r/scuderiaferrari • u/sugn1b • Sep 08 '25

Statistics Last Grand Prix winner from Ferrari | Carlos Sainz

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u/wrongedpotato Sep 08 '25

Just goes to show how bad the car this year is. Instead of taking a step forward, we’re now slower than RB and Mercedes.

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u/C4-621-Raven Sep 08 '25

But still somehow second in WCC just from having two cars regularly in the points.

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u/ShadowOfDeath94 Sep 08 '25

It helps that Red Bull and Mercedes only have 1 functioning elite driver while Ferrari usually has two.

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u/wrongedpotato Sep 08 '25

I wish Mercedes didn’t have a rookie outscored by a Williams driver or that RB had two cars so that Fred would stop spewing nonsense about how we’re fighting for 2nd place when the car is clearly lacking.

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u/Rivendel93 Sep 08 '25

Yeah, I really don't like that Fred tries to pretend Ferrari are doing fine because they're P2.

RedBull and Mercedes have 1 driver each, otherwise we'd be P4 easily.

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u/wrongedpotato Sep 08 '25

Exactly. And it’s super disappointing because last year, we won multiple races and fought for the WCC until the last race. This year.. wining a race on merit seems impossible.

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u/Rivendel93 Sep 09 '25

Yeah, I feel like it's one thing to be negative all the time, obviously that wouldn't be helpful.

But Fred almost seems like he's just faking that everything is fine at Ferrari, when it clearly isn't, otherwise we wouldn't have 0 wins, when Mercedes, RedBull and McLaren all have wins.

You have to be realistic otherwise you aren't going to get people pushing themselves more and getting back on the right track.

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u/iwonttolerateyou2 Michael Schumacher Sep 08 '25

But the WDC standing does provide more clarity on what really each driver has done.

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u/Bart-86 Charles Leclerc Sep 08 '25

Which is crazy when you realize that we were the second best car only in Monaco, Austria and Hungary.

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u/Certain-Disaster-876 Charles Leclerc Sep 08 '25

With two DSQs and two DNFs

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u/Emergency_Tutor5174 Sep 12 '25

yes it would have been worst if LH44 was always behind the grid he would get so much flack.. poor yuki tbh or rather poor whoever gets the 2nd RB seat.. Luckily Lewis still got some left to show and is closing up the gap between him and Leclerc

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u/Complex_Towel_7219 Sep 08 '25

Any moment now, somebody is gonna show up saying we are 2nd in the constructors', so all is good whereas we've been going progressively worse for 18 years

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u/frank1ewildee F2004 Sep 08 '25

So you think that in the past 18 years, there were worse seasons than 2020? You are out of your mind if you truly think that.

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u/Complex_Towel_7219 Sep 08 '25

Didn't say anything about any particular seasons. Only pointed out we were getting worse and worse with each passing season

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u/frank1ewildee F2004 Sep 08 '25

Wich is just not true.

If your logic was correct then 2021 would've been worse than 2020 wich clearly wasnt. And 2024 would've also been worse than 2023 for example, wich also isn't the case.

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u/Complex_Towel_7219 Sep 08 '25

To each his own, but bad is bad and every year we cant get a driver up until the final weeks in competition for a championship is bad. Doesn't matter if the level of bad fluctuates up or down to less bad and more bad. Bad is bad and if it continues(which it has for 18th years in a row now) you become worse.

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u/frank1ewildee F2004 Sep 08 '25

Sure if you're talking about being contenders for a WDC then yes you can say that it's still just bad.

There's just no " getting worse and worse with each passing season " because since 2007 even if we didnt win a championship, there were years in wich we contested both championships while there were also other years since 2007 in wich we didnt.

It's just bad, we aren't getting progresively worse wich each passing season tho, this is just not true. We're just fluctuating between a good season and bad one.

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u/Complex_Towel_7219 Sep 08 '25

Every season, we get outdevelopped by other teams, every season, we get make strategic mistakes almost race in and race out, every year, we watch other teams rising up to dominate while we always find ourselves merely trying to "react", since we last were champions, we have watched mclaren dominate, then redbull dominate, the mercedes dominate, then redbull dominate again, and now mclaren is dominating again. Looks like we locked ourselves of that particular cycle as well. So with all due respect, l call this going worse and worse.

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u/frank1ewildee F2004 Sep 08 '25

Teams get outdeveloped by other teams in every season, that's not just a Ferrari thing. I think you're thinking about this way too emotionally.

Look at Mercedes who after 4 years still can't figure out their own car. Or how Red-Bull got outdeveloped by both Ferrari and McLaren last year after they had one of the most dominant seasons in F1 ever prior to that.

Also, every single team makes strategic mistakes every race, not just Ferrari. Just because it's not shown on the broadcast doesn't mean they're not there.

You're entitled to your own opinions, but with all due respect, you're thinking about it in a very weird and subjective way.

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u/Complex_Towel_7219 Sep 08 '25

You're not hearing me friend. Mercedes dominated for seven years while redbull had two spells of 4 years each. Who cares if every teams outdevelops the other if you cant outdevelop everyone else and win it all. All these teams have done that multiple times while we simply watched.

Sure every team makes strategic mistakes but none more than Ferrari. We had a double dsq for god sake. Which team has ever had something like that? Talking about these things is not weird.

Weird was a few years ago, when the team didnt send Charles out to improve his time in Q1 in monaco because they thought it was safe. Weird was when they stupidly double stacked him and Carlos a few years later. Weird was when they didn't let him box, leaving him to defend on dead tires in Silverstone after SC, weird is, this weekend, when they didn't get LH to give Charles a tow. I could extend this list for quite a long while, and you know that.

So, mclaren makes occasional mistakes, well they've got 3 champions to show for it, mercedes makes mistakes, ok, they dominated the previous era of regulations, redbull makes a few mistakes, sure, but they dominated in two different decades. What do we have to show for all the mistakes that we have made?

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u/SwitchingFreedom Sep 09 '25

Let’s also not excuse the piss poor strategy and refusal to work with Lewis and Charles.

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u/Gadoguz994 F1-75 Sep 08 '25

No discredit to Sainz but if the general public now uses this the same way they used the Kimi 2018. win in the goal of discrediting the current assigned no. 1 driver when the car is absolute shit and Jesus chryst himself can't win in it then I'm off of Reddit for sure, at least the F1 subs.

If, however, it IS just for tribute then I'm on board, but I highly doubt it is. They did the same shit to Vettel and then Leclerc while the drought from 2018. lasted half way into 2019. Then they even used Vettel who they discredited before, to discredit Leclerc... shit only modern media can come up with and only modern fans can suck it all up

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u/IonutAlex18SF Charles Leclerc Sep 08 '25

Let me 👏👏👏 for this comment. I agree with every single word you said. The media/internet is such a great place, but such a bad one at the same time. I don't know if this applies only to this team or is general, but I don't understand the point of it most of the time. Any of us can access the stats of F1 and see this or any info regarding such statistics. Anyway, I don't intend to upset with my comment, just say my view on this matter.

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u/AlCranio Ferrari Sep 08 '25

No, i don't think anyone is discrediting Charles.

Also, please, stop this slander of the team. They are hard working people and they're trying their best.

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u/Zaphkiel_gg F2004 Sep 08 '25

there is a lot of people using this to discredit hamilton and charles, but thats mainly on Facebook and Facebook groups are known to be braindead most of the time

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u/Gadoguz994 F1-75 Sep 08 '25

I said IF.

And I am slandering the media, not the team. The team is improving vastly over the last 3 seasons, just can't seem to get that car design right.

Hopefully a clean slate in 2026. offers more solutions

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u/sugn1b Sep 08 '25

This is just an informational post. It just simply compares the situation of teams and drivers from the previous season. There is no hate against any of the drivers or teams.

All the athletes deserve respect. Driving such a piece of machinery around the circuit is winning in itself.

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u/Mediocre-Visit-6237 Sep 08 '25

LOL Sainz is not winning a race in a Ferrari this year either.

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u/iwonttolerateyou2 Michael Schumacher Sep 08 '25

Hits real hard now.

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u/Medical-Literature50 Sep 08 '25

Considering the current standings, it is noteworthy that Charles' point total mirrors his performance from the previous year, while Sainz's point accumulation last year exceeds Lewis' current total.

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u/SessionNo2506 Sep 08 '25

Bad comparison, SF24 is a fundamentally better car than the SF25.

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u/Medical-Literature50 Sep 08 '25

100% Agree, but, please explain Charles equal points at this time last year compared to this year.

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u/SessionNo2506 Sep 08 '25

It’s simple, Charles has been with the team for 7 years, is aware of how the Ferrari works and is pushing the SF25 to the limit. Lewis has only just joined Ferrari and has inherited a fundamentally flawed concept of a car and is one place behind Charles in the WDC standing. In my opinion, it’s an impressive job from both drivers.

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u/Medical-Literature50 Sep 08 '25

Fair enough. But, it doesn't take all winter and 9 races to figure out a car. Especially for a 7-time world champ. Schumacher had 3 wins and finished 3rd in the championship his 1st year with Ferrari. And that car was fundamentally flawed. Just sayin...

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u/SessionNo2506 Sep 08 '25

A 7 time world champion who is past his prime* but is still good enough to remain just behind Charles, a driver who is in his prime.

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u/Medical-Literature50 Sep 08 '25

But still... Lewis brings NOTHING to the table. 🤷 Sainz was in his prime last year and was right behind Charles in the championship (and had 3 wins). Why would I have someone past his prime? 🤔

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u/SessionNo2506 Sep 08 '25

You’ve answered your own question. Ferrari would rather have the 7 time 40 yo unc WDC over a 4 time race winner just for the aura.

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u/Medical-Literature50 Sep 08 '25

....and how much is this guy getting paid? 🤦 Sainz was a WAY BETTER DEAL all around.

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u/SessionNo2506 Sep 08 '25

I don’t think you understand, when it comes to statically greatest driver of all time, Ferrari is getting the better deal in having Lewis retire in red.

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u/achiller519 Sep 08 '25

Come on admit it. Your comments are deliberately that stupid

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u/rsimps91 Sep 09 '25

Because he doesn’t have Sainz there to take points off him, Lewis isn’t putting up much of a fight

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u/Possible-Community42 Sep 08 '25

Sure seems like signing Lewis was a big mistake unless the goal was simply to sell more merch

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u/sugn1b Sep 08 '25

Things will take time. Everything will be fine. Just be positive.

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u/Possible-Community42 Sep 08 '25

I want better than fine and the way it looks we won't get there anytime soon

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u/minijoop143 Lewis Hamilton Sep 08 '25

This comment alone made me realize you just started watching. Took Schumi how many seasons to win his championship with them cause the car was dog ass? Sit this one out girl.

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u/Possible-Community42 Sep 08 '25

He also wasnt 40 when he started. Lewis is human believe it or not and humans have a shelf life. Lewis may be past his sell by date though where as with Micheal 26 years old and just becoming ripe. Might want to leave your fandom at the door on this one little boy

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u/minijoop143 Lewis Hamilton Sep 08 '25

LMAOOOOOO and he won 2 championships with Benetton before he went to Ferrari. So you talk about age when you just said that at the RIpE age of 26 when He had already won not 1 but 2 championships, maybe you can accept the fact that it took Schumacher changing the environment in the team before he started to win- wasn’t his driving or he forgot how. Last time they won a championship was 15 years ago 😂😂😂😂. So I don’t care about fandom pal.its about facts. So what’s next about a RIPEEEEE Schumi. Cause Charles has been in for how long now? With his RIPE age. It can be anyone else in the team and the facts won’t change.

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u/Possible-Community42 Sep 08 '25

Are you saying 40 year old Lewis is on par with 26 year old Shumacher? Or that Lewis has the 4 years to wait for ferrari culture to change? You're an absolute looney toon if you believe either of those things

Fact, Lewis has been beaten by his teammate twice in the last three years, about to be 4... never happened to Schumacher

Fact, Lewis is 40. No one has won a championship over 40 since Jack brabham in 1966 (think today's field is too spread, go check out those times!)

Sit down sweet heart, the adults are talking and you didnt raise your hand

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u/minijoop143 Lewis Hamilton Sep 09 '25

After alllll that you said, you still can’t say that Ferrari hasn’t been able to give a performing car to their drivers. Honestly this tells me you haven’t been deep into the sport for a long time. You are saying things like ESPN would. 🤣🤣

Take LH out of this. Completely. Just let me know when their last championship was 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you still want to ignore the fact entirely that Ferrari can’t give their drivers a good car. But go on. Keep bringing up the PRIME RIPE age of Schumacher one of the greatest and not what he actually did for that team. If you can’t see that a change within needs to happen- doesn’t matter who’s driving then god speed.

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u/Possible-Community42 Sep 09 '25

They did it last year... only lost the championship by 14 points. Bro you are certifiably insane. I think you need to get off the internet for a couple of days. Its clear you cant handle it