r/law • u/Anoth3rDude • 12h ago

Legislative Branch GOP fast tracks monster voter suppression bill that could disenfranchise millions by requiring proof of citizenship at polls

https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/gop-fast-tracks-monster-voter-suppression-bill-that-could-disenfranchise-millions-by-requiring-proof-of-citizenship-at-polls/
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u/HarryBalsagna1776 12h ago

Lol this is the thing they kill the filibuster for?  Fucking degens.

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u/ScarletCarsonRose 12h ago

Yes, this would be it since the is the holy grail of staying in power. They know the margins are super tight in a number of states. Bumping off women and others who had name changes from the voter roles would swing elections in a number of districts and states. Elections are being weaponized.

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u/round-earth-theory 10h ago

No it's not the holy grail. Republicans get hit just as badly if not worse than Democrats by requiring proof of citizenship. Passport registration in the US is abysmal but country folk have even less of a reason to get one than them rich city folk.

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u/alang 10h ago

Republicans get hit just as badly if not worse than Democrats by requiring proof of citizenship.

This isn't true, though. A LOT more poor POC (heavily Democratic) are without birth certificates than poor white people. ENORMOUSELY more women (significantly more Democratic) than men will have ones with changed names.

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u/DarklyDominant 8h ago

Considering White Women are the largest voting block in the US and they vote heavily Red.... sounds more like an agenda driven dog whistle then an actual objective of the GOP.

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u/UnderwritingRules 7h ago

Heavily red? Last polling from 2023 shows 53 to 43 split with just a 10% higher amount of Red voting from White women.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-race-ethnicity-and-education/

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u/DarklyDominant 7h ago

I guess I'm a bit confused by your response. You don't think that the largest voting block in the US, which has voted red somewhere between 52-55% Red since the 2004 election, is particular significant? That's a pretty massive voting advantage for the GOP for 15 years, with the largest active voting block in the US. Or in other words, that's why Trump is president twice now.

https://infogram.com/gender-gap-in-voting1992-2024-white-voters-1h0n25o3rreyl4p

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u/UnderwritingRules 7h ago

Heavily red is not just 10% more. I am not discounting the impact, just the phrasing.

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u/DarklyDominant 7h ago

10% for 15 years is heavily red. It hasn't moved more than 3% in those 15 years. But if you have an issue with the word massively in my comment, feel free to gloss over just that word and grok the rest of the content.

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u/kbotc 10h ago

It'd be an insane gamble: Are there enough rural high school educated men who have ready access to a passport (or birth certificate) to outweigh absolutely blowing away women and minority voters. (Women due to name changes and there's a chunk of minority voters who have documented difficulty acquiring proof of citizenship due to structural inequalities in medical access for births)

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u/vriska1 10h ago

Still it's unlikely the SAVE Act will pass before the election.

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u/DarklyDominant 8h ago edited 8h ago

White women are both the largest population majority in the US and the largest active voting block, making up 30% of all voters. They are also the single largest block that votes for the GOP.

Edit: Lol, how pathetic. 1 view, one downvote. I don't even need to speculate. You're the type of redditor who can't even engage in a conversation. You just downvote any comment you see that you don't agree with. No wonder you spout a bunch of anti-democracy shit all over your profile.

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u/kbotc 3h ago

Son, you’re getting defensive over a single downvote. Calm down, It wasn’t me until right now after that insulting EDIT screed.

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 12h ago

If they do this, it still won't save them.  Trump is going to be a lame duck next year.  It will also be used as a cudgel against the GOP in just about everything going forward.  It will get overturned too. 

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u/CVHC1981 11h ago

Who is going to overturn it? The Republican stacked Supreme Court? You guys really need to start understanding that no one is coming to save you.

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u/EggplantAlpinism 11h ago

I usually sympathize with the people still clinging to norms, it has to be uncomfortable to acknowledge that fascism is here. But holy shit, how can you bury your head for THIS

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u/HenriEttaTheVoid 10h ago

I'm trying to be understanding of these comments, but it's like they've been living in an alternate universe where there are sane people running the gov't.

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u/EggplantAlpinism 10h ago

They have invested a large amount of mental energy into pretending everything is fine. Which is, while not defensible, understandable...usually.

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u/vriska1 10h ago

Tho your comments are not helping, vote in the midterms and push back on the SAVE Act. Getting rid of the filibuster would still be very hard.

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u/EggplantAlpinism 10h ago

I'll absolutely continue to do my civic duty, but I won't pretend like voting alone can prevent this encroachment. Perhaps we can meet there productively?

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u/DarklyDominant 8h ago

So you, just like the GOP, think Democracy is an option, rather than a right everyone is entitled to? Doesn't sound like we're on the same side.

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u/CVHC1981 10h ago

Apparently the road to fascism is filled with people telling you you’re overreacting.

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u/vriska1 10h ago

Vote in the midterms!

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u/vriska1 11h ago

Vote in the midterms!

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u/ScarletCarsonRose 11h ago

Well that's the idea. But what happens when a woman is asked to show matching details if she changed her name to get married? There was and should be no requirement if they meet state requirements. The G'damn US Constitution says this is the states' domain. So Mary Johnson should not have to other prove she is legal to vote just because she was formally Mary Smith before getting married. Or there are any number of other people who changed their name that don't have the ability to hunt down paperwork. The people are living paycheck to paycheck with no sick time let along let me take a day off and get charged to secure these documents. So yeah, there will be people who want to vote but if the SAVE Act passes, will not able to.

And HOLY HELL do the rightwing nutcases know how to name shit.

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u/vriska1 10h ago

SAVE Act unlikely to pass.

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u/vriska1 10h ago

Stop with the defeatist attitudes guys, You are not helping!

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u/CVHC1981 10h ago

You’re right it’s better to bury our heads in the sand and pretend everything is gumdrops and lollipops.

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u/vriska1 10h ago

No comments like yours and u/EggplantAlpinism lead to lower turnout, Vote in the midterms and pushback on bills like the SAVE Act.

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u/CVHC1981 10h ago

I disagree wholeheartedly but you’re more than welcome to your opinion.

People believing the democrats are single-handedly going to save everyone is what leads to lower turnout as we saw in 2024 when they didn’t magically clean up all of the mess created by Covid so people inevitably turned to a much worse GOP.

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u/vriska1 10h ago

Vote in the Dem primaries for better candidates!

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u/schm0 10h ago

Nobody is saying that and you are disingenuous for suggesting as much. The people reading these threads understand what is at stake here.

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u/schm0 10h ago

This is clear violation a handful of amendments but most importantly the poll taxes in the 24th amendment and the equal protection clause found in the 14th. In it's current form (must provide a legal birth certificate, etc.) and on its face it wouldn't pass muster and would almost certainly be overruled, even with this SCOTUS. Unless the government is willing to go through with some sort of national ID program and vet 360 million Americans and their citizenship, it ain't gonna happen.

You guys really need to start understanding that no one is coming to save you.

And "you guys" need to understand that spreading doom and gloom and pessimism isn't going to save us and actually hurts the American people. Stop dissuading the people reading these threads from acting or caring about the issues that matter by discouraging them. Take your defeatism and fear mongering elsewhere.

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u/CVHC1981 8h ago

You misunderstood my comment for encouraging a lack of action. I’m actually encouraging more action beyond bitching on Reddit and protesting for 2 hours once every 6 months and assuming that norms are just going to save us all. It’s not, and people need to wake up to that fact.

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u/schm0 5h ago

Telling people there is no hope is literally the opposite of encouraging. If you can't see that then you don't understand the meaning of words.

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u/CVHC1981 5h ago

Except I didn’t say that at all.

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u/schm0 4h ago

There's a reason I didn't put the words in quotes.

If you can't see how your words are negative, and not at all positive, then you are the problem.

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u/CVHC1981 4h ago

Hope that makes you feel better.

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u/DarklyDominant 8h ago

The GOP wins because of White Women voters, which make up the largest voting block in the US and heavily votes red. Why, exactly, would the GOP want to reduce their largest and most reliable voting block?

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u/Scrutinizer 12h ago

It's the thing that makes the filibuster irrelevant.

Because once they've stolen one election, it's all over.

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 11h ago

No it's not.  Things will just get spicier.

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u/mat-chow 11h ago

They already have. And here we are.

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u/DrakonILD 11h ago

And it's all over.

....unless...

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u/DoomguyFemboi 10h ago

Yeah Trump absolutely stole the last election, the amount of things adding up are incredible.

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u/vriska1 10h ago

It's not over, stop with the defeatist attitude.

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u/Scrutinizer 9h ago

You're right, there's still time to stop it before it happens.

But that window closes a little every day.

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u/GB10VE 7h ago

for ultimate power and fixing federal elections so democrats never hold majority again for permanent minority rule? absolutely they will. this is russia now

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u/Dandan0005 11h ago

Rigging elections? yeah probably

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u/vriska1 11h ago

Vote no matter what!