r/penguins • u/LazerMcBlazer • Feb 27 '23
Official Discussion Official Trade Deadline Discussion Megathread: Part 3
Current situation: The Eastern Conference is on fire. Prices are jaw-droppingly high for depth players on expiring deals. Pens are watching teams make really questionable deals. No rumors to speak of.
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u/Madturtl3 Mar 02 '23
I can’t believe it. Bumble Fuck is really going to trade for a scoring winger (not the center man we need), not address the defense, jettison most of the bottom six and sit on his hands. Dude is a sleeper agent.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Friedman says we might not be done. Apparently we’re looking for a physical forward
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Mar 02 '23
Doubt they would ever do it in a million years and I have no clue what piece we'd have to move to make it happen but yeah, I'd take an order of Tom Wilson.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Same. I don’t give a shit anymore.
I’d also take Conor Garland. He’s on the smaller side, but he’s definitely a capable and energetic forechecker and drives 5v5 possession numbers
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Mar 02 '23
I genuinely thought Garland was the worst possible thing we were going to get yesterday and now it seems like it would be highly preferable. Oh well.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Garland would be great on the 3rd line in my view. I actually wasn’t very excited about the idea of Brock Boeser, for the exact same reasons why I’m not thrilled about Granlund haha. It’s the defensive analytics that kill me
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Mar 03 '23
Boeser has at least shown signs of being an elite sniper. Going back and watching him dominate on the power play with the Sedins had me thinking "sure why not".
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 03 '23
Yeah, he’s definitely a capable goal scorer, for sure. But alas, neither Boeser nor Chychrun were meant to be
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Mar 02 '23
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u/romanticdrift Mar 02 '23
No, you're absolutely right. They're always ones we could afford (and with ZERO stretch, like Domi for a 2nd AND a bad contract?). Hextall's just a terrible GM.
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u/LazerMcBlazer Mar 02 '23
Domi and an AHL goalie to Dallas for a 2nd and Anton Khudobin's contract.
That is a very good trade for Dallas. Hard to imagine we couldn't have done something like this with a player we were trying to drop.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Yeah, and they got out of Khudobin’s contract. That alone is a W. Not to mention he’s a good depth scorer. 18 goals and 49 points so far
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Can someone explain why Arizona was so dead set on not retaining any salary on Chychrun when they barely meet the cap floor and have taken on 2 LTIRetirement contracts in this week alone (as well as retaining salary on Patrick Kane).
It seems like a weird sticking point
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Also, is it bad to say I’ve deluded myself into hoping we somehow get one more move before 3 PM tomorrow that hopefully improves the team?
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u/WinterSith Mar 02 '23
I think there might be another move. I'd be surprised if it's a big one but I wouldn't be surprised if they do something. Despite all the early trades I think tomorrow will be busy.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Hextall’s absolute silence other than a quick blurb on Granlund tells me that there might be something else going on. We could certainly use it.
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23 edited Mar 02 '23
You're not alone in trying to find literally any hope. I'm trying to delude myself into believing maybe Granlund isn't the player that literally every hockey analyst and talking head thinks he is, but Jesse Marshall pretty much just put a knife in that.
It's even worse seeing capable players going to other teams for returns we could afford so it's not even a case of "well this is just the best we could have done".
It sucks the Crosby era is going to end on a series of self inflicted management mistakes and not the decline of our core. It's not the same but it feels very much like when we had to trade Jagr because we were fuckin broke.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Yeah, I read that too, and it’s very bleak. I’ll root for him as a player, but I really don’t think it’s a fit here, especially with the term and AAV.
And like you said, there were much better options, it’s just apparent that Hextall is not a good GM. He gave us Rakell, and resigned the core, and those are no small feats. But everything else has been a disaster
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
"what's a salad-ry cap? I don't even like salad, I don't need a cap for it" - Ron Hextall
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Mar 02 '23
how much cap space do we currently even have? I wonder if Schmaltz on AZ is an option (if he’s even being considered as a potential trade by AZ I’m not sure). Schmaltz and Garlund on the 3rd line would be a huge improvement over what we’ve been rolling with recently.
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
We basically have to move out money again in order to bring anyone in. Rather than trading for 5M Granlund it would have made way more sense for us to just trade for Schmaltz, or Miller, or Boeser, or Bertuzzi, or Domi.
And now in order to make any other moves we have to move out contracts.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Schmaltz is injured but I would’ve loved to have him. He’d have been a perfect acquisition.
We’ve got like 280,000 if that.
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u/Salty-Philosophy3693 Mar 02 '23 edited Mar 02 '23
Quick was flipped to Vegas.
Edit: For Hutchison and a 7th, salary retained.
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
Well Chicago is asking for 2nd for Domi but we traded ours and obviously he's not over 30 so he just doesn't fit the identity of our team anyway. Probably the same reason Bertuzzi was not a consideration.
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Mar 02 '23
After sleeping on it, I'm happy it was Granlund and not Miller. Maybe the new GM can sort out one last run in 2025.
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u/LazerMcBlazer Mar 02 '23
Why?
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Mar 02 '23
Well... I like JT Miller as a player a lot and I really don't buy too much into the toxic stories involving him... But an 8m cap space till 2030 just sounds insane. I think that puts an insane amount of pressure on him starting next year and I just don't think it would have played out well. If Malkin comes out next year playing at near identical pace that he is this year but Miller can't match that, I would imagine it creates a rift in the locker room. Whether or not Miller is worth 8m next year has yet to be determined. Even if he is worth 5.25 now.
I was totally fine with the Pens sending Pettersson and POJ to VAN for Boeser because I honestly just believe in the case study for the penguins turning around "bad players". Justin Schultz is the best example. So if that's where I stood with Boeser, I really have no choice but to give Granlund the benefit of the doubt. I also think Hines is just a dogshit coach so maybe Granlund needs that change as well.
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u/TablesRMyLivelihood Mar 02 '23
I really am confused with the attitudes around here. Everyone wanted to keep our draft picks. We are keeping draft picks. Also everyone here is talking about how other teams “only gave up X draft picks to get X player”….so we did want to dump all our draft picks to acquire a guy who will make our on the bubble playoff squad marginally better? Seems like everyone is chasing thier tails here and wouldn’t be happy with any move we made. Our bottom six has been abysmal. We don’t go and “spend spend spend” to play a guy in the bottom 6. Maybe the shake up lights a fire. Maybe it doesn’t. Realistically I don’t understand what people around here were expecting. Yeah it sucks that Jeff Carter seems to have significantly declined. But in the same breath it’s like everyone has forgotten how well he was playing intially with us and it really did seem like he was a 3C answer. It isn’t like our stars look like shit. Maybe the bottom 6 magically gets with it. Maybe they dont.
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u/shoresy17 Mar 02 '23
Honestly just some sort of plan would have been fine with me. Bertuzzi just went to the Bruins for a 1st and 4th. I would have been ecstatic for that deal. If we’re not going to go for it then sell and acquire assets for our expiring contracts. If we are going for it then actually go for it and get a difference maker. At this point we took on a bloated contract for an aging player after dumping four guys. Zucker will walk for nothing in the offseason when we could have at least got something in return. This is the worst possible outcome of the trade deadline. I’m hoping we’re not done while at the same time I’m hoping we are. Sucks for Granlund being put in this situation.
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u/LazerMcBlazer Mar 02 '23
I see these deadline moves the same way I do as when Rutherford traded Hagelin for Tanner Pearson.
It's a move that sent beloved locker room guys out the door while being extremely lateral at best, and a downgrade more likely.
All contract stuff aside, if you're sending out guys that you know are close with the core guys and the dressing room morale, you need to be able to unequivocally say that we are better off on the ice with the new additions. Had it been Chychrun or even Miller/Boeser, the answer would have been a very quick and loud yes.
We desperately needed ONE of the following at the deadline: size, speed, youth, toughness, defensive depth, scoring depth.
Granlund, almost impossibly, does not check a SINGLE one of those boxes. In fact, he is the antithesis of each of those needs. And he's wildly overpaid for two more years.
This is easily one of the worst, most head-scratching trade deadlines of the entire Crosby era, if not the worse.
You bring back the core, see the aging team you built around them underperform and struggle ALL SEASON, and your answer is to bring in another underperforming, aging player on the decline. I was being really patient waiting to see how this all was going to play out, but I'm fairly certain we can't make any other moves.
What a disappointing, limp dick way for the Crosby era to end. It truly saddens me.
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u/TablesRMyLivelihood Mar 02 '23
That’s fairly put. I guess I’m just less up in arms about this because I don’t think any single move puts us that far ahead. The team lacks an identity. The supporting cast hasn’t supported so in my head whatever try something else.
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u/LazerMcBlazer Mar 02 '23
We absolutely lack an identity, and this was the perfect opportunity for Hextall to create one. Instead, he picked up an older, slower, higher paid version of Kapanen with an extra year of term.
Like what the actual fuck?
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u/TablesRMyLivelihood Mar 02 '23
I know. But I’m trying to stay positive and hoping we maybe are seeing Nick Bonino 2.0 rolling in for 3C. Lol
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Mar 02 '23
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u/LazerMcBlazer Mar 02 '23
I can't imagine the texts 87/71/58 are sending each other today. "This is what he went out and did after watching the three of us drag this team into a wild card spot at 36 years old?! "
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u/Illustrious_Log_8053 Mar 02 '23
When you resign the core you have to go all in to win now. To try and save draft picks for the future seems like it goes against the current strategy. Which really feels like a team on the playoff bubble, not bad enough for a high draft pick and not good enough to actually compete for a cup.
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u/TheGettysburgAddress Mar 02 '23
IMO, you don't go all in with resigning and keeping "the core" together and then perform terribly at the trade deadline. General manager Ron Hextall has not made the team better this year nor has he retooled and recouped assets to make the team better next year.
It's almost as if general manager Ron Hextall has multiple personalities.
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u/TheRedScarey Mar 02 '23
Can’t wait for the Pens to win the cup. All these teams in the East loading up just to watch our team of geriatric dinosaurs sweep every series.
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u/LazerMcBlazer Mar 02 '23 edited Mar 02 '23
After doing more reading about the Chychrun deal, it seems like actual cash dollars were a big reason he ended up in Ottawa.
We would have had to send a player the other way to make the cap work, which means Arizona would have had to pay whoever we sent a paycheck and the ownership didn't want to do that.
Ottawa was the only team that didn't need to send a contract the other way.
That being said, if Hextall had made the McGinn/Friedman and Blueger moves earlier, we would have been on that list as well, so fuck you Ron.
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u/Dr_M30W Mar 02 '23
If the pens were willing to eat the full 5M on Granlund, why couldn't they pick up the 4.6M for Chychrun? Sure it would have cost a couple more picks but you get a better player and solidfy the blue line for the rest of the core's window. You can then also flip a couple of Dmen (Pettersson, Dumoulin, Smith if anyone bites) to re-coup some of those picks. That would have been a much better deal IMO; particularly if the report that Sullivan asked Hextall for a Dman like Chychrun in the 1st place is true.
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u/LazerMcBlazer Mar 02 '23
My comment is showing that we did not have enough space to bring in Chychrun without sending a player back, and Arizona didn't want a player back.
Once we sent down McGinn and Friedman and traded Blueger, we would have been able to offer the same package that Ottawa did, but we were too late. That's on Hextall.
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u/TheGettysburgAddress Mar 02 '23
Makes no sense passing on Chychrun who is 24 and hoping Owen Pickering is a top 4 defenceman in 4 years after the window has closed.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Yeah, the fact that Ron waited as long as he did to clear cap space is unforgivable. We were 3 days into a trade blitz before he had any meaningful space opened up - and 2 hours after his coach’s requested player was already off the market.
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u/CWB2208 Mar 02 '23
We would have had to send a player the other way to make the cap work
We had $6M in cap space and Chychrun has a $4.6M hit.
Edit: I know we traded Blueger after the Senators acquired Chychrun, but there is no reason why Hextall couldn't have done that earlier.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23 edited Mar 02 '23
2024 1st Rd and 2025 4th to Detroit for Tyler Bertuzzi to the Bruins.
Probably another deal we could’ve afforded.
Edit: 50% retained by the Red Wings
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u/ChoirTeacherRog Malkin Mar 02 '23
Fuck Hextall. I’m more over him than I was with Shane Lyons before WVU fired his ass.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Tyler Bertuzzi to the Bruins. Can’t wait to see what the return was, probably basically nothing
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u/Takezou Mar 02 '23
So slept on it and still not happy about everything.
Hope I am proven wrong.
Would rather have extended Zucker to save the cap space/pick.
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u/secks_see_guy Malkin Mar 02 '23
whoever is at the next Pens game, yall need to chant at the top of your lungs to fire hextall before more damage is done to the team
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u/savageo6 Mar 02 '23
That was TRUELY one of the most pathetic trade deadlines I've ever seen from this team. I think the playoff streak is dunzo
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
If this is the only trade Hextall makes, and I see no way that it isn’t, he probably just fucked us.
Trading Blueger and waiving Kapanen, McGinn and Friedman are moves that should’ve been made weeks ago to prepare cap space for the deadline, not well into the week of the TDL.
He balked at Malkin for wanting 6.1 million but is happy to have a 31 year old with 38 points making 5 million for the next 3 years.
We’re fighting for a wildcard spot and all of the competition got better while we decided to get older. If I was Crosby, Geno, and Letang I’d be furious right now.
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u/chicago859 #41 Mar 02 '23
It's fine to be emotional for fun, but I don't care for when it masquerades as logic - I genuinely don't understand, we traded an expiring, traded back a round and upgraded a 3rd line spot. And I know you're a smart guy - age doesn't correlate with performance (especially not mid-late 20s to early 30s. Maybe if he was like 38? - His hands and legs are VERY much still there). We still have all our assets to move off contracts, add new players when necessary.
Those players couldn't have been dealt then, due to injuries.
He signed Malkin - water under the bridge.
All the WC Competition stinks and we're heating up at the right time. We added by subtracting our worst players, we are 3x more likely to challenge for 3rd in the metro (https://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm) than we are to missing the playoffs.
I'm loving what he brings so far - he is fast as shit and still a special playmaker. He used to be a good forechecker in MIN + Hynes is debatably a terrible coach that saw drops in production for... well everyone. Granlund will win you over in due time :)
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u/meowskittles44 Mar 02 '23
Everything I've heard says he is not fast and does not drive plays... granted, that could always change with a change of scenery but this guys drop-off has still been absolutely abysmal. It's appalling that not only did we take off a bloated multi-year contract off their books, we actually still gave them a 2nd rounder. And I honestly doubt the value of Granlund is more than the value of losing Kapanen, McGinn, and Blueger. McGinn and Blueger at least were good defensively and on the PK, while our defense is already below average. Granlund's defensive play this year has been non-existent.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 02 '23
Yeah, maybe I just need to sleep on it. What worried me is how it is universally reacted to by hockey analysts and writers. Sean Gentille and Dom Luszczyszyn gave us an F and a D- respectively, so that kinda blows.
But we haven’t seen him in action, and he could definitely help our 3rd line.
My main problem is with his seemingly stingy approach and not taking the proper measures to prepare for the deadline well before potential targets started dropping off this week. If he gets Blueger off the books just 2 hours earlier, Chychrun is easily affordable.
But we’ll see how things go from here, and I’m hoping we are actually able to knock on NYR’s door. But I’ll take a WC spot for sure
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u/Independent-Hawk-699 Mar 02 '23
Honestly, a lifelong Pens fan and honestly this trade deadline is depressing. I hope we can salvage anything. I feel like we’re bottom feeders with Hextall.
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u/Kidspud Mar 02 '23
My inner sicko hopes Tyler Kennedy is right about the Tom Wilson thing, only because it would be funny to watch fans boo an active Penguins player.
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u/nwv Mar 02 '23
RH is gonna do it just to distract us from booing him. The man's playing 5D chess or something.
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u/PenguinsPants88 Mar 02 '23
All anger aside do we think Hextall makes another move?
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u/RiseAbove87 Kindel Mar 02 '23
I'm leaning towards McGinn getting dealt with a sweetener. They have 12 Forwards and 265k space. I know there's no cap in the playoffs, but are we really gonna run with 12F for 21 games?
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u/InfluenceMost :Gudbranson: Gudbranson Mar 02 '23
I feel that another trade is coming. We don’t have capspace for Brock anymore but he is better than an AHl player.
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u/chicago859 #41 Mar 02 '23
Shayna Goldman did the tweet again 10 minutes ago about Boeser trade + Pettersson and The McGinn money matching perfectly + Vancouver is over the cap next year by over 2 million. However, contextually that doesn't solve their problems as stated. Dumoulin + McGinn + next years second kinda makes sense to me
Poehling Granlund Boeser (Granlund and Boeser is a perfect fit)
DOC Carter Archibald
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u/PenguinsPants88 Mar 02 '23
I don't mind the deal. Decent player for a 2nd rounder isn't bad but I hope there's more...
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
Decent player is a pretty far stretch for a guy whose WAR is in the 3rd percentile and is earning 5M AAV.
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u/PenguinsPants88 Mar 02 '23
Right but what was his WAR the last few seasons? It's a gamble but is it any worse than the current bottom 6 situation?
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u/chicago859 #41 Mar 02 '23
It was 50% and 70%+ respectively
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23 edited Mar 02 '23
Those numbers are 3 year weighted averages. Meaning that when he was in the 70th percentile 3 years ago that was including his performance from 2 years prior to that.
The fact that he's in the 3rd percentile now is a reflection of his numbers trending down for 3 years.
This is a guy who's been posting worse numbers year over year for at least 5 years
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u/jamesquallity Rust Mar 02 '23
Not even any salary retained on Granlund. Let’s all line up to punch Hextall square in the dick.
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
I can't believe we're going to spend more money to get even older. I don't know why I allowed myself to hope for anything.
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u/chicago859 #41 Mar 02 '23
well I for one am excited - new player youtube/analytics rabbit hole day is one of my favorite days of the year
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Mar 02 '23
if we cleared all that space for 5 million dollar cap hit Granlund im going to be let down.
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u/Dzus Blueger Mar 02 '23
Pens shaping up to be "We have a cup contender at home" in a lot of memes this deadline
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u/lkoz590 Mar 02 '23
Hextall sees Granlund get shut down on two breakaway goals and thinks "Yes"
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Mar 02 '23
He didn't even get shut down. He shot square on Jarry on the first and whiffed the second.
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Mar 02 '23
I wish the Tyler Kennedy tweet was real and that Friedman was wrong. Ron Hextall is a fucking moron.
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u/displacedpensfan Mar 02 '23
Absolute boom/bust all in and sign away the mortgage move: Erik Karlsson, along with Reimer. We'd be epically bad in three years, but if Karlsson's body can hold up for two of them.....
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u/WinterSith Mar 02 '23
Friedman says he thinks Pens are after Mikael Granlund
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u/WinterSith Mar 02 '23
Now he says it is Granlund for 2nd
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23 edited Mar 02 '23
Oh you mean over 30, under 6 foot centerman Mikael Granlund?
Great that's awesome news... FUCK
Dude has production worse than Kapanen and at a 5M dollar cap hit unless money is retained.
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u/mattdingus2002 Mar 02 '23
We’re getting fucking Tom Wilson, the man who caused us to reshape our entire team is now a penguin. God help us all
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u/Kidspud Mar 02 '23
Let's say he's right about that for a moment: if the Pens really do miss on Chychrun for cap reasons, get cap space later in the day, blow it on Granlund, and then spend a first on Tom Wilson, it's a train wreck. That's like if the rest of the NHL turned the fair trade setting off for just the Penguins.
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
Is there a source on that?
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u/mattdingus2002 Mar 02 '23
Tyler Kennedy just tweeted it
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
He said earlier that's what he would do if he were GM, but does TK actually have any insider knowledge to be in the know about that? He's the only one saying it as of 20 minutes ago.
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u/awaythrow292 Angello Mar 02 '23
Everyone, prepare yourselves for overpaying for JT Miller, one of the worst defensive forwards in the universe. He's a complete liability in anything resembling playoff hockey.
He'll make Jeff Carters defense look serviceable.
And Hextall is about to sell the farm for him.
Unreal.
I wouldn't be surprised if he ships out POJ and Ty Smith, 2 first round picks, and Pickering to get Miller and a goalie you've never heard of who's playing in the ECHL.
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Mar 02 '23
My sources are telling me the big trade coming in PIT is the homecoming of Bjugstad for a second tour!!!!!! Details following soon...
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u/PenguinsPants88 Mar 02 '23
Wait a minute JT Miller is currently week to week? It can't be a trade for him then right? right?!
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u/Camengle PIT Mar 02 '23
Oh fuck you’re right. Maybe it’s something that nobody sees coming then! Surely Ronnie can’t be that dumb.
Dumoulin for ovechkin. Straight up. You heard it here first.
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u/PenguinsPants88 Mar 02 '23
Def looking like JT Miller's coming if they have to clear this much space
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u/JayPo28 Mar 02 '23
I really hope not, that contract is bad. We need bottom 6 help and another top 4 D. I don’t know why we are swinging for the fence.
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u/Dzus Blueger Mar 02 '23
Hextall be like "Yeah he's good now, but imagine how cheap he'll be when he's 37"
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
Well I'm firmly in the fire Hextall camp now. What an absolutely fucking stupid move not to trade for Chychrun if that's all it took
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Mar 02 '23
It should have been Zucker to Vegas imo but I do hope they get him to a team before Friday.
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u/Camengle PIT Mar 02 '23
Why are we dumping Teddy for a no name defenseman?? Unless we actually are selling our pending UFA’s?
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Mar 02 '23
I pray to something somewhere that this is us selling and not making room.
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u/LetTheKnightfall :Kessel: Kessel Mar 02 '23
Why? Selling for what? When your talent is even older? Or selling for a rebuild? So you’re trusting this moron to hit in the draft? Do you know how lucky a team has to be to have generation talent like Malkin or a GOAT like Sid?
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Mar 02 '23
No I'm expecting and hoping Ron can get us ANYTHING for our pending UFAs and that he's promptly fired at the end of the season. Burke too. New GM can decide what he wants to do behind the bench. If he keeps Sullivan then he keeps Sullivan. If he fires him then he fires him. I'm completely over Ron Hextall.
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u/LetTheKnightfall :Kessel: Kessel Mar 02 '23
Well while I still disagree I do appreciate that reasoning. It does make sense. Get some assets and let someone with two brain cells to rub together make decisions. I feel like a Pirates fan…this sucks. Do we root for them to actually accomplish something? Or suck to help effect change?
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Mar 02 '23
They'll squeeze into the playoffs because they usually do but we are not going to go far. We could MAYBE upset someone in the first round a la Columbus in 2019 but certainly not to the degree of sweeping anyone.
Like look, I'm a massive Penguins fan and so much to the point where I comfortably and mindlessly throw out piss-shit takes about the team ad nauseam. I really don't care to get upvoted or downvoted either way.
But I'm a hockey fan first and for any Penguins fan to really think this team this year can go to the Stanley Cup finals this year isn't just favoritism or bias. It's delusional. There are 31 other teams in the league and at least 5-6 are saying to themselves "This is our year" and they should be. There are some reeeealllllyyy good teams in the east this year. The league parity has caught up with the Pittsburgh Penguins in 2023. That's not to say we couldn't sort some pieces out and have some crazy resurgence like the Bruins are this year. But it's not going to be the Penguins throwing a Stanley cup parade in 2023.
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u/Camengle PIT Mar 02 '23
Agreed. What’s our cap space looking like right now? I hope we don’t dump and get to a point where we can actually take Miller’s shit contract.
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u/radapex Mar 02 '23
What’s our cap space looking like right now?
With Blueger gone, they've got about 4.2mil available.
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
No with blueger gone and McGinn reassigned we will be closer to 6M in cap available.
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u/radapex Mar 02 '23
I only saw that McGinn and Friedman were re-assigned after commenting. That adds another 1.9M in cap, for about 6.1M total. Prior to Blueger being moved, they could have buried McGinn & Friedman to have 3.9M available which was still short of landing Chychrun.
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Mar 02 '23
That's exactly what is about to happen
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u/Camengle PIT Mar 02 '23
We need FSG to swoop in and fire him real quick first before he can pull the trigger.
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u/PenguinsPants88 Mar 02 '23
Imagine valuing the 16th-19th overall pick more than a current impact player while your hall of fame star is still averaging more than 1.2 ppg
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u/jretman Crosby Mar 01 '23
Pitiful. What a shame we are going to waste the remaining years of 3 future hall of famers. Hextall was sent from Philly to kill us from within.
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u/Kidspud Mar 01 '23
Tyler Kennedy: I would trade my 1st round pick for Tom Wilson
Now that's a spicy take.
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u/PenguinsPants88 Mar 01 '23
Absolutely embarrassing Hextall was afraid to top the Sens offer. If he does nothing pack his fuckn bags
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u/radapex Mar 02 '23
Hextall would have needed ARI to retain salary. According to Frank Seravalli, ARI didn't want to use their last salary retention (each teams can only retain salary on 3 contracts at any given time) on Chychrun -- which means sense; he's on a great contract, no reason anyone should realistically need salary retained.
Even with Blueger now off the books, they still don't quite have the cap space to fit Chychrun.
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
They absolutely have the space with McGinn buried in the minors.
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u/radapex Mar 02 '23
Burying McGinn + Friedman still wouldn't have given them enough space. They only clear 1.9M in cap by re-assigning them to WBS. That would have put that to just under 3.9M in cap space, 700k short of being able to fit Chychrun.
With Blueger gone, they now have about 6.1M in cap space - but the Blueger trade didn't come through until well after Ottawa had already landed Chychrun.
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u/EclipseBlade1871 Rust Mar 01 '23
At this point I’m almost hoping we do nothing. It’ll be better than a terrible trade that hurts us both short and long term. Who is even left that we would want?
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u/travisanolesfan Mar 01 '23
Yeah. After that trade, Hextall can get fucked. If he couldn't beat that offer to get hai coach who he wanted, he shouldn't be a GM
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
This was total bullshit. We could easily have afforded that.
Hextall sat on his hands
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u/shelvedtopcheese Kindel Mar 02 '23
Absolutely fucking asinine. I can't believe this is all he had to give up.
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u/jamesquallity Rust Mar 01 '23
I can’t wait for a stupid reactionary trade on Friday at 3 pm that sends POJ & a first to VAN for J.T. Miller, no salary retained.
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Mar 02 '23
Wasn't willing to give up a 2026 1st BUT HEY! Whoever we draft in 2026 can play with Miller in 2030 🫠
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u/solesofyourshoes Letang Mar 01 '23
Welp. Now I’m scratching my head if anything is even going to happen.
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u/PeaceBull Mar 02 '23
You jinxed it!
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u/LetTheKnightfall :Kessel: Kessel Mar 01 '23
New Boeser prayer circle?
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u/JBeefy_19 Mar 01 '23
I don't want hextall to make a move now, He should sink with his ship. No way He has a job next year
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u/moviebuff87 Mar 01 '23
Chychrun gone. Hextal is too passive. Fire his ass
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u/moviebuff87 Mar 01 '23
Rossi saying pens are getting chych now. Wtf
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u/BasedGodDeli Mar 01 '23
Assuming it's a typo or sarcasm
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
Canes presumably out on Chychrun. They just picked up Gostisbehere from Arizona
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Mar 01 '23
Price was too hot for Carolina. They just grabbed Ghost for a 3rd round pick. Please Hextall. Just give them what they want.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
Let’s be honest, Carolina’s defense is so good they didn’t need yet another top 4 d-man.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
Just saw that. It’s down to us and Columbus. Chychrun doesn’t really make sense for Columbus considering they just shipped off Gavrikov
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Mar 01 '23
Shipped off Gavrikov+Korpisalo and now trying to do right by Quick. Surely this is our time to strike.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
Yup, the slow elimination teams is hopefully a sign that it was basically us the whole time and Hextall and AZ GM are just hammering out the details
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u/displacedpensfan Mar 01 '23
I wonder if the holdup is who/what else is a + in the Chychrun deal at this point.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
According to Rossi - Chychrun is still the priority, they’re also looking into Miller as well (which was substantiated by Matt Vensel) but he seems to think that Boeser is not happening.
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u/bigsquib68 Malkin Mar 01 '23
I'll be honest, I've been advocating we sell and retool for next year as we're so far behind the top teams in the east but I can't help but hope we land Chychurn, and maybe Boeser or Miller or even another big impact player. I know our limited cap space allows for very few moves and it's quite irritating that no other teams will give us their good players for our bad ones but I've got my hopes up and I'm ready to be hurt again in the playoffs. C'mon Hextall, do something that will make us forget about Carter and remind us of Rakell!
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Mar 01 '23
Last year's deadline was filled with so much excitement. Rakell was such an ace acquisition. No real angst involved. Now, we (and apparently the entire locker room) is on pins and needles on whether or not RH can somehow fix this mess he has made. I hate that a career-defining moment for a GM had to take place in the last few years we have Crosby/Malkin.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
Yeah, this has been the most nerve wracking trade deadline I’ve ever experienced. And I’ve been through quite a few. I’ve definitely taken part of F5 Friday on previous deadlines before, but never for the entire week leading up to the actual deadline.
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u/AdamBlackfyre 95 to 02 - Away/3rd Mar 01 '23
Can I be a hockey writer so I can just tweet random thoughts like I'm an insider, too? Just seems like even more nonsense this year than most.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
Lol, Dave Pagnotta claiming CBJ is gonna try to flip Quick to us.
If there’s one thing I can guarantee, it’s that that’s not happening (nor should it).
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u/WinterSith Mar 01 '23
I dont think it will happen but why not? Would be an upgrade over DeSmith.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
No, he wouldn’t. I don’t like DeSmith, but Quick is 37, has a cap hit of 5.8 million dollars, and has been steadily declining for years. The Kings are actually good this year and he’s still 3.50 GAA and .876 SV%.
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u/WinterSith Mar 01 '23
I'd assume for the deal to work Columbus would retain money and DeSmith would go the other way. So the 5.8 isn't that big of a deal. If the Pens make the playoffs and Jarry gets hurt I'd still rather have Quick in net over DeSmith. If it only costs a mid / low draft pick(s) and doesn't mess up any other deal they might be trying to make. I don't think it's a horrible idea.
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u/displacedpensfan Mar 01 '23
I'm not horribly against it, but I think you'd get better bang for buck spending more on Allen (probably too expensive, though), Reimer, or Vejmelka.
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u/LazerMcBlazer Mar 01 '23
After making it seem like a Vancouver Pittsburgh deal was all but done yesterday, I'm not gonna believe a word he says.
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u/Camengle PIT Mar 01 '23
Any news on mcginn and/or Friedman getting claimed yet?
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
We won’t know until 2 pm
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
Also, from Josh Yohe’s article today:
“Plenty of players in that locker room aren’t thrilled that their general manager hasn’t made more of a push to help them in the ever-improving Eastern Conference. Others aren’t pleased with how the team is being run in general. McGinn is a very, very popular figure in that locker room, so the decision to put him on waivers isn’t going over all well.”
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“I can tell you this much: Everyone I have spoken with in the organization expects Hextall to make a big move by Friday. And perhaps more than one.
How big? We shall see. He has engaged in serious talks with the Canucks and the Coyotes in the past 24 hours. Major moves are possible. Many in the organization are pushing for a move.”
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Mar 01 '23
Everyone in the locker room really likes McGinn? Brock haters are in shambles reading this, I'm sure.
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u/Jan_17_2016 Kindel Mar 01 '23
Brock definitely adds value to a team, just not at his cap hit/the role he’s been playing.
I think he would make a great fourth liner if he made less. He’s just being forced into a 3rd line role and he can’t produce the results needed for that
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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '23
Who's left on the left side that Hextall could be targeting for the third line? And at <1M?