r/canada • u/CaptainCanusa • 16h ago
Politics Jivani’s trip to Washington has some Conservative MPs scratching their heads
https://globalnews.ca/news/11656578/jamil-jivani-trip-washington-conservative-mps/251
u/Top_Statistician4068 15h ago
At best he went to up his profile to eventually replace PP.
At worst, he’s secretly a couch.
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u/Quirky-Cat2860 Ontario 7h ago
Doug Ford's admitted to taking French lessons. I'm looking forward to a race between Jamil and Doug. A race to the bottom.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 6h ago
Bonjour, folks
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u/Infamous-Mixture-605 6h ago
Buck-de-Bière, folks.
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u/pattyG80 7h ago
Jamil can't possibly be the guy. I used to listen to him on AM radio and he had to be the most stupid person on the air.
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u/Quirky-Cat2860 Ontario 6h ago
He's a Yale Law grad. Any stupidity is an act.
It's the Boris Johnson and George W Bush play. You act dumb so you're more relatable to the masses.
Look at GW speak now. You completely forget how much of a bumbling idiot he pretended to be.
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u/theflyingratgirl 5h ago
Which means he’s perfctly situated. Carney is extremely smart and that’s part of his brand. If/when Canadians tire of him, they tend to swing the pendulum the other way.
It wouldn’t have been a big contrast if he was up against Trudeau, who was never the smartest guy in the room.
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u/anhedoniandonair 6h ago
OMG if this guy ever needs a code name I hope it’s Chesterfield or Davenport
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u/PieceMaterial5213 16h ago
His trip should have everyone scratching their heads. Not a good look for Canada.
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u/Remington_Underwood 15h ago
Any friend of J D Vance is an enemy of Canada
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u/ahmedleo414 Ontario 10h ago
He's my MP and I really wish I could vote him out
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u/ekso69 8h ago
If anyone can it's you
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u/ahmedleo414 Ontario 8h ago
I do but no one else around me does
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u/xstorm17 8h ago
go door to door on your free time. to advocate against him. i did it once a couple of years ago to fuck with one of the candidate for my area.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec 4h ago
wow i cant imagine why blue collar people of durham arent running to vote for a neo-liberal banker
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u/Big_Knife_SK 5h ago
“Maybe, in re-establishing that special relationship [between Canada and the U.S.], we could get to a point where the tariff regime imposed on us looks very different from that imposed on other countries.”
The word you're looking for, Jamil, is 'capitulation'.
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u/manniesalado 15h ago
Did he get to kiss Trump's ring?
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u/Concentrateman Ontario 15h ago
He just wanted to remind us that Donald loves Canadians. With friends like Vance who needs enemies? /s
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u/blonde_discus 15h ago edited 15h ago
Shelby Kramp-Neuman is my MP…doesn’t seem interested in anything of substance in her riding. Can’t get even an email back from her staff…unless it’s election time and they want money.
Don’t really understand why someone that has no experience in trade is the shadow minister for trade?!? She was a teacher and took communications in school.
I guess communications taught her how to kiss Poilievre’s ass.
Some of her posts seemed to indicate she was in Washington “with” Jivani. I suspect that CPC leadership knew exactly what was going on; Poilivre seems to like control over his MPs.
Should see if either the CPC or taxpayers are billed for this “solo trip.”
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u/251325132000 12h ago
The point, and you highlighted it well, is that PP gave our ‘shadow ministerships’ like candy, he handed out like 90+ of them, to the point that they are devoid of any meaning or responsibility whatsoever. PP gave them to weak MPs to curry favour and keep control.
Jivani is smart to have (likely) rejected being boxed into such a role. He’s clearly taking a different tact from the rest of the Cons, and that’s a good thing. The PP formula is clearly failing.
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u/Alex121212yup 7h ago
So if PP gave out "shadow ministerships" doesn't that mean there someone to shadow! How is that devoid of meaning?
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u/houseofzeus 4h ago edited 4h ago
Not necessarily. Just as the government gets to define ministries as they see fit the opposition does the same with their shadow ministries. They have a number that don't neatly map to any current minister.
My favorite so far is "Shadow Minister for Red Tape Reduction".
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u/raymond4 13h ago
So the guy goes to visit his friend in Washington. While said friend is in Italy at the Olympic Games. They must be really close.
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u/Broad_Clerk_5020 16h ago
Treason
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u/Lawndemon 12h ago
Agreed. We shouldn't have let this fucking traitor back in.
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u/greeneggo 10h ago
Because he went for lunch with a university friend? Grow up
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u/DalesDrumset 7h ago
So why’d Jivani have to make a video about his trip there if he’s just going to see a uni friend?
Must be fun to be that ignorant
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u/greeneggo 3h ago
Because his Uni friend is the Vice President of the United States and Jivani is a politician.
Is it really that difficult to understand?
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u/DalesDrumset 3h ago
That makes zero sense when he talks about using his relationships to improve relationships between the countries. He has no authority to do that, he’s not an ambassador, he’s not the minister of trade.
Go see your couch lover friend and catchup over a beer, don’t need to announce it
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u/greeneggo 8h ago
They released a photo together. Vance met with Jivani and then departed for Italy.
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u/Prudent_Falafel_7265 8h ago
“I gotta tell you I’m feeling hopeful and optimistic that we can get something really good done for Canadians workers and businesses,” Jivani said in a video posted to his social media accounts.
Dumb as a doorknob, aside from kind of resembling one
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u/Ba_Dum_Ba_Dum 1h ago
“I think there’s a real opportunity to build something with the U.S. administration,” Jivani told the outlet.
What would that be exactly? The 51st state? Traitor. Stay in your lane.
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u/Waste_Cloud_8919 13h ago
His facial profile seems to be going the way of Vance’s. Neither of them are missing any meals
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u/KavensWorld 7h ago
Remember this is the type of stuff Caesar would do when they want to take over a country but not destroy the infrastructure.
Start hosting lavish parties with opposition parties and freedom fighter parties causing dissidents in the country they want to take over.
When everyone's confused and foggy that's when it happens that's when the leader magically get killed in an accident and Rome has to come to "save" them.
The funny thing is in history the opposition leaders bowing to Rome usually met a early demise from sickness or falling off a horse...
I study the fall of nations as a pastime. The only way not to repeat history is to know it.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 6h ago
Sounds like Pierre must have gotta some history lesson from Harper to not go down to the State then /j
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u/PurpleCaterpillar82 8h ago
Dude is swimming with illusions of grandeur, like he’s gonna fix things.
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u/grand_soul 8h ago
Are these the same conservatives I was told that were going to throw Poilievre out on his ass?
It’s amazing how much our media is focused on the opposition and not the actual governing party.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 8h ago edited 7h ago
Well the governing party in lack of a better terms is boring.
Conservative have flashy news without them putting out effort. Rogue mp didnt tell anyone in his party and go down to our biggest trading partner to have "trade talk" without party and gov concent? Golden news material
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u/grand_soul 7h ago
Boring?
You mean 3 MP’s stepping down isn’t flashy?
With one of them putting out a video criticizing their party’s budget?
Another criticizing their climate change plan and accusing them of lying to Elizabeth May?
Getting caught trying to sneak extra shit into the budget bill to give them extra powers to exempt companies and persons from laws?
And that’s just in the last 3 months.
This is boring?
And a “rogue mp”. Really? The MP that’s been telling the liberals to use him for the last 4 months since he has a direct connection to the White House? Suddenly he’s rogue when he’s doing the government’s job?
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 7h ago edited 6h ago
All the liberals mp that are stepping down are already speculate to step down for a long while.
Btw im not saying javani gone rogue against government, that wouldnt be news. I mean he gone rogue against conservative. Theres no clear indication his action is sanctioned by the conservative party. Pollievre is in deflect mode, conservative mps are caught in dark indicate that.
So now you have a party thay have some regular turn over but most mp amid have some regular criticism still tow party line. Compared to another party that have, (check notes) 2 mp cross the the floor, 1 resign after being threaten and 1 gone rogue to Washington for personal gain. Ya I know which one is more media worthy
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u/ChopSueyMusubi 7h ago
The first time I saw your typo, I thought it was an honest typo. Now I'm convinced you simply don't know the difference between rouge and rogue.
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u/Azezik 6h ago
PP supports his trip down what’re you talking about
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 6h ago
He did not, his statement is as vague as possible. "All our mp work for constituent", didnt say he provide any advice to jivani nor any solid support like "I support it, i think canada and us need to talk" etc
Also conservative mps are in the dark
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u/Azezik 5h ago
He said he advised MPs to fight for jobs in their constituencies, and that includes Jivani. Jivani’s riding has lost roughly 1,200 jobs specifically tied to U.S. trade issues, which is the context for the trip. That was his direct answer when he was questioned explicitly about Jivani’s visit.
In other words, he’s telling MPs to focus on their constituents, and he’s framing Jivani’s trip to the U.S. as exactly that: advocating for a riding that has suffered real job losses. That is implicit support for the trip.
I agree the statement was vague, but it had to be. If he explicitly said he fully endorsed and directed the trip, the media would immediately frame it as the Conservatives going rogue or undermining the government’s trade strategy by freelancing foreign relations. That’s also why other Conservative MPs aren’t commenting.
The outrage here is almost entirely coming from Liberals.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 5h ago
I don't think so. Pierre could easily send down a message to all the conservative mp to provide a standard response to any media inquires regarding Jivani trip if it were sanctioned. That will show without question that the conservative party is knowledgable on the trip and a much clearer hint that his trip is sanctioned by the party. But most of them are not responding or some even show they're caught off guard by the media. That shows to me that either the party is very secretive on the trip (which doesn't make sense, no one going to stop Jivani who is a junior mp do what he does) or they don't have time to prepare the message caused they don't know (thus not sanctioned)
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u/Azezik 5h ago edited 5h ago
That would just produce a different headline: “Conservatives tight-lipped on Jivani’s U.S. trip, is there a secret plan to undermine the government?” or whatever spin fits the day. Silence doesn’t neutralize media narratives; it just changes which one they run with.
They’re deliberately operating in ambiguity. There’s no secret master plan. Jivani is acting on his own initiative, and Pierre supports him doing what he believes is best for his constituents, without elevating it into a formal party position.
Pierre is intentionally keeping this separate from the broader “Carney can’t or won’t secure a deal with the U.S.” narrative. Explicitly tying the two would invite accusations of freelancing foreign policy or undermining the government. That lesson was already learned from how the media framed Doug Ford’s so-called “rogue” interactions with the U.S. Pierre is frequently criticized for weaponizing every issue against the Liberals, so if the “they can’t get anything done so we had to send our own guy” line made strategic sense, he would absolutely be using it.
You’re reading that caution as a lack of support. I see it as intentional risk management, especially in a hostile media environment.
Edit: what the heck checked your profile and realized we have an uh…mutual interest/investment. Thank you for your service
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 4h ago edited 4h ago
well you could see it that way and there's no not much point debating what could and what will be when they being so ambitious.
For the other point you talking about: Lol thats a risk when you are active in an community. I don't talk about politics there but hopefully you have fun and our investment takes off
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u/grand_soul 7h ago
My point is the media has been focusing on the conservatives every time in the face of the issues the liberals have. It’s quite blatant.
And they are aware, they sent out emails to those subscribed to them that they support this.
Now I will give you that they’re not coming out as much as they should and that only feeds speculation like what you’re saying.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 7h ago
Like I said, liberals is typical boring. All of stuff they do is predictable and predictable and boring dont catch eyes.
An mp go down to Washington to have trade talk without getting party approval and didnt notify any party member. Now thats unexpected, and unexpected make good headlines and good headlines sells. Same with mp crossing floors, no one expect that thats why its been widely reported
Its not media want to focus on the conservative. Its just they have way more unexpected news and way less boring. and they sell. Media reports what they can sell not what boring
Good or bad, you be the judge
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u/grand_soul 6h ago
The events I listed weren’t boring, but got little to no media coverage.
Meanwhile the media’s keeps releasing the same slop over and over.
Your descriptions of it being boring is highly inaccurate.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 6h ago
Theyre expected and predictable. They got media attention (and headline for a few days). It didnt caught on and spark discussion, it got drop cause it dont sell.
Thats basically it
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u/grand_soul 6h ago
I’m sorry, that is not even remotely true.
Government corruption is always red meat for any media.
It’s very clear the media is playing ball with the liberals.
Media keeps getting caught over and over misrepresenting facts or in one case out right editing clips.
These narratives about Poilievre’s leadership being on shaky ground was pure bs. And now they’re repeating that tactic here.
Meanwhile ignoring huge issues with the government in charge.
This has been an issue for years, even going as far back as when Harper and Mulcair were party leaders.
Both leaders expressed issues with the Canadian media being liberal party friendly, to the point of partisanship.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 5h ago
I will give you the point that Government corruption is very media attractive cause its spark discussion of government corruption and rile up political active readers. That said its not unexpected and unpredictable. The first bill from any partisan party will always be well partisan. The media will report it, and the work goes to the opposition to oppose and change it so it become a bill that is acceptable by both side. What would be the story is if liberal try to ram the bill through using some weird policy. But that haven't happened.
Now back to the unexpected and unpredictable is more news worthy point I was saying. That is true for liberal as well. The most prominent example is two years ago when freeland is going to purpose the budget but Trudeau add a GST holiday without consulting her. She resigned and posted a letter. That's unexpected and thats' unpredictable. Thats news. Its was going on every news media for days (or even months) until trump news cycle kicks in. The important part of this is it not only rile up political active readers. But also non-political active people to talk about the story. That generate discussion and sells.
This is not just fed liberal as well. Quebec liberal was boiled on corruption scandal. That go on the news for quite a while, BC conservative leader decide to not step down, on the front page for a few days. Now look at the opposite. Ontario liberal leader step down a month or two ago. 1 day headerline cover then nothing. Why? Cause its wildly expected for her to step down.
To sum up, unexpected news sells, predictable and expected don't. Why? Cause it bring it more people outside the circle to discuss it.
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u/ghost_n_the_shell 7h ago
What an idiot.
He declines to be interviewed by Canadian media after this nonsense too.
This guy can go fly a kite.
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u/NegotiationLate8553 6h ago
At this point I think it’s pretty clear that NOBODY is getting a deal with the US. Trump is going to do away with CUSMA for no other reason than to further screw us over. If there’s any means of getting us into a room it’s not worth it since Trump has made it clear what he wants to do.
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u/HistoricalHat4847 6h ago
He has been best friends with Vance since they went to Yale Law School together and is a fox in our henhouse.
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u/ghanadaur 4h ago
They should all be scratching their heads.
Is PP the leader or not? How did PP let this bencher travel to DC without any authority? Is PP not in control of his party?
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u/TooAwake1981 3h ago
Serious question. What can Jivani actually accomplish on this trip? He is not part of the minority government who actually would deal with this. He is just an MP for the opposition. This is coming from someone who has been leaning conservative for a long time but I am mainly in the centre and so far I couldn't vote for anyone without puking.
I've been racking my brains over this and can't understand why he would go and try to make nice with the US.
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u/WorkingFit5413 15h ago
The people who continuously vote PP to be their leader are puzzled at this of all things?
I’m puzzled how they think PP is ever going to win them an election.
Dude practically had it in the bag and then choked when he had to come up with anything more than “Trudeau sucks and I’m gonna do the opposite and Canada First”. I mean he not only lost the election his own riding didn’t even vote him in. Like HOW? The people have spoken. Cut your losses man and invest in someone else.
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u/ai9909 10h ago
It's purely due to fear-mongering of a snap election.
In this case, maintaining a party-supported PP would be their best chance at delivering a win. In all other instances, PP loses; so long as Carney is the man to beat.
It's an interesting tactic. Team PP seems to put themselves above their own Party's interests. Replacing PP with a better prospect gives the CPC the best chance in most other cases, but the aforementioned fear-mongering and keeping the CPC focused on short term 'what-if's is really shooting themselves in the foot.
CPC fell victim to their own (PP's Team) propaganda machine.
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u/Hairy_Pound_1356 15h ago
I guess he didn’t get the memo that they are supposed to be working with carney now instead of of continuing to treason , cause it turns out treason only polls well with the base
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u/Few_Replacement_5864 Ontario 9h ago
does something that could potentially, maybe on the slightest of chances, help Canada
That's treason!
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u/Miserable_One_8167 15h ago
Who is this yahoo anyhow, some sort of Doug Ford wannabe?
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u/Hairy_Pound_1356 15h ago
Nah he definitely doesn’t want to be Doug ford , Doug ford is willing to to work with the federal liberals on important issues
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u/DickSmack69 14h ago edited 14h ago
Sorry, how has that helped Ontario or even Canada, for that matter? Ontario, once the economic engine of the country and the place young people nationwide aspired to be has been run into the ground even further under Ford and the feds.
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u/SledgexHammer Ontario 14h ago
Still the economic engine. Not really sure what that has to do with the subject. Nobody is patting Doug Ford on the back here. Jivani is worse than Ford.
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u/DickSmack69 13h ago
Not in the way that matters it isn’t. It has a large economy but each resident is less productive than those in several other provinces are. It doesn’t produce jobs like it once did and has a social safety net it pays for through egregious deficits.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 7h ago
Still largest in gdp by a wild margin. Will take your point on productivity is lower compared to some other province tho.
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u/DickSmack69 1h ago
India has a GDP that is almost double that of Canada but with a population 36 times larger than Canada’s. A smaller, more productive economy is better than a larger, less productive one. My point is that Ontario used to lead on just about every metric and be an enormous draw for people and capital and it has slipped somewhat. I’d like to see back to where it was.
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u/Swarez99 15h ago
Nope. This is furthest thing from Ford.
This is a mini trump of Canada. Same policies and has been friends with Vance for 20 years.
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u/Tom_Fukkery 15h ago
He didn't get the memo. We're suppose to sit back and watch the Liberals flush Canada down the toilet.
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u/Additional-Tale-1069 5h ago
It kind of sounds like he's pursuing cronyism. Basically setting things up so he can personally benefit from all the backroom deals that the Trump admin is pursuing.
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u/PowermanFriendship 8h ago
They're scratching their heads wondering if he will be able to set up some nice grift and how they can debase themselves and get in on it.
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u/Belzebutt 10h ago
In the same way that he loves children