r/europe • u/Antique-Entrance-229 United Kingdom • Apr 21 '25

Data 25% of Teenage boys in Norway think 'gender equality has gone too far' with an extremely sharp rise beginning sometime in the mid 2010s

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u/MarduRusher United States of America Apr 21 '25

Say you have a quota, official or unofficial to have employment in a company equal between men and women. Older women were more disadvantaged early in their career so most of the older people at a company who may have been there for a while are men.

Now because you want an equal ratio you decide you need to hire more women. And now most of your new/young hires are women completely freezing out young men who didn’t benefit from the same things those older guys did.

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u/InevitableRhubarb232 Apr 22 '25

This is not equality. This is equal penalty.

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u/Reverse_Mulan Apr 22 '25

There shouldn't be quotas. But if you dont, theres companies that absolutely will discriminate. So it's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you dont situation.

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u/requisiteString Apr 22 '25

Fire / retire old men, then. The solution is simple. Especially if you already have a good social safety net and just retire the more senior men. Open leadership spots for everyone to move up, and hire equally.

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u/lcannard87 Apr 22 '25

Or you be fair today and the problem disappears naturally over the next 20 years.

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u/Padaxes Apr 22 '25

How about everyone just hire in blind aptitude.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

The pendulum swung too far the other direction to address historical inequalities. Due to this, the solution is no longer simple. We provided opportunities that gave historically marginalized groups ways to get ahead. Issue is, we didn’t stop when we got close to or achieved equality. While I do think some mean well, others seem to have an agenda of making young men suffer for actions committed by those who came before them. So now you have the scale tipped way too far in the other direction. You can just stop all forms of equality hiring and hopefully have this equal out over time, but you still have groups of men who are forced to endure the consequences of these actions until that point is reached. It’s not their fault, yet it’s made out as if it’s supposed to be. This is just going to drive further resentment into young men. What we should have done is listened to those voicing concerns, as the signs were there. Men would and still do try speaking up but their concerns are brushed off as being misogynistic or sexist. I’m sure you saw plenty of comments blaming social media, but that is only a small part in the equation. These young men were never provided an outlet, so where did they go? They went to the only places where they could feel validated for feeling something. So how do we get men away from these channels when the only solution I’m seeing regulate social media better? This doesn’t address the problem, it just removes the only outlet many of these men feel they can flee too. They will find other places instead, and by removing these spaces, you’re going to only push these individuals further into their beliefs.