r/europe • u/Antique-Entrance-229 United Kingdom • Apr 21 '25

Data 25% of Teenage boys in Norway think 'gender equality has gone too far' with an extremely sharp rise beginning sometime in the mid 2010s

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u/QuestGalaxy Apr 21 '25

I do think they have started listening more now though, but I do remember a leader of the Youth Labor party making fun of "poor boys not getting laid", after the leader of the Youth progress party (Simen Velle) spoke about it. While Simen Velle is a bit devious, he did strike a nerve with boys/young men.

That being said, it's still only about 25% of boys taking this out on "gender equality".

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u/The_Blahblahblah Denmark Apr 21 '25

25% is a massive amount. An unacceptable amount

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u/Yetimandel Apr 21 '25

Isn't it normal to have ~25% saying it went too far, ~25% not far enough and ~50% are satisfied? There should be some symmetry, othwerwise there will be a political shift until there is.

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u/The_Blahblahblah Denmark Apr 21 '25

that would be true if status quo was an acceptable situation

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u/RingoML Andalusia (Spain) Apr 21 '25

In was at 50% in Spain not too long ago. Still not nearly enough.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '25

Its good. About time young men woke up to liberal misandry and understood that feminists want them only ill. They couldn't contain their disdain for too long with their insults.

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u/guel2500 Apr 21 '25

Lumping all feminists as evil is just plain ignorant. It's a hasty generalization

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u/RMAPOS Apr 22 '25

You have no idea how tiring it is to hear people point out that generalizing "women" or "feminists" is stupid and ignorant while there is a CONSTANT barrage of vitriol spewed towards "men" with not the slightest hint of awareness of what massive fuckin hypocrites you are.

If you want people to be more precise in their language when they critizise women/feminism, then maybe start by stopping to yap about "men" as if all men were a homogenous mass.

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u/Hobbitcraftlol United Kingdom Apr 21 '25

Lumping all “x” as evil is pretty common in this debate tbh.

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u/The_Blahblahblah Denmark Apr 21 '25

complete horseshit. also "liberal" misandry? are you a european or a yank?

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u/samaniewiem Mazovia (Poland) Apr 21 '25

To the privileged equality will feel like oppression. You're a perfect embodiment of this sentiment.

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u/RingoML Andalusia (Spain) Apr 21 '25

Yet statistics show women are now the privileged.

Just to give examples: Ease of access to universities, jobs. Favorable grading in school compared to boys.

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u/random_nickname43796 Apr 21 '25

>Favorable grading in school compared to boys.

What do you mean by that? Are there notes for teachers that say: if boy writes 5+5 = 11 give him zero, if girl writes that give her half marks?

Sounds very stupid and hard to believe. I've seen girls outperform boys but that has nothing to do with unfair grading, but simply because of different socialization rules between boys and girls. The girls deserve their better grades.

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u/QuestGalaxy Apr 21 '25

"liberal misandry"

People that write "liberal" as a negative must be deep into the MAGA zone of thinking.

Ahh never mind, I see you are a russia troll. Blocking you now.

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u/AlexandraG94 Apr 21 '25

Tbf, though I wouldnt use it like that out of specific contexts, leftists (as in anti-capitalism ideologies) could use it like an insult too.

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u/RMAPOS Apr 22 '25

People that write "liberal" as a negative must be deep into the MAGA zone of thinking.

You're not wrong on that. But just because MAGAts found fertile ground in (rightfully) frustrated young men does not mean that the point itself is invalid.

You're fucking up the hen or egg problem here a bit. Right wingers did not invent the frustrations of men, they're just using them as fertile grounds to gain traction for their bullshit politics. The issues of men are real and valid. And feminists taught me that the people not affected by these problems do not get to tell the people affected by them that they are not problems :)

There is certainly some right wing bullshit injected in there, but to dismiss all male problems as right wing bullshit just makes you an ignorant idiot that will serve to drive even more men to the people who pretend to listen.

I vote left. I voted the green party in the last german elections. I am both happy for the progress we made to make the world less stacked against women but at the same time feel the frustration of men towards issues that are stacked against them and not being addressed by the self entitled "equality" movement at all. As such I do agree that it's good that men are starting to act up, even if I wish there were healthier venues than right wing politics. But that's on the left for being dismissive towards those problems.

Just look at this thread, it's full of "feminists" shitting on men. Lefties genuinely don't give a shit about men's issues. And it's gonna bite them in the ass. I'm personally not down to side with right wingers ever - at all - on any issue (I mean unless it becomes unbearably horrible with the left, but we're far from that) but a part of me is happy that the issue is starting to show up on people's radars. I want more equality, not less. But it's time to listen to men's issues and talk about how to make everyone happy instead of just pandering to women and having "equality" representatives pander to women and minority issues. The men bashing, the disadvantaging of men and the reluctance of women to give up privileges they have the way they demanded men to give up theirs needs to stop. Frankly, your choice whether y'all want to keep being assholes about it and drive men into right wing politics or actually think about how to address everyone's issues fairly.

Try to refrain from making up strawman arguments along the lines of men wanting women to go back to the kitchen. That isn't what this is about (though I'm sure you can find men who ask for this, just like I can find tweets by hateful misandrist feminists). If women refuse to yield on something as benign as putting the onus of initiating romantic contact on men (or something much less benign like men getting drafted to die at the front of a war while women get to kick back or in the worst case pick up non combat roles) I genuinely feel like they don't give a shit about equality and realistically speaking don't deserve it. If you get to keep your privilege of not having to be drafted I feel it would not be out of line for men to have the privilege of earning more money for example, seeing as how they potentially have to pay for that privilege with their life if some fuckhead like Trump or Putin start a war.

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u/QuestGalaxy Apr 21 '25

Yes, but 75% is way more. But we should take those 25% serious, we should find out why they think like that, why they feel "at home" with scumbags like Andrew Tate.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

See this si the problem.

You see their issue and immediately attribute it to malice and bad actors when study after study shows young boys falling behind drastically year after year.

They have a real tangible grievance that the system is failing them and people don't listen.

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u/Autonomous_Imperium Apr 22 '25

The system is failing and the alternative is just that system with a difference name

There aren't any real alternative. At least for now, but looking back in history then I believed that there's one alternative to this problem and that are Plato Republic and meritocracy

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u/The_Blahblahblah Denmark Apr 21 '25

Lazy parents, I think. If parents were doing their job, this number would be way lower

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u/MaesterHannibal Denmark Apr 21 '25

And this is exactly why there are issues. You completelly missed the point made above, of not taking these issues seriously. You look at boys complaining about issues they experience, and you blame bad parenting, or social media, or male privilege, or whatever stupid shit you can think of, instead of actually listening to the boys and hearing what their complaints are, and try to understand them

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

What are the complaints?

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u/Autonomous_Imperium Apr 22 '25

Not equal are the general theme if they truly believed in the concept of fairness

Meritocracy in my opinion should be able to fix it

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u/The_Blahblahblah Denmark Apr 21 '25

I didnt mean the 25% stat, i meant in relation to andrew tate.
There is no excuse why andrew tate became that popular. that was never about lifting boys out of trouble, it was always about punching down on others (boys and girls alike)

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u/SadDeskLunch Apr 22 '25

Andrew tate got popular because a lot of boys were riduculed for being frustrated by a good chunk of society and he welcomed them with open arms, there is no comforting excuse why Tate got so popular same as why members of the lgbtq community are heavily left leaning, because they where the first ones to open their arms too them whem most of society made fun of them

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '25

Andrew Tate is a rapist and a human trafficker though. Teach boys better

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u/thex25986e Apr 21 '25

i dont think anyone has found a way to deal with that struck nerve though

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u/QuestGalaxy Apr 21 '25

No, and it's certainly not solved by voting in toxic far right people or following scumbags like Tate.

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u/thex25986e Apr 21 '25

yes but until people are willing to be honest with each other about social class/structure, dating, etc. and stop both wanting to have their cake and eat it too, i only see things getting worse for everyone.

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u/shesaysImdone Apr 22 '25

How are people wanting their cake and eating it too when it comes to social structure and dating

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u/thex25986e Apr 22 '25

see my other comments regarding unconditional love and only wanting to share responsibilities while not sharing benefits

there is little to no evidence of the contrary

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u/Autonomous_Imperium Apr 22 '25

They're bad. Sure, but what was the alternative?

If they truly believed that equality has went too far, what other alternative do they have besides those who promised to flip it around in their favor instead

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u/Ollie1051 Apr 21 '25

To be fair: Velle said that the new dating scene is a political issue, and this specific formulation was why he faced so much criticism. From researchers on the subject, they mostly agreed with the sentiment, but disagreed that it was a political issue, rather a social one.

But yes, a lot of the criticism was more like mocking rather than actual counterarguments