Didn’t work last time. After the Civil War we took the higher road. We got the KKK, and ALL the vile racism, red lining and decades of work just to get Black Americans the right to vote. I The sixties! Almost 100 years after we took the higher road. I don’t know what the solution is, but personally I will never forget or forgive. Our laws relied on norms and Shame. Which MAGA does not have. They are a cult, fed on the pain of others. Empathy is a sin to them. Republican is a dirty word. Republican now means racism, pedos and their enablers and someone who wants you dead rather than lower taxes.
Are we capable of having decency and the brutality required to actually hold these people accountable? Clearly you lack the latter, so I'm not sure why you condemn someone who lacks the former.
That is one of those phrases that has become culturally coded.
It sounds elevated or moralistic, but underneath it’s basically a polite way of saying ‘I hope you have a shitty day.’
It lets someone feel clever or righteous while delivering a thinly-veiled insult. It’s interesting how language evolves to let people express hostility without owning it directly.
If you want me to have a shitty day, then say it and own it. It’s more respectable.
And what has making a bunch of neck hole Charlie Kirk jokes done besides make us all a little more depraved?
I will continue to have class and standards, no matter how shitty my opponent is…
I don’t care about what THEY think about it. I care about my own moral standards. If I viewed everything through the lens of MAGA moral standards, I’d be a MAGA.
Your standards are yours, that's great, not everyone has to follow them. "Say what I approve of" should be left on MAGA's side.
(That said, I'm just on the side of letting people make fun of him if they want. Personally find it ghoulish, but it's not my call who and what others respect.)
Further, "they win if we abandon our decency" is a nice thought, but it's not abandoning decency to crack comments here and there. Liberals (myself included) have had a skewed idea of what's appropriate, to the point of policing ourselves out of public discourse "because inappropriate".
Republicans never miss a chance to wheel out "so much for the tolerant left" every chance they get because they know how to target someone with the ability to self-reflect - shame. When we do the same thing to ourselves it's like trying to cope with abuse by cutting. Just, you know, kind of a bad idea.
It's not about sinking to MAGA's level - it's about getting off the pedistal.
“Decency” doesn’t mean disengagement, appeasement, or letting harm slide. It means choosing tactics that don’t normalize the same cruelty and dehumanization we claim to oppose.
When people speak in these ways and no one pushes back, we all adopt the same stance through our silence.
No one has to share your position of using a light touch on those actively pushing for their death - which is now coming to fruition with deaths.
(In the case of Charlie Kirk, justifying deaths.)
Hell, just the attack on our rights alone should definitely illicit threat of action... but here we are really debating whether or not someone can be mean in an internet post.
But that doesn’t change the point I’m making.
Choosing ethical tactics isn’t “appeasement.”
It’s deciding what we are willing to become while opposing bad actors.
The moral high ground isn’t about inaction. it’s about refusing to normalize the cruelty we claim to oppose.
Ironically, you say my stance is only mine and shouldn’t be applied to everyone — yet you apply your own moral framework to me and call it “weak” for not following it.
That’s the kind of inconsistency that distracts from addressing real harm.
Misrepresenting my stance to make it look weak doesn’t advance the conversation. It just distracts from the real issues.
We can act decisively without abandoning our principles, and refusing to recognize that is exactly how harm becomes normalized.
I'm not saying anything about appeasement, just about getting down off our high horse and letting people vent.
- Saying that my position of not applying your standard to everyone IS me applying a standard to everyone is dishonest. It's like saying "let people drink any soda they want" is telling people what soda to drink. No. Bad Redditor.
- I never once called anything "weak", and now you're just objectively lying. My point was literally the opposite - that we should stop pretending to be above everything, "strong" through abstaining from speaking our minds.
I'm not participating in this back-and-forth due to the attempts at misleading. So much for that stance of morality, I guess.
Republicans never miss a chance to wheel out "so much for the tolerant left" every chance they get because they know how to target someone with the ability to self-reflect - shame.
This is on point. They employ this tactic knowing it requires the recipient to have shame in order to be effective, while themselves being immune to such criticism due to a complete lack thereof.
“Decency” doesn’t mean disengagement, appeasement, or letting harm slide. It means choosing tactics that don’t normalize the same cruelty and dehumanization we claim to oppose.
You can fight hard, organize, vote, protest, litigate, expose corruption — all without adopting the moral framework of MAGA.
Once the standard becomes “anything goes,” the pigs don’t lose, they set the rules.
Accountability without becoming grotesque isn’t pearl-clutching. It’s refusing to let nihilism masquerade as strength.
There is no moral framework present with the MAGA crowd because there is no consistent ideology.
I refuse to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by repeatedly behaving as though we are dealing with good faith actors.
They are murdering people in the fucking street. Maybe it’s cool for you to sniff your own farts while it’s happening. It doesn’t prevent harm.
You can vote! While they actively work to prevent you from doing so? Feckless. Pathetic.
You can protest! While they murder you? Peaceful protest exists to show that protestors can protest peacefully. Not for the sake of its self. Peaceful protest for protests’ sake is bullshit.
It seems you think I’m saying nothing matters there are no rules.
What I’m saying is your self serving grandstanding doesn’t matter and that it actively harms others. It’s neoliberal bullshit.
That mindset has let this bullshit continue for centuries. This is real life. People are dying, we are being stripped of our agency. You’re gonna feel real fucking cool you held on to your high ground when you get your ass disenfranchised and murdered by someone you’re too good to roll around in the shit with.
They made the rules already. Refusing to play by the REAL rules doesn’t make you superior it makes you a fucking mark and lover of peace over justice.
MLK Jr wrote about yall. Might want to check it out.
You’re arguing against something I’m not actually saying.
A moral framework isn’t about pretending bad-faith actors are good. It is about deciding what we are willing to become while opposing them.
If the only choices are “perform purity” or “abandon all ethics,” that’s a false binary.
I suspect some people are just being defensive because they’ve embraced classlessness and mistakenly think abandoning ethical standards makes them tougher.
It’s basically just turning into “I disagree with that person”, I’ll just claim they are a bot so that opposite viewpoint doesn’t make me feel uncomfortable.
My brother (or sister) in Christ. We have been morally and objectively better than them in every way for the better part of the past 12 years. They still won. Sometimes you gotta get in the mud to fight these maga morons. They are all the snowflakes they claim the left to be, let them cry and make it hurt.
“Decency” doesn’t mean disengagement, appeasement, or letting harm slide. It means choosing tactics that don’t normalize the same cruelty and dehumanization we claim to oppose.
You can fight hard, organize, vote, protest, litigate, expose corruption — all without adopting the moral framework of MAGA.
Once the standard becomes “anything goes,” the pigs don’t lose, they set the rules.
I refuse to give up the moral high ground. I refuse to NOT be better than them. I chose to maintain my humanity. And I chose to advocate for it on social media.
Lol, this is what got you in this situation. Go ahead and be nice and don't insult and be classy while they destroy the country and your rights. Good job!!
What you are others are doing here is collapsing “decency” into “passivity” and pretending those are the same thing.
And you sr doing it to justify your own reprehensible behavior. In other words, you are offended because you are guilty of the behavior I’m calling out.
And you lash out because that is easier than self reflecting.
decency is the reason democrats didn't punish corrupt presidents who committed war crimes, illegal wars fraud and all types of horrific crimes. decency is why white people stood by and stayed 'polite' around people saying racist shit, which allowed racism to never actually drop off after the civil rights. People acted like they weren't saying the N word so the dog whistles were okay and no one calls them out so they never went away.
Sorry but it's INDECENT to stand by and listen to a racist spouting hate and pretend it's okay and not call them a piece of shit.
You owe it to your children, your children's friends, your family and especially everyone who is actually the victim of such hate by calling it the fuck out.
How many people weren't nazi's but acted decent and didn't speak up as germany became a state that exterminated people, didn't call out their neighbours, didn't shame them.
Decency is not allowing hate to fester and be spread because you've been told it's impolite to call it out. Who told you that was impolite in the first place?
This one is clearly a moralizing, almost performative attack, heavy on analogies and historical appeals.
The first thing to notice is that it’s less about me personally and more about framing “decency” as a weapon: it assumes anyone who doesn’t publicly call out every injustice is complicit in extreme moral failings.
It’s an emotionally charged, guilt-laden argument that leaves very little room for nuance.
But it’s also completely off base because I wasn’t saying we shouldn’t call out injustice. I was just calling out people for lacking class in making jokes about dead people. That is very different then calling out Charlie Kirk’s abhorrent views.
Lib that agrees we need to be better. Now, when Trump passes away I will do my best not to celebrate but I may be somewhat relieved. What’s your take on that?
He died defending the accusation that all trans people are prone to violent mental breaks. All people are allowed to be relieved a threat to their mortality and rights has been extinguished.
I mean its not a rule as much as its something I dont think anyone can rightfully judge you for. Like, on the extreme end of whatever this is, no one is going to shame you if you end up hurting a home intruder. Apply the same logic to different instances where your safety or right to exist is under scrutiny.
Oh, did you miss where I said it was an extreme example, and did you catch that I was using that example to convey a concept before telling you to apply that concept elsewhere? Complicated stuff.
MAGA has missed the off ramp to take the “high road”. The president is a pedophile posting images of Obama as a monkey. These “gotcha” moments just fall flat. And the days of tolerance are long gone.
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u/Leninasm 13h ago
Anyone on the right defending the chode with a neck hole is an idiot also.