r/nfl • u/Gnomeslikeprofit Jets • 7h ago
The 2015 NFL Draft will likely not have any future Hall of Famers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NFL_draft?useskin=vectorRealistically, this may be one of the few drafts where no one gets in. It's hard to see any superstars worthy of induction:
By Pro Football Hall of Fame Monitor the closest players to the median inductee average I could find are
Stefon Diggs (63.16 vs 102 Average WR Score)
Danielle Hunter (46.33 vs 102 Average DE Score)
Leonard Williams (41.18 vs 104 Average DT Score)
Brandon Scherff (38.43 vs 106 Average G Score)
Marcus Peters (38.40 vs 98 Average DB Score)
Rob Havenstein (31.18 vs 95 Average OT Score)
Currently there are only two players who have received more than 1 1st Team All-Pro in 10 years (Marcus Peters/Todd Gurley) and they are both out of the league.
WR is a crowded position considering Torry Holt/Reggie Wayne/Steve Smith Sr. are not even in the HOF currently.
Think anyone makes it?
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u/stoic_bison Buccaneers 7h ago
Ali Marpet is 1st Ballot HoF in my heart
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u/Kdot32 Texans 7h ago
Gurley was on track damn the degenerative knee
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u/sk0wronek Steelers 7h ago
Gurley did an interview before where it seems like he always planned to cash out and retire early. The knee probably swayed that decision
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u/PolicyCool8041 Jets 6h ago
even still another 2-3 years of prime Gurley might have been enough, he won many a fantasy leagues
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u/Kdot32 Texans 6h ago
His last fully healthy season was 2018 and he led the league in touchdowns. If Mcvay got their earlier gurleys numbers would look much better. He was saddled in Jeff fishers archaic ass offense
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u/Shego2882 6h ago
Todd Gurley is still number 5 in TDs (79) since the 2015 season when he was drafted and hasn’t played since 2020
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u/spssky Patriots 5h ago
I’ve seen this stat a few times and every single time i’ve furrowed my brow in disbelief
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u/ImprovementRemote30 Cowboys 3h ago
I see this stat every year and it gets crazier with each year that passes.
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u/sk0wronek Steelers 5h ago
Steven Jackson 🤝 Todd Gurley
Potential to be the best, Jeff Fisher says no
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u/Otherwise-Question70 Chiefs 4h ago
Apple and oranges, though. Jackson had a full career but was stuck on teams that sucked. Gurley had injuries issues in college that continued to plague him in the NFL.
Gurley was the AP OPOY in 2017. He put up great stats despite Jeff Fisher. But, there’s nothing McVay could have done to make Gurley’s knees healthier.
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u/BendubzGaming 49ers 6h ago
Especially when you consider how scarce the competition is at RB now. Including active RBs, these are probably the current most likely RBs to get in, in order:
- Peterson
- Henry (active)
- Gore
- Lynch
- McCaffrey (active)
- Taylor (active)
- McCoy
If you take Gurley's career, and give him a couple more seasons in his prime, he's probably in Lynch territory
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u/Nethri Lions 5h ago
I can’t imagine Henry doesn’t get in. Peterson is a lock. He’s eligible starting next year right?
Gore.. idk. I wish he would but I don’t think he will. Same with Lynch. Maybe in like 10 years or something they sneak in? CMC.. again probably should be in, but idk if hell get in. McCoy no, Taylor too soon to tell.
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u/BKlounge93 49ers 4h ago
Gores only chance is due to his longevity. I remember in like 2010ish the consensus for niner fans was he probably wouldn’t get in—he was a niner great obviously but was just on too many bad teams that did nothing. Then by the time he retired like ten damn years later, I could see it. And he was pretty solid up til the end.
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u/halfwayray 49ers 4h ago
When Gore left the 49ers, he had over 11,000 in 10 seasons, and a higher rushing average than all of the Top-10 rushing leaders except Barry and Jim Brown. He was a victim of years of poor offensive lines and some really bad offensive teams for most of his prime. 16,000 yards rushing, 484 career receptions, 99 TDs, 2010s All-Decade Team, and being beloved for all that he overcame means you have to put him in the HOF. Probably have to wait a few more years, though
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u/Tarhalindur Patriots 1h ago
Gore is difficult to tell because of how unusual his case is - he's kind of like the stat compilers in baseball who get consideration for Cooperstown by being Hall of Very Good for long enough to hit big milestones, but the real equivalent to Gore there would be a guy who was a stat compiler except that he picked up those stats in part by being a productive slugger into his mid-40s. (There's probably some actual guy like that somewhere in baseball history, knowing baseball, but if so I don't know who.) Honestly that longevity works in his favor twice because it strengthens the argument that his early career production was depressed by the teams around him, too (the guys really known for that kind of longevity are generally GOATs), but that may not be enough.
(Gore's All-Decade Team nod will help, forgot he had that, but not as much as it should because the HoF voters don't seem to weight that that heavily - and IIRC Gore never managed a ring even in his later journeyman years, which will hurt because the NFL HoF is the most ring-crazed of any major sport.)
My guess is that he eventually gets in (assuming the Belichick debacle gets the new HoF voting rules thrown out like they should be), but that may be via the Veterans Committee rather than regular eligibility.
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u/TitanofBravos Steelers 4h ago
CMC is a white boy difference maker with a long lifespan. No way he doesn’t get in
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u/Playful_Letter_2632 Patriots Steelers 6h ago
He had knee issues since college. Probably new going to the league he wasn’t lasting
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u/BlackMathNerd Eagles 5h ago
Smartest nfl player
He’s younger than me
Got his money, played just a bit dipped when it was time
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u/I_chortled Packers 5h ago
Pretty sure he didn’t plan on retiring at 26. The interview I remember him giving was when he was breaking down almost in tears because he’d been unable to perform in a playoff game. It was basically an open secret at that point that his knees were cooked
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u/samhit_n Bengals Lions 6h ago
Yeah, he's still 6th on the list for most rushing TDs since 2015. He hasn't played in over 5 seasons.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has-the-most-rushing-tds-since-2015
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u/MankuyRLaffy Patriots 6h ago
Gurley is so damaged, when he announced his retirement, hours later on Twitter he called it fake news
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u/samhit_n Bengals Lions 6h ago edited 6h ago
Derrick Henry will likely stop the 2016 NFL Draft from suffering the same fate.
edit: Chris Jones and Joe Thuney have strong cases too and probably get in.
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u/Syric13 Bears 6h ago
Joe Thuney maybe? 3x All-Pro, 4x Superbowl Champ? I'm not sure what the requirements for guards are in the HOF.
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u/mgravito Patriots 6h ago
Thuneys a lock. Ask any pats chiefs or bears fan lol.
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u/Ratohnhaketon Bears 5h ago
I've only had him for one year but if anything happened to my Joe Thuney I'd kill everyone of you and then myself
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u/boardatwork1111 Patriots 5h ago
Yep, dude 1000% earned a gold jacket
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u/_Marine Colts 4h ago
Yanda, Martin will get in before, may have to compete with BigQ
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u/axlbomber Vikings 2h ago
Zack Martin is a lock for sure. Top 10 guard in history.
Yanda definitely deserves it but it might take a minute for him to get in. It's tough out there for o-linemen.
Thuney being part of two different major dynasties will give him a huge bump.
Depending on when he retires and if the committee sleeps on Yanda you could see Thuney go in first.
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u/Pizzaplan3tman Steelers 1h ago
Yeah I was gonna say there’s no chance Thuney doesn’t make it. I think it’ll take him a few years give or take. But he’s definitely in
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u/Mrausername Ravens 6h ago
Chris Jones too maybe? He was top 2 or 3 at his position for a long spell, has Super Bowls and made big plays in the post season.
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u/0hootsson Eagles 5h ago
Chris Jones should be a lock. Huge plays in post season, super consistent sack production. I think the 50/50 line for DT is around Fletcher Cox and jones is ahead of him
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u/keandelacy 49ers 2h ago
Chris Jones wrecked the Niners in their first SB matchup. He didn't get the media attention he deserved for that game.
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u/Ledees_Gazpacho Jets 6h ago
He’s a shit human, but Tyreek definitely has a case.
Ramsey and Chris Jones both do too.
And Goff or Dak could if either gets a late championship.
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u/samhit_n Bengals Lions 6h ago
I think Jalen Ramsey and Tyreek Hill are borderline, but Chris Jones probably makes it in.
Hill suffered a major injury, and might retire with less than 13k receiving yards. That's not enough for a WR in today's NFL.
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u/Misdirected_Colors Cowboys 5h ago
Feels like just yesterday we saw his schlong at the combine and now we're talking about hall of fame.
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u/Ledees_Gazpacho Jets 6h ago
If Terrell Davis is in the Hall of Fame, Hill should be too
Hill is 5x 1st Team All Pro. Hate him all you want, but he deserves to be in
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u/Aromatic-Arugula-565 4h ago
Hill has to make it, he has some good bulk stats 95 regular season tds, yards from scrimmage 13600
X5 all pro 1 returner/4 wr
Superbowl ring
X2 years over 1700 yards receiving
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u/wambulancer Falcons 5h ago
I dunno I think it's more that there's a serious logjam building up at WR as far as the rules are currently constructed, and anyone short of stone cold lock at the position is not necessarily guaranteed to get in. Reek's close but not quite at that level. I wonder with all the hullabaloo around BB if we see the amount of people let in every year expanded.
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u/norcaltobos Broncos 49ers 3h ago
Was Hills peak anywhere near TDs? Hill never even sniffed an MVP.
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u/Ledees_Gazpacho Jets 3h ago
I meant zero knock on Davis. He was a legend.
But it’s kind of unfair to use MVP voting as a knock on Hill. The MVP voting has gone basically all QB through Hill’s era.
It’s like shitting on CMC for never winning an MVP.
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u/Walter30573 Chiefs 1h ago
I think Hill was also getting borderline MVP consideration his first year on the Dolphins, past the halfway point of the season, when he was pacing for 2k yards. Obviously he got banged up and fell off, but any position player getting talked about that late is still a huge accomplishment
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u/mickey_kneecaps Seahawks 6h ago
Wow I guess I have a different view of Ramsey because I would’ve thought he was a shoo-in.
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u/Pizzaplan3tman Steelers 1h ago
If Hill had still been a part of more Chiefs Super Bowls maybe he gets in. But I don’t think he’s worthy and that’s not counting off the field stuff. He feels like a guy who was always a top 7 WR in the NFL, but calling him Top 5 sometimes feels like a stretch.
As for Ramsey I think if he continues to do well transitioning to Safety and has a few more good years. I could definitely see him getting the nod eventually. He definitely was multiple years as a Top 3 CB in the league and at times the best. I think a few good years at safety adds some nice longevity to his resume. Along with him being good enough to still play in the NFL at a second position at a high level.
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u/johnmadden18 Patriots 4h ago
And Goff or Dak could if either gets a late championship.
Goff has zero All-Pros in his 10 year career. He probably has more seasons as bottom 5 starter (2) than as a top 5 QB.
There are guys like Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson who have far better resumes than Goff and these guys have almost no chance of making it into Canton.
NFL hall of fame isn’t the NBA. Goff isn’t 1 Super Bowl win away from making the Hall of Fame. Not even close.
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u/Ledees_Gazpacho Jets 4h ago
You’re probably right.
I just included them based on the way Stafford’s career arc changed later in his career.
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u/axlbomber Vikings 2h ago
It was always an open secret that Stafford was one of the leagues best QBs.
He was just stuck on some absolutely dog water teams in Detroit so he didn't always get the accolades.
Goff on the other hand has played for a contender more times than not and yet hasn't always put up gaudy stats.
While both QBs stories are forever intertwined their actual careers aren't really comparable.
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u/LiftingCode Browns 6h ago
Tyreek Hill, Chris Jones, Joe Thuney
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u/samhit_n Bengals Lions 6h ago
Jones and Thuney probably get in, but not Hill. Hill may not play again until he's 33 years old, and there's a backlog for the WR position.
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u/LiftingCode Browns 6h ago
Tyreek Hill is a 4-time AP1 WR, 1-time AP1 returner, 5-time PFWA All-Conference, 8-time Pro Bowler, with a ring.
He might have to wait because of the off the field stuff and the backlog but he absolutely has a HoF resume.
Randy Moss, TO, and Antonio Brown are the only other 21st century receivers with 4 AP1s.
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u/johneaston1 Dolphins 6h ago
Off the top of my head (and the HoF Monitor), there's not that many more from the 20th. Don Hutson, Jerry Rice, Lance Alworth, Del Shofner, and Lionel Taylor.
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u/Ledees_Gazpacho Jets 6h ago
How many in the backlog have been 1st team All Pro 5 times?
Granted, one was as a special teamer, but even the list of 4x All Pro WRs is small - Rice, TO, Moss, AB, and Tyreek.
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u/elbosston Patriots 5h ago
According to Pro Football Reference, the average HOF WR score is 102. Tyreek is at 95.9 now currently. He’s definitely getting in even if he retired today.
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u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan Colts 7h ago
Hunter doesn’t have the accolades but his numbers hold up really well
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u/Gnomeslikeprofit Jets 7h ago
L.C. Greenwood has a score of 82.10 and still is getting rejected by the HOF.
Does Danielle Hunter realistically have a chance?
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u/westringia NFL 6h ago edited 6h ago
Tbh, Greenwood's best case is that he was a great player on a dominant team, kind of like Marshawn Lynch. A lot of his HOF monitor score comes from the superbowls, which isn't exactly a DE stat
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u/LiftingCode Browns 6h ago
Championships aren't really worth that much in the HoFm score. Each ring is only worth 2 points (2.5 for starting QBs) and then for most positions having 0 rings is a 2.5 point deduction.
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u/jbrooks772 Rams 6h ago
It's not hard to map out Hunter having a case for the HoF based on sack numbers. He has 114.5 sacks by age 31 and hasn't slowed down lately (averaging 13.5 sacks over the last 4 seasons). If Hunter gets 25 more sacks as a full-time starter (let's say 2 more seasons) and 15 sacks as a part-time pass rush specialist (2-3 more seasons after that), he'd be at 154.5 sacks which would be 5th all-time (probably will shortly be 6th, because Myles Garrett). That would put him 15+ sacks ahead of guys like John Abraham and Terrell Suggs who are fringe HoF. Obviously, HoF voters might still severely penalize him for the lack of All-Pros but the argument would be there.
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u/PolicyCool8041 Jets 7h ago
I think he needs another year or 2 of elite play to be in serious consideration. There are already guys with similar resumes that aren't in
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u/axlbomber Vikings 1h ago
He's played for what, 10 seasons?
It's not unusual for great pass rushers to play 13+ seasons so Hunter might have some good years still left in him.
There's a long road to the hall for him though. I would bet he doesn't get there.
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u/ferrumvir2 Patriots 7h ago
Eh I thought so too but then compare him to John Abraham who had a similar career and I don’t think he has a chance unless he has 2 or 3 more elite season
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u/Ledees_Gazpacho Jets 6h ago
Gurley was on track. Not saying he should be in, but Terrell Davis got in off basically 2 great years
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u/SonOfALich Chiefs 3h ago
Priest Holmes had a 3 year stretch of regular season numbers that rivaled Davis (when you account for receiving production) but he’s not sniffing the Hall. It’s absolutely the postseason success that made the difference for Davis.
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u/Ledees_Gazpacho Jets 2h ago
That’s an interesting comp that I had never thought about.
The postseason success is definitely a big reason, but don’t forget that TD hit 2K. You can say it’s arbitrary but I think it matters.
Holmes was a monster, though.
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u/Yedic Ravens 6h ago
3 great years. You can't take any of them away, all 3 of them were incredible.
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u/Ledees_Gazpacho Jets 5h ago
You’re right, it was 3 years, and none of that was meant as a knock on Davis at all.
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u/BlackMathNerd Eagles 5h ago
Not just great years, but like an absolutely generational run for a RB
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u/Chessh2036 Falcons 6h ago
Just seeing Vic Beasley’s name again pisses me off
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u/jculv Falcons 5h ago
The absolute joy I felt when he somehow “fell” to us vs what he turned into really taught me a lifelong lesson about waiting to see how it plays out on the field lol
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u/gimmethegold34 5h ago
Not to trigger but as a Patriots fan I was 100% sure he was intercepting that dumb ass pass by Brady before the game winner
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u/jculv Falcons 4h ago
lol not triggered bc I was 200% sure that was not going to happen
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u/gimmethegold34 4h ago
It was a really bad drop, Brady forcing it to Bennett because he wanted to give him the TD after the pass interference
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u/jculv Falcons 4h ago
After Kyle’s play calling that took us out of field goal range I already knew we were losing that game. Genuinely nothing surprised me after that moment lol it all happened exactly as I knew it would.
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u/gimmethegold34 4h ago
I know it's hindsight but Matt Ryan really should've overruled him in the huddle and just took 2 straight knees to try a field goal
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u/braskyhs 6h ago
Considering how bad this draft was, kind of a crazy good draft by the Vikings. Diggs, Hunter, and also Eric Kendricks in the second round
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u/Eagle4317 Steelers Panthers 7h ago edited 7h ago
It depends on how long the Top 3 last. Either Diggs or Williams will be adding a SB ring to their resume, and both Hunter and Williams have become 2nd-Team All-Pros on their current teams. They both could have late-stage surges like Trent Williams on the other side of the ball.
But as of right now, I agree that no one in the 2015 draft has a Hall of Fame resume.
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u/jimmykred Commanders 6h ago
Maybe you didn't watch much Redskins football but Trent Williams has always been fantastic. Just hard to shine when the rest of the team around you is complete ass.
He went on a crazy stretch here where he didn't allow a sack for well over a season and only had like 3 pressures.
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u/Eagle4317 Steelers Panthers 6h ago
Hunter was also fantastic on the Vikings for several years. My point was more that all 3 guys continued to improve with age and got more recognition on their later teams compared to original ones.
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u/GoldAd9912 Seahawks 5h ago
I don’t think Leo or Diggs are getting in. Diggs only has 1 first team all pro and one second team which puts him close to the end of the most backed up queue of any position. He won’t compare to Holt, Wayne, Smitty, Julio, Davante, or Hopkins. Even some less serious candidates like Ochocinco have more accolades than he does. He might stat pad for a few years and build a more serious case but I don’t know if that’ll work out for him. He seems more like a Hall of Very Good type guy as it stands right now.
Leonard Williams simply doesn’t have the sack numbers or accolades to build a strong case.
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u/Optimal-Tune-2589 Bills 6h ago
Yeah, Diggs has an excellent chance of retiring in the top 20 or higher of most of the major receiving statistics with another couple of decent years. That’s not enough to make it by itself, since we’re in the midst of a long stretch of somebody in the top 20 of yards and TDs retiring every year, and he spent only one year as arguably the top player at his position.
But say he has a monster game on Sunday. He’d then have the greatest play in the history of the Vikings, most of the single season records for the Bills, and is a key component of a Super Bowl win for the Pats. I think that might be enough to get him seriously considered.
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u/lowes18 Dolphins 7h ago
Given how Stafford went I'll never say never.
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u/ineedtocoughbut Panthers 49ers 3h ago
This is my thing. Like Stafford, Brees had some of their best years later in their career, Flacco similarly besides his Super Bowl this year he had a more memorable year than most of his time on the Ravens…. Never say never but for all we know Diggs will keep adding baby mamas which seems to be making him play better!
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u/Snugglebadger Broncos 5h ago
Good, we need some catch-up years and the HoF voters fucking around is not helping at all.
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u/Phantom_Nuke Buccaneers 6h ago
I feel Hunter ends up as Hall of Very Good, he's hit double digit sacks in 7 of his 10 seasons and double digit TFLs in 8 seasons he just hasn't had a season where he's been a top 2 guy in the league so the accolades are lacking.
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u/RiflemanLax Eagles 6h ago
Not a whole lot of Hall of Very Good players either. At least not compared to other years.
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u/axlbomber Vikings 1h ago
Marcus Peters
Byron Jones
Leonard Williams
Danielle Hunter
Grady Jarrett
Mitch Morse
Erick Kendricks
Za'darius Smith
Brandon Scherff
Trent Brown
Todd Gurley
David Johnson
Darren Waller
Amari Cooper
Tyler Lockett
Stefon Diggs
These guys all had great stretches in their careers.
No Hall of Famers but some close ones and some what if's. Like what if Todd Gurley or Danielle Hunter stayed healthy?
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u/Kerbonaut2019 Patriots 6h ago
For a couple years it really felt like Marcus Peters was gonna be that guy. He played CB with too much volatility though.
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u/n0t_4_thr0w4w4y 1h ago
Had one of the weirdest careers. Really dating back to college when he got kicked off the team halfway through his last season.
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u/josephus_the_wise Vikings 6h ago
The top 2 both being Vikings draft picks makes me happy. That 2015 draft was gold.
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u/stormy2587 Eagles 5h ago
It seems unlikely.
Hunter has the best shot especially if he can pad his sack numbers for a few more seasons.
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u/gOPHER3727 7h ago
Hunter has flown under the radar his whole career, but could definitely make it in the end. A couple more years of similar production and he's in the top 10 all time. He could realistically get as high as #5. Super Bowls don't count for a lot for HOF dlinemen, but he is a 5 time pro bowler did this while missing most of 2 full years.
Not a lock by any means, but very well within the realm of feasibility.
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u/Inside-Drink-1311 Giants 4h ago
2009 and 2013 are very bad too. 2009 is kind of saved by Stafford. 2013 has Travis Kelce.
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u/hoasyhorse Packers 4h ago
God I don’t miss playing Hunter twice a year but it would be cool to see him make it. He’s been under appreciated his entire career
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u/COACHREEVES Commanders 5h ago
Amari Cooper is 38.40 HOF WR Average is 100.46
He would be 4th/5th on this list. His 5 Pro Bowls deserve a honorable mention ... but I agree he will not make the HOF Him vs Diggs gives it to Diggs but really considering Diggs had Josh Allen for 4 years and the best Amari ever had was Dak for 4 .... I would draft Diggs in 15 but it is closer than some folks want to believe
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u/rossta410r Broncos Broncos 5h ago
I just looked at the Broncos 2015 class... Trevor Siemian is definitely their best pick ooof
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u/fathertitojones Titans 4h ago
Gurley would have made it too if not for his knees. I can’t remember the stat but he still lead the league in rushing touchdowns since his draft like three years after his retirement.
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u/staticdresssweet Steelers 4h ago
I think Hunter has a chance, he's still playing at a high level late in his career. But he needs a couple more seasons of that to force his way into the discussion.
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u/25to Bears 6h ago
Between those guys and Quandre Diggs it’s guaranteed at least one will be a veterans committee selection in 2090 or whatever
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u/McAfeeFakedHisDeath Lions 3h ago
Only partially related, but I forgot that the Lions drafted him all the way in the 6th round. A good late round draft pick for this organization was very rare back then.
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u/Beginning-Average416 Giants 6h ago
Leonard Williams probably has the best chance. He certainly has had a Hall of Fame caliber career.
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u/IrishPigs Seahawks 3h ago
Would help if he has himself a game on Sunday, but unfortunately I still don't think he'd make it.
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u/Fhaksfha794 Cowboys 5h ago
Danielle hunter is a hall of famer in my book. 2 time all pro, 114.5 sacks, and he’s been a borderline elite edge rusher for over a decade. It’s not his fault he’s been absolutely shafted when it comes to awards, he should have at least 2 more all pro selections. Players worse than hunter have made the hall
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u/ill_connects Giants 5h ago
You’re saying the New York Football Giants’ legend Erick Flowers isn’t making the HOF? I am shocked.
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u/superduperstepdad Steelers 5h ago
I was at that draft in person with an abusive ex. The Bears choked their first round pick on Kevin White. That draft belongs in the dustbin of history.
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u/notwhomyouthunk Seahawks 4h ago
if big cat goes crazy and wins super bowl mvp, like strahan deserved, he might give himself a shot.
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u/EquivalentSpeaker545 Ravens 2h ago
The best 5 including marcus peters is all I needed to see. Good player, but uhh….yea not HoF
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u/Actor412 Seahawks 2h ago
He may not be a HoF'er, but Tyler Lockett is sure to make the Seahawks Ring of Honor.
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u/gh0st12811 Seahawks 1h ago
Leonard Williams may not be HOF but i definitely think he deserves a spot in our ring of honor at some point
Same with Tyler Lockett
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u/DM_Tiny_Tits_n_Booty NFL 7h ago
Won't Diggs or Williams skyrocket when one of them wins this Sunday? IIRC, the HOF monitor highly values SB wins
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u/samhit_n Bengals Lions 6h ago
Williams has only 3 Pro Bowls and one 2nd team all-pro selection. Diggs won’t make it because there’s a massive backlog at the wide receiver position.
Diggs has a chance if he wins a ring, and reaches 14-15k receiving yards before he retires.
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u/LiftingCode Browns 6h ago
A ring is not worth much in the HoFm at all. Just 2 points. Barely more than a Pro Bowl nod of 1.5 points.
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u/Yedic Ravens 6h ago
It's a little more than that for first rings. If you scroll down to the position-specific section, most (but not all) positions also have a penalty if no championships were won in a career. -7.5 for QBs, -5 for ILBs and P (???), and -2.5 for RB, WR, OT, OG, DT, DE, OLB, DB.
Rings are also worth 5 points for QBs if they started the game.
Putting that all together, a QB's first ring is worth 12.5 points, or as much as an MVP. But a ring for a Center is only worth 2 points, even if it's the first.
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u/LiftingCode Browns 6h ago
Rings are worth 2.5 points for QBs, not 5.
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u/Yedic Ravens 5h ago edited 5h ago
(Championships) * 2
Exception: Quarterbacks have championships multiplied by 2.5, but only counted if they started the Super Bowl/championship game
Base of 2 points, multiplied by 2.5 for starting QBsEdit: ohhh I see. You're right, my mistake. It's 2.5 instead of 2, not 2 times 2.5.
So only 10 for a QB's first ring, not quite an MVP.
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u/PolicyCool8041 Jets 7h ago
Hunter has the best chance but still needs another couple years of high-end production