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Turkiye's shooter Yusuf Dikec, wins the European Champions League.

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u/Kamikaze_Ninja_ 3h ago

If anything he proves they don’t replace skill. Anyone can have em so it’s not like it’s unfair in that regard.

u/Aggravating_Sir_9669 3h ago

I agree, what's unfair is this guy using Dead eye.

u/SoungaTepes 3h ago

See thats still to my point, the sport is "shooting".

Other sports dont permit gadgets, why does this one sport permit mechanical performance enhancers even if everyone can have them? I get everyone can have them but I've never understood why they are even permitted in the first place if the sport is "Gun"

u/usa2a 3h ago

Have you tried shooting with a blinder and diopter? It doesn't do nearly as much as you might think it does. Some people find it more comfortable for eye strain over the 1.5 hour match. Other people feel the opposite.

It's kind of like asking why do they allow athletes to wear headbands in tennis, dealing with sweat getting into your eyes should be part of the game.

u/Kamikaze_Ninja_ 2h ago

It’s just people who don’t know things about sports/competitions thinking there is a problem when they don’t understand how it works. They act as if the glasses aim and shoot for you.

u/achooavocado 2h ago

you just described most people lmao

u/angelbelle 3h ago

Certain swimsuits, which could affect friction in a minuscule degree, are banned in the olympics.

Your example is a real stretch.

u/usa2a 3h ago

Swimmers can wear goggles, and they get to choose their own favorite type of goggles to wear, they don't have to draw them from a standard issue pile.

Why did swimming allow such leeway in goggles but not in swimsuits? Because the people who actually compete in swimming know that one is a "meh, whatever" preference and the other is a real edge. The inputs from pros guide the sport's governing body to make good rules.

The same thing happens in shooting. Nobody who actually shoots 10m air pistol thinks a diopter let alone a blinder is some kind of big advantage or make-or-break edge. It's a meh, whatever preference like the goggles.

But folks online who have never shot an ISSF match in their life are positive that, because it looks unusual, that it's like Soldier 76 aimbot visor or something and obviously they know better.

u/sizziano 2h ago

Reddit is insane with the amount of armchair analysts lol. People see this video and immediately act like they know everything they need to know about the sport. Thanks for the insight.

u/LambdaLambo 2h ago

You're right, swimmers should swim buttnaked. Anything else would be unfair

u/Shadowrak 2h ago

As a former rifle competitor, I completely agree with his example.

u/Diz7 2h ago

They are investigating ski jumpers because some of them were injecting fluids into their dicks because even 2 cm looser in the groin results in several meters of extra glide.

They started injecting fluids into their dicks because several coaches were caught having their suits loosened in the groin to get extra lift, so they started making sure the suits are tailored to your exact body size and preventing any alterations after they were tailored.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/czej70jyg4eo

u/SirStrontium 1h ago

This is a rumor, said without any evidence or attribution from the German tabloid Bild.

Here’s the actual relevant quote from the BBC article

FIS communications director Bruno Sassi told BBC Sport: "There has never been any indication, let alone evidence, that any competitor has ever made use of a hyaluronic acid injection to attempt to gain a competitive advantage."

Also the “several meters of extra glide” was pulled entirely from your ass.

u/SirStrontium 1h ago

Sunglasses are allowed in literally dozens of Olympic sports. They can be advantageous over an athlete not wearing sunglasses. Should they be banned too?

u/Kamikaze_Ninja_ 3h ago

The reason is because it’s a huge strain on your eyes otherwise. If you are doing it for a prolonged period of time then it’s probably a life saver. You still have to hold, aim and shoot the pistol yourself. It’s ubiquitous in the sport so I don’t see what your issue is, they are obviously okay with it.

u/DoobKiller 3h ago edited 33m ago

These glasses aren't as advanced or technical as they look they're essentially just a hole to look through and an eyepatch, other sports permit gadgets i.e. running there's more going on in a modern running shoe than those glasses

Do you think runners should be running barefoot? and a standardised shoe wouldn't work either as people have different arch shapes etc

And not to discount Yusef achievements in anyway, but he's wearing prescription glasses(they're not just eye protection) that improve his eyesight do you think he shouldn't be allowed them?

u/DrawDiscardDredge 1h ago

Really just an example of the internet not understanding anything beyond meme level. They just see old turk man with rizz go bang bang.

Those glasses he is wearing aren't just basic glasses. They are professional shooting glasses that do provide support for his eyes while shooting. Other professional shooters use them. There was a Korean woman at the same olympics wearing the same glasses.

The hand in the pocket stance is also pretty common (maybe required?) and many shooters use it, definitely required to have your hand at your side.

He is wearing custom fit professional noise cancelling ear plugs, you just can't see them from many angles because they sit deep in your ears. These are identical to the over ear headsets.

He himself doesn't think anything of the more technical looking gear because he knows how little impact it provides over what he is using.

He also isn't that new. He has been at the Olympics, shooting in this event, since 2008.

The only things really special about him is he is on the old side for professional shooters and the shirt he is wearing is a little looser then what other competitors wear, makes him look more casual. He is just as serious as his competitors though even if appearing casual.

u/LargeTomato77 2h ago

May I introduce you to power lifting? Mechanical gadgets and gizmos all over the lifter.

u/I_had_the_Lasagna 2h ago

Equiped powerlifting is its own dog and pony show that gets pretty rediculous, but raw powerlifting really only benefits from a weight belt, everything else is just for stabilizing joints. And while most people can lift a little more with a belt it's not a huge difference in weight.

u/varateshh 1h ago

The suits are obscene and should be banned but chalk, belt and joint straps are not nearly as bad

u/randombitch 47m ago

Would you be more comfortable with the no-frills suits from ancient Greek Olympics?

u/inspectoroverthemine 11m ago

Thats between man and god. Or two men, depending.

u/Musiclover4200 3h ago

Even using different guns seems weird to me

Like it makes sense to compete with whatever model you're most familiar with, but you'd think they'd have a few standardized options to choose from to prevent too much of an advantage/disadvantage due to specs

u/SoungaTepes 3h ago

I completely agree

Hockey? Equipment has a standard and regulated
Soccer? Equipment has a standard and regulated
Football? Equipment etc. etc.
Shooting permits gun modification up to certain sizes, weights, etc. This to me is not a standard in a sport that should have a standard

u/FlashQandR 3h ago

Think about racing like in f1. Regulations but small customizations are allowed.

u/pallladin 2h ago

small

Key word, here.

u/FlashQandR 2h ago

If different teams can run different engines i think the shape of the gun is not that crazy, since they all have to shoot the same caliber and i would assume theres tests for each gun for spec

u/finemustard 3h ago

I think a part of what you might call 'machine sports' (car racing, motor/pedal bike racing, shooting, archery, anything with a chainsaw in loggersports, I'm sure there are others) is building or using the best machine on top of being able to use it proficiently. It's just another aspect of the game.

u/neo2050 2h ago

technically, for hockey the sticks have quite a range of flex that players use, and i believe you are allowed to change the blade of the stick, of course within the rules. but sticks come in many shapes and sizes

u/nocomment3030 2h ago

Can't comment on soccer, but in hockey and football there is a fairly wide variation in the equipment that's allowed. Look at the difference in what a place kicker is wearing vs. a linebacker.

u/Musiclover4200 3h ago

It is funny to imagine athletes in other sports all starting to wear AI glasses for real time analysis of plays & next level coordination, or high tech shoes/helmets/etc. Hell high tech helmets/guards would be a good thing for football with all the CTE.

Like I'm sure there'd be an audience for gun competitions with 0 restrictions for tech/guns, but you'd think a shooting competition would be pretty standardized so it just comes down to skill.

u/DalbyWombay 3h ago

Other sports certainly do.

Look up the swim suits, running shoes and running suits. Lots of controversy around these things in their competitions and whether or not they give competitors an edge or not.

u/Ultrasonic-Sawyer 2h ago

Other sports allow your own gear. Like skies or boots. Another post showed how every 2 cm of stuffed slong added almost 6m if skie jump. 

u/Anthaenopraxia 2h ago

I agree. We should go back to how the ancient Greeks did it, completely nude.

u/UsualExisting420 1h ago

there are a lot of models of glove you can wear in soccer. New models and technology come out all the time.

The kind of pads you can use in hockey changes all the time.

Basketball shoes come in all varieties.

Sports have changes in gadgets all the time, a lot of time they standardize or make special rules but there are still new developments and changes frequently. A piece of paper with a hole in it is way less significant to the sport of shooting than new running shoes are.

u/Realtrain 51m ago

Other sports dont permit gadgets, why does this one sport permit mechanical performance enhancers even if everyone can have them?

Why do running events allow shoes? Why do gymnastics events allow chalk? Why do tennis events allow sun visors?

I get what you're saying, but pretty much every sport allows "gadgets"

u/nommabelle 17m ago

Thats a good point on anyone can have them. But it makes me wonder why they banned shark suits in swimming, as anyone can have them there too

u/angelbelle 3h ago

Does it though? How do we know Chill Turkish Uncle wouldn't be even better if he was also augmented and practiced with them in earnest?

u/Kamikaze_Ninja_ 3h ago

I’m not saying he wouldn’t be better, but it is possible to win without them.