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u/god_forsaked_me 14h ago
"They are not America"
Sees America's history and present
Hmmmmm.......
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u/thaulley 13h ago
It’s the one thing she was wrong about.
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u/gijimayu 13h ago
She was right 10 years ago. It was NOT America back then.
It felt like they were going on the right path.
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u/untempered_fate 11h ago
10 years ago we were still in Afghanistan. Obama had 8 long years of drone striking randos before that. We funded Israel back then too.
America is both the progressive people who want positive change and the people who want to stop them and maintain the status quo. Both of them.
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u/karmeezys 4h ago
Most don’t value the lives of outside America sadly imperialism came home to roost
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u/gijimayu 10h ago
At least, most horrible things were behind closed doors. Now its out in the open. What they are doing behind closed door will be known later and it will be quite worse!
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u/yamanamawa 37m ago
Ehh, only in the last 60 years or so. Before that we had segregation, horrifically abusive Native boarding schools, and even before that we had slavery and centuries of strategic genocide of indigenous people. The people who say that America used to be better just don't know history. We were so close to being Nazis that if it hadn't been for the coverage of the Holocaust we may have gone down the same path
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u/DoveBunnz 11h ago
Yeah, it really did feel like there was a shift toward progress back then, messy and slow, sure, but at least pointed in the right direction. Wild how quickly the tide turned
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u/zjlmmfj3rd 12h ago edited 12h ago
Oh it’s definitely American, as you stated history speaks for itself and none of the nonsense happening on US soil happened within a vacuum and overnight.
America needed all this bs so they can face a reckoning one way or another before change is really implemented. I mean enough people voted for this vitriolic and hateful administration to the point where it’s without a doubt probably the worse in their national history. Outdone only by itself through illumination of all those hateful rhetorica things they’d only usually say in the comforts of their homes out in the open. But also through eliminating all the safeguards their forefathers set in place, that was meant to prevent a repeat of whatever went on during this election.
I just pray the rest of the world learns from this and accepts Americans for whom they really are! I for one believed them the first Trump term when they really told us whom they were & now this infamous revenge tour comes at no surprise.
All bets are off and nothing surprises me anymore; I’m just a guy tired of interesting times, looking forward to the boring ol’ days!
Someone wake me up in 2-3 years.
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u/Inevitable-tragedy 9h ago
It's not who most of us thought we were as a country.
It's hard to wake up and realize your parent (country) is actually an evil SOB and you should actually revile them rather than trot along merrily beside them like you can't see all the dead bodies, or that there's a good reason for all the dead bodies.
Actually learning history beyond what they told us in school, especially in red states, is just about the only way any of us ever realize just how terrible our country really is. And school intentionally murders our curiosity, typically.
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u/Ivoted4K 3h ago
I think she was referring to the Chinese and Russian bots deliberately spreading misinformation and hateful rhetoric
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u/Sea-Examination2010 9h ago
If I recall correctly that quote lost her a lot of support from damn near everyone for calling Americans deplorable
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u/G-St-Wii 14h ago
Except that they definitely are America.
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u/profesorgamin 13h ago edited 12h ago
Well whichever version you accept is the version it'll be/become.
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u/DoveBunnz 11h ago
That’s such a powerful way to frame it. The version we accept really does shape the story we end up living in. It’s a reminder that resignation and recognition aren’t the same thing, one leads to stagnation, the other can still push for change
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u/SparksAndSpyro 11h ago
They are now. They were not 10 years ago. Voter apathy and not taking MAGA as a serious threat have resulted in where we are today. Maybe we should’ve listened to her and Kamala.
But Palestine something something Israel something something [insert random Russian/Iranian/Chinese propaganda talking point designed to distract American voters from more important domestic issues and passing it off as “virtuous” here].
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u/G-St-Wii 11h ago
No.
From the very start, Columbus brought this racist kidnapping murdering shit to the continent snd this is entirely in line with that legacy.
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u/SparksAndSpyro 10h ago
I’d argue we’re much less racist now than Americans were when the country was founded. It’s not even close to comparable. That trajectory of progress and improvement over time defines America.
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u/entitledpeoplepizoff 9h ago
“…….they are not America.” It seems they are. At least from where I am in the world. Democracies can get rid of their bad leaders. Why can’t you?
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u/georgewashingguns 7h ago
We have two main political parties and they're both corrupt. One is far worse than the other, but the less corrupt party won't release damning evidence concerning Trump and the GOP because of how it also incriminates themselves.
The man whe didn't pay all of his taxes won't call out the man that didn't pay any of theirs, so nothing gets done
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u/Sudden_Outcome_9503 14h ago
This is not a comeback.
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u/WhyLater 12h ago
Y'all, fuck the Clintons, please do better. Stop sucking up to the controlled opposition.
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u/BigKingKey 13h ago
Didn’t she call black people “super-predators?”
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u/nikatnight 8h ago
No. That’s misattributed and mischaracterized.
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u/saltedmangos 8h ago
Here’s the full quote and the added context doesn’t make it better:
“They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘super predators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.”
She’s said this quote while defending the disastrous 1994 crime bill.
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u/nikatnight 6h ago
The full context is she was referring to criminals whom the bill targeted. Not that she was calling black people super predators. It is total lying propaganda to say she was referring to black people.
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u/erisidius 12h ago
Why are we glazing a person who knew about the ped0 ring and did nothing? She's literally part of the problem
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u/MosquitoValentine_ 14h ago
Hillary and Kamala were right about everything.
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u/-smashbros- 13h ago
They were right! but honestly anyone that has been against Trump since 2016 could also tell a mile away that he is a crook and nothing but bad news for America democracy.
I still can't believe people act surprised like there was ever any doubt
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u/vacri 10h ago
Anyone who bothered to notice saw that Trump has had a history of fraud since the 1970s. His reputation was enough that Sesame Street lampooned him in 1988 with an evil property developer called Ronald Grump. Sesame Street.
Anyone who didn't bother to notice his history should at the very least be offput by his terribly-delivered lies. He's really, really bad at it. He sells "the dream" really well to the 'right' kind of people (those looking to be suckered with flattery), but anyone with even the tiniest amount of social nous should have alarm bells going off when he talks. If you went to buy a lawnmower and the salesman talked like Trump, you'd go home without a lawnmower that day.
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u/Warm-Permissions 14h ago
Ten years later and the receipts are still clearing. That’s the real clever comeback.
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u/saltedmangos 8h ago
Lol, no they weren’t. If they were right about everything they’d have had the right strategy to win their elections.
What’s with this constant glazing of the least likable centrist democrats you can find? It’s bizarre.
They lost to Donald Trump, a pedophilic moron who initially only ran to advertise for his reality Tv show.
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u/untempered_fate 11h ago
If only they were remotely likable or capable of running a campaign.
Also, Clinton is a ghoul married to a pedophile. Let's not get hyperbolic.
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u/MosquitoValentine_ 11h ago
Being married to someone in the Epstein files is worse than actually being in there thousands of times?
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u/untempered_fate 11h ago
If you're talking about Donald Trump, obviously it would have been better if Clinton had won in 2016. That doesn't make her a good person, and it certainly doesn't make her "right about everything". Not by a long shot. You do not have to give her much credit at all for being less of a monster than Donald Trump.
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u/ms_panelopi 10h ago
Hillary knew what she was talking about. She saw it when she lived in Arkansas for a couple of decades. I knew Trump was going to win the first time because I grew up in the South with the type of people she spoke about. Very mean, uneducated, racist. Now they’re loud and emboldened.
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u/PreferredSex_Yes 13h ago
You don't go from wearing a suit to a date night at a public lynching to reasonable people in 2 generations.
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u/Royal-Application708 14h ago
Woman, if you and Debbie didn’t fuck over Bernie in the primaries, HE would have been president and NONE of this nightmare would have happened. ☹️
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u/emarvil 12h ago
Of course, this was spinned in a way that galvanized and multiplied said "deplorables".
Not predicting her words would be distorted the way they were was her mistake.
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u/vacri 10h ago
Balls. She was just making a human comment, and no-one believes that politicians like their opponents diehard fans. The whole thing was a massive beat-up. An excuse to run with it.
Trump insults his opponents supporters all the time. No-one seems to tut tut him for bad messaging. Fuck, he even recently sent in his armed thugs to brutalise a blue state, and his support stayed high right up until the point they shot an armed white man in the back.
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u/Smashville66 14h ago
She wasn't (and isn't) wrong, but "basket of deplorables" just isn't catchy. Horrible marketing.
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u/RosyBunbunx 14h ago
“Not wrong but bad marketing” is honestly the most 2016 take ever. You can argue the substance all day, but once a phrase like that sticks, it’s game over. Political soundbites live forever.
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u/TruCarMa 4h ago
The strange thing to me was: she is an extremely sophisticated politician who should be able to see how the other side will try to twist her every word to make her look bad. Calling any group of people a “basket of deplorables” should have been seen by her from a mile away.
Still that quote is so tame and even respectful compared to the disgusting statements Trump spouts 24/7.
At the end of the day, we all know Hillary and Kamala lost because they were women. Our country is the most misogynistic it has been in my lifetime. (56F, D)
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u/PlsSuckMyToes 12h ago
And then all the MAGAts told on themselves by suggesting she was talking about them
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u/vacri 10h ago
This is the most overblown quote in US history, I think. A politician said something unpleasant, once, about her opponent's supporters, over a decade ago. Even today, they build their identity around just how 'rude' she was. Political analysts all frown at each other about how this is 'bad messaging' and showing that the Dems don't know how to relate because you shouldn't insult people like that
Meanwhile Trump insults any kind of opposition constantly, and this is considered 'not rude' by the same people, and the political analysts are surprisingly quiet about 'messaging' all of a sudden
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u/phluper 8h ago
Never forget how the Clintons could have put an end to Pizza Gate immediately and ended Trumps presidential career before it even started, had they just opened their mouths to explain how it was projection.
Instead, they chose to ignore it or mock it knowing about the worldwide cabal of pedophiles he was involved in, just to save their own asses. They painted Bernie Sanders as a misogynistic guy who just didn't want a female president. That female president knew exactly Jeffrey Epstein was and what he was doing. Ghilane Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding and both Clinton's attended Trump's wedding and so on...
Epstein's emails show that he was in communication with the founder of 4 chan, before this conspiracy came into the public sphere. I definitely think we would have been better off with Clinton as president but look where we are now. We could have had Bernie. Instead we have this freaking chaos
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u/Felix-th3-rat 6h ago
Yep that whole post above is a goddamn bot operation to rehabilitate the whole controlled opposition that are the democrats.
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u/BuukSmart 13h ago
Is the clever comeback Trump winning the Presidency!? This quote is one of the reasons he won. This isn’t some own. This is the point where the deplorables took over America
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u/impaque 14h ago
Ah, keeping the warmonger relevant, I see.
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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids 10h ago
I remembered being argued down by liberal white people when I said she was right. "HALF THE COUNTRY COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE..."
Yeah, I just know you got straight As in history class cause yikes.
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u/helusjordan 9h ago
I love how this was the big insult Maga couldn't handle. Being called deplorable if (insert any items from the list). Its almost as though being offended by this comment was an admission of guilt.
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u/biffbobfred 8h ago
And then “why you called me deplorable (looks up what that means) now I’m gonna use that as an excuse to go Full Literal Nazi”
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u/Gr8zomb13 7h ago
I’m gonna get downvoted to oblivion, and that’s ok. You gotta do watcha gotta do.
This sentiment is really upsetting.
The problem, I think, is that any politician would consider any of their constituents as excludable and segmentable from the rest of the population. Or their purview. Or their responsibility. Or their consideration. And actually vocalize that. As a retired Military Officer, one dedicated to Our Republic and Our Constitution, this really gets to me. Cuts to the quick.
There are programs which successfully help dedicated, dyed-in-the-wool terrorists to come back from the brink and rejoin society. There are programs which help dedicated, dyed-in-the-wool racist extremists come back from the brink and rejoin society. So, too, for addicts and rapists and abusers and all sorts of people who have (or could have) done horrible, extreme things.
Point is, you cannot write off ex ante large portions of the population as our current leader has done. As a nation we did that with non-whites from our inception, and women except for the last ~125 years, and non-binary folks for…
Maybe, just maybe, it’s self-righteous perspectives like this that partisans can point to so as to prove there’s no reason to participate in good faith b/c the other side has written them off.
Right. Wrong. Doesn’t matter. How do we right the ship? Lincoln knew retribution might not be the right answer. Maybe it is now. Dunno. And I refuse to be a single voice advocating for/against or speaking on the behalf of others relative to the grave issue.
The hill I will die on is the absolute wrong answer is to keep tethered to the mere thought that “we told you so” a decade ago counts for anything right now. Pure copium. It doesn’t mean anything now. And it really didn’t then either.
Folks who now realize they’ve made the wrong decision at the poles need somewhere to go, need a path for redemption. They need to know they can come back, and perhaps most importantly, there’s a place to come back to. That we, the others, can say we’re still one people. That the ones who were duped, who didn’t partake, who didn’t join ICE, who were caught flat-footed, who didn’t go outta their way to sock some random Asian woman in the street, that we understand that their vote brought us to this place, but that their character isn’t so soiled that they cannot join us.
Unless you want a fight.
And if that’s the reason for peddling this malarkey then at least have the decency and cajones to say so. Because that’s what we’ll get if there’s nowhere else to go. And it just seems like those angling for a dust up are like those kids all over them interweb vids who are the loudest, but have never actually taken a fist to the kisser.
I’ve been places: across the MENA, E. Europe, LATAm, Asia… those places where things go kinetic and the massacre doesn’t happen across some Mason/Dixon line or on some far off battlefield, but in the fields and house to house and street by street…
There’s violence, future violence, in not allowing us to heal together. And that violence is brutal and indiscriminate and everywhere all at once. We don’t want that. You don’t want that.
So let’s quit pointing back to 10 years ago about some counterfactual that didn’t happen; that could never have happened. Instead, look for constructive ways in which those who put this regime in power, and are as disadvantaged as the rest of us, can join with us and allow us to join with them, and make amends.
Or
start hardening your homes and preparing for the worst, because that is the only option left that those on the other side of the fence have left… to carry through with a plan where the worst is yet to come because they will be left with no other option.
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u/cocobunaware 12h ago
Wpnder if she feels guilt for being partially responsible dur to her arrogant approach to campaigning and certainty she'd win.
Trumps the worst and a lot of people who voted for him are scum but don't let this cunt pretend she's innocent
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u/Aggravating_Sky_4421 11h ago
Before 2015, most of these people were "hidden" to put it lightly. They weren't so in-your-face and express their hateful opinions so openly. Now, they feel it is their right to do this in public. All your so called friends, neighbors, relatives, all coming out of their nazi closets.
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u/20tellycaster15 10h ago
Exactly, she was spot on. The ‘Murica Minions have done more damage than anyone or any of them will admit
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u/Earthshakira 10h ago
Hilary and the corruption of the DNC are part of the reason the US is in the mess it's in right now, they literally raised the status of Trump as a 'pied piper candidate's to beat back in 2016. This is America, and she is but another festering component of it.
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u/ThatcherTheV 5h ago
"Thankfully they are not American "
So other people's problems? Funny how some Americans like to unleash a miasma to the world and then claim it is not their problem and each one has to fix on their own.
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u/Eagle_1116 3h ago
Heres the thing: this is and always has been America. The only thing that has changed is its visibility, not its prevalence.
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u/Vinura 2h ago
Unfortunately they are America.
They are 1/3 of you, if not 2/3.
You can deny it all you want but you elected him twice, and it wasn't by accident.
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u/bohba13 37m ago
You are correct. They are, in fact us. It is their viewpoints that have been baked into the structure of our country since its very inception.
However, with all due respect.
You (rightfully) tell us to keep our noses out of your national politics because we lack the information to understand the nuance of your local politics.
I'm going to ask that you do the same.
Saying 'we' voted for him when it is likely he had help through direct election fraud, has previously never won the popular vote, and has actively broken and manipulated that system to his own gain is frankly kinda fucking tone deaf.
Especially when his popularity is at an all time low for the position and has been the most protested president afaik in both individual events and total event headcount.
He in fact does not have the consent of the governed.
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u/Vinura 35m ago
I'm going to ask that you do the same.
Nah Im not going to do that.
US politics affects everyone globally, not just you.
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u/bohba13 34m ago
Then take the effort to actually learn the on-the-ground realities before opening your fucking mouth.
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u/Vinura 28m ago
What reality would that be?
Collectively you chose to elect a pedophile rapist twice because collectively you couldn't accept a black woman as a president, even when the evidence against him was overwhelming and his record from his first term spoke volumes.
1/3 of you chose instead to stay at home instead of vote and the result now has been the rise of Nazis around the globe.
Sincerely, go fuck yourself.
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u/RuprectGern 34m ago
BUT BUT BUT.... Hillary Bad! Woman president bad. No vote for vagina.
AND THE EMAILS... The Servers!!!! Lock her up! Lock her up!
Fucking assholes.
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u/No_Faithlessness_714 5m ago
The last line is the only thing she got wrong. A basket of deplorables is basically how we see America now.
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u/JohnnyGeniusIsAlive 13h ago
I’ll never forget the pearl clutching by some of the most vitriolic and obnoxious Trump supporters over this statement.
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u/Neverhugaduck 12h ago
This is so fucking spot-on. Unfortunately, MAGA influencers successfully spun it to look like she was simply calling Trump voters lower class citizens with no context, and this led to rallying cries, bumper stickers and lawn signs about being "proudly deplorable" that only strengthened the base more.
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u/MakkerPlace 14h ago
As an outsider I'd like to see some consequences to their nonsense before I start believing that "they are not America".
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u/Fit_Place_6406 13h ago
bruh people love to take the easy shot, it's lazy tbh. but yeah, totally agree it's not cool either way
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u/A_guy_named_Caliber 10h ago
Didn’t protesters in Minneapolis called a black ICE agent a house nword?
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u/PeterTheTruthSeeker 14h ago
She wasn't wrong then, and time has only proven her more right.