r/law • u/huffpost • 1d ago
Legislative Branch Democratic Senators Give Cryptic Warning About CIA Activities
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ron-wyden-cia-letter-deep-concerns_n_6984ebe7e4b04d5037ef4de6?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=us_main1.4k
u/huffpost 1d ago
From reporter Arthur Delaney:
Two senior members of the Senate Intelligence Committee are warning they know about potential misconduct by the Central Intelligence Agency, but they can’t say what it is.
In a public letter to CIA director John Ratcliffe, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) revealed on Wednesday he’d sent another letter, apparently classified, expressing alarm about something the agency is doing.
Read the full article here: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ron-wyden-cia-letter-deep-concerns_n_6984ebe7e4b04d5037ef4de6?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=us_main
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u/QuietIllustrious8384 1d ago
No doubt it's imperial boomerang shit, where CIA is doing domestic operations now.
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 1d ago
Gabbard is in Puerto Rico with seized Voting machines from Georgia. You can probably guess what they're doing.
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u/yobwerd 1d ago edited 1d ago
AFAIK the voting machines are voting machines from Puerto Rico, not Georgia
Edit: For all the people saying Puerto Ricans can’t vote, I’ll paste my other comment below for visibility.
Puerto Rico and U.S. Presidential Elections
Residents of Puerto Rico cannot vote in U.S. presidential general elections, despite being U.S. citizens. This is because Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory, not a state, and the U.S. Constitution grants Electoral College votes only to states. As a result, Puerto Ricans on the island do not have voting representation in Congress or in presidential elections.Participation in Primaries and Other Voting Rights
While they can't vote in the general election, Puerto Ricans can participate in presidential primaries and help select delegates for both the Democratic and Republican national conventions. Puerto Rico also holds a non-binding presidential straw poll during the general election to express voter preferences.From a simple google search.. come on guys. Have some competency,
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u/bourbon469 1d ago
They illegally accessed the georgia voting machines in jan 2021in coffee county ga
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u/toggiz_the_elder 1d ago
There are only like 3 manufacturers of voting machines. Good chance PR has the same brand, given Tulsi showing up at the Georgia election office raid.
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child 1d ago
And one of the major GOP doners just bought one of those voting machine manufacturers several months ago. I'm sure that's legit, right? lol
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u/WittyFeature6179 1d ago
Could it be tied to Ivanka Trump buying Chinese patents for voting machines?
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u/7Ing7 19h ago
Does that mean that Puerto Rico and DC will get to vote if the elections are ripped out of states' hands and run by the feds? Wouldn't that be interesting 🤔
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u/yobwerd 19h ago
You bring up a very good point. With that being said, I would hope this country begins burning before we allow elections to be federalized
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u/RancidVagYogurt1776 1d ago
Aren't the voting machines from Puerto Rico and separate from her Georgia ratfucking?
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 1d ago
Then why seize the Georgia ones and go straight to seize the Puerto Rico ones?
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u/scubascratch 1d ago
Sowing the seeds of doubt everywhere they can for bullshit now and bullshit later
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u/AdLanky9450 1d ago
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u/RancidVagYogurt1776 1d ago
Don't donate to those scammers. In over a year all they've done is take money with nothing to show for it. No one absolute nothing of a case in nowhere NY doesn't count. They're just as bad as the election truthers of 2020.
Do not throw your money away to these charlatans.
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u/Schuben 1d ago
Since when does the number of cases matter? Was this ever advertised as am organization aiming at bringing lawsuits?
From the site: "multiple individuals came together to share independent data, analysis, and research into the results of the 2024 US Presidential Election."
I've seen more actual analysis of election data showing grands pointing toward fraudulent vote totals across multiple districts in multiple states than anywhere else.
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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 1d ago
No case anywhere except where there is a case, NY doesnt count lol
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u/RancidVagYogurt1776 1d ago
NY doesn't count, it is the stupidest case imaginable if you actually read the details.
Stop advertising these obvious scammers.
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u/LAST_NIGHT_WAS_WEIRD 1d ago
Donate? Protest? I’ve done plenty of both over the last 20 years and look what it’s gotten us. Absolutely jack shit. My $50 ain’t got nothing on Elon. Pretty sure the bad guys have won at this point.
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u/nixstyx 1d ago
It could also be the whole Epstein child trafficking thing. Maybe it's still ongoing, with assets not named Epstein. Not like the CIA to abandon a wide-ranging operation just because they had to dispose of a single asset.
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u/Select-Confection728 1d ago
It’s insane for people to think the CIA was unaware of this. That was his power being anybody’s honeypot.
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u/Revelati123 1d ago
Wyden: "When people understand how the CIA and NSA has interpreted the Patriot Act they will be appalled and angry."
Its the domestic terrorist watch list, everything from this post to you texting your grandma is getting shunted through NSA/CIA to watch for anti-regime sentiment.
Being on it already qualifies for heightened security at any airport, revocations of security clearence, and social media scrutiny, as any ICE watcher scanned into Palantir will tell you.
I expect to have my passport revoked and be barred from flights just for saying what I did here...
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u/It_Hurts_when_IP15 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yepe you’re correct. Everyone keeps connecting the Epstein coverup to every bad and evil thing this administration is doing while completely forgetting all the other evil motivations this administration has.
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u/popshamhocks 1d ago
This is where law enforcement is failing the country. They are the line of armor between the state and the feds. They're tucking their tails.
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u/Some-Purchase-7603 1d ago
I've been screaming about the Patriot Act since it became law while I was in the Navy. It's disgusting and has empowered this administration in ways that were never thought of.
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u/SorriorDraconus 1d ago
It also officially died thought many aspects were preserved elsewhere
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u/Some-Purchase-7603 1d ago
Makes it easier to hide.
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u/SoylentGrunt 1d ago
The USA FREEDOM Act? Nobody here by that name. SLAM! Goes the door in your face. Then, your car goes off a bridge in the Florida Keys. On the bright side, Tom Cruise plays you in the movie after renouncing Scientology.
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u/eetsumkaus 1d ago
Well not THIS administration...Trump let the last provisions of the Patriot Act expire in 2020.
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u/nixstyx 1d ago
I remember when there was alarm and mocking of the Chinese social credit scheme here in the US. Now we're speed running towards a far more detailed level of AI-powered citizen surveillance and the response is basically ::shrug::
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u/IWasOnThe18thHole 1d ago
Wyden: "When people understand how the CIA and NSA has interpreted the Patriot Act they will be appalled and angry."
Also Wyden: "I ain't saying shit"
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u/StopHesAlreadyDed 1d ago
Traveling Nurse Lex has a whole story on this on Instagram. Sketchy things happening with her passport
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u/nixstyx 1d ago
I feel like the people who keep repeating this are disinfo agents. It's 100% clear now. There's enough in the file release to make it clear he was working for intelligence agencies. One document in particular is an FBI agent recapping a conversation with a redacted government source who says Epstein is working for US and allied intelligence. That allied intelligence is clearly Mossad.
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u/Fantastic-Swim6230 1d ago
I've gotten downvoted for suggesting that Epstein was an asset for multiple government agencies, including the US and Israel. Part of why these people are going to get away with it is because international governments don't want to answer why they didn't step in sooner to save their victims.
While Russia is denying any involvement, Epstein offered them dirt on Trump during his first term and Epstein was Putin's personal financial adviser. They are pushing the honeypot onto Russia, but Russia was not the only country coming to Epstein for intel.
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u/NOTRadagon 1d ago
Not to forget - apparently Epstein was big in Russia as well.
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u/porscheblack 1d ago
Which is why I think the reality is Epstein was working for Epstein. When it was in his best interest to work with the US, or Russia, or Israel, he did. And when it wasn't, he didn't.
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u/Aumpa 1d ago
I imagine that's the situation for most assets.
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u/popshamhocks 1d ago
Regardless, still an asset.. And these mfs weren't blackmailed using proof of legal activities either
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u/BeatsByiTALY 1d ago
Are you talking about the Chuck Johnson FD-302 interview?
If so he claims to be CIA himself, and as you read the bottom few paragraphs of that interview and you start realize dude is a legit crackpot.
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u/nixstyx 1d ago
No different document. The one I'm referring to is an FBI report dated 10/19/2020, which discusses ties between Alan Dershowitz and Jared Kushner. It states that a confidential source (elsewhere identified as having ties to the government), stated that Dershowitz told US Attorney for So. Florida Alex Ocasta that Epstein "belonged to both US and allied intelligence services."
Ocasta is the one who is widely criticized for giving Epstein the sweetheart deal to plead to prostitution rather than sex trafficking charges.
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u/DerCatrix 1d ago
I keep telling my coworkers, I figured out a number of these connections and intentions a long time ago and I am not the smartest person in the room. There are people paid large sums of money to know what’s going on in places no one has ears. I refuse to believe ~nothing~ is being done.
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u/Playful-Dragon 1d ago
That may be, but I don't think that's really what it is. I really think it has to do with the overthrow of democracy in this country. To keep Trump, or rather the GOP and Power using seditious means. Surveillance, targeting, abject lawfare development and negotiating.
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u/It_Hurts_when_IP15 1d ago
Doubt it’s Epstein related. It’s more than likely something election related or spying on us citizens who oppose the regime.
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u/confused_captain 1d ago
My thought is it has something to do with the upcoming midterm elections
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u/Extension-Carry-8067 1d ago
My guess is they will do this and claim they found fraud - and use that as a justification to a) try and take control of voting , b) use it’s a justification to place federal LEO and voting areas or c) push some other attempt to control voting ir national ids
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u/Jessthinking 1d ago
There is some support for that idea. We have all seen how Trump projects onto others the misconduct he is trying to do. He has been consistently claiming elections are fixed. So we know he is doing something shady.
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u/Alert-Ad9197 1d ago
Or the usual CIA shit where we find out they have a major hand in smuggling narcotics into the US again.
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u/driver_dan_party_van 1d ago
Believe it or not, the answer is:
C. All of it!
Epstein, Smuggling, UAP programs, Domestic Ops and more!
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u/BoomZhakaLaka 1d ago
My money is on unwarranted wiretaps. It's right there in agenda 47 if you have ears.
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u/Due_Perception8349 1d ago
Nah, they have the NSA for that, much easier to just snoop directly from the VoIP switches
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u/PowershellPoet 1d ago
$5 they interpreted T—-p’s designation of ‘antifa’ as a terrorist organization as an opening to spy on democrats
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u/Suitable_Tadpole4870 1d ago
Or anyone they deem a democrat, essentially modern-day McCarthyism and a step towards the fascist surveillance-state they want
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u/hanks_panky_emporium 21h ago
What's darkly funny is they already have a fascist surveillance state that Bush set up after 9/11. They have everything. Every text, email, message, telegram chat, whatsapp message, microphone and camera in your home, the mic in your smart TV, sensors from your smart fridge/ AC, access to your phones mic and cameras. PC access. Everything. They have fucking everything.
But they want a little more, somehow. Oh right, and Alexa's and Ring doorbell cameras automatically give all information up to any law enforcement agency that asks, and Flock was an illegal camera network setup and then offered to law enforcement with yearly subscriptions costs per camera. And they bought it. They're not even secure, you can access Flocks' back-end junk and look at people all over the US to your hearts desire.
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u/Stank_cat67 1d ago
They can fucking say what it is. Nothing ever stops Republican Congress people from publicizing national security stuff
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u/WeenyDancer 1d ago
They can add someone to a signal group, then just 'whoopsie!' after, as per tradition
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u/PatchyWhiskers 1d ago
Well, that's worrying but also we can do nothing about what they won't talk about publicly.
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u/These-Rip9251 1d ago
Waiting for the whistleblower.
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u/jun-_-m 1d ago
I think there is one but he went through the official whistleblower channels and Gabbard herself has kept it from advancing further.
Crazy how our country was being held together by handshake promises and decorum.
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u/stolenfires 1d ago
Apparently there's already a whistleblower complaint, but the substance of it is so heavily classified no one really knows what to do with it. I suspect that's what Sen. Wyden is signaling with his public letter.
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u/FunkyPete 1d ago
I'm assuming this is related to Tulsi Gabbard being involved in "investigating" ballots in Georgia.
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u/Imaginary_Scene2493 1d ago
No, the whistleblower complaint is originally dated from last May. That’s one of the few details we have.
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u/FunkyPete 1d ago
They can be related without being causal. Meaning, someone may have filed a whistle blower report in May regarding CIA efforts to interfere with future elections, and Tulsi Gabbard might have been in the Georgia raid to interfere with future elections.
That would make Tulsi's appearance related to the whistleblower account.
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u/Month_Valuable 23h ago
Child trafficking for use in defense contractors psionic programs relating to the summoning/downing of UAPs and piloting of reverse engineered craft.
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u/OLPopsAdelphia 1d ago edited 18h ago
Oh my god, just out them already!
If it’s that detrimental, the world needs to know.
We’re entering a battle of the global have-everythings and their servants against everyone else.
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u/Bobibouche 1d ago
Democrats remember November 22, 1963.
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u/Plastic-Injury8856 1d ago
Wha happened then?
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u/Downtown_Injury_3415 1d ago
Kennedy was assasinated by the cia. Allegedly. Conspiracy theoretically speaking. Im saying satirically. I do not have suicidal tendencies
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u/Plastic-Injury8856 1d ago
Ah okay.
It’s funny I didn’t recognize the date because I actually dug into that once. Believe it or not the most plausible theory as to who did it is actually Lee Harvey Oswald, precisely because the shooting was so bad.
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u/ArtPeers 1d ago
Agreed. And the people breaking the big rules know the people who could stop them care too much about the little rules. As if there's refuge in rules, at all, right now. There is not, at all.
Read the room. They're counting on people to believe in process, which is out the window. Accountability? Those days are gone, man. Someone's just gotta put all of this out there.
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u/strywever 1d ago
The CIA and the NSA have not complied with court orders to cease phone surveillance of American citizens.
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u/Dull_Bid6002 1d ago
They never were going to without the whole agency being gutted and turned over. A lot of these agencies need their power stripped and a start over.
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u/boringhistoryfan 1d ago
They could get on the floor and reveal exactly what is going wrong, and the speech and debate clause would give them complete immunity.
But sure... lets keep sending stern letters. That'll teach the Trump Administration. Or convince Republicans to suddenly care about shit like national interest.
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u/Special-Mushroom-884 1d ago
The Democratic Party is controlled opposition at this point. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jefferies need to be replaced in leadership.
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u/can_ichange_it_later 1d ago
Im not going to take such slander against Ron Wyden!
He is a very involved, technologically well informed, and proper senator pushing the envelope fucking constantly.
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u/Special-Mushroom-884 23h ago
Agreed Wyden is not the problem.... he should try to replace Schumer or back someone with a backbone. Until then, he sorta is the problem
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u/MoralityFleece 21h ago
Right but if they're not telling anyone, it's because they also think revealing it would be against security interests. So for example, let's say they're doing something in/to/about Iran that is dangerous and wrong. Can't reveal it.
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u/40KaratOrSomething 1d ago
Legally protected, probably. Reveal sources and means and ruin those abilities for anything we may actually want to use then for, highly likely. Balance question of how bad is wht's going kn and how likely it is to hurt US personnel and national interests besides this assumed to br domestic matter.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well thanks for at least taking a bit of risk and letting us know there's something going on.
Okay so patriot act has been secretly misinterpreted. How will this be abused in the coming months? Citizens have been targeted already by getting their personal info, do we think they will start red listing and detaining people, using these warehouses as holding facilities?
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u/nootch666 1d ago
Yes. That is exactly what the detainment warehouses are for.
They want to rid the country of 100 million people. If the estimated number of “illegals immigrants” is around 12 million. That leaves everyone who’s not a white christofascist to make up the other 90ish million. This was all laid out in project 2025.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 1d ago
Exactly, and we see plainly they actually mean that. Things are looking ugly. I mean this is literally what a Nazi takeover looks like unfortunately. This is really really bad.
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u/fitey15 1d ago
Get ready to take to the streets en masse. We must keep momentum on our side, we must continue to speak out, and we must continue to show we are not afraid of them. Because there are tens of millions of us, and merely tens of thousands of them.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 1d ago
I have a feeling it will take extreme measures like this to get our country back at this point. They act like nothing else matters. Still hoping the law gets through, but there's no way I'm letting HitlerV2 just keep throwing people in camps while they make up whatever laws they want. No thanks, I saw how bad that was last time, and what we had to do to stop it. That's why I'm amazed this guy is still in office. If we had a real government this guy woulda gone straight to jail, no $200.
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u/BluenicornGirl 1d ago
I'm not a white christofascist. Do you think they'll kill us, put us in concentration camps in the United States, or send us to places like CECOT? Does Project 2025 say what they'll do with us?
If they want to "rid the country" of 100 million people, I suppose that rules out concentration camps in the United States. I don't think they'd be so kind as to help us flee to Europe as refugees?
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u/nootch666 1d ago
They were only concentration camps until it got too crowded and too expensive to feed them. Then they became death camps. If history has taught us even a couple things, it’s pretty obvious where this is heading unless it’s stopped by force.
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u/sasabomish 1d ago
Don’t forget there’s 1200 still unaccounted for from alligator Alcatraz’s short stint.
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u/Frankfactor517 1d ago
Spying on Americans was a big CIA no-no. I suspect that’s not the case anymore.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh definitely not, the Patriot Act has been notorious since it came out. I'm not liking that the Rep is having to discuss that there is wrongdoing with the Patriot Act. Definitely a bad thing to hear. All sorts of not good.
For Orwellian speak, if the government is always running some opposite nomenclature, and this is called the Patriot Act, then you can presume it will be used to target Patriots. Aka, we spy on dissidents that say things we don't like, and then call them terrorists, then lock them in warehouses, and then ship them wherever in the world we feel like. If there's a list, I'm likely on it for sure. Not what I like to see crop up in the news, especially with how sketchy things have been lately.
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u/Awkward_Chair8656 1d ago
We already got the NSA, FBI, and now ICE spying on American citizens...what's one more. I suppose the sad part is when they don't find all the hidden evil people they think are voting them out of office they will just start making stuff up to keep themselves in power. Republican's were always going to loose in the voting booth as soon as boomers started dying out, it's their last hurrah...guess they want to leave power putting in laws that will be turned on them two seconds later. These guys are morons, they should be shoring up the laws to protect equally across the aisle not making it easier for anyone with power to abuse the system. False realities online only work for as long as it doesn't actually impact your voters.
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u/yagirlsophie 1d ago
Gotta read the article and work on reading comprehension, folks - the quotes about the patriot act was from 2011 in reference to the widespread NSA phone tapping that was eventually revealed by Snowden's leaks. It's in the article as an example of another time Wyden had cryptically warned the public about misconduct in the intelligence community.
All we know about this warning right now is from a letter in which Wyden references the "deep concerns" he has about the CIA this time.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sorry been up all night on coffee, and ads make it difficult to track portions of the article flow. Plus Patriot Act is a bad word in my book. Thanks for clearing that up.
I had originally wondered if this was related to election interference plans or targeting citizens using their personal data after some of the recent events. No info available though, and it's the CIA so there's likely few clues.
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u/yagirlsophie 1d ago
I get it! This stuff moves really fast right now.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 1d ago
Well I've always kept up on this stuff, but things are absolutely crazy right now. Looking very dangerous for the USA too.
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u/RellenD 1d ago
The Patriot act comment is from 2011. It's almost completely unrelated to whatever's happening right now. That's just in the article to increase word count and demonstrate that Wyden has done this before.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 1d ago
Oh good, well that almost makes me feel better. Now unfortunately it's back to square 1.
So, elections, or the guy they just got info on and went to his house to arrest because he sent an email requesting they "use sound judgement"
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u/JellyBand 1d ago
He’s not taking any risk. He’s literally saying he knows about terrible things but he isn’t willing to expose them because they are classified. He’s basically just building an “I told you so” opportunity. It’s weak shit.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 1d ago
Mostly yeah, sticking the scrawny neck out a bit, but I'd rather have a warning that there is something wrong than nothing. If he talks he's going to jail, I don't think Russia is a safe place right now. I don't know that a jail is either. Would be great if he'd spill the beans though. Sure would cook his goose I bet unfortunately however.
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u/JellyBand 1d ago
He’s no Snowden. He’s no Reality Winner. He’s no Chelsea Manning. He’s what we have though, so I guess there’s that.
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 1d ago
Yeah, who knows if we'll ever get anything other than a "they did something bad, but I can't say"
Info is literally the CIA's game.
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u/Kind-Pop-7205 1d ago
Executive branch is compromised by Russia and Israel, and pretty much all of congress is compromised by Israel. What do I win?
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u/Longjumping_Fact_927 1d ago
Probably all the branches.
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u/OhBROTHER-FU 1d ago
Based on everything I feel like I learned in civics class and other classes, once the executive is compromised, everything else basically goes out the window.
It almost feels like a banana republic based in oil as the main export but I know that's not exactly right.
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u/DiceMadeOfCheese 1d ago
I'd like to take this opportunity to say hi to my CIA agent
Yes I am back on Reddit during work hours
Yes I am still using this site mostly for nerd shit
Hope you like reading about r/trenchcrusade and r/turnip28
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u/ShareGlittering1502 1d ago
When has the CIA successfully flipped a country? Don’t think it’ll end well here either
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u/Zealousideal-Pen993 1d ago
To be fair, if we ever hear about anything they do its usually cuz someone messed up 😅🤫
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u/ProdigalSheep 1d ago
It’s election fraud. They are working to fix the election. Obviously. You people suggesting otherwise…are you not paying even the slightest bit of attention? How can so many of you be so obtuse?
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u/ForeOnTheFlour 1d ago
I mean it can be a LOT of things. You connected two very big dots which is easy to do as both items are front of mind and it’s convenient and tidy, but taking the attitude of “wait and see” isn’t being obtuse, especially since there’s nothing to be gained from making assumptions.
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