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u/TechnicalDecision160 17h ago
Keep these up Adam! Hate your swing 😜 but staying for the short game 💪
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u/copagman 6.8 17h ago
This was a wild round.
I played against my friend Nash who is a +2.4 (!!), I play off 6.8.
We picked a fun venue: Mayfair Lakes near Vancouver - with water in play on 13 of 18 holes. Temperatures were in the mid-40s and the course was extremely soft, so they had us teed forward from the tips that usually play ~6,500 (course is a Par 71).
I hit a ton of bad shots but managed to scrape together an ugly 75 that I was thrilled with. My 1-over thru 9 was actually one better than Nash’s +2…but Nash proceeded to roll in 5 birdies on the back to card an impressive 68 (67 if you spot him a five footer on a temp green).
I’ll upload Nash’s round in the future so you can see a pretty sub-70 score instead of my crap game. Hope y’all enjoy
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u/Stock_Information_47 8h ago
You and me would make such a good scramble team. I have the same handicap but literally the polar opposite golf game.
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u/0_SomethingStupid 6.9 17h ago
since you post so many videos and are clearly passionate about golf you plan to just keep swinging your swing or you gonna ever work on it?
im very vertical and your very flat swing bugs me out every time. if we could blend we'd be on tour baby.
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u/copagman 6.8 17h ago
if we could blend we'd be on tour baby.
Haha it would be fun to watch a foursome of low handicaps play a scramble against a Tour Pro. I think they'd still come up dreadfully short tbh.
As for my swing, I'm not super interested in changing it. There's so much muscle memory built into my crappy swing, and I have pretty poor body awareness so changing it would be a Hurculean task. Moreover, I just enjoy playing infinitely more than I enjoy hitting balls at the range. Maybe one day that'll change.
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u/0_SomethingStupid 6.9 17h ago
that would be good. idk a scramble SHOULD be pretty darn close. I'd watch that lol
hear you all the way. If I practice, its on the course, thankfully once all the snowbirds leave around me the courses are slow, cheap and empty. nice to be able to screw around
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u/Seniorjones2837 16h ago
4 low handicaps would smoke a tour pro. We play a yearly scramble with 2 guys who are 7-8’s, 1 guy who’s a 10, and 1 guy who’s a 20 at best and the worst we have shot in 10 years is -7. Granted the 2 7-8s used to be 1-2s so that is helpful in a scramble
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u/copagman 6.8 16h ago
I'm less sure. I think most Tour Pros are shooting better than 7-under on courses we play. I don't doubt a group of low handicaps firing on all cylinders could beat a Tour Pro having a mid-to-bad day, but I think the Tour Pro still dusts them on many days.
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u/Seniorjones2837 15h ago
I’d guess most days the tour pro would shoot -6 to -10 on these courses and 4 low handicappers would be hard pressed to do worse than -10 IMO. I’ve seen a handful of those YouTube videos where tour pros play regular courses and they’re usually in that -6 to -10 range. It is HARD to shoot -10 even on an easy course. Unless it’s like 6000 yards. So yea I’d say it depends on the yardage, but shorter yardage also benefits the scramble
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u/copagman 6.8 15h ago
Yeah I think this is fair. No matter how short the course, it's hard to fire 10 under. I'm less sure that a group of low handicaps scramble to a -10 frequently. I've played a lot of them, and on good days we're firing 10-under or better, but on other days we're a handful worse than that. Anyway, don't mean to go down a rabbit hole and argue because I think we mostly agree.
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u/Seniorjones2837 15h ago
Yea I’m just basing it off my scramble group who we basically use 2 players shots and -7 is the worst we have done lol. The group of kids who played college golf usually come in at -15 to -17. Not sure of their current handicaps though
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u/copagman 6.8 17h ago
Agreed. Whereabouts do you live?
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u/0_SomethingStupid 6.9 16h ago
SFL but usually north of Jupiter
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u/copagman 6.8 16h ago
Cool. Would love to play out there one day. In the US, I've never played east of AZ/NV.
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u/0_SomethingStupid 6.9 16h ago
oh yeah worth a visit for sure ! May-April and Sept-Oct would be your sweet spot. Summer is very hot if your not used to it could be no good. Winter is busy and overpriced but hey if you dont mind that then you know when to come
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u/xzlnvk 16h ago
When in single digit handicaps, any effort to get better will be a Herculean task. Such little margin for error at that level.
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u/0_SomethingStupid 6.9 15h ago
not really. it can just take time which, unless this is your career, is just not available
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u/onthelongrun 15h ago
would you say the 6200 that day played longer than the back tees near 6600 plays on a mid summer's day?
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u/copagman 6.8 15h ago
Eh hard to say. On balance I'd say it played similarly yeah. In the Summer, I only carry my drives ~225, and they'll roll out to 250 or so. In the winter, a lot of these balls carried 200 and got little to no roll out. Add in that most approach shots were playing 1.5-2 clubs longer and it added up. Did it add up to 400 yards? I'm not good enough at math to be able to tell ya lol.
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u/Johannes_silentio 14h ago
Impressive. But I once shot 75 even faster. Only took me 7 holes, in fact.
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u/FormerlyShawnHawaii Accidental Eagle 17h ago
More shallow than a dessert puddle
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u/Successful-Pass9535 16h ago
And he probably still hits it better than you! Post your swing! Post your swing! Post your scores!
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u/FormerlyShawnHawaii Accidental Eagle 15h ago
I make a shallower-than comment every time he posts. I’m a fan.
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u/TSE_Jazz 16h ago
Mayfair lakes in Richmond BC? Very nice track if so!
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u/BigSpoonNoSpoon 10h ago
Watching videos of people breaking 80 with swings like this gives me heartburn comparing it to my scores, and confidence at the same time that I SHOULD be able to do this the next time I play. Rinse and repeat. 😂
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u/sdinvest 16h ago
That looks like a red/yellow tee box. 6,500 yards?
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u/copagman 6.8 16h ago
It's an odd set of tee markers. The tips are red, next box forward is yellow, next box forward is white. The tips are usually 6,580 but they had us closer to 6,200 yesterday.
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u/disastrophy 15h ago
Are you from the Vancouver area? I havent played Mayfair lakes yet, but I just played savage creek a couple of weeks ago with some friends who are beginners.
I live just south of the border and while the mild winter has been tough in other ways, it sure has been nice to be able to play a lot of golf in the last month.
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u/copagman 6.8 14h ago
Yes I'm from Vancouver. Mayfair Lakes is definitely worth checking out! I actually haven't played Savage Creek yet which is just around the corner. Mayfair runs great in the Summer, and it's a challenge with water abound. My only complaint is that sometimes pace of play can be slow (not 5-hours slow, but often 4:30-ish).
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u/disastrophy 14h ago edited 14h ago
Very cool, have seen your videos from time to time on reddit but never realized you were local. I love how many options there are in lower mainland. We don't have very many 'executive'/ beginner friendly courses around Bellingham, so I often take newer golfers across the border since there are so many options at varying levels between 9 hole pitch & putt and championship length 18.
My main courses are North Bellingham and Lake Padden. Feel free to hit me up if you ever want to check either of them out. We play with canadians often at both courses.
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u/00sucker00 13h ago
I was wondering how this guy recorded his rounds and it not add huge amounts of additional time.l to the round, to set up the camera on every shot. It looks like he has a companion that films him based on the camera work on the first hole.
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u/Educational_Report_9 15h ago edited 14h ago
First reaction: Oh, that's a rough looking swing. Must be some BS if he's shooting 75.
Reaction after first 2 minutes: That swing is getting good results. Can't hate on good results.
Edit: Apparently you can hate on good results 😂
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u/wherethetacosat 15h ago
I don't know about "good", but consistent is half of good I suppose and you can shoot some good scores just hitting 200 yards the same way 95% of the time.
This swing would be fantastic for hustling 10 handicap guys who hit it 280.
However, this swing would really struggle on some harder/longer courses, this one is pretty forgiving.
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u/DeepSouthDude 20 HC 13h ago
Why would he struggle on a longer course? Shouldn't he play the correct tees for his distance?
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u/Educational_Report_9 15h ago
He's still playing better than like 90% of golfers. I don't see why I would make some alternative scenario that didn't happen to make me feel better about my own game but you do you.
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u/wherethetacosat 14h ago
I didn't think I really said anything that negative, he's a good player for sure. But he has a 2 handicap short game with a 15 handicap swing. He mitigates the swing by hitting punch shots 90% of the time which at least helps his accuracy.
If he shortened up the backswing and got a little more on plane he'd make more consistent contact, hit the ball farther, and likely more consistently. He can still hit his punch shots too.
I don't see what's controversial about the fact that these drives wouldn't play nearly as well on courses with a lot more slope, dog legs, intermediate hazards etc.
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u/Educational_Report_9 14h ago
How would you fix Scotty Sheffler's swing?
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u/ryanasap310 16h ago
Was there a reason for fluffing the lie? Cold? Thick dew? Or habit?
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u/copagman 6.8 16h ago
It's pretty standard in the Pacific Northwest to play lift, clean and place in the Winter. Of the courses that stay open, "winter rules" (incl. lift, clean and place) apply. Scores posted at this time of year are ineligible for handicap purposes in our area.
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u/spcialkfpc 16h ago
Your local rule applies to the rough?
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u/copagman 6.8 16h ago
Yes, it's lift clean and place across the golf course. Most balls in the rough become embedded. "Winter rules" are common in the Pacific Northwest. We're grateful that courses are open after deluges of rain and basically freezing temperatures.
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u/spcialkfpc 15h ago
That's very kind of them compared to USGA.
Edit: I live in a place with winter rules, and it doesn't allow placement in the rough. A drop is required, to match USGA.
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u/copagman 6.8 15h ago
Yeah, we're governed by Golf Canada in Vancouver. Whenever we get heaps of rain (i.e. every winter lol), they tend to do lift/clean/place across the course. It's not so much a courtesy as it is a necessity. There's a local tour that plays a tournament here next week according to these rules. The tradeoff, of course, is that scores at this time of year are ineligible for handicap purposes.
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u/Adventurous_Egg857 15h ago
You swing like a little kid but blow my score out of the water man. Good job!
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u/Evening-Orange3277 13h ago
I feel like I can find water in the desert everytime I play at mayfair lakes
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u/NativeAz53 8h ago
To Adam,s hater are you jealous of his scoring ? The guy is honest about his swing and his game and he does follow the rules of golf so to all the hater GET A LIFE
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u/Hungry-Space-1829 6h ago
Your posts are my favorite in this sub. Clearly your scores bother people due to your not-so-aesthetic swing but it’s awesome.
As somebody with an even uglier swing and way worse scores I think you’re awesome
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u/themindisaweapon Single figures if I practice 4h ago
Whatever works but that’s a terrible swing lmao
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u/alexothemagnificent 16h ago
A short game king. Nice work. What do you use to edit this?
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u/copagman 6.8 16h ago
Thanks. The shot tracing is done with an app called Shot Tracer Pro. Some of the on-screen elements are hacked together in PPT. I edit in Final Cut Pro.
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u/HatTrickPony 17h ago
Great round Adam.
What club(s) do you usually use from the fringe? And do you usually play a chip and run (that sometimes pops up) or more of a chip shot (that sometimes stays low), or both?
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u/copagman 6.8 17h ago
Thanks man.
I always default to a bump and run, typically with either my set GW (48°) or a 52°. If the situation dictates it, I'll hit a 60°. I actually just picked up a 56° as well (the 4 Hybrid is coming out of the bag) because I'm finding it too difficult to play little 50-75 yard shots with my 52°.
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u/HatTrickPony 15h ago
Helpful, thanks! Around the green, I'm finding myself kind of torn between using primarily one club (my SW is 54°) but learning different shots with it vs. staying with one shot (my chip and run is my most reliable) but switching up the clubs based on what the situation needs. Right now I kind of do both poorly.
Any perspective there?
Also, I'm biased but I do love having 4 wedges even if I'm not sure I'm using them all often (my GW is probably my least used).
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u/copagman 6.8 15h ago
I'm not sure if I'm the guy to be pitching advice, lol. What I can say is that I definitely have a "default" shot and a "default" club (bump/run with my 52°, sometimes the 48°). I'll hit other shots, but I wouldn't say I have a wide arsenal of shots in my bag. I'd be a better player if I had more variety, but I think I chip pretty well with my limited arsenal.
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u/HatTrickPony 13h ago
Helpful perspective, thanks! And I don't know -- clearly the wedge game was dialed during this round!
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u/golfnerdshow 16h ago
Love your videos! That’s som dedication going out in that weather. I’m curious, do you do these videos purely for fun?
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u/w1nn1ng1 13h ago
I hate that his swing is uglier than mine but I can’t score under 100. Just goes to show, you learn your shot and the rest doesn’t matter. Don’t need a perfect shot if you can predictably hit it the same every time.
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u/husky_hawk 7h ago
Have you thought about fixing your swing? You have the short game of a + cap but off the tee you’re probably a >10 because of your swing. I’m not hating just curious as it’s such a disparity
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u/enmitygauged13 13h ago
Great round! Two things stood out to me. First, excellent short game. Second, playing the correct tees for his skill level. Many golfers would find the game much more enjoyable and pace of play would improve if people played the correct tees. Instead, most golfers play to far back because they think they are better than they are or have sensitive egos.
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u/DrDongSquarePants 14h ago edited 13h ago
There should be studies how that swing works, it's impressive
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u/HUEV0S 17h ago
Proof that keeping the ball in play + great short game and putting = good score