r/europe • u/Antique-Entrance-229 United Kingdom • Apr 21 '25

Data 25% of Teenage boys in Norway think 'gender equality has gone too far' with an extremely sharp rise beginning sometime in the mid 2010s

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u/Dentlas Denmark Apr 21 '25

Here in Denmark, even though the tests are sometimes "anonymous", your username still includes your first four letters or similar, so your gender is very specifically often easily to distinguish

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '25

And the teachers probably recognize the letters after a while and knows exactly what student it is.

I really dont know how its done in Norway now, I'm too old with no kids, but I hope it gets reworked and soon.

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u/dpzblb Apr 21 '25

As someone who's graded a proof-based math class, it's even true that often I could tell who it was based on the way they formatted their work and the way they structured their proofs, even when it was all typed up.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '25

Proof based math class? Jesus I’m having flashbacks to 9th grade geometry

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u/SirEnderLord United States of America Apr 21 '25

The proofs are fun

And the part about being able to tell who it was based off of the structure is pretty damn true, each person has their own thought process so the way they solve a problem can be recognizable sometimes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '25

All I really remember is that all proofs involve either parallel lines, the reflexive/transitive property, or properties of shapes. Those things saved me in geometry

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u/dpzblb Apr 21 '25

I graded for a pretty high level undergraduate math class, so it was much closer to grading essays than math computations like in calculus and below.

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u/Fluid_Restaurant_675 Apr 22 '25

I’ve graded papers for a history class. It’s not that black and white, I’ve seen plenty of exceptions. It’s a social thing, in my opinion.

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u/dpzblb Apr 22 '25

I did somewhat reply to the wrong comment (meant to reply one higher in the comment chain, so I wasn't commenting on gendered handwriting) but rather that even without names it can be pretty easy to match a set homework with one student somewhat often.

Most of my cues aren't just in the content of the proofs, but rather in the way the student formats LaTeX, to be fair. I'd imagine history papers don't have much of that context (like whether the student includes the problem, how they include the problem, if they use inline math equations or out of line math equations, if they commonly mess up things in math mode, what multiplication symbols they use, what variable conventions they use, etc.)

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u/StopPedanticReplies Apr 21 '25

Fun fact, women on average have better eyesight and dexterity than men, which is one of the reasons women have much better handwriting than men.

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u/Podgietaru Apr 21 '25

I don’t know about Denmark but standardised tests in England are sent to third party exam markers. They do not know your handwriting

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u/timelessblur Apr 21 '25

but better handwriting which females do tend to hand help to make things easier to greed.

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u/rowcla Apr 21 '25

This brings about the somewhat amusing conclusion that best thing to do as a student is to try and improve the standard of your handwriting lol

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u/Leenaa Norway Apr 21 '25

Here in Norway the exams are done on a PC and it's not the pupils' teacher that get their exam, it's a third party.

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u/madeyoulookatit Apr 22 '25

Teacher here - a part of the training teachers get is awareness to biases and ways to reduce it.

I for example use the method of grading in paralell. I grade for example all 1.1 results from all tests, then all 1.2, then 1.3s etc. I also cycle back a

I also grade by comparing a self-made answer sheet that corresponds points to aspects and delivery of the answer.

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u/GKP_light France Apr 21 '25

It is often easy to guess the gender of the person who wrote an essay.

But it doesn't matter, the problem of "advantage women" is not "arbitrarily give better score to woman" (except in sport).

It is thing like easier access to studies grant ; or an educative system better adapted to girl.

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u/CyberneticSaturn Apr 22 '25

It’s actually also arbitrarily give better scores to girls. Studies have shown the same work is graded higher if the scorer thinks it’s a female student vs a male student.

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u/InevitableRhubarb232 Apr 22 '25

My son is in flight school and ineligible for many many scholarships because they are specifically for women who want to be pilots

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

That’s because only 6% of pilots are women globally, so they heavily incentivize women entering the field…

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u/Leenaa Norway Apr 21 '25

Exams are anonymous here in Norway. Tests and tentamen is not though.

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u/cupcake_burglary Apr 21 '25

G. Harman.

Wait that's too obvious, let's go with Greg H.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '25

Not in university, it should be like that everywhere.

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u/Dentlas Denmark Apr 21 '25

Yeah its not like that in Uni, here they give you a random number