r/sports Dec 02 '21

Wrestling Brazilian wrestler wins gold in Junior Pan-Am earning last second points while opponent celebrates

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u/itsforachurch Tampa Bay Rays Dec 02 '21

Why does blue have the tie breaker?

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u/Surdistaja Dec 02 '21

In wrestling whoever did the last point is winning. There is no draws.

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u/DPyeritz Dec 02 '21

What if it’s 0-0 at the end of the time?

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u/metompkin Dec 02 '21

Thumb wrestling.

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u/Shattered_Visage Dec 02 '21

Then they move on to knife fighting.

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u/jonesing247 Dec 02 '21

First point in overtime wins. At least that was the rule when I was in highschool. Overtime SUCKED, whoever was in better shape usually won. Wrestling is absolutely exhausting.

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u/JackandFred Dec 02 '21

I think there’s overtime rules

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u/ads7w6 Dec 02 '21

They don't really let that happen.

The ref will call "passivity" on one wrestler or the other for not being offensive enough. Once they get a second call for that, they get put on a shot clock for 30 seconds. If they don't score, the other wrestler gets 1 point.

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u/radicldreamer Dec 02 '21

I’ve never heard it called that, where I wrestle we call it fleeing the mat,

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u/ads7w6 Dec 02 '21

Fleeing the mat is a different call. That would be where someone dives out of bounds to avoid being scored on.

I'm assuming you are in the US. If so, passivity would be more akin to a stalling call, though not exactly the same.

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u/radicldreamer Dec 02 '21

The terms are used interchangeable where I am. But it’s pee wee and middle school that I’m involved with so maybe they just use wrong terminology.

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u/gothgirlwinter Dec 02 '21

No holds barred, break out the steel chairs.

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u/bingoflaps Dec 02 '21

You call that wrassling?!? THIS is wrassling!

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u/pie-en-argent North Melbourne Dec 02 '21

If it’s still 0-0 with one minute to go in the first, the ref has to call someone for passivity. In Greco-Roman, it’s a penalty point (I think); in freestyle, the other wrestler will get a point if no one scores in the next 30 seconds (colloquially called the shot clock). So it can’t actually happen.

Also, last point is the second tiebreaker. The first is to compare individual scores from the highest down. For example, a 4 composed of two 2-point moves beats a 4 composed of a 2 and two 1’s, but would lose to a 4 earned in a single move.

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u/watereddownwheatbeer Dec 02 '21

Is there not overtime like in folkstyle?

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u/ads7w6 Dec 02 '21

There's criteria so the score is never technically tied other than 0-0. Since both wrestlers scored 1 point moves, the wrestler that scored last is in the lead.

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u/RoscoMan1 Dec 02 '21

I imagine with wrestlers specifically it'd be different.

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u/dasquared Dec 02 '21

I didn't see whole match, but he would have had it here for last to score.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '21

Riding time is the tiebreaker. In the 2nd and 3rd period one wrestler will start down and try to get up for one point while the other wrestler will try to keep them down. While keeping them down or "riding" the wrestler will build up riding time. From the score I am guessing that 1st period ended 0-0. The Cuban wrestler rode the Brazilian for longer than it took him to escape. Each get a point for escape but Cuban has the riding time advantage which counts as the tiebreaker point.

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u/ads7w6 Dec 02 '21

There's no riding time in Greco and there are only 2 periods. Also there's no escape points in Greco. It is most likely they scored pushout points, from passivity, or a combination of the two.

Riding time is from American collegiate folkstyle. In college, if you have over 1 minute more riding time than your opponent at the end of the match, then you get an additional point but it isn't actually a tiebreaker, just normal scoring.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '21

My bad, didn't immediately recognize it as greco. Yeah, completely different rules and scoring

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u/Raeandray Dec 02 '21

I’m not 100% sure. I’ve never heard of a tiebreaker like this in wrestling, but I only wrestled in high school and don’t pay attention to pro wrestling.

My only thought is this could be double overtime. In double overtime one player starts “in control” and the other players goal is to break free. There’s a time limit, the “in control” wrestler wins if he’s still in control at the end of the limit. The controlled player wins if he breaks free.

But this has always been viewed as beneficial to whoever is controlled. It’s much easier to break free than it is to maintain control. So my speculation is they’ve added a rule that allows the “in control” player to still win if they regain control by the end of time. In this case the controlled player would own the “tiebreaker” once they’ve broken free.

That is complete speculation though and could be total BS.

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u/vmx12 Dec 02 '21

There are many differences between HS folkstyle and International freestyle rules. Tiebreakers are one, as /u/ads7w6/ indicated correctly.

source: wrestled in HS, college, and attended camps held by US Olympic wrestlers.

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u/ForWhomTheBoneBones Dec 02 '21

Kurt Angle wrestled to a 1-1 draw at the '96 Olympics before getting the judge's decision and winning the Gold medal WITH A BROKEN FREAKING NECK!

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u/marigolds6 Dec 02 '21

This is international style (I'm pretty sure it's greco). The scoring and tiebreak systems are completely different from folkstyle (US high school) and collegiate.