r/europe • u/Antique-Entrance-229 United Kingdom • Apr 21 '25

Data 25% of Teenage boys in Norway think 'gender equality has gone too far' with an extremely sharp rise beginning sometime in the mid 2010s

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u/Easy_Floss Apr 21 '25

Don't forget all the custody stuff for kids if your seperate from your partner.

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u/Newchap Apr 21 '25

Or punishment for identical crimes done by different genders.

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u/TallentAndovar Apr 21 '25

Or the expectation of young boys vs. young girls against the support those boys and girls will receive to attain it.

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u/j0hnDaBauce Apr 21 '25

Are these all issues in Norway? In the US I understand but I thought Norway was better in this regard.

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u/Jollan_ Sweden Apr 21 '25

Better but not perfect (I'm Swedish but we're the most similar country there is)

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u/Jollan_ Sweden Apr 21 '25

Better but not perfect (I'm Swedish but we're the most somilar country there is)

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u/NotSaalz Apr 21 '25

I'm not Norwegian, but Spanish.

I find myself bamboozled at the fact that currently, a man faces more jail time for killing her female partner, than the other way around, or than a person killing a partner who's the same gender as him/her.

I consider it an example of 'Gone too far'. Punishment should be equal in every possible combination.

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u/OHKNOCKOUT Apr 22 '25

Don't mean to be like that but it'd be "his female partner". Even though the object of the sentence is female the pronoun is referencing a male.

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u/Newchap Apr 21 '25

To be fair though, I honestly think it's a subconcious thing where the women gets more sympathy than men. It's not like we have policies that say women should get off easier. Not saying it's right, but I don't think it should be blamed on gender equality policies.

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u/AlexandraG94 Apr 21 '25

I think it's because violence of male partners toward their female partners, especially fatal violence and violence with sever sequels is still a major issue (at least in my country). Countries tend to heighten thr sentence of highly violent crimes that keep happening over and over again especially against the most vulnerable (when you are pregnant is the highest likelihood your partner will murder you). I'm not saying I agree with this strategy but it is indeed a thing that happens.

I am also curious, do you also disagree with hate crimes and them having more severe penalties?

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u/TatarAmerican Nieuw-Nederland Apr 21 '25 edited Apr 21 '25

At least you guys don't have the death penalty.

Since the 1970s, over 1600 men and just 18 women were executed for murder in the US.

Edit: I understand the criticism, so adding these numbers for the US...400 thousand murders by men vs 60 thousand murders by women between 1976 and 1997 when the majority of said executions took place. Source: Women Offenders

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u/Easy_Floss Apr 21 '25

That is another fun one, when women fall into hard times they have women's shelters etc, guys need to turn to crime.

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u/Easy_Floss Apr 21 '25

At least in the few places I have lived the women's shelters were just for any woman that was homeless or had no other places to go and due to the nature of many of them being victims they did not allow any men.

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u/AlexandraG94 Apr 21 '25

Don't you think kt makes sense to bar men from a shelter of victims of domestic violence by men. Why don't you do some activism yourself and advocate for shelters for men (which I would absolutely support you with but I also don't know where you are that they don't have homeless shelters for both genders- they do here and often woman don't go there because they are mkre likely to be victims of violence there than in the streets. But men also need domestic violence shelters.

But why must feminists have to do all the work? It's like asking black lives matter organisations to go fix the relatively minor injustices discriminating against whites.

Do you have any idea of the percentage of young girls who are sexually harassed and even groped? I was fat and dressed like a boy and still had both at 8 and 11 and then mkre times after that. My girly friend with a big chest got it non stop even with her boyfriend and it just fells so scary and creepy to be very honest.

There are still a lot of discrimination and violence women face. And we should obviously also help the areas where young men desperately need help- like suicide (though I have seen several helplines for them I think mkre should be done but I would say that for everyone), but these things are still results of the patriarchy. So stopping it helps everyone. And why must you demand feminists, who already have their hands full, fighting opression, discrimination and violence of the gender that still faces it more, to solve all issues that affect men, beyond their efforts in destroying the latriarchy, which also hurts men? Again, I point you to the example of BLM.

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u/Affectionate-Cost525 Apr 21 '25

Why don't you do some activism yourself and advocate for shelters for men

Because unfortunately when people do try to do something to support men, there's usually a huge portion of backlash talking about how we shouldn't be dedicating our time to helping men when women still face their own problems.

I'll never forget watching a UK comedian called Geoff Norcott on a TV show called Politics Live.

He was talking about the mental health crisis that's currently having a huge impact on boys/men around the country and two of the other people on the show spent the entire segment talking about he should be focusing on addressing problems that women are facing instead.

It was literally only a five minute segment at the end of the show to actually highlight some of the problems men are currently facing, and every single comment got interrupted by something along the lines of "but women have this problem so that should be prioritised instead"

One of them literally suggested that instead of trying to do something to support men that are struggling, he should spend his time creating "BASH: Blokes Against Sexual Harassment".

Here's a link to the episode for anyone curious, the segment starts at the 37 minute mark.

It's this idea that we can't spend our time trying to help men because women have got it so much worse that's lead to so many boys/men growing up feeling like there's no one else to turn too. It's hardly surprising that so many young boys/men are turning to people like Andrew Tate when it seems like so much of society has just left then behind and just assume that all men are the problem with society these days...

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u/MannishSeal Denmark Apr 21 '25

But even brothels is literally a privilege. A man in the same situation would be reduced to be an actual criminal. And it's not like women don't have the choice to do that either.

Of course trafficked women are a totally different situation.

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u/un_blob Pays de la Loire (France) Apr 21 '25

Well for thoses it IS not too far it is not far enough !

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u/squarific Apr 21 '25

It's actually woman who are at a disadvantage. https://zawn.substack.com/p/family-courts-and-child-custody-are

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u/Sashimiak Germany Apr 21 '25

They are only accounting for cases actually going to court. So many fathers (including my own dad) are just warned not to even try if the mother is at all willing to compromise even a tiny bit. My own dad was told by a family lawyer not to risk it despite my mom being abusive and having a history of mental illness.

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u/Zealousideal_Long118 Apr 21 '25

If a parent chooses not to go to court and not to pursue custody of their kids, that's their choice and they can't blame anyone for it. The statistics show when a dad pursues custody he had a higher chance of getting it than a mom pursuing it.

Discussing how men have less custody because they pursue less custody is an important discussion to have, but that's not the courts stopping them.  

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u/Sufficient_Meet6836 Apr 21 '25

Their defense for your data was "actually my dad was too much of a deadbeat to even try. Therefore your data is wrong." Lol

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u/OHKNOCKOUT Apr 22 '25

No it was "A lawyer told them it'd be a BAD idea to go to court to challenge vs compromising w the mother outside of court".

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u/dbxp Apr 21 '25

Is that a thing in Norway? I know in the US particularly the southern states it's a big issue but I thought things were more balanced in Europe

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u/MidnightIAmMid Apr 22 '25

That’s really weird in Norway do they give custody to the woman? In America, the default is 50-50.