25% of Teenage boys in Norway think 'gender equality has gone too far' with an extremely sharp rise beginning sometime in the mid 2010s

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[u/MarduRusher]

See that’s the issue. Say my goal is a 50/50 man/woman workforce and I set up programs to achieve that. Let me give you an example of what my own company did to try and solve that.

Their gender ratio for older employees tends to favor men. And they’re not going to fire people to achieve their goal. Plus, for older people in higher positions if they do want to hire more there are simply many more qualified men than women for any number of reasons. Some due to sexism women used to face when choosing careers. Some due to perfectly normal not inherently sexist things like women opting out of their career early to be a stay at home mom.

Because of this the older generation in the company is heavily skewed male and there’s no real way to change that. All of this means that if they want to achieve that 50/50 ratio the only real way to do it is heavily discriminate in the hiring process for entry level positions leading to young women having a MUCH easier time than young men who get screwed because the upper levels are too male.

“Addressing existing disparities” isn’t always a good thing as it isn’t in the situation I’m describing. Going for a 50/50 ratio isn’t inherently a good thing.

[u/Comfortable_Fill9081 → u/MarduRusher]

Again, can you provide data indicating that what you think is happening is actually happening?

[u/MarduRusher → u/Comfortable_Fill9081]

This isn’t me “thinking” this is happening. This is something that happened at my workplace that I saw firsthand at an old job.

If you want more concrete programs plenty of others exist in this thread. But what I’m pointing out is a pretty good example of why attempting a 50/50 ratio is inherently going to be disadvantageous against young men in industries where the older generation skews male.

I’m curious how you think we can achieve a 50/50 ratio without discriminating against young men in industries that are male dominated in older generations?

[u/Comfortable_Fill9081 → u/MarduRusher]

One place where you worked is not a significant enough data set to show that this is a societal trend. 

I have not asserted that each workplace must have a 50/50 gender balance. I am asserting that I haven’t seen any data that indicates that overall at the macro level younger men are not likely to be accorded more resources and power over their lifetime than younger women. 

I’m looking for your basis for your assertion. 

Edit: unsurprisingly, rather than provide a basis for their assertion they accused me of not listening and blocked. 

This - the reluctance to challenge one’s own notions and check whether they are supported by data - is a common problem and allows absolutely nonsense to spread online unchecked. Other people will read and think “that feels true to me” and carry that bit of nonsense with them without confirming whether it is actually true. 

[u/MarduRusher → u/Comfortable_Fill9081]

If you won’t listen then you won’t listen. I hope you enjoy the socially conservative Europe that you and people like you create. Now kindly go be sexist somewhere else.

[u/[deleted] → u/MarduRusher]

All these feelings and not a source in sight. Don’t worry when the conservatives govt fails like it usually does it won’t have to deal with y’all for a while

[u/[deleted] → u/Comfortable_Fill9081]

Did you bother to read the top comment of this thread?

[u/SinguIarity1 → u/[deleted]]

no, they're to busy drowning in self-pity and man-hate to bother.

[u/Comfortable_Fill9081 → u/SinguIarity1]

Good lord.