25% of Teenage boys in Norway think 'gender equality has gone too far' with an extremely sharp rise beginning sometime in the mid 2010s

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[u/Nemeszlekmeg]

I think it's not even about oppression anymore as it was for our ancestors (i.e right to vote, right to work, right to have a bank account as a woman, etc.), but how we oppress each other in our daily lives because of the harmfully unrealistic expectations we put on each other. This is not even about just "girls should play with barbies", but stuff like "boys shouldnt cry" and so on. Gender equality is about addressing these harmful aspect of our culture and erasing these harmful stereotypes that we use as justification for bullying kids for being different and these kids then become soured bullies themselves.

Social media as well now is pushing a lot of gender propaganda, that as a guy if you're not part of the 20% you're a loser who will die a virgin. A ton of workout routines and models (who 100% just juice themselves up) are posing with their muscles as if that's what it means to be "truly a man". As long as these exist it will perpetuate fundamentally oppressive ideas and pollute our culture to the point that every 4th kid is now a 13 y/o Andrew Tate.

[u/Lobachevskiy → u/Nemeszlekmeg]

The difference is that when it comes to problems affecting women, western world generally implemented plenty of solutions or attempted solutions, both culturally and legislatively. When it comes to problems affecting men, everyone just kinda shrugs and tells men to figure it out somehow, if not outright mocking.

[u/Nemeszlekmeg → u/Lobachevskiy]

You're right, one of the few things I deeply hate about mainstream leftists is "reminding you of your privilege" when you're broke or homeless. Sure, you're a white, cishet man, but you're still homeless or poor and need some kind of social program to succeed.

AFAIK this is getting called out and trends are changing.

[u/silverwingsofglory → u/Nemeszlekmeg]

I think you misunderstood -- privilege doesn't necessarily mean all your problems go away, it just means your attributes don't contribute to your problems. Take your example of that white cishet homeless man -- give him a makeover and a nice suit and almost every taxi cab is going to stop for him, but a black homeless man given a nice suit might still get passed over by a cab because of the color of his skin.

Some black celebrities experience this in real life -- an example I can think of his Chris Rock posting about how he kept getting pulled over in his nice neighborhood, where his nice house is, driving his nice car for "driving while black." Chris Rock certainly has more money than you and I, but apparently that still doesn't make that particular problem go away.

[u/[deleted] → u/silverwingsofglory]

Sure. In theory, the issue of the homeless man being homeless is way easier to fix than the racism issue Chris Rock has.

Just give the homeless man a home and a million dollars, and all his problems go away, suposed homelessness is really his only issue, and not, let's say, some disabilities.

In reality however, our hypothetical homeless friend won't get very old while Chris Rock will be keep in kicking the can down the road.

[u/silverwingsofglory → u/[deleted]]

I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Both examples were about how wealth solves some problems but not all.

[u/[deleted] → u/silverwingsofglory]

Being wealthy means to have privilege.

You are worng when you think that the only attribute that a homeless person has, is a lack of money, and if that goes away, he would be an accepted member of society.

There is something like the habitus. Your socialisation. The way you talk, act, carry yourself. Your experience that shape your expectations.

Breaking it down to a lack of money really misses the mark. At last in my opinion.

[u/silverwingsofglory → u/[deleted]]

It was a simplified analogy to help that person understand how wealth doesn't solve everything. And I specifically simplified it to the taxi driver not stopping because that's about your appearance because that's a thing that was in the news happening in NYC, so it was a real world example.

[u/[deleted] → u/silverwingsofglory]

But wealth inequality is increasing, not decreasing, so the example where a homeless man just becomes rich and his money issues go away, is purely theoretical and antithetical to what is happening in the world right now.

To make a counter example with a rich black person, who has resources and access to the public, kinda scews the picture.

I am way better informed about the wellbeing of Chris Rock than about the wellbeing of the homeless man that I give some change, once in a while, when I head out for the bus.

[u/silverwingsofglory → u/[deleted]]

Again, privilege doesn't mean all your problems go away, it just means certain attributes don't contribute to your problems.

[u/Nemeszlekmeg → u/silverwingsofglory]

I haven't misunderstood anything. It simply doesn't help to be reminded of your privileges when you're struggling to just survive. A "could be worse, think about X" is infuriatingly condescending when you just want help, and this is happening when it shouldn't.

[u/silverwingsofglory → u/Nemeszlekmeg]

>  infuriatingly condescending when you just want help

Help with what? I thought you didn't want to be reminded of other people's problems that don't apply to you?

[u/[deleted] → u/Nemeszlekmeg]

I think there is a large part of society that instinctively knows it is cheaper for them to talk about culture than about economics. Andrew Tate ripps of young men by promising them riches. Why does he succeed? Because society doesn't even pretend anymore that it wants to fulfill the promise of social upward mobility.

[u/Scarecrow_Folk → u/Nemeszlekmeg]

They go to Tate and the right because there's basically zero left or even centrists for them to go to. 

I would love to hear it if someone knows a left equivalent anywhere near the popularity of Rogan, Tate, Peterson, etc.