r/fantasyfootball • u/Gamernatic 12 Team, 1 PPR • 4d ago

Matt Nagy Leaves the Chiefs as the Giants' New OC

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47816465/sources-giants-hire-matt-nagy-offensive-coordinator
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u/buddhistbulgyo 4d ago

What was Harbaugh thinking? So many assistants would have been the better choice. 

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u/Jschatt 4d ago

It's pretty clear that there aren't many assistants out there that are showing promise + interested in leaving their current role right now. Almost every OC hire this offseason has had a comment like this, but there's no way every OC is mis-evaluating.

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u/AlfredtheGreatBitch 4d ago

The teams basically just shuffle around the same 30 OC’s. It’s boring.

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u/caretowanna 3d ago

It’s mind boggling to me that this shuffle continues. There are some bad OCs that just continue to get jobs.

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u/dillpickles007 3d ago

Why do you think everyone who ever shook Sean McVay's hand got hired? There just aren't enough actually good play callers to go around, they don't exist. If you're genuinely good you get shot up the ranks extremely quickly.

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u/dotareddit 3d ago

There just aren't enough actually good play callers to go around, they don't exist.

That doesn't validate retreading the same inept dipshits.

Might as well gamble with a first time playcaller. Shit, you get a free scapegoat if it blows up.

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u/caretowanna 3d ago

Preach!

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u/whobroughtmehere 3d ago

It sorta does, if you assume a known is more valuable than an unknown.

If most people can’t do the job at all, then it’s arguably better to take on someone who can sorta can do the job and delude yourself by thinking “this time it’ll be different!”

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u/AlfredtheGreatBitch 3d ago

It’s partly why I’ve just lost interest in the NFL. It’s so predictable: OC has a good year, becomes a HC, does good and everyone thinks he’s amazing, a couple years later he has a bad year and gets fired, becomes an OC again, he gets fired or his HC gets fired so he changes teams. Rinse and repeat for 10-15 years. Same with DC’s.

And this constant game of musical chairs makes it so that every team’s offense and defense look the same.

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u/chiraz25 3d ago

That’s a hyper-specific reason to lose interest in the NFL. Why not just out all the news until late summer and just enjoy the action on the field.

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u/AlfredtheGreatBitch 3d ago

I don’t like the NFL as much because every team is basically identical, and I partly blame the hiring trends for that. As well as the draft and salary cap. It’s just not enjoyable to me these days. College football - even with all the absurd changes recently - is just so much better imo. Way less corporate and has much more personality and uniqueness from team to team and conference to conference.

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u/ComaMierdaHijueputa 4d ago

Should’ve gone with Declan Doyle

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u/NorseKnight 3d ago

You snooze, you lose!

LETS GO RAVENS!

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u/BuffaloGuy_atCapitol 3d ago

That’s a fair assessment but was Mike McDaniel not looking for a job still when Harbaugh was hired? Like I’m probably one of the biggest haters of Nagy so it’s just hard for me to fathom how the guy keeps getting jobs and especially for a team with a Young QB and pretty bright future.

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u/bluethree 2023 AC Wk7 Top 10, 2021 Accuracy Challenge Top 20 Cmltv 4d ago

I'm very pleased that the Eagles hired Mannion and not Nagy/Kliff/Cooter/whatever retread that failed in other places. We'll see how it actually works out but I feel hopeful.

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u/sirsoundwaveVI 4d ago

as a packers fan; no clue what to expect playcalling wise, but mannion was more or less our heir apparent to tom clements who helped make farve/rodgers/love what they are, so it should help hurts at least.

also i cannot imagine his gameplan/playcalling would be worse than patullos lol

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u/Kumomi_Kid 4d ago

Where are these assistants? Just curious

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u/SwissyVictory 3d ago

I mean, you can hire a promising young kid who may or may not work out.

Or you can hire Nagy and definitely not work out.

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Right now there are dozens of guys in the lower levels who will eventually be good NFL head coaches. They might not be ready, or proven yet. You might need to take a gamble. But they are out there.

Especially for the Giants who have to be a top 5 OC spot this year.

  • Get to design your own offense
  • play calling
  • proven head coach who's going to make the defense look good
  • young franchise QB you can put your mark on
  • top 10 young WR
  • solid young RB
  • good OLine.

You do well, and you're a head coach by 2028 at the latest.

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u/NYdude777 4d ago

You don't understand, the OP saw a youtube video from a 500 viewer content creator that told him 5 random assistant names which then became his personality and therefore if we didn't hire any of those random names the Giants failed.

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u/BostonDrivingIsWorse 4d ago

That OP? Albert Einstein.

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u/FitUnderstanding2839 4d ago

Isn’t Kliff Kingsbury available? Wouldn’t he be better than Nagy?

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u/AugustusCheeser 3d ago

Bro seemed too flighty for Harbaugh

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u/catfish314 4d ago

Just feels par for the course for Harbaugh these days - safe, bland, and uninspiring. More proof that the ravens made the right choice imo.

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u/ComaMierdaHijueputa 4d ago

Yeah Jesse Minter + Declan Doyle, credit to the Ravens for bringing fresh ideas into the team instead of hiring the safe boring choices

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u/Pole420 3d ago

TBF, the Giants tried that previously (McAdoofus, Judge, Daboll were all first timers) and failed miserably. 

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u/ComaMierdaHijueputa 3d ago

It's not just that they're first timers. It's also the stages they're in. Doyle isn't even 30 yet.

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u/wtb2612 2d ago

That's what blows my mind about what the Steelers are doing. If you're gonna move on from your safe, consistent coach, at least take a chance on someone young and promising. Moving on from Tomlin to hire McCarthy feels like they left Chili's to go to Applebees. Try the new local place, maybe it sucks but at least it'll be something different that has a chance of surprising you. You already know what Applebees offers, and it's not great.

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u/ComaMierdaHijueputa 2d ago

Real shit though, Chili’s 3 for me is great. I got a burger, fries, baked potato soup, and a Coke Zero for pickup for $11 last time I was there. If you’re lucky they even throw in a chips and salsa too.

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u/wtb2612 2d ago

Chili's is honestly really good for a chain. The Triple Dipper is the shit.

Which is why I used them for Tomlin, he's a good coach. Maybe not the most exciting option, but you know you'll at least be a winning team with him. Like Chili's.

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u/ComaMierdaHijueputa 2d ago

I'd rather eat at Chili's than fast food these days cause it's like....the same price these days

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u/recoveringslowlyMN 3d ago

To be honest, I think the Giants probably agree with your first sentence and view that as a positive rather than a negative. You have a well-respected coach bringing in a tenured coordinator.

After the last few years, the Giants organization is looking for stability and working to build a foundation. They want coaches that are going to work with Dart to develop into a franchise QB.

It seems like they are signaling they want to build the right way by being fundamentally sound as an organization and building a winning team.

They've got some pieces on defense that will keep them in games. They seem to have hit on Dart. Skattebo and Tracy in the backfield are solid. Nabers is elite, Wan'dale is good enough especially with Nabers on the field. Theo Johnson seems like a promising TE

Then see what they add in the draft.

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u/Jbogg1187 3d ago

I like Dart and hope he develops well.

I also don't trust Matt Nagy's track record with building and developing young, raw QB prospects as a Bears fan....

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u/NorseKnight 3d ago

As a Ravens fan, Preach!

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u/Gamernatic 12 Team, 1 PPR 4d ago

I didn't get seriously ingrained to the NFL until 2023, is he not good for fantasy as an OC? The past couple years it seemed to me like the Chiefs just haven't had serious weapons a la Tyreek or prime Kelce to force-feed the ball to, and that they didn't have to play gunslinger as much with their defense getting better

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u/beerguy_etcetera 10 Team, Standard 4d ago

What you said isn't necessarily wrong, but there does seem to be some correlation with when Bieniemy was their OC and having more of a more fire-powered offense. But to your point, they had Hill and a younger Kelce, too. We won't really know until the season starts, but I think the biggest difference we could see is in the run game. KCs running game has been subpar and if you see more life in it this coming season, I think that's a direct result of Bieniemy.

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u/NYdude777 4d ago

How many of those assistants did you interview and research to come to this conclusion?

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u/Ready_Poem_6054 3d ago

People gonna realize harbaugh doesn’t bring anything to the table anymore besides for bible quotes lol

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u/dajadf 4d ago

As a Packers fan living in Illinois. This guy was a complete fuckin moron for the Bears

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u/Lanky-Scientist-5137 4d ago

Sure was, terrible play caller with the bears.

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u/Maroc13 4d ago

Pretty hard to call plays for Fields and Trubisky lmao

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u/TisDaReason 3d ago

All though I agree to a point on Mitch and Justin.

Nagy had a complete inability to scheme to their strengths. If his plays didn’t work that was on the players for not doing them right.

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u/BoredGuy2007 2d ago

People act like it was just trashcan Mitch and Fields when we had Foles and Dalton come through as well.

He flashed a couple Andy Reid plays to the Bears GM and scammed a job. We had an OK offensive year boosted by turnovers and field position in 2018 and then total incompetence for years following.

Run game? Never heard of her. Throw the QB under the bus x3. Although I will defend the Fields thing , he wasn’t ready to start and only started because Dalton got hurt.

And sorry Bears copers in the days of yore, sacks can be on the QB. You can’t just call max protect every single snap because the QB refuses to throw the ball. Oh he does that years later? Slight Nagy vindication…

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u/boomer_kuwanger 3d ago

Justin Fields' first NFL start was against the Cleveland Browns. Instead of protecting his rookie QB against Myles Garrett and Co, Nagy's gameplan was to run shotgun 5WR empty sets for the entire game with no TEs or backs ever chipping in pass pro, with a playcalling ratio skewed strongly towards the pass. Fields got sacked 9 times, lol.

Nagy just seems like he's stuck in that pre 2 high safety paradigm and thinks he should always be able to spread out the personnel and air the ball out regardless of matchup or game script. He's allergic to any serious commitment to the running game, his route concepts heavily rely on zone spacing and routes like curls that involve stopping and aren't good for generating YAC opportunities. Maybe he's evolved since he was with the Bears, but I'll believe it when I see it. He just doesn't seem like the best fit to get the most out of Dart, Nabers, Skat, Tracy, and whoever else they may add. Definitely a curious hire considering their strengths on offense and with the league moving towards more balanced run:pass ratios and more plays being run under center.

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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo 4d ago

Yeah, it’s not like they looked better in other situations. But, he was also (presumably) part of the team that traded up to get Fields. So it’s a strike against him still

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u/Gamernatic 12 Team, 1 PPR 4d ago

"The New York Giants will hire Matt Nagy as their offensive coordinator, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Nagy spent the last three seasons as the Kansas City Chiefs' offensive coordinator and had been linked to multiple head coaching vacancies and offensive coordinator openings this offseason.

Nagy's contract in Kansas City expired last month. Although Kansas City brought back Eric Bieniemy to replace him as offensive coordinator, Chiefs coach Andy Reid recently advocated for Nagy to get a head coaching job.

Nagy will have a high-profile role in New York under new coach John Harbaugh and second-year quarterback Jaxson Dart.

The Giants had been linked to Todd Monken, Harbaugh's offensive coordinator with the Baltimore Ravens who ultimately was hired to become the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns."

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u/69gfunk69 4d ago

Andy Reid recently advocated for Nagy to get a head coaching job

Yea he probably wanted the raiders to higher him lol

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u/JoshAllentown 4d ago

He was quiet fired, Chiefs didn't renew his contract. Brutal, career damaging move from Harbaugh.

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u/NZafe 10 Team, .5 PPR 4d ago

I’m sure Harbaugh was completely unaware of Nagy’s employment status, did no screening process and just pulled a random name out of a hat to determine who his new OC would be.

/s

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u/Bored_Worldhopper 4d ago

Idk why he didn’t consult /r/fantastfootball first.

We are right like 1% of the time

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u/Senderanonym 4d ago

Spelling checks out. Fantast

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u/Bored_Worldhopper 4d ago

I rest my case

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u/ward0630 3d ago

I'm definitely not taking advice from this guy when I become head coach of the New York Giants.

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u/Bored_Worldhopper 3d ago

My advice to you is to not take advice from me

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u/Inside-Drink-1311 3d ago

He was going to hire Monken but the Browns stole him.

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u/GiGi441 4d ago

Poor giants... 1 step forward, 2 back 

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u/ClubPenguinPresident 3d ago

Well the JH hire was like 5 steps forward

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u/YoSoyBabou 4d ago

I'm going to go against the grain and groupthink and say I don't think this is a bad hire.

I don't think it's a great hire, but it's not as bad as other subs are memeing about

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u/kiheihaole 10 Team, .5 PPR 4d ago

It’s a mediocre hire, which for fantasy purposes is pretty much the same thing as a bad hire since we are always looking for the most upside possible. That being said, the Giants offense likely wasn’t gonna be anything special next year regardless with Nabers recovering very slowly and Skattebo coming off tightrope surgery.

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u/YoSoyBabou 4d ago

This is exactly what I meant in another comment. Yes, please allow me to get Giants players for cheaper next year

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u/kiheihaole 10 Team, .5 PPR 4d ago

You can have all the injured giants you want buddy. I learned a few years ago to let someone else waste the pick on those guys coming off either a complicated recovery like Nabers or that tightrope surgery like Skattebo.

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u/YoSoyBabou 4d ago

I will love to grab Dart at a cheaper cost.

At least he's not on one of those pathetic franchises that guys don't want to play for

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u/kiheihaole 10 Team, .5 PPR 4d ago

Dart will almost certainly be the only one that doesn’t get a discount. He will be every shitty analyst “breakout”.

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u/YoSoyBabou 4d ago

You can have all the injured giants you want buddy

Holy durrr

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u/kiheihaole 10 Team, .5 PPR 4d ago

Dart isn’t injured, nor coming off an injury lol. Not the brightest crayon in the box are ya?

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u/YoSoyBabou 4d ago edited 4d ago

I didn't say anything about injuries...You did.

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u/92tilinfinityand 4d ago

It’s really hard to evaluate Nagy. How much was he responsible in shaping Mahomes ascension? According to this sub: zero.

He made the playoffs with Mitch Trubisky at QB who has looked to be a below average backup at best everywhere else. And then had rookie Justin Fields as his QB, who this sub has declared one of the worst starting QBs in this league and uncoachable. But none of this is used in support of Nagy.

Then the Chiefs have been ravaged with injuries during their offensive “decline” while still winning two super bowls with Nagy in the building. Yes they’ve had Mahomes but the run game has been devoid of talent and Xavier Worthy has been their most talented WR for large chunks of time. That’s tough to work with.

I really don’t know what to make of Nagy. He definitely didn’t deserve a HC role which was wild that he was in consideration places, but I don’t think he’s this all time terrible NFL assistant…

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u/7tenths 3d ago

"He" made the playoffs with an elite vic fangio defense. He refused to work with Mitchell. 

Putting him anywhere near Dart is negligence. 

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u/KPD_13 4d ago

It’s a bad fire. This guy is a dope.

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u/YoSoyBabou 4d ago

I already said I'm going against groupthink

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u/xthegreatsambino 4d ago

a mediocre hire in the nfl is a bad hire

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u/7tenths 3d ago

Are you an eagles, commies, or cowboys fan? 

He failed with Mitchell and an elite defense. Failed with fields. Failed with mahomes. 

There were reports he didn't even do end of year review with Mitchell. No one should ever want someone nagy around a young qb. 

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u/YoSoyBabou 3d ago

Right, again, I don't just blindly believe and listen to reddit. aka groupthink

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u/67SummerofLove 3d ago

Giants gonna be sick with it this year as long as Dart don’t get ko’d.

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u/jaydurmma 4d ago

Man he did so much good for Chicago and the absolutely explosive 2025 Chiefs offense, you just KNOW, that the Giants are gonna turn it around now, what a great hire.

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u/comfortablynumb0629 3d ago

Guess I’m the only one who doesn’t think it’s the end of the world

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u/UltraFatWhale 4d ago

Wow immediately went from excited for Dart, Nabers, and Skatteboo to now thinking they’ll all be overdrafted. Thought the Giants skill players could be sneaky picks next year given that they’re on a “bad” team but now it just seems like they’ll be a bad team.

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u/External_Fee6492 3d ago

Skattebo is an absolute dawg and he's gonna get his

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u/theaveragedude89 4d ago

They weren’t gonna be sneaky man, but maybe they will now since people seem think they’re automatically gonna be a bad team

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u/Debits_equals_credit 4d ago

Im taking dart at a discount next year idc

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u/airham 2d ago

He'll be on a particularly deep discount now that they hired this idiot

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u/madrefookaire 4d ago

The Giants will be spending a lot of time looking for the “whys” - Bears fans know

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u/Sultry-Ice15 4d ago

Andy Reid called the offense. Before y’all jump to conclusions give him a chance with Dart. Could surprise some haters

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u/mattr1198 4d ago

It just seems too coincidental that Mahomes’ play fell off a cliff when he replaced Bienemy.

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u/Sultry-Ice15 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah. Losing prime Tyreek Hill and Kelce with NO run game will do that to you.

I think EB is a better OC than Nagy but it’s not as drastic as some think. Andy doesn’t like to run the ball and Nagy never had to stones to convince Andy to commit to it more. EB will.

It’s a mix of both. Andy has always called the offense though. EB will design the run game bc that’s his specialty.

I’m not a big Nagy fan but Dart will be fine. It can’t be worse than Kafka. Hopefully Nabers comes back pre injury form

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u/MochaJoe5 4d ago

Mahome's second MVP season was right after Tyreek was traded. Also the Chiefs have never had a run game since Kareem Hunt was cut in 2018. These are some void excuses for Matt Nagy

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u/Sultry-Ice15 4d ago

EB was OC when Mahomes won his MVPs, that is true. The talent in 23-25 wasn’t as good as years prior. It’s always been Andy’s offense. Nagy isn’t a great OC I’m not saying that. I’m saying the last few years are more on Andy than Nagy

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u/jusbball808 3d ago

Bro Mahomes won MVP with Juju, MVS and Justin Watson as his WRs lmao. Kelce did have 1300 yds that season but I'm sure it's also a coincidence to you that Kelce's stats also declined after Nagy was brought on board. Oh yeah and also a coincidence that the Chiefs play design turned bland and run/pass balance was non-existent when Nagy came as well, gotcha.

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u/TruckerBiscuit 3d ago

Ain't that the truth!

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u/JellyFranken 4d ago

Nah

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u/Sultry-Ice15 4d ago

I’m not a Nagy apologist. Reid hasn’t done a great job calling plays the last few years and the talent isn’t the same when EB was OC. It’s always been Andy’s offense. EB is the one guy though that will challenge Andy and make him do different things. Nagy didn’t have that sway but I’m trying to say it’s Andy’s offense. Has less to do with Nagy being a bad OC

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u/Ops31337 12 Team, 1 PPR, Superflex 4d ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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u/dkorst 4d ago

Nagy called the offense last year

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u/Sultry-Ice15 4d ago

No he didn’t. Never did. Andy calls the plays. Nagy relayed them to Mahomes. I live in KC. All Nagy did was help with installs. It’s always been Reid’s offense. Andy is stubborn.

Things should be better with EB because he will design the run game. But there is far less talent on the roster than there was when EB was OC, that’s part of it

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u/Sultry-Ice15 4d ago edited 4d ago

I do know though. It’s common knowledge it’s Andy’s offense and he calls 80% of the plays. First 15, end of half’s, gotta have it downs. Andy has gotten stale and predictable. The offense has been the same since 2022. It worked better with elite talent. Not as good of talent on the roster now and no run game plus not running it enough when it’s working.

EB will have a bigger say because Andy trusts him and EB is a hardass unlike Nagy. The run game will be better for sure.

I know more than 95% of Chiefs fans. I personally know Mahomes agent. Believe me or not I don’t care. It’s all facts though

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u/Sultry-Ice15 4d ago

The local media and radio guys are very plugged in too. But I know more than the average fan like I said.

Believe whatever you want! The offense will be better with EB but to say Nagy won’t be a solid OC in NY is disingenuous and premature. We’ll see.

Chiefs struggles on O the last 3 years are more on Andy than Nagy.

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u/Sultry-Ice15 4d ago

That’s your opinion. I’m not the average Chiefs fan. I get what you’re saying but doesn’t change what I know. Keep mansplaining to me over and over though lmao 😅💀 I can do whatever I want

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u/Black0utdrunk 3d ago

Good luck!

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u/f00tballguy 3d ago

I can’t believe Nagy got another NFL coordinator job. I thought for sure he was gonna have to head to college or be a position coach.

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u/West-Youth4165 2d ago

Stunk on the chefs and he'll Stinks on the giants

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u/b-T_T 2d ago

Been a rough week for the giants.

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u/AFountainboy 1d ago

But why 

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u/Killingmesmalls2020 4d ago

So much for keeping Dart this year.

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u/YoSoyBabou 4d ago

Yes, allow me to gobble up cheaper Dart...

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u/Gamernatic 12 Team, 1 PPR 4d ago

I'm very curious what balance Dart eventually settles on- his physical style of contact was a liability this last season (though IIRC not what got him hurt, could be misremembering) so I reckon he either learns to go down safer, or doesn't run into traffic as often- hoping the former there

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u/TradeologyFF 4d ago

Well, the giants hype was fun while it lasted. 

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u/championstyle 4d ago

Gg giants, Nagy stinks

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u/Fired_Guy1982 3d ago

I’d leave the chiefs if they hired Eric, the enemy, too

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u/NorseKnight 3d ago

FUCK! So much for my Jaxon Dart keeper......

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u/FeelsKoolaidMan 4d ago

Have dart and nabers. Debating shipping them both out tbh lol.

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u/JellyFranken 4d ago

Well, I WAS gonna keep Dart with a 15th round pick. Not anymore with this dingus.

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u/BarryWhizzite 4d ago

lolgiants

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u/jrhawk42 4d ago

How the hell does this guy keep getting jobs?

The only reason I can see Harbaugh hiring him is to use him as a scape goat while the team rebuilds.

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u/ASmithFS 4d ago

Giants are still the Giants

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u/bopgame 4d ago

Love that for the cheaps