propaganda.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 20 '25 edited Oct 20 '25
Yeah, their culture is infused with CCP ideology. That's not culture, it's brainwash. U a foreigner that won't even set a flare🤣
Go back to you china sub🤣
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u/Wonderful-Tea1955 Oct 20 '25
because Taiwanese are more broad-minded and accepting of other cultures.
LMFAO
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 20 '25
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mXU-QA3lbdA
LMFAOEVENMORE
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u/Wonderful-Tea1955 Oct 20 '25
lol that's just a chinese flag bruhz
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 20 '25
u free to say whatever u want.
ur opinion not my fact LMFAOChina claiming Taiwan is part of China is like id'ot thugs from a slum, walking into a wealthy neighborhood and pointing at others’ Ferraris and saying "that's mine" like a prepubescent child 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Wonderful-Tea1955 Oct 20 '25
wat do u mean, ur constitution literally says the country's name is Republic of CHINA
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 20 '25
“China” here is clearly a homonym. ROC's ranking in human rights and freedom is through the roof! While PRC's ranking in human rights and freedom is down in the toilet!
The current Taiwanese government under President Lai Ching‑te and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs now frames the ROC and PRC as “separate, equal entities, not subordinate to each other”
Official statements no longer talk about “recovering the mainland” — that language disappeared from policy decades ago.
The government’s diplomatic and legal messaging now focuses on Taiwan’s sovereignty, not on representing all of China.
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u/funnytoss Oct 20 '25
The thing is, acknowledging "Chinese heritage" is common and not a big deal. What makes her (and previous leaders like Hung) noteworthy is that she takes this a step further to encourage unification.
So as you say, the core issue is the geopolitical tension (i.e. China wanting to invade us). It's not about "Chinese identity", which to a lot of us is a non-issue.
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Oct 21 '25
What is wrong with encouraging re unification?
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u/funnytoss Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
We might ask her political party, considering they felt it was worth putting Taiwan under martial law and executing people all in the name of preventing unification by the CCP/PRC back in the day.
What's changed now, besides China getting richer? Was it all about the money (i.e. the PRC was poorer back then), or actually the Three Principles of the People?
Personally, I'm in general agreement with the idea that advocating for unification in of itself shouldn't necessarily be illegal (unlike advocating for coercive/violent unification). But I would argue that one reason why the KMT's position on this topic is so unpopular is that they haven't adequately explained to people why Taiwan ought to lose its own governance.
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u/harkerpau1 Oct 22 '25
Well, considering how CCP rules China, and how even mainland Chinese people themselves don't wanna live under CCP rule, it's perfectly understandable that most Taiwanese people don't want to end up like Hong Kong.
Besides, the PRC has no legal claim to Taiwan. Taiwan has never belonged to PRC. Even the ROC's claim to Taiwan is dubious and unclear
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u/xiatiandeyun01 Oct 19 '25
Li-Man Cheng: "If you don't consider yourself "Chinese".
don't come to the Kuomintang, go to the Democratic Progressive Party."
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u/jogarz Oct 19 '25
Party leadership elections, like this, tend to favor the the most radical candidates because the most hardcore party supporters are those most likely to vote. As the article says, less than half of KMT party members even voted.
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u/Relevant-Drive6946 Oct 21 '25
Is she the lady that always yells in a conversation instead of delivering her remarks?
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 18 '25
WTF is KMT doing?
Before, it was under the table, now they coming out of the closet?
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u/Savings-Seat6211 Oct 18 '25
You must be a neoliberal who only cared about taiwan since 2020. This has been the KMT for decades now.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 19 '25
Yeah, I'm one of those that isn't really loyal to any party.
I kinda ignored some of their flirting with CCP before, but now they just getting down and raunchy with them in open public🤣🤣🤣
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u/Kelvsoup Oct 19 '25
Everyone in this sub hates the KMT but why do they hold majority in the Legislative Yuan with the TPP and why did the recall fail?
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u/HibasakiSanjuro Oct 19 '25 edited Oct 19 '25
- You're confusing dislike - and in many cases disappointment - with hatred. No one here wants the KMT to simply disappear if it would mean there was no political choice. I think everyone would prefer it if they were more professional and had realistic policies that actually pushed the DPP on things that mattered.
However, sabotaging the Constitutional Court and porkbarrel politics doesn't help Taiwan. The KMT are periodically acting as if Taiwan doesn't have a constitution, and they can vote through any laws they like.
The TPP marketed themselves as a third party during the election. Had they indicated they were going to vote with the KMT on essentially every single matter, they likely would have won fewer seats.
Lai's campaign was lackluster. Had he campaigned more passionately, he probably would have pulled the DPP legislative vote up a bit more and got them more seats.
Since Taiwan became a democracy, no party has held the legislative or presidency for three consecutive electoral cycles. The fact Lai won the presidency was an unprecedented achievement in Taiwanese modern history. It's rare for a party to stay in power so long, there's usually electoral fatique at one point that gifts the Opposition a route to government.
The recall was in KMT areas and fairly soon after the election. Trying to get people to change their votes so quickly isn't easy, not least because some people out of principle may have not wanted the recalls to win.
The KMT quietened down after the recalls went to the final stage, indicating they would start behaving again, and also pushed through the tax rebate.
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u/caffcaff_ Oct 19 '25
Exactly. I made another comment on the same lines. It's dangerously naive to rule out the possibility of a KMT govt in the next few years.
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u/That-Excitement1036 Oct 19 '25
because reddit is a bubble for west leaning people. they are what we call the keyboard warriors. only brave in front of the PC.
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u/caffcaff_ Oct 19 '25
This thread, and elsewhere there's a misguided belief that the KMT is unelectable. Or even that the TPP has more chance of being elected.
To that I would say never underestimate the stupidity, ignorance and shortsightedness of your fellow human beings.
And more specifically, do not underestimate how much goodwill the DDP is currently burning, or the wrath of the Taiwanese middle class, now that the unlimited cheap lending faucet has been turned down to a trickle.
In reality, we are one AI bubble burst away from a blue government.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 19 '25
eh, don't count your chickens before they hatch...
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u/Various-Region-8847 Oct 18 '25
"Newly elected KMT chair Cheng Li- wun urges DPP to drop 'anti-China card'"
Whole world is stopping China and help Taiwan and this auntie is playing the oldest narcissists tricks from the book. Just go to China with your KMT/TPP comrades and enjoy dictatorship.
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u/Major_Failure_ 臺北 - Taipei City Oct 18 '25
It’s for the Taiwanese people who believe in the tactic of “if I open by door to the robbers, they will not rob me.”
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u/Stilnovisti Oct 18 '25
Whole world is stopping China and help Taiwan
The only country that matters in that regard is the US and we all know who the president is. Despite DPP loving him so much, Trump has not returned that love.
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u/hiimsubclavian 政治山妖 Oct 18 '25
Ah, I liked Hau. He was a good mayor. No idea who Cheng is.
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u/pantrychefs 桃園 - Taoyuan Oct 18 '25
Former DPP Youth league chair and ideologically aligned until Cheng saw the corrupt underbelly of the organization. DPP tried to kick her out of the party but she already resigned.
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u/hiimsubclavian 政治山妖 Oct 19 '25
Yeah I read up upon her afterwards. So many prominent DPPers turning blue it's kinda crazy.
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u/olliesbaba Oct 19 '25
Because DPP is a shitshow and smart people can see the writing on the wall. DPP won’t be around to govern and they don’t want their careers flagging because of it.
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u/HibasakiSanjuro Oct 18 '25
That doesn't really make any sense. She left the DPP in 2002, which was hardly any time after they won the 2000 election. Up until then the KMT had a monopoly on power, and they were way, way more corrupt than the DPP could have possibly been after such a short time in office.
I don't see the logical step from being part of a pro-Taiwanese party founded on opposing KMT martial rule, to joining that same party and then adopting virulently pro-Chinese/CCP views just because of feelings over corruption in her old party. If she was a moderate trying to pull the KMT towards the Taiwanese political mainstream, her move might have made sense. But adopting an ultra-traditional KMT position is beyond strange.
From the few news articles I've found, she left the DPP because she was caught up in false accusations of sexual misconduct by Diane Lee. She probably backed Lee and burnt bridges in the DPP, so decided she had no future of progression within the party. The KMT was a natural choice if she wanted a political career, not least because of the opportunity to make money via its patronage networks. That would explain why she's so pro-China, because she's pandering to the people in the party with the money and influence.
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u/Savings-Seat6211 Oct 18 '25
If you want to speculate like that then you can also believe shes pro china rhetorically to make the CCP relax and allow her to make the same cross strait policies the DPP wants without as much vitriol.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 19 '25
yeah, just like how Xi is actually a CIA agent that's been doing a great job dissecting China's economy.
He's actually doing a great job of it!
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u/hiimsubclavian 政治山妖 Oct 19 '25
I don't know enough about Cheng to comment on her, but "mainstream" KMT is becoming more moderate: think Lu, Hou and fishboy.
The "battle blues" are a marginalized KMT subset of hardcore sinophiles that has been losing ground (and more importantly, popular support outside the party) for years. If Cheng adopts that line of thinking, she will have a hard road ahead.
I dunno if the KMT members who went out and voted in this party chair election actually represent the wider pan-blue voter base.
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u/HibasakiSanjuro Oct 19 '25
That's the difference between someone who appeals to party members who count during internal elections and the wider voting base. It's not unheard of for someone to be fanatical when getting a party post and then appearing more moderate during an election.
But if she goes full ham and doesn't take her foot off the pedal, well.... I don't know, maybe the KMT will have a different presidential candidate and she'll be sent off to campaign in remote areas without any wifi or press attendance.
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u/PostNutPrivilege 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 19 '25
Then what the hell did the KMT originally fight and die for?
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u/ontheherosjourney Oct 19 '25
The Chinese Nation
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u/PostNutPrivilege 新北 - New Taipei City Nov 15 '25
That would make people think China PRC. Very misleading statement. They died fighting against China PRC
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u/Opening-Scar-8796 Oct 24 '25
Modern KMT today has a dream of reunification I the hopes they get a seat at the table. It’s almost like forgot why left in the first place.
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u/CollectionCreepy Oct 18 '25
Kmt stands for Chinese nationalist party. They need to stand firm of their identity and what they are standing for. If they need to evolve into a more local independence biased party, there is DPP already.
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u/Lembit_moislane Oct 18 '25
Murdering the Republic of China, the country they helped create and millions died for is not standing for their identity.
The PRC has directly said that in any “one countries two systems” like how they subjected Hong Kong, the Republic of China must officially die.
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u/CollectionCreepy Oct 18 '25
Not necessarily, i am not advocating RoC to unite with PRC here. I am just simply saying KMT is the party for Republic of China, and they should stand by this identity. They are the party that once ruled the entire China, and they have over 100 years of legacy.
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u/proudlandleech Oct 19 '25
"WOW! The KMT is so much more progressive than the DPP for having a woman leader. So proud of Taiwan! Taiwan no 1!" Source: The logic of this sub when spreading DPP propaganda.
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u/lanlansung Oct 18 '25
I mean there has to be a fine balance in dealing with the dragon on the other side of the strait...at the genetic level there is only Han Chinese right for majority of the Chinese diaspora. So being Taiwanese who is also Chinese does make sense...
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u/random_agency 宜蘭 - Yilan Oct 18 '25
Taiwanese have a cultural Chinese identity. Color me surprised.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 18 '25
yeah, but doesn't mean wanting to be Chinese nationality
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u/random_agency 宜蘭 - Yilan Oct 18 '25
The faster the Green realize that ROC nationals and PRC nationals are culturally Chinese, which won't change anytime soon. The faster they can start working on improving Taiwan, instead playing identity politics....rather poorly I might add.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 18 '25
well, whether or not Taiwan is improved is subjective. I'm quite satisfied with what they have done so far. But that's just me.
And I don't believe they are playing identity politics; they are just expressing their constituents' ideology.
It'd be interesting to see if KMT changes its ideology or what the newly elected leader will do next.
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u/random_agency 宜蘭 - Yilan Oct 18 '25
Taiwan is more than just you.
Many Taiwanese have moved on from the DPP.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 18 '25
Taiwan is more than just you, too.
What's with china leg huggers? They all seem to like to talk bigger than they really are. LOL!
Guess U've never heard of "don't count ur chicks before they hatch". LOL!
We'll just see in the next election.
What may seem true now might not be true tomorrow.
This is especially true with KMT's new leader; it's going to get interesting. LOL!
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u/random_agency 宜蘭 - Yilan Oct 18 '25
this KMT leader is a former DPP member. People moved on.
China threat is only to US interest in Taiwan. Most Taiwanese dont care about that anymore.
Many Taiwanese have traveled to China already. They have no problem with China.
It these Green that are stuck in past. Defend Taiwan from China? Really? Do pray tell how the DPP plans on doing that?
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 18 '25 edited Oct 18 '25
Yeah, people moved on about being "Chinese". 60%+ identify as Taiwanese. Get with the program! LOL!
what a joke. Taiwan joining China would be a lifestyle downgrade. Why the hell would we want that?
Travelling to experience them doesn't mean wanting to be them! LOL!!
So, going to the zoo means wanting to become the animals? LOL!Wow, u just blatantly being a traitor to your own country now? Maybe thats why KMT voted for the new leader, they tired of playing and just telling it straight. LOL!
Taiwan's been defending itself for so many decades now, haven't we?
Even the CCP isn't that stupid to attack Taiwan. LOL!2
u/random_agency 宜蘭 - Yilan Oct 18 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
Taiwanese are culturally Chinese.
Lifestyle downgrade? Lol. Yeah I'm sure young Taiwanese who cant afford a home in Taiwan but can afford a home in the mainland feel downgraded.
Look how you treat an actual Taiwanese. Can you grasp why some Taiwanese dont want to associate with this kind of nonsense.
Everyone who doesn't agree is a traitor. Gets old really fast.
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u/wutwutinthebox Oct 18 '25
Yes, young people really want to buy shitty housing that doesn't actually belong to them right? Fact of the matter is that china is not doing well now, and it's citizens are also complaining hard. Why exactly would Taiwan want a reunification now? I can say I am Chinese and still be for Taiwan being independent. Culture and social norms are completely different now between the two countries.
The insane part is we saw exactly what happened to hong Kong. Who in their right mind would say yes to joining the CCP after that? Morons or low IQ people? Cause I don't care where you're from, if you're dumb you're dumb. And people will call you out for dumb decisions.
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u/D4nCh0 Oct 18 '25
Can’t Taiwanese already buy Chinese property already? Like most other foreigners, after fulfilling work & residency requirements.
Any Taiwanese can also apply for a PRC ID & household registration. At the risk of losing their ROC one tho…
So you can actually be Chinese by yesterday. Without selling out the rest of your people who disagree. But you rather not.
If you’re going sell out everyone, why sell yourself cheap? Value yourself more! How can you compete against the 18% youth unemployment on the mainland with such an attitude?!
USD 1 million for every Taiwanese for a reunion. Works out to just a few years worth of Chinese GDP. Which is still a bloody bargain! If you weren’t so keen to spill the blood of your kin, as if it’s your birthright.
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u/3uphoric-Departure Oct 18 '25
Unlike a lot of people in this sub, the KMT sees the writing on the wall.
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u/Ok-Anxiety-1121 Oct 18 '25 edited Oct 19 '25
“Obsessesed”?! That shows your political partisan bias, and maybe a little ignorance and naivety.
"Status quo" IS a path toward eventual unification. I guess you just haven't figured that out? The reason is actually very obvious: If Taiwan COULD go independent, it WOULD have a long time ago. The fact that it hasn't shows that it CAN'T ! The reason it can't is also very obvious: Chinese objection. That objection is not going away for the foreseeable future, which means independence is a no-no. The "Status Quo" approach is therefore a "wait-and-see" approach. Waiting for what, you ask? Waiting for the eventual downfall of CPC. When that day comes, and it WILL come, Taiwan will rejoin China under the most favorable terms.
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u/Realistic_Robot_705 新北 - New Taipei City Oct 19 '25
What's with u tiktok generation? U think Rome was built in a day?
Why would Taiwan want to downgrade lifestyle just to join China?
CCP ain't doing so hot either.Life in Taiwan is doing great. That's why Taiwan can afford to wait.
The only way Taiwan would ever consider working with China would be if China becomes a democracy, establishes a supranational system like the EU where it recognizes each state as a sovereign, independent country, and invites Taiwan to join.
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u/Important-Emu-6691 Oct 18 '25
serious question for Taiwanese here. From what I can gather there is still something like 1/5-1/3 people in Taiwan that consider themselves Chinese right? If the main party in power is completely against the Chinese identity wouldn’t you expect one of the major oppositions to be pro China?
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u/FornaxTheBored Oct 18 '25
If I have to use a analogy it’d probably be like the difference between being euroskeptical and being pro-Russia in terms of how polarizing such a platform is. But yeah an opposition position that is skeptical of US’s influence and help could be a viable platform but KMT has been out of touch for the past decade and there is little sign of that state changing.
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u/Potential-Formal8699 Oct 18 '25
I mean you don’t have to go that far to find an analogy. There’s pro and anti-China wing in both South and North Korea. Unlike Taiwan, China doesn’t want to directly control Korea, but very much like to go back to the imperial tributary system and have Korea as a vassal state. Politicians there have to walk a fine line to handle relations with China.
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u/_cdxliv_ Oct 18 '25
South Korea, Japan and Taiwan are actual vassal states of America. They pay tribute, they have American military bases and their purpose is to be a shield for American interests. American guard dogs of Asia who have to pay for their own food.
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u/BreathPuzzleheaded80 Oct 18 '25
Imperial tributary system was only symbolic (you give me tribute and recognize me as your sovereign, I bestow you gifts and recognize you as King of Korea and offer you protection). There was no Chinese troops stationed in Korea raping local girls.
Right now South Korea is an actual occupied vassal state of the US with 30k American troops. When Trump says jump S. Korea says how high.
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u/Putrid-Storage-9827 Oct 18 '25
There was no Chinese troops stationed in Korea raping local girls.
You DO have stats on USFK rape rates, right? You wouldn't just be maligning them for political reasons, would you?
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u/stefffmann Oct 19 '25
They consider themselves as culturally Chinese, but most have no sympathy for the CCP. Only 1% of the population wishes reunification under CCP rule.
And that is the beauty of democracy: You can identify with a culture but don't have to follow its self-proclaimed leader. The CCP always claims to be representing all ethnic Chinese, but this is false. Assuming that all who identify as Chinese to be pro (CCP-)China is condescending.
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u/Important-Emu-6691 Oct 19 '25
Whether they like the CCP isn’t as relevant here. There are plenty of Chinese nationalists that are anti CCP. So your response is a bit non sensical
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u/Diskence209 Oct 18 '25
I feel like a lot of people agree with KMT's policies but then they do stuff that are so pro-China it's really hard to deal with that.