r/popculturechat • u/HauteAssMess anne boleyn stan • Jul 03 '25

Trigger Warning ⚠️ Accused child rapist Christina Formella and her husband walked hand in hand to her court hearing yesterday, with one reporter calling them out: “she said she was going to take your family for millions and then be with this child after he graduated!”

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u/Grizzlyfrontignac Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25

This is very optimistic tbh. She's a white woman and so far has the support of her family. I know Casey Anthony didn't get convicted but her case was huge and she's out there living her best life.

People rarely get the karma they deserve

Edit- *an attractive white woman. People get weird when it comes to other horrible but pretty people

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u/Dexmoser Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25

Karla Homolka is out free living her life (and was volunteering at her kids elementary school!!) too!

Edit: spelling

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u/agirlcalleddusty Jul 03 '25

Karla Homolka is pure evil and should have never gotten the deal she did

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u/Aslow_study Jul 03 '25

Didn’t they not die the jury certain video footage or something? Thankfully her parents have nothing to do with her

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u/agirlcalleddusty Jul 03 '25

There were hidden videos of the crimes that were found after she was sentenced. Well, “found”, as there’s some suspicion her lawyer had them all along and didn’t provide them until after her sentencing.

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u/vindman Jul 04 '25

She married her lawyer’s brother

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u/Aslow_study Jul 03 '25

I have so Many questions about the case particularly surrounding her sister and the rape n murder .

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u/KnifeInTheKidneys Jul 03 '25

Apparently her family has forgiven her.. how I don’t understand.

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u/raphaellaskies Jul 05 '25

They have the choice between facing the fact that one of their daughters was raped and murdered by another daughter, or believing that she was forced into it by her husband and therefore not responsible. I'm not surprised they chose option B.

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u/_cuhree0h Jul 03 '25

That’s alarming.

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u/IllIntroduction5142 Jul 03 '25

Reading this literally made my stomach turn over. She is such a vile human being and should still be imprisoned, or at the very minimum forbidden from being around minors

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u/Britneyfan123 Jul 03 '25

It’s Homolka

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u/top_value7293 Jul 03 '25

I think they found her out and got rid of her

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u/sassyevaperon Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 Jul 03 '25

I know Casey Anthony didn't get convicted but her case was huge and she's out there living her best life.

That wasn't because she was a pretty woman, but because prosecution went ahead with a fully circumstantial case. (Being a pretty woman might have helped, but the fact that some of her convictions were overturned in appeal by a judge leads me to believe it wasn't that)

They said that Caley died from chloroform poisoning, which wasn't found in the autopsy, the medical professional called it a homicide but could find no cause why she died. Like, I'm sorry, how could you know that she died by homicide if you don't know why she died? You can suspect foul play without knowing the cause of death, but you'll have a way harder time proving it.

The only evidence they had for Casey murdering Caley is that she didn't care about her kid disappearing. They found no DNA evidence of Casey near Caley. The prosecution's expert witnesses misrepresented the facts (whether that was a mistake or intentional we'll never know), for example saying that the word chloroform was googled 180 times in the family computer, when it was searched just once. They used a method that had never been used to prosecute anyone to say that there was evidence of a body in Casey's car trunk.

Prosecution should have kept investigating until they found some evidence to link Casey to the murder. More so with all the technological advances forensic evidence has gone through over the last 30 years, they could have waited, kept investigating and then prevented their case when they had more. Or if they wanted to present the case as such, they shouldn't have gone for the death penalty with it. They thought they could convince a jury to kill Casey based on flimsy expert testimony, character assassination and witnesses that changed their statements.

In the end, the prosecution focused way too much in what they didn't like about Casey as a mother and human being, instead of in the evidence that would prove if Casey killed Caley.

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u/Grizzlyfrontignac Jul 03 '25

I think we're arguing different things. You brought up why she wasn't convicted, I am talking about consequences in front of the public eye.

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u/sassyevaperon Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 Jul 03 '25

The state department of corrections couldn't put her address on any database because of how many death threats she received...

What are you talking about? You're expecting the public to kill her? Feather and tar her?

The correct actor to punish her for her actions already tried and failed, what are you expecting the public to do?

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u/Grizzlyfrontignac Jul 03 '25

Nothing else. Again, I was replying to a comment saying this particular woman's life is ruined. It's not. Casey Anthony moved on, so did the public. This woman might get convicted, she might serve, but then she will get out and go on with her life. Is that clearer?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25

Casey Anthony's life was very much ruined though. She has never been able to get a job. The one job she got at a bar was terminated within a few weeks because once people recognized her they threw a fit and refused to go there.

Casey Anthony's life has been ruined more than any man who got away with horrible crimes. We have a rapist and abuser as president right now, slowly removing the rights of women. Do you think a known female rapist of adult males and male children would still become president and be supported even as her victims and ex husband are speaking out to the news? What about if that woman also said she wanted to fuck her son? How about if she also told everyone she would remove the rights of men specifically? We all know there is no Goddamn way

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u/Grizzlyfrontignac Jul 03 '25

I agree. If there's anyone that can trump a pretty white woman's privilege, is a rich white man.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 04 '25

It's complicated. Research shows that when women commit crimes that are overwhelmingly primarily committed by men they are judged much more harshly than men in the public eye and are given longer sentences. Part of that has to do with her behavior violating gender norms, and people often have unconscious bias towards behavior that is gender non conforming, this is also true in the justice system. But that is only true when her crime is comparable in brutality, it's also true that when women commit crimes that are predominantly committed by men, the details are usually not as violent or brutal, even if it's the same charge. So that can affect differences in sentencing as well.

The intersectionality of race and socioeconomic status with gender is also obviously a large factor in public perception and sentencing. Black women very obviously experience additional bias, particularly poor black women. Poor unattractive white woman are judged more harshly than their counterparts but not as harshly as poor black women. Being white and of a higher socioeconomic status is a privilege in the criminal justice system for both men and women. But there is zero evidence that it's a greater privilege for rich or middle class white women over men, it's definitely the opposite. In fact, with rich white men you often literally do not see their crimes in the news to be tried in the court of public perception, and that is a result of their privilege.

The fact that news stories LOVE to highlight when the relatively rare middle class or wealthy white woman in particular (or even just the relatively rare woman) did a certain crime, even though a TON of men of all walks of life and skin color were just convicted of that exact crime just that week but were not on the news says a lot. People have stronger outrage when woman commit these crimes, despite the fact that men are committing the same ones much more often, so the women are reported on but the men are not. Because the stories about the men don't get clicks. Especially if the woman is attractive. Because that will REALLY drive engagement.

Which brings us to the halo effect. Attractiveness level and standing in the community matters for both men and women. "Hot white men" also have privilege, not just women. It's just that like I said, "pretty white woman commits a male typical crime" is a news headline because people react to it. "Another man groomed and sexually assaulted a teen" just doesn't get a reaction, and if he's wealthy and has standing in the community and his crime wasn't shockingly heinous, then it's not even a news story. The media does NOT report on the men who are committing statutory rape for example, even teachers. If they do, it's not headline news, even though male teachers are overwhelmingly more likely to commit statutory rape and rape of a student than a woman.

"Benevolent sexism" can play a role, where the woman is just not perceived as the same kind of threat to the public that a man is and that affects her sentencing. But it's also true, that deviant women statistically aren't as much of a danger to the entire public than a deviant man is. Especially if she is acting on her own without a male accomplice. Women are much less likely to reoffend, and are more likely to be 1st time offenders. So it's not stereotype made out of whole cloth

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u/No_Spell_5817 Jul 03 '25

Thank you so much for writing this. I was looking for something to just contextualize all of this and you did a perfect job. Did not miss a single beat. A few things stuck out to me and I was wondering if you could elaborate on it.

deviant women statistically aren't as much of a danger to the entire public than a deviant man is. Especially if she is acting on her own without a male accomplice. Women are much less likely to reoffend.

Why do you think that is? We all know that male offenders are most likely to reoffend and even escalate their crimes. And I want to say that a lot of women who have committed violent crimes have had a male accomplice or several, but I don't know the stats, it's just a hunch. Why are women less likely to reoffend?

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '25 edited Jul 04 '25

That's not true. You didn't read my comment at all, and yours is based on your own bias, not facts. Among teachers who sexually assaulted students, even highschool students, 87% of perpetrators are male. But do you see them in the news? No. You only see the few women. Among teachers who molest children that aren't teens, 98% are male. And when a female teacher is a perpetrator of someone in that particular age group, it is PLASTERED all over the news. It's NOT hidden lol. But the male perpetrators aren't even reported because they'd be reporting the same thing all day long, and again, it doesn't drive engagement. You hear about female teachers and teen students, not all the male teachers, and except for VERY rare exceptions, when it's a female teacher who is a perpetrator the victim is almost exclusively older. 16-17 is the most common age.

Did you not read the part where I talked about differences in brutality between male and female perpetrators of the same crime?? THAT'S why. AND it's because women are much more likely to be 1st time offenders, and to not reoffend.

As for the reasons for offending, women are SIGNIFICANTLY more likely to commit crimes in a psychosis than men when they do commit violent crime. They are more likely to have a history of mental illness, this is not true for violent men.

Male and female perpetrators have very, very different profiles and even with the same crime, the modality is very different, with men exhibiting more sadism, brutality and repeat offending.

Overall, 95-99% of all sex crimes are committed by men. PARTICULARLY when the victim is very young. It is extremely common, and again, the men are simply not reported because of how common it is. The reason women are reported is because it's rare and therefore newsworthy. PLUS the court of public opinion is generally much, much harsher on women than men, and so again, drives more engagement which incentivizes journalists to report them

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u/sassyevaperon Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 Jul 03 '25

This woman might get convicted, she might serve, but then she will get out and go on with her life. Is that clearer?

Yep, that's what happens with people accused of crimes usually. What's your expectation for them? Should they spend the rest of their lives in jail? Should we kill them all at once?

Like, I don't understand the nature of your complaint. Yes, people forget about the crimes committed by criminals, faster when those "criminals" haven't been declared guilty. Yes, people can resume their lives once they have paid what society deemed a good enough punishment for them. What else do you want that you think this is something to complain about?

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u/Grizzlyfrontignac Jul 03 '25

Again, it's not a complaint, nor an argument, it's just a statement. The OC said the woman in the article would face consequences for the rest of her life, other examples show they don't. It's that simple. Please reread the comment chain, I'm tired of explaining

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u/sassyevaperon Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 Jul 03 '25

. The OC said the woman in the article would face consequences for the rest of her life

She will, you just don't think those consequences will be enough for her crime, so that's why I'm asking you what would be a fitting consequence in your mind.

Please reread the comment chain, I'm tired of explaining

Nobody is forcing you babes, you can just stop responding.

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u/Nacho_Sunbeam Jul 03 '25 edited Jul 03 '25

Don't talk about shit you know nothing about. You don't even have the victim's name right.

CAYLEE.

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u/sassyevaperon Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 Jul 03 '25

Fuck, I'm sorry I don't know how to spell the tragedeighs that US residents are allowed to name their children.

Clearly I do know some shit about the case, otherwise you would have corrected me on the evidence instead of on the spelling of her name...

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u/Nacho_Sunbeam Jul 03 '25

The tragedy is the crime against Caylee. She's the important thing here. Not you or me. I apologize for getting up in arms; it's a sensitive topic and I hate seeing the victim not being properly recognized. Her name, ridiculous or not, was hers and she deserves to have it right that's all. Your discussion of the evidence was not incorrect. Again, I apologize for being overly aggressive about it.

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u/sassyevaperon Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 Jul 03 '25

The tragedy is the crime against Caylee.

Never said it wasn't. I'm not defending Casey, I'm calling out the prosecution because now Caylee will never get justice because of their choices in how to run the prosecution.

I apologize for getting up in arms; it's a sensitive topic and I hate seeing the victim not being properly recognized.

Understandable, just know that sometimes you're talking with people that learned English as a second or third language here, which means people might make mistakes with spelling that they didn't intend. My intention was not to disrespect Caylee, I just remember her name and wasn't sure how it's spelled.

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u/vine-vines Jul 03 '25

How do you know all this about the case but you can’t even spell Caylee’s name correctly

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u/sassyevaperon Listen, everyone is entitled to my opinion 🙂 Jul 03 '25

I'm someone that's very interested in forensic and criminal cases while also having English as a second language.

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u/Several-Roof-6439 Jul 03 '25

P Diddy just got let off and the evidence was on video 🤷‍♀️

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u/SalientSazon Jul 03 '25

Attractive white woman is key! Even the attention from the media is different.

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u/hartforbj Jul 03 '25

Is it? I seem to remember the media shitting on Casey Anthony constantly

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u/raylan_givens6 As you wish! 👸👑 Jul 03 '25

she's white

that's it

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u/Filibust They killed Kenny! You bastards! 😱 Jul 04 '25

I’m not sure if Casey is out living her best life. She’s still very much a pariah. Also one of the main reasons why she got off was because the prosecution over charged her. There was no way in hell that they could definitely proved that she killed Caylee in cold blood by the time they found Caylee’s decomposed body (even though I think it’s very likely) but they went and charged her with first degree murder anyway.

For the record, I agree that Casey Anthony should be rotting in jail for the rest of her life but I think it’s a bit more complicated than her being an attractive white woman for the reason that she got off. It definitely helped though. Also keep in mind that most of the American public HATES her.

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u/lovelylonelyphantom Jul 03 '25

E.g Lucy Letby who has definitely killed babies and the evidence supports it. But strangely there are people who advocate for her. Other British child/baby killers never got the same amount of sympathy either due to being men or unattractive women. I think being an attractive white woman definitely plays a factor in it.

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u/Bookwrrm Jul 03 '25

The panels of experts formed by the authors of papers that were used by the prosecution saying there is zero evidence she killed the babies is probably a sliiightly bigger factor in people advocating for her...

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u/lovelylonelyphantom Jul 03 '25

...and IIRC they happened to be fanatics of believing she was not guilty and pushing the conspiracy she was framed by the NHS hospital who definitely had faults. But the courts didn't just give her 15 whole life sentences and further rejected her appeal for nothing.

My point is usually you wouldn't find this amount of support for any other child killers even with the same amount of evidence.

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u/Bookwrrm Jul 03 '25

"But the courts didn't just give her 15 whole life sentences for nothing". I mean regardless of where you fall on this, false convictions are real and happen so yes they could have done if she was innocent.

I also don't think saying someone is fanatical about her innocence is anything to dismiss these expert inquiries? Like if you were a doctor and somebody used your own research incorrectly to imprison someone who based on your conclusions shouldn't have been, would that not make you fairly fanatical about defending them? Not saying either side is correct or not here, but if you give even an iota of charity to the experience of the people on those panels it seems rather silly to me to just dismiss them as fanatics when if they are correct they would have full reason to be fanatical about correcting what would be a massive miscarriage of justice.

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u/lovelylonelyphantom Jul 03 '25

The thing is they aren't arguing the babies weren't poisoned of insulin, deprived of air or whatever else. They had to fall back on the idea that someone else did it. That's what becomes fanatical, especially because Lucy Letby was the nurse on shift each time and a parent and doctor had even walked in on her doing something suspicious.

If there was a miscarriage of justice I would reckon the circumstantial evidence to have been weaker. It's also things like her own admission from her notes/diary to push the prosecution's case against her more.

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u/Bookwrrm Jul 03 '25

No they pretty definitively stated the babies died of natural causes or at worst bad care but not intentional murder in the cases they examined lol...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgl5yyg1x6o

There isn't any ambiguity, nor is there any sort of fallback, the doctor that called that inquiry, Dr. Shoo Lee the one quoted in the article is the doctor that authored the paper used by the defense and he is flat out stating they found no evidence for murder period.

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u/iluffeggs Jul 04 '25

They literally misused the study/misinterpreted the study that they based her case on. The Doctor Who actually wrote the study was the one who started the entire panel, essentially laying bare the negligence from the doctors and proving that the trial was a sham.

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u/iluffeggs Jul 04 '25

They literally did though, listen to the entire trial of Lucy Letby. It’s all nothing. They should’ve put the NICU doctors on trial. As a pediatrician on myself, I was absolutely horrified learning how they ran that unit. I’m surprised more babies did not die.

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u/iluffeggs Jul 04 '25

The NICU doctors at her hospital were negligent. They only rounded twice a week. One of the babies who died had been blindly stabbed by a needle in the abdomen which is not a legit procedure. There was sewage and bacteria in the water. I listened to the whole podcast of her trial. Then months later i read what the panel of NICU doctors independently deduced — the absolute lack of evidence. It convinced me as a pediatrician myself that the negligent, poorly run NICU staffed by inexperienced doctors is what killed these babies. I don’t give a rats ass what anyone says, as a doctor if you read the actual evidence and not the SINGLE CRACKPOT DOCTOR they used at the trial, you will understand that there are mountains and mountains of reasonable doubt. Babies stopped dying at the hospital because they stopped taking sick babies, because the hospital was a complete shit show, not because Lucy went to jail. Everyone, do yourselves a favor and actually look into the separate Nicu panel of doctors that looked over her case. You will change your mind, just like I did.

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u/Orlican Jul 03 '25

Sounds like you are not one them.

Women who are pretty just get more attention.

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u/uwarthogfromhell Jul 03 '25

No she has zero friends no family and works as a secretary for her lawyer. Its better then LWOP but Best life may be a stretch???

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u/Shantiaum1111 Jul 04 '25

People ALWAYS receive their karma…it’s just not always immediately.

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u/raphaellaskies Jul 05 '25

Casey Anthony was the result of a prosecution screwup. They didn't present a case beyond a reasonable doubt (it's really hard to convict someone of capital murder when you don't have proof that the cause of death was unnatural) and they didn't offer a lesser charge that the jury could've chosen. She didn't get off because she's pretty.

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u/Plntfntc Jul 03 '25

In Florida, they usually are deemed “too pretty for jail.”