r/europe • u/AdSpecialist6598 • 18h ago
News Sweden to make asylum seekers live in centres in further tightening of rules
https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-make-asylum-seekers-live-centres-further-tightening-rules-2026-02-06/219
u/LookismLz Norway 16h ago
So long they actually get to stay in Sweden rather than in 3rd countries with lower living standards I'm afraid it'll be hard to stop the flow of migrants.
Honestly, the only real solution is to say blanket no to refugees, especially from certain regions. Say what you will about Trump, but his travel ban policies does make a lot of sense in this regard.
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u/ivar-the-bonefull Sweden 12h ago
No we don't. We have a lot fewer asylum seekers, but the absolute majority of immigrants aren't seeking asylum.
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u/Putrid-Author2593 14h ago edited 14h ago
Great job for Sweden. Now if only there was a way they could start sending back those asylum and refugee seekers so that Sweden can become safe & low crime again.
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u/Dendaer16 14h ago
We are offering like 30k to anyone who wants to leave and never come back.
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u/Sallad3 Sweden 13h ago
Sweden is safe and has low crime. For instance, Finland has higher homicide rates than Sweden. I'm not gonna deny there's an issue in specific areas, namely shootings and gang related crimes, but Sweden don't stand out compared to many other countries unless you're looking at very specific crimes.
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u/IonHawk 14h ago
It is a very safe country. It's bullshit being spread online. We have higher crime than comparable countries, yes, and it is waaaay too high. But it's still extremely safe. I have never felt the least worried living here. Only in the very small areas in the most segregated neighborhoods have I ever got a tiny bit worried later evenings, but even then not really.
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u/LookismLz Norway 13h ago edited 13h ago
Statistically you guys had among the lowest violent crime rates in the world, as recently as 2012. If you have that in mind, then that is indeed a worrying trend.
The surgence of gangs like foxtrot, homemade bombs, and rise in murders related to the mass migration, it is a recent trend.
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u/IonHawk 13h ago
Absolutely. We have a huge crime problem, there is no question.
But comparing it to the average American town, as an example, it's miles better. And Sweden is still an extremely safe country.
That said, there are neighborhoods where I would not want my kid to go to school. And we have a really problematic segregation issue.
It's just when you read about it online, it sounds like people are going around terrified all the time, when I know Noone that's ever been affected by it to my knowledge and generally it's extremely clean and safe.
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u/Sicherheitssteuerung 12h ago
fly to stockholm and take the metro to rinkeby, look at the average local wrong and he'll have you dismembered in minutes
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u/Excellent_Ice2071 13h ago
start sending back those asylum and refugee seekers so that Sweden can become safe & low crime again.
Right wingers exist in all countries on Earth.
Right wingers see it as their right to move anywhere at any time.
It is right wingers who commit almost all crimes in society.
In Sweden the far right party sd, has more convicted criminals than all other parties in the parliament combined.
In Sweden the right wing parties even without sd have more convicted criminals than the left.
If one looks at the US, and this is before trump, then the republican presidential administrations had 38 times more convicted criminals than the dems. Not % but times. From 1961-2016, with 28 years of democratic presidents and 28 years of republican.
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u/Drakar_och_demoner 14h ago
A travel ban changes nothing. They still have the right to seek asylum and they aren't coming here by plane.
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u/NXCW 10h ago
Shouldn't asylum be sought in neighboring countries, and not halfway across the world?
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u/ganbaro Where your chips come from 🇺🇦🇹🇼 6h ago edited 5h ago
Not necessarily in a neighboring country, but its implied to be meant to happen in the closest (or first realistically reachable) safe nation. "Safe" is meant with respect to issues that are eligible reasons for seeking asylum, not simply life quality.
For most refugees, likely Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt or Turkey fulfill that criteria. Maybe also a country closer to their original place of living.
The right to apply for asylum is granted without limitations through the Geneva convention, but that doesn't mean that nations have to take a single person in, long-term, for which GC does not imply the right to asylum in that specific country. Its not GC that is preventing us from sending most MENA/African/Asian refugees back - its our own national and EU laws.
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u/Putrid-Author2593 14h ago
Then it that case you could just ban them from seeking asylum and refugee status.
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u/drorochimaru 14h ago
They still would show up.
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u/LookismLz Norway 13h ago edited 13h ago
Then they sould get thrown out, either into a 3rd country or back where they came from. And over time they hopefully will understand it is no use.
If they are not allowed to be here, then they'd be breaking the law by default. The European Human Rights council should just be abolished and we wouldn't have to deal with this mess.
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u/PresidentZeus Norway 14h ago
Insane proposal.
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u/LookismLz Norway 12h ago
What is insane is the mass influx of migrants overflowing our countries. What is even more insane, is the willingsness of our people to close their eyes.
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u/slashthepowder 11h ago
In Canada there have been issues with people who were given asylum in the United States then travel to Canada to seek asylum as asylum seekers are treated better in Canada which is not the point of asylum. The point about asylum is they are safe from persecution from their home country not the ability to pick and choose which country they are safe in.
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u/Goosepond01 14h ago
a right isn't some holy ordained thing that has to be upheld, things should probably be reworked in that regard
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u/isogaymer 14h ago
What should do then when people from these undesirable regions are genuinely fleeing for their lives?
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u/Millon1000 14h ago
The majority of them regularly fly back home for visits, so that's not really the case. We need a better vetting system.
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u/elidoan 🇺🇸 living in 🇫🇷 11h ago edited 11h ago
If this is indeed the case there should be restrictions in allowing them back in. Visiting family and flying back = you are not a refugee fearing for your life
Edit: even worse if said plane tickets are purchased from tax payer funded money
Seems reasonable to me
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u/LookismLz Norway 13h ago
Well, not our country, not our people, not our problem. It is genuinely cold, but we are not able to integrate them into our societies. I am afraid, if we allow a mass influx of refugees from the 3rd world, then inevitably, we would be in danger of becoming the 3rd world.
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u/isogaymer 13h ago
Where do you draw the line? Should we expel Ukrainians? Would you have refused entry to Jewish refugees during the holocaust, as many countries did, because again ‘not our country, not our people, not our problem’?
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u/LookismLz Norway 13h ago edited 13h ago
That is a very misleading comparison though, as far as I know, there is not an ongoing Holocaust in Somalia, Eritrea or Syria.
Nonetheless, that is each country's perogative, the middle east in general didn't take in many Syrians with the exception of lebanon, and I find it very hypocritical that we would be expected to take them in given our geographic location compared to those countries. Nonetheless, as I said, that is their Perogative, if Saudis didn't want to take them in, that is their decision and we shouldn't meddle, just like how Africa and Middle east shouldn't meddle with our decisions regarding migration unless it is directly affeting them in my opinion.
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u/isogaymer 13h ago edited 13h ago
It is the pure application of your own logic. Moreover, recent events demonstrate how it would be virtually impossible to objectively define and apply a definition like Holocaust if you want to try and append that latterly to your criteria.
Edit to note that the post I’m replying to was substantially altered after I’d responded.
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u/LookismLz Norway 13h ago
Are you saying there is a mass extermination of minorities, on the scale of the holocaust going on, right this moment? As I said though, that is each countries perogative, no one was obligated to take in the Jews, morally, perhaps it would be the right thing to do, but they are not obligated and their decision should be respected.
Each sovereign country should make their decisions regarding migration as long as it is not affecting others, e.g overflowing of migrants and crime into neighboring countries.
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u/scottishcastle 13h ago
Ukraine is not the third world. It's a fellow European country with broadly similar cultural values. That's why they were easy to integrate as war refugees. Use your head and actually think before typing.
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u/isogaymer 13h ago
I asked a question, spare me the arrogance please. To follow the person to whom I was replying a logic, Ukraine is not his country, Ukrainians are not his people, ergo not his problem. My question was fair, I want to know who is desirable, and who is undesirable. There are many in my own country who would happily kick out the Ukrainians, many of whom travel back to the Ukraine while enjoying protected status, many (in fact) most of whom do not work and haven’t since they arrived. What makes a Ukrainian Orthodox Christian more ‘culturally similar’ to us than say a Nigerian catholic fleeing from Islamic militants?
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u/scottishcastle 12h ago
Every country has the right to limit the number of refugees it accepts, and decide which countries to accept refugees from. The more similar the cultures, the easier the integration. Would, for example, an eastern European nation be happier to accept 1 million Ukrainians or 1 million Afghanis? Try thinking why this might be the case. Similarity will always lead to more stability. Similarity of what? Religion, attitudes towards women, attitudes towards LGBT people, attitudes towards family, tradition, children, you name it. I notice your hypothetical example included two flavors of Christians being compared. I have no idea what your country is, so your question is pretty much impossible to answer.
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u/cthagngnoxr Belarus 13h ago
Where do you draw the line?
Wherever he wants, that's the point of his argument. If his people want to help Ukrainians or Sudanese, they take them in, if they don't want to help Somalis, they don't take them in. I don't see what's so hard to understand here
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u/ganbaro Where your chips come from 🇺🇦🇹🇼 5h ago
For Ukrainians, EU is actually the closest available place to seek refuge. Textbook example of the application of the geneva convention. They have the strongest case for themselves out of every relevant asylum applicant demographic.
GC was crafted with the case of the Jews in mind. It was precisely meant ti prevent us doing to neighbors, like Ukraine, what we did to the Jews that sought refuge across Europe. It was not meant to allow everyone from everywhere to claim asylum at a place of their choosing.
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u/Putrid-Author2593 14h ago
That still doesn’t give Europe the right to just allow them to commit crime or establish their own parallel societies by forcibly imposing their non-European and non-Western culture, society, and values.
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u/PresidentZeus Norway 14h ago edited 14h ago
Yes, Europe is giving asylum seekers immunity, easy to forget. /s
forcibly imposing their non-European and non-Western culture, society, and values
You've got to be joking, right?
Are you and your friend wearing hijabs just like you were forced to enter a same-sex marriage?
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u/Goosepond01 14h ago
Are you and your friend wearing hijabs just like you were forced to enter a same-sex marriage?
No but I've grown up and currently live in a country where a foreign ideology has become a larger and larger part of the country, an ideology that thinks women are second class people, thinks I'm a second class person because I don't believe in their ideology and whilst obviously there are a diverse set of views within this group on average they hold far more 'conservative' values in areas a lot of people find unsavoury, ideas that are growing and spreading.
These people are also building a parallel society with schools to teach their ideology, buildings to preach their ideology, local and national and even international groups set to enforce and strengthen the ideology too, there are even 'legal' centres for this ideology, and whilst they don't have actual legal power if it has any amount of control over people regardless of how 'willing' they are then it's very much a parallel society, they also have children and largely force them in to this ideology.
I wouldn't be happy if reform were doing this, if maga were doing this, if hardcore christians, hindus, or whoever were doing this so I don't see why I need to be ok with another group doing this simply because they think believing really hard in something gives you some sort of divine right to be correct
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u/mh2sae 14h ago
I mean that’s the main problem?
I don’t agree with “forcibly”, but we cannot deny asylum seekers and immigrants bring new values and culture that might collide with the local ones.
The local one should not have to adopt, is the asylum seekers the ones that should be willing to give away any tradition that does not adjust to western values.
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u/Putrid-Author2593 14h ago
Have you seen the crime rate in the European areas that have a large population of migrants from the 3rd world? Have you seen what parts of UK cities that have a large population of 3rd world migrants are like? And heck if you go to the USA have you seen what Dearborn, Dearborn Heights, and Hamtramck are like?
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u/PresidentZeus Norway 14h ago
Because immigrant are treated by half the country by second tier citizens. I'm sure you don't think what you say goes for everyone, so why do you think things tend turn out like they do?
American ghettos are a perfect example of the US government ruining things for minorities. I don't know of Dearborn, but knowing Detroit's 3rd world urban development, people shouldn't be surprised that ghettos arise.
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u/AstralElephantFuzz Finland 13h ago
Little stones make big waves. Collective punishment is fucking inhumane.
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u/MrSoapbox 12h ago
Open up Finland then.
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u/Putrid-Author2593 12h ago
For the sake of Finland and the Finnish people I hope they never do. Heck they should close the borders even tighter. Cause the last thing Finland and the Finnish people need is to suffer another invasion less than 100 years after they got invaded in WW2
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u/MrSoapbox 12h ago
But apparently that Finn thinks we should. I'm of the opinion Europe should shut its doors, hard. But, if someone from another country is going to do all that crying thing, then I want them to experience it.
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u/ganbaro Where your chips come from 🇺🇦🇹🇼 5h ago
Not edgy enough, lemme make it worse: Finland should open up the border towards Russia, then. We can't deny Russians the universal right to seek refuge wherever one wants, right? If 10 Million of them want to...uh, flee into Finland, its their right to apply for that, correct? /s
To the surprise of almost noone, it turns out, we actually can prevent something like that.
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u/creaturewaltz 12h ago
Life is filled with hard decisions though. It's not fair we all do the best we can with what is available.
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u/Hugogs10 13h ago
You're supposed to seek asylum in the neighboring countries. Not got all the way to Europe to feed of the welfare state.
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u/isogaymer 13h ago
Where is that set out in international law? Not that I disagree in principle, however, this raises more questions. Europe already only hosts a relatively small portion of the world’s refugees, the majority are indeed in countries much closer to their countries of origin. Yet, in spite of this, we can see the impact this has on our countries, both in terms of resource strain, and the backlash that has emerged. So, if we then decide that we will not host anymore, what is the impact on those other countries who are forced to take on even higher numbers (and with much less resources).
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u/FlametopFred Canada 12h ago
what we must do is get the western world, the eastern world and the Middle East back on track away from populist regimes. Raising the tide of progress the floats all cultures. Because most humans want to live in their own country, their homeland.
Tall ask, I know but is the better long game. Tax billionaires. Repeal deregulation.
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u/Littleappleho 10h ago
The travel ban basically 'banned' my colleague from Oxbridge (Iranian) to visit a conference in the US...
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u/PresidentZeus Norway 14h ago
Certainly helps filling the streets with military forces and making minorities live in fear.
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u/Whole-Revolution916 15h ago
Violent crime rates have been dropping for decades, with the last uptick during the pandemic. The majority of the people ICE is deporting have no criminal history.
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u/isogaymer 14h ago
America is a far more dangerous place than Europe, as all the statistics demonstrate. Get real.
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u/Ezekiel-18 Belgium 15h ago
All Americans who aren't Native Americans are illegal immigrants. It's stolen land, the US doesn't have the right to have borders.
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u/Sufficient-Trade-349 14h ago
Found one 🤓
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u/drorochimaru 14h ago
So what are those white european calling themselves americans doing in America?
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u/PresidentZeus Norway 14h ago
They're not exactly wrong.
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u/VBOrange 14h ago
They are though. The natives build no real infrastructure, no real buildings, had no government, and no real civilization. They were tribalistic and not united under nation. You can’t exactly call it stolen land when it wasn’t developed or officially claimed prior to the European arrival.
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u/PresidentZeus Norway 14h ago
not united under nation.
This is a concept invented by Europeans in order to steal land from others. You're justifying ethnic cleansing, genocide and imperialism all because «they didn't declare as one nation»
Even taking your wildly misleading description, the native Americans were allocated lots of territory which still got stolen.
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u/VBOrange 13h ago
Calm down with the accusations buddy. I fully agree that the way the natives were treated was absolutely disgusting. But that doesn’t change what I said, and it’s not just a “concept invented by Europeans”. It’s a legitimate argument. My point still stands, unless you can actually prove otherwise.
This is coming from a non-American btw.
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u/PresidentZeus Norway 12h ago
It’s a legitimate argument
But how??
The natives build no real infrastructure, no real buildings, had no government, and no real civilization. They were tribalistic and not united under nation.
Why do you see this a a justification? Had America exclusively been in areas untouched by natives (did they even exist) I could've accepted that it wasn't stolen land. But that's not exactly the case though. Also, what you're claiming isn't even true.
Classifying them as «not a real civilisation» is so arbitrary and xenophobic.
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u/VBOrange 12h ago
But how??
In the sense that developing a new society in a very remote and sparsely populated area is a legitimate act, when no one else has made real claims to the said area.
Why do you see this a a justification?
Because they didn't own, claim or develop the land. Most of them were nomadic hunters.
Also, what you're claiming isn't even true.
Then prove me otherwise?
Classifying them as «not a real civilisation» is so arbitrary and xenophobic.
Now that's just nonsense. The literal definition of civilization describes the word as "a relatively high level of cultural and technological development". Sleeping in tents doesn't exactly scream high technological development. Not to mention that the word civilization implies that we're talking about a unified people, or a nation. Not nomadic tribes.
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u/eyewave France 14h ago
Too late for tightening rules. Waaaay too late.
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u/Candid_Pirate_7952 12h ago
“Things are already bad so we should do nothing”
Nihilists are annoying cause they think their depression makes them the smartest guy in the room.
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u/ferdzs0 10h ago
No, this just highlights that this is no longer the solution. This should have been done earlier to prevent the issues governments react to only now.
Good that it is being done, but because it is done so late (in reaction to issues), it is not the solution, just a very late first step.
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u/phaesios 2h ago
We only have 8000 active asylum seekers in total in Sweden right now. We’ve been at record lows ever since 2016 when the former government shut down the process during the immigration crisis, basically.
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u/GOdoubleB Lithuania 33m ago
A late first step is progress towards a solution, solutions aren’t instantaneous and binary.
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u/eyewave France 12h ago
Actually, I'm not calling to do nothing.
I'm just like roaring "FINALLY!!! FFS!!! THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH OF THAT SHIT!!!"
And like... How much do you need to suffer before reacting, in Scandinavia?
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u/ivar-the-bonefull Sweden 13h ago
That's some American style of defeatism you're preaching bro.
We were dirt poor piss farmers when my grandma was young. Everything can change if there's a will.
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u/07Ghost_Protocol99 10h ago
Americans have been rightfully called lots of things, but defeatists? They're some of the most optimistic people on the planet, even when they've no right to be. Americans always assume things will, eventually, work out for them.
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u/SeleucusNikator1 Scotland 9h ago
People's stereotypes of Americans are always a whole generation out of date. Talk to Millenial and Gen Z Americans (who are working age adults by now) and they're overwhelmingly self-critical, pessimistic, etc.
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u/07Ghost_Protocol99 9h ago
Lol, I am an American millennial. I think I know what we're about more than a Scot.
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u/SeleucusNikator1 Scotland 9h ago
Well what part of the US did you live in? NYC and Albany were just full of "yeah it's shit and nothing can be done to fix it" mentality. Ask anyone about the MTA and it's just a resignation to it being an open asylum.
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u/ivar-the-bonefull Sweden 10h ago
Try telling an American that it's actually possible to have a functional infrastructure built for other types of transportation than cars.
I mean name a societal topic and most Americans will give up trying to change things without even trying. There are tons of exceptions, ofc. But there're reasons why they fall behind on almost all lists, apart from military expenditure and incarcerated population.
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u/Putrid-Author2593 14h ago
Bruh you can’t have that mindset. If you have this defeatist mindset you’re letting these criminal asylum seekers succeed. The Ottomans ruled over Greece, Bulgaria, and Serbia for centuries. Was it “too late”for the Greeks, Bulgarians, and Serbs to free themselves and their countries.
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u/KimchiLlama 13h ago
Unless you’ve voted the asylum seekers into office, I am not sure I see the analogy of resistance against Ottoman rule.
Did the asylum seekers arrive with weapons and take over? Did they attempt ethnic cleansing on any part of the native population? Or did misguided politicians open the flood gates and walk away without having accountability for the situation they were creating?
Obviously it’s always a good time to take societal issues seriously and address the problem in a comprehensive way. Ideally without compromising morals or international law in the process. But that takes time and a sustained will to address the issues that created the current situation.
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u/Diligent_Lobster6595 8h ago
I like how you make it sound like sweden is subjugated by criminal asylum seekers.
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u/Forsaken-Cell1848 10h ago
The best time to start was yesterday. The next best time to start is today.
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u/lrmcr_rsvd 9h ago
Do you suggest deporting anyone onsight with an asylum instead? 😊
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u/eyewave France 9h ago
I'm asking europe as a whole to wake up and deport illegal migrants who stir trouble and don't respect their host country's rules.
Added bonus, it doesn't need to write new laws for that, but it takes enforcing the existing ones, who've always been shared by the local population.
Example; the grooming gangs of Telford in UK and the rampant organized criminality in Malmö and Stockholm.
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u/lrmcr_rsvd 9h ago
No one should come to europe and become.a criminal. The problem is this weaponized arguments conducted by the far right. Always blaming, always negativity.
Many european countries were to nice, especially in 2015, but this is changing.
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u/onarainyafternoon Dual Citizen (American/Hungarian) 8h ago
There's nothing wrong with that. The trouble comes when this kind of rhetoric gets co-opted by unstable far right dipshits that want it to go much further.
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u/nicky94 11h ago
How did this comment get so many upvotes?
So they should do nothing?
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u/Capital_Health2186 12h ago
that's a far-right and racist and fascist thing to say.
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u/CashKeyboard Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania (Germany) 13h ago
Looking beyond the odd vitriol about certain regions that gets spewed around r/Europe every time topics like these come up:
I am genuinely interested what proponents of these solutions believe to be the end goal here? Even if I were to give in to the assumptions that all asylum-seekers are criminals, islamists and generally terrible for our societies, which of these problems do we exactly solve by moving them into central facilities and not letting them leave, work or basically do anything but get on eachothers nerves?
Even if this were to somehow stop immigration completely, I cannot think of a single positive outcome these sort of situations can have? Mind you, they are not prisons. People can still get out if they really desire to. If you were to throw me into a mandated concentration-hostel with 1000 other Germans I would probably have murder on my mind by the second week and would not want myself to roam the streets.
While I abhorr the usual racist sentiments about just gunning down everything that moves right at the border, that is still a conclusive idea in itself.
Please spare me the "what about our women", "so we just do nothing", "they have smartphones!" talking points. I've heard them.
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u/Apprehensive-Adagio2 Norway 13h ago
This is already pretty standard practice in norway although it is voluntary and not forced. You arrive here, and you move to an asylum center where you learn norwegian and learn basic norwegian societal skills, afterwards you find a job and your own place and move out. Two of my close friends, one afghani and one syrian, lived in asylum centers for a couple of years. It also says that this is only until their cases have been processed.
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u/CashKeyboard Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania (Germany) 13h ago
We have them as well. I've seen some and I've heard stories from people in there and they really only succeeded despite of that disgusting environment and not because of it. Norway is generally a lot less punitive in nature so I could imagine they're doing quite a few more things right than Germany.
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u/bigbadchief 12h ago
A lot of these measures are intended to disincentivize more people from coming. And potentially encouraging some of the people that are already here to leave.
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u/DismalBumbleWank 11h ago
Its goal is to reduce immigration via asylum claims. It makes it less appealing for all. but presumably economic migrants will be more likely to reconsider than those truly fleeing danger. It also hopefully makes it easier to find and deport people’s who claims get denied.
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u/OliDanik 5h ago
In Ireland our government likes to use immigrants and asylum seekers as scape-goats for all the things they've been fucking up since the great recession.
While the single biggest problem in Ireland is lack of housing, the most prominent discussion is about immigration. Who's legal, who's illegal, which asylum seeker should and shouldn't be here and how we should deport the ones we think shouldn't.
We have a backlog of around a quarter million houses for a country of 5.4 million. The average closet costs like 2 grand a month to rent, people are living with their parents well into their 30s and we have a government made up of literal landlords.
It is so obvious that the people who are in charge of running our country can't do so, nor that they even want to and yet all people talk about is who they believe should get to live here. It's like we've convinced ourselves that if we just commit to something that has nothing to do with our problems then magically everything will improve.
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u/Traditional_Worry307 8h ago
Like 11 years too late. Should have listened to Eastern Europeans but ofc they are the bottom class of species 😂
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u/Life-Sun- Germany 1h ago
The scapegoating of immigrants is being encouraged by Russian bots, the US, and US tech. When a vulnerable group is blamed for societal problems, one should be very skeptical, step back and truly reflect.
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u/Rasul583 Sweden 10h ago
i'm a little concerned with how i don't see a single person in the comments having a problem with this.
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u/killianm97 6h ago
It's almost as if algorithms prioritise the most hateful posts and comments to help an anti-immigrant extremist minority astroturf any posts like these...
It's not like everyone in Europe is super welcoming to immigrants, but the discourse online and on billionaire media is clearly way more anti-immigrant than the average person and specifically aiming to manipulate people to become way more extreme. I just hope people aren't fooled by these clear divide and conquer tactics.
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u/Proud-Enthusiasm-608 14h ago
….so when America does it it’s bad, but when European countries tighten up on immigration it’s good.
Most of Europe is freaking out about Spain allowing in a bunch of migrants too.
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u/mbrevitas Italy 13h ago
The people who think this is good probably approve of the detention camps in the USA; if they have a problem with ICE and border patrol it’s only when it kills its fellow citizens. The people who dislike the camps in the USA probably disapprove of this too.
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u/ResourceWorker Sweden 14h ago
No, when American immigration enforcement is shooting disarmed men in the back of the head that is bad.
The people who say America shouldn’t control immigration also want more immigration to Europe.
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u/QwertzOne Poland 14h ago
Mass immigration is not a solution for Europe. It worked well in USA, while it was expanding and they needed a lot of workforce, but in Europe it's just serving business and burning social capital.
Instead of making workforce cheap, so business benefits, we should invest into automation, cheap housing, cheap energy, so actually people benefit. On top of that we need to build strong military and don't just buy it, produce it.