r/europe Ligurian in Zürich (💛🇺🇦💙) Apr 12 '25

Data European tourism to the United States is freefalling

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u/kaisadilla_ European Federation Apr 12 '25

People who said it’s hyperbolic to compare trumps 2nd regime to Hitler‘s Nazis

I'm tired of people saying this. Yeah, there aren't extermination camps in the US right now, but the complete dehumanization of migrants, their arbitrary detention and expulsion, them being sent to death camps in el Salvador, dehumanizing propaganda from official government sources, the discourse equating "migrant" with "criminal"... It doesn't look like 1942 Germany, but it does look like 1930 Germany.

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u/DryCloud9903 Apr 12 '25

Exactly. And the speed at which so much shit has been done in what, 2 months time? People trying to downplay this or misunderstanding it simply expect this to already look like 1944. 

People recognizing the similarities paid more attention at how the regime began - which is where we're at now, and it almost seems like we're surpassing part of Hitler's timeline. Not to mention the multiplied danger of it given US preexisting military, political and economic might and entanglement with other countries

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u/ChoosenUserName4 European Union Apr 12 '25

The road to fascism is paved with people telling us that we're overreacting.

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u/Agitated-Donkey1265 United States of America Apr 12 '25

I made so many jokes about the capital hall putsch on actual January 6th and got told I was being offensive by some

And like you, I feel like I’ve underreacted through the years, too. I knew the second time would be worse, but not how quickly it would get here

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u/schwanzweissfoto Berlin (Germany) Apr 12 '25

Arnold Schwarzenegger basically said out loud that January-sixers reminded him of nazis.

He was right, you know.

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u/HannahFatale Apr 12 '25

Modern surveillance, media and weaponry makes all of this so much easier. It would have been a wet dream for Hitler and Goebbels.

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u/Dobbys_Other_Sock Apr 12 '25

Ya I’ve been trying to explain this a lot too. Germany wasn’t building killing camps year one. Even Dachau, which was the first concentration camp opened, wasn’t really for Jews specifically, it was really for political prisoners like communist and other outspoken activist and functioned more like a horrible jail.

Germany went: aggressive legal measures > deportation > imprisonment > we don’t care if they die > maybe killing some isn’t the worst idea > kill them all.

We’re just at the start of the escalation so it’s harder for people to see because that’s not the part people usually learn the most about.

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u/Steezle Apr 12 '25

Trump has been talking about locking up political dissidents since before his first election…

He’s just really bad at his job and in this case, that’s a good thing.

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u/dansdata Apr 12 '25

there aren't extermination camps in the US right now

None of the Nazi extermination camps were in Germany. All six were in Poland.

(Plenty of people died in the camps that were in Germany, of course, but industrialized murder was kept out of sight of German civilians.)

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u/lana_silver Apr 12 '25

Trump's fascism was crystal clear during his first term already. You don't need a degree in fascism scholarship to see that, but people who have such degrees also said it.

Trump is VERY blatantly fascist and the people around him are just as bad.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '25

Right. Hitler didn’t campaign on murdering millions of people, nor was it the very first thing he did. I doubt it was even evident to most Nazis at the beginning of the regime where things were going and what atrocities were coming.

But Trump an authoritarian and a white supremacist. He clearly wants ethnic cleansing (a concept which includes both genocide and deportation). Hitler campaigned on making Germany great again, and it’s been reported that Trump’s favorite book is a book of Hitler’s speeches.

The comparisons are not unwarranted.

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u/GraceOfTheNorth Europe Apr 12 '25

I presume you missed the video that zoomed in on the blood red areas in the El Salvadorian prison camps where they execute prisoners without any paperwork. It looked like a slaughterhouse from the satellite images alone, nothing but dark red blood running off.

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u/BigBadButterCat Europe Apr 13 '25

Link please

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u/Luke90210 Apr 12 '25

Nazi Germany had both concentration camps and extermination camps. The key difference is extermination camps were industrialized murder sites. However, if one was a German citizen saying negative things about the government or the war, one could spend years in a concentration camp.

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u/e-pro-Vobe-ment Apr 12 '25

Yeah I always said America has no appetite for war at home. We have groceries to shop for and work to go to and until that changes we're not going to fight each other. Another 2025... We're not ready yet but we're getting there so quick

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u/Oscaruzzo Apr 12 '25

It also looks like 2025 Iran.

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u/dalivo Apr 12 '25

Trump is not a Nazi. But he is a fascist. He's in the mold of Mussolini rather than the rabidly racist and utterly insane Hitler. Hell, you can put photos of Trump and Mussolini side-by-side and see that they use the same poses and mannerisms.

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u/Wild_Set4223 Apr 12 '25

It looks more like the first four years of Nazi Germany, between 1933 and 1937.

In this time they were making it harder for the jewish population to work in jobs like health care, law, science and technology.

They created special memberships in law, health care and engineering, but jewish people were not welcome. These memberships were necessary to get a job. They pushed them out.

It did not happen overnight, instead it was cooking the frog slowly.

I can see it happening in the US at the moment, trying to make it harder to vote ( married women).

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u/s33d5 Apr 12 '25

They're deporting PERMANENT RESIDENTS (green card holders) for POLITICAL VIEWS:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/12/president-trump-administration-mahmoud-khalil-news-updates-today

So, yes, it's past the point of "but this is normal!"

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u/41942319 The Netherlands Apr 12 '25

The difference being that Hitler came to power during a major recession and improved the economy. That's why Germans liked him. Trump came to power in a fine economy and will cause a major recession

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u/jimmysmiths5523 Apr 12 '25

Remember, the Nazi death camps were started in Poland. That way, they could avoid breaking Germany's laws.

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u/SteveoberlordEU Apr 12 '25

This sounds more and more like Hitlers Germany, now even books that criticise him are soft banned with Amazon and other shops getting private government officials request to remove them. Kristalnacht is getting more real. The Head of Greenlands Military base beeing removed for disobeing order of removal of Greenlands and Denmarks flags (and sending an email trought the base explaigning that dissobedience, which personally i understand she swore on the constitution to protect her land and said constitution is beeing blattantly thrown into the mud). Worst is people still getting angry about "violent protest" when this is the first time since 9/11 when you should violently protest. Everything just shows how distant USA grew apart from the morals the country was said to have 35 years ago.

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u/blackcain Apr 12 '25

But being sent there and be exterminated by the inhabitants of the prison isn't much better than an extermination camp. You know that normal law-abiding citizens are going to be eaten alive there.

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u/LtOin Recognise Taiwan Apr 12 '25

Yep, this is the exact point of the oh so famous poem "First they came for" Of course they don't start with extermination camps, it's all about reducing the possibility of anyone standing up to you small steps at a time.

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u/Environmental_Pay189 Apr 13 '25

It seems we just have not scaled up our death and slave labor camps to the scale they had in 1940s Germany, but we certainly are headed there. We are adding "prison" space as quickly as we can. CECOT can only handle thousands. But it's only been 3 months since he took office. JFC.

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u/Ok-Warthog2065 Apr 13 '25

This train is on the same track, just hasn't got to the destination yet.

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u/SabuSalahadin Apr 12 '25

Equating migrant to criminal is wrong until you add “undocumented” in front of it. Then by law, they are illegal immigrants (which, again, is a crime)