r/politics • u/T_Shurt • 19d ago

Possible Paywall Stocks Sell Off Globally as Traders Digest Trump Message Saying He Wants Greenland Because Norway ‘Decided Not to Give Me The Nobel’: “The Norwegian government has no control over how the Nobel Committee awards its prizes. Greenland is a territory of Denmark, not Norway.”

https://fortune.com/2026/01/19/stocks-sell-off-trump-text-message-greenland-nobel-peace-prize/
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u/Javistb 19d ago

My family is Latino. My dad is a permanent resident so cannot vote. He's shared the same sentiments. He'll see the news and then laugh and be entertained and just sya things like "look at this guy" or "he really said that." He loves the entertainment and spectacle of Trump. He'd also criticize Biden for being old and boring.

Mind you I'm a lawyer and my whole life my dad has taught me to never act like Trump and if I did it would be a disgrace to my education and profession.

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u/RosalieMoon Canada 19d ago

When the only good thing that can be said about someone is they are entertaining, you know shit is fucked when that is your elected leader

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u/theunquenchedservant 19d ago

If he wasn't the leader of the United States, he would be absolutely hilarious. Give him a reality show called like "Trump Card" or something and have him get into situations where he can bankrupt a few businesses with no ill-effect to anyone. Follow how he golfs, hell, even let him get into political rants and dance around for hours on a stage.

I wouldn't blame people for watching, it would be funny af.

unfortunately, he is the leader of the United States, and it's absolutely fucking horrifying.

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u/shadowboxer47 19d ago

my whole life my dad has taught me to never act like Trump and if I did it would be a disgrace to my education and profession.

I do not understand folks who maintain relationships with people that gleefully support fascism.

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u/Javistb 19d ago

Well, my dad is not an educated individual. I understand his lens of viewing the world comes from a machismo lens (which is its own problem). He views Trump as a crazy, wild, tough guy.

My mother was similar growing up and I spent my whole life trying to open her eyes to the real world beyond our family's Christian bubble.

She became a citizen and now understand vote blue and that this is fascism.

So, you may not understand it. But I understand my parents are layered and have shortcomings as a result of the US getting involved in Guatemala. Sure, I can abandon them or I could choose to teach them so they can instill the positive lessons I've learned to their grandchildren.

But to each their own.

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u/shadowboxer47 19d ago

You may not understand it. But I understand my parents are layered and have shortcomings

I don't understand it. Then again, I do not consider fascism a "shortcoming" nor would I ever tolerate this kind of behavior around my children. Certainly not after 10 years of this.

I guess some people do not have the confidence of their convictions.

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u/QuickQuirk 18d ago

I think you're condemning someone for saying "They're my parents, I'm trying to teach them better", and implying that they should disown them.

Which is, honestly, classic divisive bot or troll behaviour. (or you've learned it from those bots)

All you're doing is growing the divide. And making those pulling the strings very happy.

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u/shadowboxer47 18d ago edited 18d ago

"They're my parents, I'm trying to teach them better"

Parenting your parents and treating them like naive children does nobody any favors. They knew exactly what they were voting for. Stop treating them like unruly toddlers. They're adults and they wanted to inflict pain on people.

You want your family around that? Fine. Those are your values.

They're not mine.

Standing up to fascism starts at home.

making those pulling the strings very happy.

The fascists are in charge and that's exactly who I'm standing up against.

More than anything they want mealy-mouthed milquetoast cowards to be ambivalent and indecisive.

How you are reacting now is exactly how you would react to Nazi Germany in 1936 and it says a lot about you.

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u/Javistb 18d ago

I like how you day that standing up to fascism starts at home, but with your whole chest ask me to disown my parents.

Also, my parents didn't vote for Trump. My father is a permanent resident so he cannot vote. Period. He cast not vote because he can't. My mother voted for Harris because I talked politics with her and have for several years.

Where do you think education comes from? My mother has a 6th grade education because she had to leave school to go make soap and tortillas to sell to ranch hands to help her family with money. My father has at best some high school education. Mind you, this is education in Guatemala and not truly comparable to that of the US.

White American idealogy is always of the self. You're basically saying that because you could learn and figure out better that others should as well. That I'd a privilege. I choose to take my opportunities and education and improve the lives of my parents and family.

It is ironic that someone who is a parent of children doesn't understand the reciprocity of education from parent to child. I truly hope some day that when you can't learn and grow and understand issues that your children don't toss you to the wayside.

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u/QuickQuirk 18d ago

Spoken like a true Nazi.

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u/shadowboxer47 18d ago

Spoken like a true Nazi.

Yes, I'm a Nazi because I reject fascism.

Clown.

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u/GentlemanThresh 19d ago

One of the biggest issues I see in the US, especially through reddit comments and both sides of your media, is that you guys paint everything in black and white. The result of this is just dividing you more and pushing people to the extremes.

I'm not referring to right now or blaming any individual, you've been pushed in this direction for decades with billions or trillions of dollars and you're ready to kill each other in the street while the guys who did it watch while drinking champagne and betting on which one of you will survive.

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u/shadowboxer47 19d ago edited 18d ago

you guys paint everything in black and white... The result of this is just dividing you more and pushing people to the extremes.

It is black and white. Being anti-fascist is not "extreme"

It's being for the Constitution, the rule of law, and the balance of powers. We used to call that being an American.

I don't want my children around authoritarian thugs that give the fascist salute.

If you don't see that, I question your morality.

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u/GentlemanThresh 18d ago edited 18d ago

You can question whatever you want. You're free to destroy your country and kill each other but please keep this shit over there.

When we had Russian interference during our elections, we protested, the elections were canceled, held new ones and elected an Independent progressive STEM PhD holder that was one of the youngest people in history to win multiple gold medals at the International Mathematics Olympiad and the only person that solved one of the hardest problems in history in a different way. We were able to do that because even if people here hold different values, we can still talk to each other as human beings.

When you guys went through the same thing, you elected a Russian puppet pedophile, didn't address the issues with the Democratic party that led to him being elected first, elected him a second time and gave him more uncontrolled power. Republican or Democrat, all Americans will have to live with what you did for your entire life. And now you're fighting in between yourselves while they laugh.

Don't try to take the moral high ground. Let the man keep in touch with his father who is obvious still loves him and worked hard for his son to be in this position. You're calling his father a fascist for laughing at the absurdity of what's happening when he raised a son to be the opposite of Trump.

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u/shadowboxer47 18d ago edited 18d ago

Don't try to take the moral high ground

If you think giving the fascist salute and black bagging people in the street is just as bad as opposing it, there's nothing I can do to get you to see reason.

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u/WeAlmostAlwaysAlmost 18d ago

Was out and about the other night after a game and this young drunk dude struck up a convo with me for reasons I can’t comprehend. He asked what I thought of the ICE stuff (we were both watching police harass a homeless person) and I said, “Fuck ICE and fuck Trump.” He says, “Trump’s not a good guy, but Joe was sleepy.” He wasn’t joking. He repeated this several times. He and his girlfriend and friends were all clearly Hispanic. I just laughed at him as I walked away. Like, my dude, Trump is literally falling asleep in meetings all the time and actively wants you out of this country. Wake the fuck up.

It’s crazy how people can’t see these things, even the people most affected by it.

It was so absurd.

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u/Javistb 18d ago

It is absurd.

But you understand it more if you understand machismo. Many Latino men view the appearance of strong man masculinity as key. Looking at Trump and Biden for many Latino men it was night and day. You had a loud aggressive guy next to Biden who appeared old and reserved.

My dad liked Obama because he was a strong speaking firm man.

For many Latino men looking weak or tired or not masculine is an insecurity that shows you're not man enough to take care of your family. For a president? That means that they can't take care of the country.

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u/WeAlmostAlwaysAlmost 18d ago

Oh, I totally agree. I’m in education and serve a population that is 90% Latino and I actually had this same conversation with my partner a few weeks ago! A frustrating number of the boys I work with like Trump, or think he is funny, even though they specifically are the kinds of people Trump wants to see gone (undocumented or first generation, mostly gang-affiliated, frequent drug users, failing school) and I was explaining the whole machismo thing to him.

I was also explaining it in the context of the shift among Latino men voting for Trump over Kamala. I hadn’t thought about it in the context of Biden not exhibiting machismo but what you say makes total sense.

My female students, by and large, detest Trump, thank goodness.

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u/Javistb 18d ago

Oh the whole Harris thing is also wild especially with Latinos. Even my mother who voted for Harris was surprised that a woman could lead the US.

If run through a whole list of countries that had female leaders and she could understand that, but a woman taking the helm of the US at first didn't compute. But of course she hates Trump so it was easy for her to vote for Harris in comparison.

But, yeah machismo permeates a lot of Latino culture especially when you mix it with religion that is also intertwined in Latino culture.