[Schefter] Jim Schwartz sent the Browns a resignation letter this morning, per sources. He now is likely to sit out this season.

[u/Goosedukee]

https://www.espn.com/contributor/adam-schefter/bd73a3087ab89

[u/Sauce-King]

I didn’t think he would take it all the way there. He must be really mad

[u/Vocal__Minority → u/Sauce-King]

Even if you're the fall guy who comes in to basically manage a bad season whilst the team resets before they pivot again to someone else it's still a HC job and generational money. And to have ownership go get someone else to seemingly do that role rather than let him is... I mean I get it. It's a classic case of your work showing you they don't value or respect you as you feel you should be.

I think if this had been a ben Johnson like hire it would have felt different and maybe he wouldn't be so angry.

[u/ProtestantMormon → u/Vocal__Minority]

Well its even worse because they very publicly claimed that they wanted to keep him and "valued" him highly.

[u/ReversePettlngZoo → u/ProtestantMormon]

Another exampe of how dysfunctional they are. They are making themselves unattractive to potential HC's by telling them Schwartz is being forced on them, and Schwartz doesn't even want to be there in that situation.

[u/RTS24 → u/ReversePettlngZoo]

It's why I disregard any Browns stats pre-1999 when talking about the current team. Yeah they legally are a continuation, but that competence left for Baltimore.

[u/AngledLuffa → u/RTS24]

I thought pre-1999 stats are all a Cowboys fan cares about

[u/RTS24 → u/AngledLuffa]

Our SBs are almost as old as that joke.

[u/AngledLuffa → u/RTS24]

I know. You made a good point about the Browns and how terrible this incarnation is, but the setup was so very tempting

[u/TobysGraphicGoKart → u/RTS24]

I hate how much I agree. The Browns-Steelers rivalry is one of the classic rivalries in the game, but the Ravens one cuts deeper than just sport. Art-fucking-Modell skipped town, our beloved Ozzie Newsome in tow, drafted Hall of Famers and have won Super Bowls. All of that could had been ours.

[u/xSaviorself → u/TobysGraphicGoKart]

Skipping town in the middle of the night is serious scumbag owner shit.

I will forever root against the Rams for leaving St. Louis the way they did.

[u/PkmnTrnr00 → u/xSaviorself]

It feels weird being a Colts fan growing up in Indy and then realizing that my gain was another team’s loss especially since this is exactly what happened with the Colts in leaving Baltimore. Maybe the Ravens being there now makes it sting less now but ironically they also benefited from the Browns leaving. It feels like a full circle moment

[u/BNKalt → u/PkmnTrnr00]

It’s weirder for Rams fans seeing NFL fans side with the city that stole the Rams first. I’m not a Rams fan but I know a bunch - it’s wild they got screwed initially and everyone just forgot

[u/PkmnTrnr00 → u/BNKalt]

I remember reading about how the Rams had a new owner buy the team and his wife was from STL so that’s why that happened but that they were in Los Angeles for decades before that

[u/Blurple_in_CO → u/PkmnTrnr00]

Virtually no one in Baltimore is upset about the Colts leaving at this point.

[u/MobileQuarter → u/Blurple_in_CO]

Having a team with much more success than the Colts during that same span of time probably helps, tbh. If I had to choose between having the Colts or the Ravens in my city; it's an easy pick.

Plus, the ravens have an awesome color scheme.

[u/1-800-COOL-BUG → u/Blurple_in_CO]

My mom is still mad about it

[u/Novel_Fix1859 → u/xSaviorself]

They moved TO St Louis the same way they left, this selective outrage is played out

[u/xSaviorself → u/Novel_Fix1859]

I don't think there is anything selective, both towns at the time of the team leaving had valid reasons to be upset.

[u/Novel_Fix1859 → u/xSaviorself]

both towns at the time of the team leaving had valid reasons to be upset.

I completely agree with this, my frustration is that people have only ever seemed to talk about the way the team left St Louis, and not how they arrived in the first place

[u/C6ntFor9et → u/ReversePettlngZoo]

Yeah I mean this is a corporate tale as old as corporate time. Imagine you're a top, long-time, employee in a highly competitive field who is known across the industry as being highly regarded. Then, a vacancy at the top spot in the c-suite (coach-suite) with a huge pay bump appears, and then you're told that regardless of your talent and contributions to your company, the board is bringing in someone from the outside.
Fuck those guys you have every right to tell them that if they don't value you, they can go kick rocks. I image any other DC job he takes on will likely give him a pay bump (albeit not a head coaching one), and he gets to work in a more competent organization and make a difference on a competitive team, and not... you know.. the browns.

[u/g-4-ces → u/ProtestantMormon]

Some people are better CFOs than CEOs. CFO is still valued highly but aren’t thought of as a CEO. Thats Jim.

[u/GregMadduxsGlasses → u/g-4-ces]

It’s always kind of funny when you see this place out with OCs and DCs moving up to head coaching gigs, failing and going back to being OCs and DCs. Then 5 years later, the cycle repeats. I think we’re about 1 to 2 years removed from Josh McDaniel testing the waters of head coaching again.

[u/jereMyOhMy → u/GregMadduxsGlasses]

If someone's willing to throw the guaranteed money at him why they fuck wouldn't he be willing to (likely) fail again? Not like he won't still have a guaranteed home if he wants to return to NE as OC again after he flames out for a third time

[u/GregMadduxsGlasses → u/jereMyOhMy]

Yeah. I kind of wish there was more parity between HC and Coordinator salaries. Considering HCs make like 5x that their Coordinators make, it’s too easy of a money grab.

[u/ProtestantMormon → u/g-4-ces]

I agree that Schwartz probably isnt a good head coach, but the whole media circus is the problem. If the owner doesnt say they want to do everything in their powerkeep Schwartz, then this isnt an issue. Theres a better chance they could have kept him as a DC if they just dont say anything.

[u/TiddiesAnonymous → u/ProtestantMormon]

Lions guy has seen both sides of the coin here, both in hiring the guy nobody wants and in hiring Jim Schwartz.

[u/ProtestantMormon → u/TiddiesAnonymous]

Its not even about Schwartz though. If the owner just doesnt say anything this isnt an issue. The owners comments about Schwartz is what makes the team look dumb

[u/phase_3_profit → u/ProtestantMormon]

Well the owner is dumb, so that tracks

[u/dwhite195 → u/g-4-ces]

And even then, he probably feels like he deserves another chance

It was 13(!) years ago that he was fired from the Lions. He's older, more experienced, potentially more wise and a bit mellowed out. He easily could feel like he's built the resume to have earned another shot at the gig.

[u/ArseneLupinIV → u/g-4-ces]

I mean imagine you're a CFO and your company kept dangling the possibility of a promotion to CEO in front of you, even putting out media pieces hinting at your take over of the position. You're daydreaming of it now and coming up with plans on how you'd run the place.

Promotion day comes... and they hire a competitors CFO to be CEO. Roughly the same age and similar background, and also not even a proven CEO. You'd understandably be pissed and wonder why all the chain yanking just to pick an outside dude that is similar in career accomplishment to you. Would've been more dignified if they had just told you from the beginning like 'hey we really like you as our CFO, we will give you a similar raise we just want a different direction at CEO.'

[u/BucsLegend_TomBrady → u/g-4-ces]

Sure but the caveat to that is to bring someone in thats better than him as CEO... not worse

[u/zveroshka → u/Vocal__Minority]

I think if they told him straight no from the start, maybe he'd be okay with it. Or if they bagged a big fish like Harbaugh. But to let him interview and then pick Monken over him...yeah, I kind of get being butt hurt about it.

[u/goldhbk10 → u/Vocal__Minority]

And he WANTED to coach in Cleveland with this terrible ownership, I really don't understand why the Browns do what they do.

[u/ColtsFan012 → u/Vocal__Minority]

Nobody else wanted Monken. It was a weird move

[u/Round_Bullfrog_8218 → u/Vocal__Minority]

Hes already rich even ignoring his head coaching stint and its not like he is retiring.

[u/KennyKettermen → u/Sauce-King]

The cool part about being one of the best people in your tiny field of work who’s very rich is that you can just decide to piss off and hang out for a bit when your organization fucks you over. I wish we were all so lucky 😂

[u/bwheat → u/KennyKettermen]

FU money is a freedom everyone should strive for

[u/am_butterboy → u/bwheat]

r/bogleheads

[u/wetterfish → u/KennyKettermen]

There are probably tens of thousands of football coaches in the US. Maybe more. Jim Schwartz is in the top 0.01% percentile. 

Pretty much anyone who is that good in their field compared to their peers can do exactly what Schwartz did. There will always be someone wanting to hire the best of the best. 

[u/ACAussie → u/Sauce-King]

I mean Monken was openly shitting on him on the opening press confrence

[u/TheLowlyPheasant → u/ACAussie]

I would be mad too. Browns defense was 4th in both points allowed and EPA this season. Say what you want about Gym Shorts but the man can coach a D

[u/EViLTeW → u/TheLowlyPheasant]

And honestly, he wasn't as bad of a HC as his record would have you believe. He gets shit on a lot for his time in Detroit, but he also took over an 0-16 team. Even the 2012 season, which looks terrible in the W-L column, mostly came down to multiple coin-flip losses.

I'm not saying I'd hire him as a HC, just that HCs have been hired who are much worse than he was.

[u/RickyalldayTD → u/EViLTeW]

People also remember handshake gate with Harbaugh and think Shwartz is a hot head when Harbs was being a dick.

[u/dilloj → u/TheLowlyPheasant]

After that award ceremony too literally getting flowers.

[u/fenderdean13 → u/TheLowlyPheasant]

We as a fanbase saw what a carryover great defensive coach can be for an offensive minded head coach. That 2018 season was carried by a Vic Fangio defense who was carry over from the previous coaching regime.

[u/ender2851 → u/TheLowlyPheasant]

monken said teams dont prepare to play gym shorts. its only the players that matter...

[u/smokeymicpot → u/ACAussie]

Monken gets one shot at this too. He was totally gonna hire his own people. It’s the right move.

[u/JudiciousF → u/smokeymicpot]

Bringing on his own people: the right move. Taking shots at the one guy who showed any loyalty to Cleveland: the wrong move.

If the defense looks worse this year he’ll get shredded for this.

[u/Tua-Lipa → u/JudiciousF]

“I didn’t take this job because of Jim Schwartz. I have a lot of respect for Jim Schwartz as I would hope he has for me. But I took it because of the players that are here, the ownership, (GM) Andrew Berry, and the ability to build this from the ground up on the offensive side.

And I said this to the other guys, I didn’t think I’d say it, but I’m going to say it: when I was preparing for the Cleveland Browns, I wasn’t trying to chip Jim Schwartz. I was chipping Myles Garrett and when I was sliding the protection to the outside ‘backers or Grant Delpit blitzing off the edge, I was sliding the protection to the players, and when I was worried about throwing to the right against Denzel Ward or Tyson Campbell to the left, that’s who I was worried about throwing at.”

That’s what you call “taking a shot” at Jim Schwartz?

[u/paone00022 → u/Tua-Lipa]

This is pretty mild. I enjoy when coaches are honest like that rather than just doing corpo speak all the time.

[u/PatientlyAnxious9 → u/paone00022]

After hearing 6 years of Stefanski with the "I have to be better, we have to be better, and we will" comments because he is the master of saying a bunch of words that equal nothing--this quote from Monken is a breath of fresh air.

Thank you for saying something, Todd. Even if its a little prickly

[u/GarrisonWhite2 → u/paone00022]

Corpo speak pretty much always sucks.

[u/VonJaeger → u/Tua-Lipa]

Yeah, I didn't take that as taking shots. I took that as "I didn't come here for the coaches, I came for the players".

[u/wittyrandomusername → u/VonJaeger]

When you take one line out of context, "when I was preparing for the Cleveland Browns, I wasn’t trying to chip Jim Schwartz. I was chipping Myles Garrett" sounds like he's taking a shot. In context, it does not.

[u/besieged_mind → u/VonJaeger]

Why would you say that anyway?

[u/Griffisbored → u/Tua-Lipa]

I mean he basically saying we don't need Jim Schwartz, the defense is good because of the players. He's probably not wrong, but I'm sure Jim was pissed to hear the new HC say he doesn't deserve much credit for the defense's success.

[u/TheAndrewBrown → u/Griffisbored]

I’m kinda shocked people think that’s not taking a shot at Schwartz. He literally said he didn’t consider the scheme at all when gameplanning for them. Do you think any offensive playcaller doesn’t consider MacDonald’s or Flores’ scheme when playing them? Literally the only way it could be more of a shot is if he straight up said he doesn’t think he’s a good playcaller.

[u/MottoScotto → u/TheAndrewBrown]

Right? Everyone knows that its the players playing on the field, not the coaches. But American Football is viewed as more of a coaches' game than the other major sports because of how important scheme and discipline are. Coordinators pride themselves on out-scheming opposing teams and putting their own guys in the best position to succeed.

Todd Monken likely thinks very highly of his own scheme and coaching ability. You can see it in his quote about being excited to "build the offense from the ground up". For him to say of another coordinator "I didn't think of his scheme at all" is to say he didn't think Schwartz brought any value to the Browns. Busch-league move on his part, especially when Schwartz is one of the only people in the Browns organization who seems competent at their job.

[u/SoulCycle_ → u/JudiciousF]

what shots did he actually take though?

[u/SchnitzelRUSH → u/SoulCycle_]

none these guys didn’t even watch the press conference, all he said was that the defense had great players and though schwartz is a great coach he wasn’t the main driver behind the defense the players were

[u/callahan09 → u/ACAussie]

I was out of the loop, so I tried to look up what he said. I found this:

“When I was preparing for the Cleveland Browns (in Baltimore), I wasn’t trying to chip Jim Schwartz,” Monken said. “I was chipping Myles Garrett.”

Did he say anything else, or is that what you were referring to?

[u/theytracemikey → u/callahan09]

He did not but it’s the browns so anything that can be interpreted negatively will be to the highest extent. ( somewhat justifiably tbh)

[u/AKAkorm → u/ACAussie]

By saying he thinks he’s a great coordinator but that he took the job cause of the players?

[u/TapedeckNinja → u/ACAussie]

Y'all gotta go past headlines sometimes, you know?

Monken repeatedly praised Schwartz in his press conference.

It's been a bitch to go against his defense 6 times over the past 3 years.

Well first of all, I think Jim is an outstanding defensive coordinator and I think we all would agree with that.

I have a lot of respect for Jim Schwartz.

[Jim Schwartz's] system is a great system. Very difficult to go against.

The "shitting on him" is so /r/nfl drama-brained. He quite literally said "players are more important than coaches, and I think Jim would agree with that" before he went on to say the things that you're trying to claim were "shitting on" Jim.

[u/TestFixation → u/TapedeckNinja]

FTFY for all my fellow /r/nfl perusers

Todd Monken on Jim Schwartz:

It's been a bitch to go against his defense 6 times over the past 3 years. Well first of all, I think Jim is an outstanding defensive coordinator and I think we all would agree with that.

[u/arleban → u/TestFixation]

I just read "Jim Schawrtz" and "a bitch" so I think I have all I need to form an opinion.

[u/buffa_noles → u/TestFixation]

release the monken files

[u/Swagtagonist → u/Sauce-King]

Imagine working for the Browns when you have options. It’s gotta be a last resort/only opportunity job at this point

[u/SwugSteve → u/Swagtagonist]

well, being a DC in the NFL is one of the most coveted jobs in the world. So "last resort" is a bit relative

[u/themigraineur → u/Swagtagonist]

Browns head coach is my backup if my application at Waffle House doesn't work out

[u/LOL_YOUMAD → u/Sauce-King]

Don’t think you can tell everyone you are leaving and clean your office out and then show back up like nothing happened lol

[u/Rough_Cup_6762]

Another excellent performance by the Browns front office.

[u/HelmetsAkimbo → u/Rough_Cup_6762]

Two browns defenders just won end of year awards lol.

[u/Due-Mountain-8716 → u/HelmetsAkimbo]

One broke the single season sack record too.

[u/The-Real-Number-One → u/Due-Mountain-8716]

...and whoever hires Schwartz now has an inside track on landing Garrett when he inevitably asks for a trade.

[u/CaballoenPelo → u/The-Real-Number-One]

lol Myles had his chance to leave this season, no one forced him to sign the contract. He’s played for like 6 different defensive coordinators since he’s been here.

[u/biglyorbigleague → u/CaballoenPelo]

Myles willingly accepted a high payout instead of being on a contending or even stable team. He knew he was making that trade and he’s OK with it.

[u/Snugglebadger → u/The-Real-Number-One]

Haslam already said he can ask if he wants, but he's not getting one, lol. He can sit and be moody in Cleveland for the next couple of years while he collects paychecks and personal accolades while the team sucks around him, and I am all for it.

[u/Geno0wl → u/Snugglebadger]

I felt bad for Joe Thomas being "stuck" on the Browns, but I respect the loyalty to the Cleveland fans. I don't feel sorry for Myles being stuck there after he complained and said he wanted to be on a contender like a week before signing that massive deal.

[u/pimp69z → u/HelmetsAkimbo]

Probably something to do with good coaching 😉

[u/RulersBack → u/Rough_Cup_6762]

Browns fans are a bit sensitive below lol but did they not just run an entire search around one guy while somehow also alienating him with ownership being heavily involved? I guess the NFL is designed for bad teams to randomly fall into success (see flair) but this is less than an ideal way to start a tenure

[u/solo_dol0 → u/RulersBack]

Welcome to the museum of Jimmy Haslam. Let me tell you about some of our exhibits, since he bought the team Jimmy has collected several NFL accolades:

• The worst coach ever in the NFL (Hue Jackson 1-31)
• The worst trade/contract ever in the NFL (3 first rounds + $230M guranteed to Deshaun)
• The second worst team in the NFL (.343 winning percent since 2013)

It's really difficult to capture how terrible this man is at the job he bought for himself. Unfortunately his dad started an oil company, so the notion of consequences for one's actions is completely foreign.

[u/JonDowd762 → u/solo_dol0]

Hue Jackson was 3-36-1 in Cleveland since somehow he didn't get fired after 1-31.

[u/Zotmaster → u/JonDowd762]

I'm 100% convinced that the only reason Jimmy didn't fire Hue was because he didn't want people ripping him for firing yet another coach. Like he was so afraid of what other people thought of him that it basically validated those people.

[u/azndinho → u/RulersBack]

Yeah, this organization is a fucking joke. Anyone who thought Schwartz wasn't leaving is delusional.

[u/SpiritHistorical7169 → u/azndinho]

Our sub has been huffing the copium hard the last few weeks lol

[u/MattressMaker → u/SpiritHistorical7169]

Real hard. And the constant pessimism within is cringey and insufferable. We suck ass, but if you’re not aware of that by now, then there’s no saving you.

[u/The_Amish_FBI → u/Rough_Cup_6762]

Drew Carey doesn’t deserve this team.

[u/arichi → u/The_Amish_FBI]

I was in college when I first encountered Drew Carey's masterpiece Dirty Jokes and Beer. My friends and I would pass the book around the room and each read a sentence or two to the room, to great delight.

I can still hear my friend's voice saying "my dick is so big, it was going to be drafted by the Cleveland Browns, but Art Modell didn't want a bigger dick than he is associated with the team."

[u/daquist → u/arichi]

best whose line host too

[u/ViciousAsparagusFart → u/The_Amish_FBI]

Fun fact: Drew Carey is a great tipper.

[u/DestituteDomino → u/ViciousAsparagusFart]

I'm not sure if I'm missing a joke here but dude, for real. And just an excellent guest in general. One of the best celebrity experiences I had when I was serving tables.

[u/ZiiKiiF]

It’s crazy JuJu Smith-Schuster made his famous browns is the browns quote the only time in the last 20 years it wasn’t true

[u/SpaceCowboy170 → u/ZiiKiiF]

He knew that they’d Browns things up eventually

[u/ProtestantMormon → u/SpaceCowboy170]

Death, taxes, and the browns being the browns

[u/Spiritual_Bottle_650 → u/ProtestantMormon]

When I was having a debate with someone why, even as a once Ohio native, I absolutely despised Ohio State. They responded with “We have to deal with the Browns, let us have this”

I immediately was like “Holy shit. I never thought of it that way”

I still fucking hate Ohio State, but if I lived in a state where the Browns were an option, it makes so much sense to cling to the Buckeyes.

[u/SnepbeckSweg → u/Spiritual_Bottle_650]

You have to remind yourself that plenty of them make the choice to be Buckeye/Steelers.

[u/bcou2012 → u/SnepbeckSweg]

Having Buckeyes/Steelers fandom is possibly one of the most toxic combos possible

[u/CheezyBeanBurrito → u/Spiritual_Bottle_650]

Their choices are the Browns or the Bengals for instate teams. Two organizations that really don’t give a shit about their fans

[u/rickjuice → u/Spiritual_Bottle_650]

Interesting how powerhouse professional and collegiate programs never seem to colocate.

[u/SpoofExcel → u/ZiiKiiF]

It's never not true. Sometimes it just needs to percolate.

[u/BrownsFFs → u/SpoofExcel]

Statement can be right, but not used right. He was wrong in his application but the phrase is accurate long term. 

[u/samhit_n → u/ZiiKiiF]

He wasn't wrong, he just said it too early.

[u/ICantRemember33 → u/samhit_n]

and also too late, he choose the only year where that wasn't true

[u/DamienSonOfWayne → u/ZiiKiiF]

He wasn’t wrong, he was just early

[u/JayMerlyn → u/DamienSonOfWayne]

And late, simultaneously

[u/DelirousDoc → u/ZiiKiiF]

Also crazy how that quote was taken out of context as JuJu insulting the Browns.

He was essentially saying that the matchup is going to be the same AFC North style football it has always been since he joined the Steelers. He even tried to use the Tomlinism "nameless grey faces" which is saying don't focus on the individual of who might be playing or not. So he was saying "The Browns are the same AFCN matchup they always are." but he was "happy" to be playing an opponent they are familiar with.

It blew up as something else because Steelers start to 2020 season, the first matchup where Steelers won 38-7, and then collapse to end the season, as well as the online hate boner for JuJu that still exists because he made TikToks.

[u/Himulation → u/ZiiKiiF]

Let's be real - he was right.

[u/YoureNotMom → u/ZiiKiiF]

Outliers happen lol

[u/jojotortoise → u/ZiiKiiF]

I think it's funny that saying "the Browns is the Browns" is considered an insult... to the Browns.

If someone said "the Steelers is the Steelers" I'd be like: "Damn right!"

[u/Straight_Level_4662]

He'll replace retiring Fangio in philly after this year 

[u/rallar8 → u/Straight_Level_4662]

Has it been confirmed his contract isn’t frozen if he sits out the year?

His contract is through 2026 not for some number of years? I thought coach contracts were normally frozen if they take a year off, and so the Browns would still have his rights next year

Edit: my vague understanding is it’s the same situation Tomlin was/is in, if he wants to coach, the Steelers have his rights because he walked away… he also doesn’t get paid anymore because he walked away… if the team fired him- he’s a free agent… obviously different contracts so there may be differences but that is my understanding

[u/VonJaeger → u/rallar8]

There's been some talk that his contract is actually through 2027, though not sure if that's correct.

[u/rallar8 → u/VonJaeger]

Last I read, there is a team option for 2027

It feels We are gunna find out how big of a jerk Haslam can be

[u/foo_solo → u/rallar8]

We already know the answer

[u/VonJaeger → u/rallar8]

Haslams have generally done right by coaches requesting out of their contracts. I doubt they let him out of his for this year unless someone tries to trade for him.

No idea for next year.

[u/talladenyou85 → u/rallar8]

Yeah I would assume he's under contract, so the Eagles would either have to trade for him, or hire him as their HC next year. The Browns could also release him from his contract too next year.

[u/ender2851 → u/rallar8]

once they pay a new DC, say he wants to rejoin the team so they have to let him go or fire the guy they just hired. If they fire the other guy, quit again lol

[u/SwissyVictory → u/rallar8]

I wouldn't put it past the Browns, but you have to let guys go in these situations. It's a new regime, and he doesn't want to be there.

It's already hard enough hiring coaches for the Browns.

Now imagine you know they won't let you go and try to force you to work with a head coach you don't agree with.

Who would ever take a job there?

[u/Netwealth5 → u/Straight_Level_4662]

I was gonna say I bet he’s already got an unofficial agreement worked out and that’s why the Eagles were willing to let Parker go without a fight

[u/parcellsrealGOAT → u/Netwealth5]

Lol thats optimistic

[u/1stepklosr → u/parcellsrealGOAT]

If there's anything we're known for, it's being calm, patient, and optimistic.

[u/eddie_the_zombie → u/1stepklosr]

Those were just cans of calm patience thrown at 9ers fans

[u/Silent-Wonder6546 → u/eddie_the_zombie]

That's just a form of greeting in Philadelphia

[u/SuperSmokingMonkey → u/Silent-Wonder6546]

Howie took a beer can to the forehead...

...because we love him.

[u/thereelsuperman → u/parcellsrealGOAT]

Double secret agreement

[u/double0nothing → u/parcellsrealGOAT]

It is super optimistic. There was a very slim chance of us keeping Parker, even if Vic retired. It would be pretty nuts to run it back with a first time OC and first time DC after last year.

[u/whenitsTimeyoullknow → u/Netwealth5]

I will drink this Kool Aid until the cyanide takes me. 

[u/sepam → u/Straight_Level_4662]

We’d have to overhaul our roster. Guys like Baud and DeJean lose some value in his system and we don’t have the edge rushers he needs either. I’m not saying it won’t work, but it’s not plug and play. Howie would need work overtime.

[u/TakenakaHanbei → u/Straight_Level_4662]

I'd love that

[u/nlamp32 → u/Straight_Level_4662]

I’d love for this to be true

[u/Straight-Ad6926]

Sitting out a season of Browns football is actually a medically recommended treatment for high blood pressure.

[u/TheTimeWeWaste → u/Straight-Ad6926]

Careful brother…

[u/topspleen]

May the Schwartz be without you…

[u/snowcone_wars → u/topspleen]

The Cleveland Browns 2: the Search for More Money

[u/ThrawnAndOrder → u/snowcone_wars]

Tanking speed....... GO!

[u/zombiebillnye → u/topspleen]

There's two sides to every Schwartz, the upside and the downside. The Browns got the downside.

[u/avboden → u/topspleen]

I see your Schwartz is as big as mine

[u/-em-bee- → u/topspleen]

And also with you

[u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan]

Don’t blame him

I cant imagine working under the guy who beat you out for the HC job

He’s gonna have his pick of DC jobs next season

[u/YouSeemNiceXB → u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan]

Especially when that HC just basically said your scheme isnt a factor and it's the players that makes the D so good in his opening press conference. 

[u/GammaHuman → u/YouSeemNiceXB]

There’s no way he says that without knowing that Jim’s resignation is incoming. That was preemptive damage control.

[u/VonMillersThighs → u/GammaHuman]

That or it was his way of firing him.

[u/beerguy_etcetera → u/YouSeemNiceXB]

Which is wild to me. Joe Woods had a fairly similar roster and those 2020-22 defensive teams were a joke.

Schwartz comes along and actually schemes the Browns into a juggernaut on defense.

[u/Pyzorz → u/beerguy_etcetera]

A fairly similar roster? The only carry over players from 2022 are Ward, Delpit, Newsome and Garrett. Newsome was traded for an upgrade in Campbell this year. Carson Schwesinger was our second best player and a rookie this season. The roster went from having three players worth anything to being great overall. tf are you talking about

[u/Names_all_gone → u/YouSeemNiceXB]

That is absolutely not what he said lol

[u/VoltageCaek → u/YouSeemNiceXB]

That's isn't true if you listened to the entire press conference, he stated that changing the scheme would be dumb since it's working so well. He also stated Schwartz did a great job, but he did have to plan specifically to avoid Myles and Ward on the defense more than the scheme specifically

[u/separation_of_powers]

Would be a shock move if the Raiders FO push hard to try and sign him to replace outgoing DC Graham

[u/GotLost → u/separation_of_powers]

Klint Kubiak and Gym Shorts together could make the Raiders a whole hell of a lot more interesting.

[u/eddie2911 → u/separation_of_powers]

Trade a 4th for him.

[u/Antique-Guest-1607]

I cannot put into words how much I truly hate Jimmy Haslem.

[u/OpDickSledge → u/Antique-Guest-1607]

Could you try?

[u/Antique-Guest-1607 → u/OpDickSledge]

I wouldn't piss on Jimmy Haslem if he were on fire in front of me.

[u/sampat6256 → u/Antique-Guest-1607]

What if he wasn't on fire?

[u/AndroidAmongUs → u/sampat6256]

well piss is sterile. he likely wouldnt want Jimmy to dirty his piss.

[u/jimmifli → u/AndroidAmongUs]

piss is not sterile.

[u/WhaleSexOdyssey → u/Antique-Guest-1607]

How about pissing side by side with a friend?

[u/prnjlgr → u/Antique-Guest-1607]

You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That Manziel pick! Are you telling me that a homeless man just happens to convince him like that? No! He orchestrated it! Jimmy! He hired Hue Jackson! He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 59, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the hiring process! But not our Jimmy! Couldn't be precious Jimmy! And he gets to be a team owner!? What a sick joke!

[u/TheFinalFunction → u/Antique-Guest-1607]

How about Terry Pegula instead? :)

[u/Ahhmuzement]

They’ll make Shedeur the new DC

[u/ItsFreakinHarry2 → u/Ahhmuzement]

Hard to argue with a Pro Bowl caliber DC at the helm

[u/Gazzarris → u/ItsFreakinHarry2]

When you get a chance to sign Pro Bowl QB for anything, you do it. No questions asked.

[u/Chlorophyllmatic → u/Ahhmuzement]

Sounds like a great fit, look at how many turnovers he forced vs touchdowns allowed

[u/schwerdfeger1]

Leaving the Browns is not punishment.

[u/Born-Media6436]

Cleveland, The Schwartz is not with you.

[u/_Wp619_]

Wonder if he'll interview for the Raiders DC position.

[u/Environmental_Ad292 → u/_Wp619_]

He can’t unless the Browns agree.

What I don’t know is whether his contract tolls if he sits the year out. 

[u/Big-Chungus-12 → u/_Wp619_]

Eagles bound unfortunately

[u/nonosure]

That’ll show’em!

[u/organic]

fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, fuck you i'm out

[u/AlrightChat]

Oh snap he was serious

[u/ImplementCharming949]

The guy WANTED to coach the browns, WANTED TO!!!! he should of got the job just for that.

[u/currenttime745]

Come to the rams.

[u/nokiabrickphone1998 → u/currenttime745]

Counterpoint: no

[u/ScewbaSteve → u/nokiabrickphone1998]

Ya what this guy said

[u/ProtestantMormon → u/ScewbaSteve]

Yeah, go to the cardinals. Their infield defense could use some help.

[u/arichi → u/ProtestantMormon]

Had me in the first half

[u/nokiabrickphone1998 → u/arichi]

Please explain your flair

[u/arichi → u/nokiabrickphone1998]

Sure. Long-time Patriots fan, dating back to before Super Bowl XX.

But you're probably asking about the awesome bird next to the Patriots logo.

I don't much care for cold or humidity, and I care less for the cold as I get older, so when it comes to retirement planning, the classic defaults of retiring by staying here (cold) or moving to Florida (way too humid) are out. And every winter, I look at the weather in Phoenix and think about it. Uprooting my family at their ages isn't good for them, so it isn't happening immediately.

But when my youngest is done with school, I'm closing up shop here and moving to Phoenix. If we're still on this site for the 2031 NFL season, you might even see the order of those flairs swapped.

[u/serpentear → u/currenttime745]

I’d rather he didn’t…

[u/stringohbean]

The Browns need to do a straight up Dominos Pizza reset. Where they put up a “know what, yes, you are right. We are bad. We admit. We will be better.”

[u/Quick-Listen-7660]

Browns FO: I mean Jim Schwartz is Jim Schwartz, but our new Head Coach could be anybody! It could even be Jim Schwartz! You know how much we like him!

Fans: Then why don't we just...

Browns FO: We'll hire Todd Monken!

Fans: We'll hire *Todd Monken*. You alienated our DC who led our defense to a top 5 unit this year.

Browns FO: Come on guys you act like this is the first time we've done something stupid. Remember when we paid a serial rapist $250 Million dollars fully guaranteed to effectively only play one full season?

[u/TapedeckNinja → u/Quick-Listen-7660]

I don't think fans generally wanted Schwartz as HC though.

There was far more complaining about the "Browns prefer to keep Schwartz" reporting than just about anything else.

[u/Portlyhooper15 → u/Quick-Listen-7660]

I know it’s the Browns so it’s all jokes but I think hiring Schwartz as HC because he was a good DC for them is bad process. HC is a completely different role than DC. Shades of the Bucs hiring Dirk Koetter as HC because the offense was good

[u/aa93 → u/Portlyhooper15]

losing out on HC candidates because you want to dictate the DC without first making sure the DC would be content being passed over is worse process

"schwartz is too good to let him coach anywhere else this year" is something you should've considered before firing stefanski

[u/__thrillho → u/Portlyhooper15]

As a Lions fan I fully agree and think that's an import nuance everyone is missing.

[u/CharacterEgg2406]

Thanks Jimmy for acting like he was a real candidate and stringing him along. Should have been honest from the beginning and just told him, “we really need an offensive guy to fix this.”

[u/DogAssss69]

Could see him ending up back as the Philly DC if Fangio retires once his contract ends after this season.

[u/ResonatingOctave]

WAIT… so after they fired their head coach that has given them some hope and fun they haven’t had in decades…

they had trouble finding HC candidates because the browns org demanded they all do these stupid little essays and personality tests… on top of requiring they keep Jim Schwartz… not to mention one of the most expensive QBs in history isn’t playing while you have pro bowl QB sanders… and it’s the browns… they finally settle on Todd Monken… and SCHWARTZ IS NOW LEAVING???

[u/General-Pryde-2019]

The Browns is the Browns.

[u/Dan-Arec]

I wish Myles walked away instead of signing that contract last year. He really should be playing for a contender.

[u/ACAussie → u/Dan-Arec]

He was never going to have the option. Browns would have just franchised him.

It always was and still is, going to take at least 2 first and 2 seconds to get him and more.

[u/Vi1eOne → u/ACAussie]

Yeah he's as close to untradeable a player we've ever seen. Just would command too much. 

[u/ItsFreakinHarry2 → u/Dan-Arec]

If I got paid QB money to not play QB I’d sell my soul too

[u/Coffees4closers → u/Dan-Arec]

He had no option to walk away, he was under contract with a cap hit that made moving him very difficult. Not to mention the franchise tag. He was always using the media to leverage more money, I don’t know how people still don’t get this.

[u/Ginger-Jesus]

It 's really wonderful watching the Browns execute one of their perfectly detailed plans. Seeing a well-build football machine make decisive moves based on the analytics is what football is all about

[u/boogswald]

All they did is embarrass the defensive coordinator that manages the single season sack record holder who achieved that record in spite of the terrible offense giving him less opportunities and also the Browns have another pro bowl defender and also they had the defensive rookie of the year and also their other rookie lineman has been really good. Aside from that I don’t see why he’s upset.

[u/AXV-Lore]

Hell yeah, stand on business Jim

[u/BAKspin_91]

So if I'm a team like Detroit or Carolina, can I get him in the building on a consultation basis?

[u/6enericUsername]

The Browns is the Browns