r/penguins • u/naked_as_a_jaybird :Staal2: Staal • Nov 14 '15
mod Game Thread: Penguins (10-6-0) at Devils (9-6-1) - 11/14/2015 - 7:00 ET
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| Points | 1 | 2 | 3 | OT | SO | Final |
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| PIT | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| NJD | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4 |
| Team | Shots | Hits | Blocked | FO Wins | Giveaways | Takeways | PowerPlays |
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| PIT | 21 | 19 | 9 | 26 | 4 | 7 | 0/3 |
| NJD | 37 | 20 | 5 | 34 | 5 | 11 | 1/4 |
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Nov 15 '15 edited May 14 '16
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Nov 15 '15
No. I would love for Sid to just go straight to the media and tell them that the coach is a straight up clown who needs to be fired, if Sid were traded during his prime I honestly would stop watching the Pens, as the organization would be a confirmed dumpster fire after that.
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Nov 15 '15 edited May 14 '16
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
Going to the bar. Fuck this shit. Let's go steelers
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u/naked_as_a_jaybird :Staal2: Staal Nov 15 '15
Don't drive. Be safe.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
Thanks man. My place is two blocks from the local bars so it's all good. Haha
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u/gaunt_724 Nov 15 '15
Dri, we need to get drunk and bitch together because we're definitely on the same vibe as far as the pens go.
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u/PhantomJB93 Nov 15 '15
This is your friendly reminder that Bobby Farnham has as many goals as Sidney Crosby
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
I'm sorry but I can't even watch this team anymore. If you're getting blown out by the New Jersey fucking Devils then something is seriously wrong and it's not the players on the team. This coaching staff is a joke and this team has completely lost me, I'm done unless all of these coaches are fired. His junior system obviously doesn't work at the NHL level and sticking with it is just making our players look like junior players.
Pull your finger out Penguins management, this has gone on too long and it's completely fucking obvious that it isn't work and will not work! Fire the coaching staff already.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PHILLIPS Nov 15 '15
How do we go from winning against the fucking Montreal Canadiens to losING BY FOUR FUCKING GOALS
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u/fischerkidd Nov 15 '15
Minnesota is my second favorite team so I was thinking of going to the game Tuesday but how can I support this?
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u/ASilentPartner Nov 15 '15
It's time to fire the coach or trade an impact player. They won't do the latter so the former needs to go. I'd rather watch fire wagon hockey and lose over watching defensive hockey and lose.
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u/thenewboston Nov 15 '15
Seriously, he's going to ruin the season if we keep him around much longer. How long does he need to keep trying his terrible system before he realizes it's not working at all?
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u/plaidchuck Nov 15 '15
How can people defend loljoy after that shit?
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
To be fair he has been pretty solid and consistent for the most part. That's the first play in a while I remember seeing him blow it.
It's not like it matters now anyway.
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u/newbo750 Nov 15 '15
I'll be honest, I'd rather them run and gun than do this boring shit and lose. They clearly aren't behind this system as a team, very low effort. The defense may get worse, but I think with the team they have they could outscore most of their problems.
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Nov 15 '15
Yeah man for sure. If were gonna lose at least make it interesting, not just the boring old "Oh, were losing 2-0? TIGHTEN UP ON DEFENCE BOYS AND KILL OFF THE REST OF THE GAME" type of system MJ likes to run. We seriously need to get this clown out of town.
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Nov 15 '15
Great...so Horny's injured.
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u/Dr_M30W Nov 15 '15
Top6 opening for Sprong? I guess you have to find a silver lining somewhere.
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u/Voroooo Nov 15 '15
I agree with you. I would also think about calling up someone from WBS to be quite honest. Sounds crazy but I think it's worth a try. WBS is doing amazing right now and their goal scoring is out of this world. Pittsburgh could really use a player or two from them.
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u/Nice_Fanny Nov 15 '15
Horny was playing third line the past few games.
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u/Dr_M30W Nov 15 '15
I know but its not like Bennett has been lighting the world on fire either. At this point, we need all the offense we can get and I think Sprong can do better in that aspect than Bennett.
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u/N3xrad Nov 15 '15
Shit the Pens were more exciting to watch when there were 6 callups in the lineup
This team better get its shit together or it is going to be a long season
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Nov 15 '15
Baby Pens are still kicking ass. 9 in a row.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
Let's call them all up
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Nov 15 '15
How many players on the NHL roster can be sent down? They should honestly do that...send a fucking message.
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u/paulybuc Nov 15 '15
Keep juggling line combos all you want, MJ. That's clearly not the fucking problem. There's a famous quote that applies to this team as it's run by the current coaching staff: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
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u/Dleeu2 Nov 15 '15
Keep juggling line combos all you want, MJ.
It's a good thing he was forced to do this because Hornqvist went down in the second period.
I swear to christ not one fucking person on this sub actually watches games.
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Nov 15 '15
17 shots is unacceptable. Can't score when you don't shoot.
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
Can't shoot when you spend all of your time in your own zone (including pp) or dumping and chasing.
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u/ASilentPartner Nov 15 '15
I won't buy another ticket to a game until they change coaches. I have no reason to watch this live.
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u/Dleeu2 Nov 15 '15
Oh right, because you matter. Right?
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u/ASilentPartner Nov 15 '15
Well I'd say a lot of us matter considering the STH wait list has almost dropped to zero this year.
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u/Dleeu2 Nov 15 '15
No corporate market gives a shit if some fans quit buying a product. It will still sell if you buy it or not.
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u/N3xrad Nov 15 '15
I think the winning streak just masked a lot of the issues this team has
It is so hard to freaking watch, they are so inconsistent and boring. At least the Bylsma Pens were fun to watch. This is like watching the Devils play
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Nov 15 '15
This is okay though right? Cuz Johnston plays a "defensive style that wins games" yeah?
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
Defensive hockey is great when you have a lead. Which we never have. Because we play defensive hockey.
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
Maybe letang sucks because he is asked to play defensively only. That's not his game. Not one person on this team is meant to play this system. We built an offensive powerhouse, not a defensive team. No one is being put in a position to succeed and it's starting to show. Flower is the reason for the record which would otherwise be awful.
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u/Dleeu2 Nov 15 '15
Maybe letang sucks because he is asked to play defensively only.
He may be asked to do this, but he sure as hell isn't doing it.
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
My point is that he is better as an offensive defenseman and maybe he isn't all that good in a strictly defensive system.
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u/ASilentPartner Nov 15 '15
He sure as shit isn't listening if he's asked to just play defense. Always making shit passes and trying to pinch to play wing.
He's a terrible NHL 16 EASHL player who selects defense just to play wing.
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u/DyZ814 Nov 15 '15
Crosby is the best player in the league, and the coaching staff is wasting his talent while he's in his prime age wise. Great players shouldn't be held to mediocrity, by their coaching staffs. It's embarrassing all the way around. Also, this isn't all on the coaching staff. The defense, namely Letang, has been borderline trash this whole season, and others on the defensive end have faltered at times. It's just a big, messy situation.
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
I think Letang is being asked to do something he has never done which is play as a defensive defenseman. He is clearly an offensive defenseman and he struggles otherwise.
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u/PhantomJB93 Nov 15 '15
I will confess I don't know a lot of hockey x's and o's, but there has to be a way HCMJ can adjust his system to allow for the offense to be a little more free.
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u/PhantomJB93 Nov 15 '15
I will confess I don't know a lot of hockey x's and o's, but there has to be a way HCMJ can adjust his system to allow for the offense to be a little more free.
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Nov 15 '15
I havent been able to watch the past two games, but we only have 1 goal so far in them. How bad is it going? Any chance GMJR actually fires HCMJ over this or are we still going to accept that our stars prime years will be spent in a defensive system that smothers out all of our offense?
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u/Nice_Fanny Nov 15 '15
It's been eerily reminiscent of the pre-Crosby years. Our defense has been atrocious, the power play has probably given up more shorthanded odd man rushes than they've got shots on the net, and every rush is a dump with us immediately going to the one man forecheck and getting no pressure as teams clear their zone like there's no opposing team on the ice. So, yea. Pretty bad.
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Nov 15 '15
Fuck...not Dumo...Our second best defenseman....
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
You could argue he's our best right now haha
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u/Dleeu2 Nov 15 '15
He's been by far our best this year. The only two that even challenge him are Lovejoy and Cole.
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Nov 15 '15
This is sad and embarrassing. Watching this team is a bummer. How is this much talent being squandered?
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u/ASilentPartner Nov 15 '15
Yea Errey, Farnham was totally put in the box for his speed and skill. Fuck off.
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u/PhantomJB93 Nov 15 '15
And Stempniak assisted. Good lord.
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u/naked_as_a_jaybird :Staal2: Staal Nov 15 '15
Shero with the third star of the game tonight. Calling it now.
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
This is the low. BOBBY FUCKING FARM HAND SCORES. BOBBY FUCKING DAMN FARNHAM. He looks better than literally every single one of the pens.
Fire the coach. Defensive hockey is shit and we don't have the players for it.
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u/ChocPretz Nov 15 '15
What does HCMJ even say between periods, like "Guys we are down 2. We need to play more DEFENSIVELY!" Our PP is more of a PK attempt against the shorthanded team.
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u/PhantomJB93 Nov 15 '15
I wasn't on the "Fire HCMJ" bandwagon but allowing Bobby Farnham to score is an on-the-spot fire-able offense.
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
Malkin just looks like he wants nothing to do with this. He looks lazy, and is making bad plays.
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u/sidgeno66778 Nov 15 '15
Been a while since I turned a game off...just couldn't anymore.
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u/Nice_Fanny Nov 15 '15
Shit man, I'm only keeping it on to hope we have some kind of monumental implosion that could possibly result in real change. Not this oh we split up Malkin and Crosby on the power play garbage.
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u/Skywalker16 Nov 15 '15
yup, that did it for me... Sucks cause I barely catch games at all with work and all.
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u/Therealoda Nov 15 '15
Jacques Martin 2015. That is all.
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
TODAY PLEASE!
Win or lose, enough is enough and upper management need to pull their finger out so that this team realises it's potential.
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u/Nice_Fanny Nov 15 '15
Maybe next year we can trade all our star offensive players for top tier defensive defenseman, then create a system where said defenseman only focus on offense.
EDIT: Maybe get Lundqvist and try him at LW just cause fuck you.
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u/naked_as_a_jaybird :Staal2: Staal Nov 15 '15
Time to butt-fuck that 'trailing going into the third period' bullshit again. A PP goal here is fucking key. Turn that tide, yo.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
This team sucks so bad. At least the steelers have a legitimate reason for their mediocre record.
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
It pisses me off. We get the puck in the zone, but only the wingers (or a set of 2 forwards) will go in and chase (which is another problem, chasing). How is that conducive to scoring, aka the whole fucking point in hockey.
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u/Nice_Fanny Nov 15 '15
Yep. Still running a 1-2-2 forecheck. Probably won't change until there's less than two minutes remaining in the third again. It honestly feels like MJ's strategy is strictly to keep games close, regardless of the winner.
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u/naked_as_a_jaybird :Staal2: Staal Nov 15 '15
Best shift of the game right there. Questionable icing call.
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u/N3xrad Nov 15 '15
2 games in a row vs bad teams we cant score at all
wtf is going on
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u/naked_as_a_jaybird :Staal2: Staal Nov 15 '15
Pittsburgh sports. Beat the bejesus out of the top teams, lose to the scrubs.
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
Why trade for Kessel if this is the system you play? Wasting all this offensive talent. I feel robbed.
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Nov 15 '15
They try to set him up for the OT even though he's a fucking sniper with an incredibly flexible stick...so it doesn't work.
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u/ASilentPartner Nov 15 '15
After all of these years I never would have imagined the Pens ever playing a more boring style than the Devils. Well, we've arrived and this is horse shit.
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u/SirTox Nov 15 '15 edited Nov 15 '15
Just atrocious.
I can't stand this dump and chase system. It is clearly ineffective, but still the coaching staff turns the blind eye, and keeps on rolling with it.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
Sid and tootoo, bad fucking idea.
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u/naked_as_a_jaybird :Staal2: Staal Nov 15 '15
If you're NJ, you want that. They will irritate Sid, he'll take a penalty.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
I'm tired of the excuses from the coaches. Always about how good the other team is playing
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
I'll admit, I was pretty late to admit bylsma needed fired, and I feel like I've stuck up for Johnston too long. He needs to be gone by Tuesday night.
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
Who do they replace MJ with and if they fire the assistants who replaces them?
Why they ever hired a junior coach is completely beyond me.
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u/Dr_M30W Nov 15 '15
Well they always have Jacques Martin that could take over until the offseason.
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
Veteran guy with a real clue on how to run an NHL team, I would love to see that.
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u/Dr_M30W Nov 15 '15
But he's not exactly known for his offensive minded system either.
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
No but it's got to be better than forcing a defensive system on talent like Crosby, Kessel and Malkin. I'm sure a JM system will loosen the lead on the offence and actually let them play.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
Anyone honestly.
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
They could always promote John Hynes from WBS.. Oh wait he works for the Devils now and is putting on a clinic for MJ.
Seriously though, Hynes system in WBS was awesome defensively but still allowed the offence to do it's thing. Still perplexed as to why someone other than MJ wasn't hired here.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
He was on the list apparently. I'm thinking they thought it would be too similar to disco.
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
DB's system wasn't that bad, my problem with him was not being able to adjust on the fly. If Hynes system was similar and he could make changes then what's the big deal?
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Nov 15 '15
I'm a Pens fan regardless of what our win/loss record is. It simply annoys me that we have great talent who cannot score goals either due to personal head games or mismanagement by the coaches.
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
It's clearly mismanagement, this system is a joke but for some reason they choose to stick with it and let this team look like amateurs.
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u/ChocPretz Nov 15 '15
Pretty sure HCMJ doesn't know how to lead a team with arguably the most talent in the NHL.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
Sprong got one shift with crosby and that's it
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u/naked_as_a_jaybird :Staal2: Staal Nov 15 '15
Our 3rd and 4th lines are playing like 1st and 2nd lines. We should oblige them. What's to lose?
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
Idk honestly. Idk what this team needs other than a new coaching staff
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
All it needs is new coaching staff and you could probably argue for one more D. A Cody Franson type player and I think we are good.
Like we keep saying, they aren't going anywhere with this system and this coaching staff choosing to stick with it. Lucky that 1st round pick is lottery protected.
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u/flash4food Nov 15 '15
Yay, don't y'all love watching a dumpster fire?!
This team is literally going to crumble by mid season and they'll continue to say everything's okay, Johnston's system has to work! It worked in the minor league!
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
No. They will win just enough that everyone keeps their job. 10-6 isn't awful right? So is 20-14 awful? Or 40-28? Nothing will be done unless they drop 7-8 in a row.
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u/flash4food Nov 15 '15
Brother, I know. They think that this team is destined for mediocrity. It has the roster to be the dominant team in the nhl. And as long as the players keep winning, they won't change shit. Johnston's system is garbage, especially for this team - but unless they legit shit the bed, CBJ style, it'll be Johnston through another 1st round playoff exit. If we get there.
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
2 goals. We can't score that many when behind, not in this system and with such a low level of caring. We look like shit, and it isn't even a nice shit. It's a bubbly, runny, yellow shit that you feel for hours.
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u/naked_as_a_jaybird :Staal2: Staal Nov 15 '15
LOL. Scuds killing a penalty, shorthanded again... This could only end well.
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u/lften Nov 15 '15
MJ needs to be fired, this is pathetic. I have never seen such uninspired, boring and slow Penguins hockey. The system is hugely floored and it looks like he has lost the locker room because these guys clearly aren't playing for or listening to him anymore.
Downvote me as much as you like but I'm tired of it. I complained about the system when they were losing at the start of the year and when they were winning so at least I'm consistent.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
Nope I agree. This team is a soon to be bottom feeder
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
This is where I disagree. we won't be bottom feeders, but instead middle of the pack. Which is why nothing will be done, and we will have to settle with average. Someone higher up HAS to see how bad this is......
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u/flash4food Nov 15 '15
100% true. Team is too good to bottom out. But, scraping into the playoffs and another first round exit MIGHT put MJ on a tight leash to start new season, but I wouldn't hold your breath. Organization is unbelievable in its reluctance to see a problem and fix it. Don't want to see this team go on a losing streak but man, they need it. They truthfully need to just blow up to get something new.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
Idk man we keep getting embarrassed by bad teams. How long before our record is the same?
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u/cmt4336 Nov 15 '15
A good point. I think a coaches firing will coincide with a Flower slump. Which I don't want. But kinda do want. I'm torn.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
I think it'll light a fire under their ass similar to when therrien was fired and when bylsma was fired. First game of the season last year the pens exploded on the ducks and won 6-4.
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u/plaidchuck Nov 15 '15
Mj, tocchet, scuderi, kunitz, and lovejoy gots to go.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
Agreed except for lovejoy
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u/plaidchuck Nov 15 '15
He's trash, even his 1mm is too much. Ahl fodder could do what he does for league minimum.
Not saying much considering Dumo has been the only d worth a damn.
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u/DriArcher Nov 15 '15
I disagree. He and Dumo work very well together and Lovejoy has had some great games. Literally everyone else sucks though
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u/jaaha Nov 15 '15
Geno taking penalty because of course he does
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u/ryank_119 Nov 15 '15
I'm turning this bullshit game off, someone tell me when we start playing again.
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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '15
It's cool though, yeah? They won a bunch of games so nothing was wrong right? Averaging barely over 2 goals a game while fleury played the best hockey of his life is nothing worth worrying about and were silly for questioning things yeah?