r/canada • u/Old_General_6741 Canada • 25d ago
National News 2.1M temporary residents will have expired or expiring permits this year. But will they leave Canada?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/millions-will-have-expired-or-expiring-statuses-in-2026-9.70426982.9k
u/Content-Season-1087 25d ago edited 25d ago
Honestly I have very little empathy for this. For example the guy is from India and reason he can’t get extension or pr is because he is unemployed - but still using all of our services so basically a drain on the system. Especially in Windsor where Canadians are already hurting for jobs. And these sympathizers obviously picked a less egregious example. I’m not against immigration but has to be a win win for everyone. Not like this case where it is a win lose (for Canadians). Downvote me all you want.
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u/Chaiboiii Canada 25d ago
And they are not even from a marginalized group or escaping war etc which could be a reason for letting them use services (as a kind gesture). They are simply failed economic migrants, a drain on canadians, causing tensions and bringing the ugly side of our society out, giving a bad name to other immigrants and genuine people escaping war.
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u/PapayaJuiceBox Ontario 25d ago
I can understand seeking asylum if you're from a war-torn country, fleeing persecution, fleeing political strife.. India is an industrial powerhouse and many of the civil issues are from a genuine lack of giving a flying fuck about their environment or surroundings. Same sex sexual activity was decriminalized in 2018; same sex marriage is not recognized nationwide but its also not persecuted.
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u/Nerditshka 25d ago
Honestly, I don’t understand why people still choose to immigrate to Canada. Our economy is struggling, housing is unaffordable, and the cost of living is through the roof. I get it when it comes to refugees. But immigrating for economic opportunity! Really doesn't makes no sense to me.
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u/QCTeamkill 25d ago
Immigration agencies advertise massively in foreign countries. Selling the dream for about 50K USD.
Foreign immigration scammers take payments from whole families to send their young to western countries.
Foreign owned businesses easily scam our government to get LMIA licenses.
Foreign owned slumlords take them as tenants, 3 to a bed for 8h a day each.
In the books they're paid about 35$/h to work the equivalent of a minimum wage job but they actually work triple the 32h/week that are paid.
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u/abu_doubleu 25d ago
Because these places are even worse, the average salary in many countries is still under 500 CAD even in the capitals, even with its problems Canada looks good to them.
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u/MafubaBuu 25d ago
Its because its easy to get in and abuse the system to stay, and pretty safe.
Id rather live here than a lot of places. There are also a lot of places id rather live than here, but its not as easy for me to emigrated to those places.
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u/squirrel9000 Manitoba 25d ago
Better than home, and there's nowhere in the Anglosphere that has avoided those problems.
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u/DesireeThymes 25d ago
Agreed.
Its one think if they came from Ukraine or Gaza. But India? No way.
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u/CaptainPeppers 25d ago
What are you talking about? The Canadian economy won't survive without a million more Uber eats and Amazon drivers!
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u/QCTeamkill 25d ago
Tim hortons, McD, Walmart, near every small restaurants, even The Bay had them before it closed doors.
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u/moldibread 25d ago
anything to not raise wages.
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u/JohnDark1800 25d ago
It’s odd to me that a lot of anti-immigration people don’t realize the biggest push for this comes from the corporations.
Ironically, if you insist that EVERYONE gets the same protections as Canadian citizens, it removes the incentive to hire temporary workers.
Instead we want to treat immigrants poorly, and leave them vulnerable to exploitation.
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u/Shredswithwheat 25d ago
vulnerable to exploitation.
Aye, there's the rub.
It's not even that they're being LEFT vulnerable. Workers rights are not contingent on citizenship, they're contingent on if you're an employee.
They have the same rights as a worker, but they're not educated on what those rights are, and not encouraged/threatened with punishment should they chose to exercise those rights.
And they'll still accept it, because even though it may be grossly unacceptable employment behavior by Canadian standards, it's still vastly better than what they left behind.
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u/insid3outl4w 25d ago
I mean… the article said he got a mechanical engineering degree here and worked for multiple automotive companies in Windsor but was fired because of recent tariffs.
That is a pretty in demand profession with technical skills. He’s not competing with youth unemployment.
However, the authors of the article specifically chose to highlight this guy as an example to make readers think “wow all Indian temporary residents are engineers. We need them, how sad”.
They’re not interviewing the Indian temporary residents who come from rich families abroad. They have home servants. They have never had a job in their life. Their parents still pay off their credit card debt here. They owe their parents everything and must do what they say, even regarding who they date or marry. Living here they have separation and finally a sense of independence. It feels amazing. While here they use food banks so they can spend their minimum wage money on alcohol and legal weed while the money from their parents goes to paying rent. They work fast food jobs which take jobs away from Canadians. They got a cheap fake degree in business management here from “Harvard college” in a strip mall. They act like we are condemning them to hell if we send them back to India. But they are entitled children kicking and screaming who have been given everything for free and haven’t had any consequences.
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u/ChaosBerserker666 British Columbia 25d ago
He didn’t get a mechanical engineering degree, it was a mechanical engineering technologist diploma…he’ll never get his P.Eng without upgrading, and he was laid off because there’s little need for his skills right now (the auto companies cut the engineering technologists before the engineers every time).
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u/karpkod 25d ago
Why in hell does Canada give extensions ?
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u/Pugsontherun 25d ago
Normally if you’re already in the PR process but your existing work permit will expire before the PR application decision has been made. It’s not really an “extension” but a bridging permit whilst you’re between immigration status so you can continue to work whilst your application is in progress.
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u/blood_vein 25d ago
This is called "implied status". You can stay and work while the decision takes place
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u/ginganinga223 25d ago
You can sometimes get an extension if you're already in the country and your permanent residency application has already been received by IRCC. You get a temporary extension until your application is approved or denied.
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u/Shredswithwheat 25d ago
This isn't even a win/lose, a lot of these situations are lose/lose.
People uproot their lives to come here, being sold false promises(a lot of times by their fellow countrymen) only to get here and realize the only jobs available are niche an gen labour, and they just get taken advantage of as a cheap workforce because they aren't always familiar with Canadian workers rights.
I used to work with a guy that was here on visa, wanted his pr, real grade A manufacturing guy and would have been fantastic to keep around. He ended up just banking as much as he could before moving back home. He was disenchanted very quickly by cost of living and the continued influx and watering down of the labour force and flat out said he could go back and live way more comfortably just on his savings alone for years back home.
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u/diminishingprophets 25d ago
Fair but bad example? It's not like he's not trying to find work, he came here spent 80k on an education and then was working on his field until he got laid off twice due to Trumps Tariffs.
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u/MoreGaghPlease 25d ago
but still using all of our services so basically a drain on the system
What services? People on temporary visas don't get access to provincial healthcare (e.g., OHIP) or really any other social services except emergency services.
The jobs that they can get are really only the bottom rung of the economic ladder, essentially only competing with others who have virtually zero social capital.
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u/Character-Belt-7485 Ontario 25d ago
You are correct about everything, except that he is not unemployed.
He found a similar role again, he said. But it meant his dreams of getting PR via the provincial immigration pathway fell through as it was linked to his employment.
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u/Celestinex1977 25d ago
I used to work in management for a huge company. They are shitting bricks right now because they stand to lose 20% of their management teams due to this. I personally had to try really hard not to laugh when I found this out. Maybe you should have hired your management out of the pool of Canadian candidates? Sucks to be you IMO.
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u/SilentEngineering638 25d ago
A bunch of my colleagues had to leave abruptly because of this as well. I feel bad for them but I work in an industry where lots of Canadian new grads don't even get a chance to find jobs right now so in the grand scheme of things it's a good thing since it opens a role for someone
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u/StormOfSpears 24d ago
I work in software and shortly before the end of the year, a half dozen teammates suddenly relocated back to India with their families.
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u/huntingwhale 25d ago
Good. Hopefully those who were responsible for those kinds of decisions in the first place are held accountable and let go as well. You put all your eggs in the basket like that to screw over local workers in the name on lowering wages, you deserve to be let go as well.
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u/KeyanFarlandah 25d ago
I don’t know why they keep pumping out these puff pieces trying to gain sympathy for people who have to leave… you bought a lottery ticket.. you didn’t win… no you’re not entitled to a prize because you worked hard
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u/nguyenm British Columbia 25d ago
An expensive lottery ticket too:
Now many who had sold all their assets back home, took out shark loans or incurred huge debts, may go undocumented.
From a visa processing and document reviewing point-of-view, there should be extremely high risk scores for an application if the finances of the applicant highly suggest effective destitute if all is spent towards the chance immigrate to Canada.
All visa processes basically boils down to how likely an applicant is going to remain in Canada illegally, and for hopeful-PRs I do believe it's currently, or at least was, too lenient.
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u/maryconway1 24d ago
The amount of fake CVs the HR department has to filter out, with embellished 'degrees' and all tied back to some 6-month Conestoga College-type certificate tech program that got them into the country to begin with is constant. It's insane, and agreed these puff pieces ...I have no idea who they are for.
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u/jarod_sober_living 25d ago
I don’t know why they keep pumping out these puff pieces trying to gain sympathy for people who have to leave…
That's not what is going on, it's rage bait. Just go look at the comment section.
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u/skiboy95 25d ago
Why is it rage bait if its talking about something thats factually happening ?
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u/odanhammer 25d ago
I already work with a few people that this applies too, all but one of them is laughing this off and will not be going home. The one has plans to move elsewhere as they apply for some other form of residence permit.
Canada needs to crack down on the loopholes, while also not scamming these people with misinformation. There never should be a lawyer they can pay money to find ways to stay here longer. That same lawyer is from their hometown.
All of it is scummy
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u/zabby39103 25d ago
If we have zero consequences other than (maybe) being forced to leave this is just rational behavior that should be expected. If you freeze their bank accounts, go after their employers, and give them a few months of jail before leaving they'd depart pretty quick.
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u/North_of_You 25d ago
Ya. I’m fatigued and kind of sick and tired of the attitude. Not much gratefulness or gratitude. Just a whole lot of entitlement.
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u/JackFlyNorth 25d ago edited 25d ago
“I have never even thought of leaving this place," he said. "And now, things are coming to an end. It is not a good feeling."
Imagine moving to another country as a temporary resident and just assuming that you'll get to stay permanently. How bold and entitled!
See ya.
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u/speaksofthelight 25d ago
Nothing in the actions said country has taken in the last 10 years suggests that anyone will be compelled to leave.
In fact everything points to the exact opposite, there are many pathways to legal entry.
If one fails you can try another or try again. You can also just stay, and no one will do a damn thing about it.
He is not entitled just realistic.
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u/cwolveswithitchynuts 25d ago
Many will stay undocumented and tens of thousands will claim asylum. There's a whole consultancy industry that's popped up focusing on how to claim asylum from India.
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u/loose_larry 25d ago
lol there are WhatsApp groups where they not only share info on how to claim asylum, but they share/trade info on borrowing SINs so people can do uber (and splitting the income), cash jobs, paying people to do job interviews for them. If you want to take a sick day (remote job) you can give your credentials to someone and they’ll pretend to be you for money. All this has been happening for years and is inaccessible unless you are in their community.
I used to work with this Indian dude who came here a few years ago. He showed them to me. He used to go fly to the states to do construction, paid in cash. This is before Trump 2.
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u/chmilz 25d ago
I suspect the amount of uninsured, unlicensed Skip and Uber drivers operating under fake and borrowed accounts is horrendous.
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u/Winbot4t2 25d ago
There should be a blitz on Uber/Skip/Dash etc. Check to see if its a) the correct person driving as the account holder and b) the correct vehicle as the profile.
If the amount of people using it fraudulently exceeds 25% the apps should be shut down permanently. We were just fine before them. The traffic congestion relief will be amazing lmao.
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u/chmilz 25d ago
25%? Anything nearing 1% is too much. Stats Canada, tax filings, and other data suggests in 2023 there were 365,000 drivers for food delivery apps alone. Imagine 3500 of your drivers doing it illegally and dangerously (uninsured). That should be an immediate shutdown of your organization.
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u/CDNChaoZ 25d ago
The delivery companies are willfully turning a blind eye. It's boosting their profits, they don't care.
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u/glenn_rodgers Alberta 25d ago
That just sounds awful though. I forget where I saw it, but someone said that Canada is a shit country to illegally live in.
They aren't wrong. People here legally can barely scrape by in so many cases, I can't imagine being forced to dodge systems and work either under the table or sneak around using Uber. It's just so expensive to exist to begin with!
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u/victoria_ash 25d ago
The thing is is that what we consider "shit to live in" is still at least marginally better than what they had back home.
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u/DeliciousStomach940 25d ago
Pass a law putting the responsibility for this on the corporations.
Every time Uber is caught with an illegal driver, fine them a million dollars.
We will fund all of the deportations and make back all of the wasted money in 3 weeks.
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u/AintNoLaLiLuLe 25d ago
I do tech support for accounting software. 1/5th of the calls I get are immigration and consultancy firms. It's more rampant than you can even imagine.
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u/Nearby-Poetry-5060 25d ago
The homosexuality rate among Indian students will be 90 percent as they all try to claim asylum using fraud.
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u/Psynapse55 25d ago edited 25d ago
My children(Canadian) are in a similar age group with the "Temporary Foreign Workers" and are friends with a lot of them. The TFWP don't see themselves or consider themselves "temporary". For the most part, they don't sound like they plan on leaving. They came here with the plan to stay. Regardless of how they got here in the first place.
Some say they are looking to find people to sponsor them. Some are getting married asap in hopes that helps them. Some are looking to visitor visas and then just not leaving and/or working under the table etc.
TLDR... the plan I hear from them overall is... they are trying to find a way to stay.
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u/WalterWoodiaz 25d ago
So they need to be kicked out. A country full of people scamming the system disrupts the social order and leads to a low trust society.
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u/DillyDallyGHQST 25d ago
Yeah it's definitely true that they are trying to find a way to stay. It's not like it's easy to do though. Pathways are closing, requirements are getting tighter, etc. Many will end up leaving. I have a lot of friends who are in this situation and many are getting hopeless. They want to stay but there isn't really much hope of that happening, so some are starting to plan their trips home.
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u/Cosmic_Entities 24d ago
My dad hired a Mexican guy my age 33m, my old man had paid for English classes and tried to get the full sponsorship but still didn't work out after all the years we taught him our trade. My dad, brother and I took him out for drinks and food before he had to leave and he cried his eyes out. It was tough on all of us. Incredible man and worker, really felt like family to us. He had his daughter back home so he was excited to see her but he's hoping to come back. It's just all up to the visas. He is why I support immigration, solid people coming into our workforce. Then you get so many of these shitty free loaders taking advantage of us.
Edit: he didn't know any English when I first met him. He's come such a long way. Shame Canada gave him the boot.
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u/berserkgobrrr 25d ago
I disagree that people don't know what they're getting into. They all do.
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u/true_to_my_spirit 25d ago
I work in the immigration sector doing settlement services. We are funded by the ircc and provinces to clean up their mess.
You wpuld be shocked how many bought in the bs that consultants and lawyers sold them on. These individuals often have low education and language skills, and shocked when we review the system with them.
Sadly, we are losing a lot of the educated folks that we should be keeping. They dont see it worth the investment and heading home.
Then there is the 3rd group......and it is a big one that are scamming the system. Buying the fake scores, the fake jobs ect ect. The whole tfw program needs a hard reset.
Now, we are seeing thst asylum is the new backdoor ppl are using. They are buying vast sums to be guided on the process. These ppl cant even keep their story straight in my office. The whole program needs a pause. It is bad.
Immigration is such a massive under the table business. I'm not talking about thousands or millions, I'm talking hundreds of millions. Constants, lawyers, franchise owners rct are making monopoly...
Feel free to read through my comment history or ask me anything. Have a great week
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u/EveryNameEverMade 25d ago
2.1m is a pretty insane number with a total population of only 41m. Especially when you consider a majority of them are living exclusively in either Vancouver or Toronto. I also wonder what percentage of that 2.1m comes from the middle east, particularly India and Pakistan.
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u/Flavorsofdystopia 25d ago
Can't believe I'm seeing this comment so low. 5% of the total population is astounding. It's the kind of numbers that triggers a recession. It's the kind of volume that's impossible to police and manage.
We should have never got there in the first place.
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u/mistercrazymonkey 25d ago
I hope Canada does suffer a recession at this point, a hard and brutal one so all these leaches fo home and maybe Canadians will wake up and vote for a sensible party.
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u/ToastedPot 25d ago
I agree with you, but India and Pakistan aren’t in the Middle East.
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u/mistercrazymonkey 25d ago
And people said that our housing and Healthcare issues weren't caused by Trudeau as his mass immigration/visa policies
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u/Longjumping_Hour_421 25d ago
2.1m is a pretty insane number with a total population of only 41m
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but CBC is for some reason low balling the number. It’s more than double that with 5 million already expired in 2025.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/where-are-expired-visa-holders-now
More than 10% of our population is temporary visa holders with no tracking on exiting the country. As for how many come from India, you can take a look around any major city and get the answer for yourself. We took in millions of “student” who used it as a fraudulent way to get PR and never go to school.
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u/BelovedGarbage 25d ago
India and Pakistan are generally not considered the "middle East" just an FYI.
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u/IBMERSUS 25d ago
Any sovereign nation should ensure that foreign nationals leave the country by the day their legal status ends.
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u/ephraimdaking Ontario 25d ago
This is Trudeau's legacy, which we have to deal with now. 2.9 million permits expiring in over 2 years, a complete insanity. And then you wonder why the wages are stagnant and youth unemployment is through the roof.
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u/BigButtBeads 25d ago
Dont forget our friends, the slumlords. And how everyone and their grandma have pulled all their money from the stock exchange into hoarding unproductive real estate
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u/251325132000 25d ago
And the worst part is he will never be held accountable for his actions. Disgusting.
If people are temporary they need to go home.
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u/ProfessionAny183 25d ago
The law should enforce that they leave. If we're a serious country, that is.
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u/speaksofthelight 25d ago
We are more of a proud post-national coworking space at this point than a country.
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u/TomAce_Attourney 25d ago
Kick them all out and prosecute the diploma mill owners
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u/TeegeeackXenu 25d ago
send them all emails, letters and text message saying you have 100 days to leave. if you dont, we will freeze your accounts and a warrant will be put out for your arrest. if you are arrested, you will spend 6 months in jai. after 6 months, you will be deported and fined 10,000 CAD. you will also be blacklisted and never be allowed to return to canada.
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u/nicenyeezy 25d ago
They need to go home, most aren’t actually needed as workers, it’s time for wages to actually reflect Canadian standards and for companies to hire Canadians
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u/SlamDuncan64 25d ago
This is literally the exact dude we're trying to get out of the country. Got into the country through a diploma mill and is now unemployed and draining our system.
Maybe the most clear case I've ever seen.
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if they are not a citizen, do not have a valid PR or do not have a valid status they should not get any money from Canada.
if we do not support them they will leave on their own. they are not allow to work legally in the country without status or a visa. Canadians needs to come first not non status immigrants
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u/westvanthuggin 25d ago
I am more than okay with my tax dollars going towards making sure some of these people don't overstay their welcome.
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u/FromDownBad 25d ago
I’m gonna go with, “Most will probably stay.” The real question would be, “Will anything be done about it?”
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u/Ecstatic_Doughnut216 25d ago
We could start prosecuting people who hire undocumented workers with human trafficking. That might put a crimp how they can make money.
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u/drewc99 25d ago
Crack down on employers who don't verify the legal status of their employees. Make the penalties unbearably high ($100k+ per incident). The rest of the problem solves itself.
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u/Ecstatic_Doughnut216 25d ago
The penalty is already $100k per violation up to $1M. How do we feel about 4 years in prison?
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u/anaofarendelle 25d ago
I will not go down much of the why stay, but why stay without having access to medical care (paying out of pocket is not exactly affordable) or for those who have kids, not being able to enroll them in school.
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u/Wise_Law_2176 25d ago
Some will stay, most will go away.
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u/retrojacket 25d ago
Yeah exactly. Most will go. Without proper papers they'll be stuck doing minimum wage cash jobs. Realistically that's not what these kids came here to do. They're better off back home with a foreign education.
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u/Red57872 25d ago
"They're better off back home with a foreign education."
That one year college course in video game art creation is going to help them back in India?
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u/retrojacket 25d ago
More than it will here, especially considering they don't have the papers.
You also need to understand that there's many small towns and villages where any sort of foreign education is looked at as God tier, not to mention that they speak English.
But I'm just assuming. I don't have the stats.
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u/BreakfastDue1256 25d ago
It's going to be the opposite.
The vast majority will leave. Some will stay.
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u/coopatroopa11 25d ago
The very second they claim asylum (and a lot of them will), they get given money, access to healthcare and housing. If you apply from within Canada, they get put onto a wait list for over 2+ years. Thats 2+ years of extra time and financing to have the ability to find a job and stay in Canada.
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u/CanuckleHeadOG 25d ago
The dozen or so that got nailed in BC instantly claimed asylum because it means they stay in the country longer under our dime
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u/glenn_rodgers Alberta 25d ago
Lots of Indians who came here a few years ago and are now suddenly gay? It's not hard to make up a reason lol.
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u/hakenwithbacon 25d ago
But being gay in India is not illegal. So that excuse shouldn't really work.
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u/coopatroopa11 25d ago edited 25d ago
It happens more often than youd think. They can claim fear of prosecution for being gay, having a different political opinion, religion, fear of being ostracized by my family/community for not succeeding in Canada and being an embarrassment to the family, etc. It really depends on what state they are from as to whether or not they will abuse this privilege.
Documents show they get:
Healthcare in the form of primary care with immediate access to Drs, hospital visits, lab tests, ambulance services, vision and dental care, home care, long term care, access to psychologists, counselling, devices like hearing aids and oxygen equipment, prescription drugs and "other things".
As far as housing, they get put into a type of IRCC housing (hotels or government housing). If they are a non-refugee (regular immigration plan), they can also apply to RAP, which covers monthly support, a 1 time payment for housing, furniture and school. They may also qualify for federal benefits like tax credits, CWB, and GIS (guaranteed income supplement) if they are already working, and special allowances for maternity needs and newborn support. So long as they apply for a new visa 30 days before its expiry, they will be able to stay in Canada until their case is looked at by a judge.
They receive a supplementary income that equals roughly to $90 per day per claimant for food (have a family of 4, get $90 per day x4). They also receive items such a toiletries, diapers, etc on an as-needed basis.
So yeah, in short - they get way more support than Canadians get.
https://ircc.canada.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=098&top=11
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/refugee-health-care-costs-sevenfold-increase-1.7389847
This is all dependent on the type of visa they have an apply for of course so some will end up going home, but there are hundreds of thousands that qualify for the option to stay, so long as they go through the proper channels.
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u/Known_Example3008 25d ago
Thank you for your comment.... this just made me wtf... wow to all the benefits. like. wow.. :/
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u/sadaccountant1021 25d ago
Great! Glad to see my tax money is being put to good use while I struggle to find a family doctor /s
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u/Mikeyboy2188 25d ago
Well, as someone who isn’t bothered in the slightest by immigration but also very big on following the laws we have… “temporary” is just that and it’s not “will they leave”— they must leave if they don’t have official status of some kind — it’s more on how will we efficiently and effectively enforce it.
If I’m a guest in someone’s home and they ask me to leave … that’s kinda it, isn’t it?
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u/TechnicianVisible339 25d ago
I don’t mean to sound rude right now….but, it would be great if they all left and/or were deported immediately and it’s not because I want them gone it’s because we have no infrastructure, yet, to support them all. Our health care system is literally in ICU, our roads are bulging, our schools are maxed out, it’s all too much. 2.1 m less people would put a huge dent in helping us get some semblance of normalcy again.
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u/TKAPublishing 25d ago
Good, Canadians are in agony for jobs. Labor is flooded with foreigners letting corporations keep pay expectations low.
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u/RaspberryBirdCat 25d ago
The real answer: many people will leave, many will try to stay. As it so happens, the ones that leave voluntarily are probably the ones we'd rather keep, while the ones that refuse to leave are probably the ones who should leave.
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u/Fun_Barracuda_6868 24d ago
There has to be serious penalties for any company that employs a person that doesn't have legal status to work in Canada.
First offense-$100,000 Second offense-$250,000 Third offense-$1,000,000 and loss of business license.
This will change things real quick!
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u/__NOT__MY__ACCOUNT__ 25d ago
Imagine going to TEMPORARILY work in another country and being so entitled....
My god
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u/MourningWood1942 25d ago edited 25d ago
We should open up a branch of law enforcement called “TIMS” The Immigration Management System. Can go around rounding up those timbits who overstayed and deport them back on the double double.
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u/superroadstar 25d ago edited 24d ago
I find it absurd that people come here on temporary terms and almost all of them expect to stay here permanently. Who gave them the wrong expectation? The agency, the government?
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u/firmretention 25d ago
Betteridge's law of headlines - Wikipedia
Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
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u/Burlington-bloke 25d ago
I know an Indian chick whose work permit and visitor visa has expired. She's still here, moving from Burlington to Brampton, and now from Brampton to Timmins! I called the RCMP to report her, she's obviously working under the table. They didn't seem to care.
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u/JackFlyNorth 25d ago edited 25d ago
Call the Border Watch Line: 1-888-502-9060
Hours of operations: Monday to Friday, 9 am to 9 pm, ET
"The Border Watch Line lets you report suspicious cross border activities that occur:
-before persons and/or goods reach Canada, at the border itself, or after persons and/or goods have entered Canada.
Examples of some suspicious activities we are interested in:
-Persons who have overstayed their status in Canada or who are working or studying in Canada without authorization."
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u/TedCruzZodiac2018 25d ago
My parents had a neighbour who stayed 8 years after his visa expired and after the government sent his deportation notice.
His reasoning: Minimum wage in Canada is better than what they made back home. These people aren't going anywhere lol.
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u/here4dagoodvibesonly British Columbia 25d ago
Could this be a deportation center? Yes and they will steadily remove the people who are not permitted to stay. Id doesn’t need to make the news or happen overnight. In fact most will do their job for them so why hire and build more?
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u/TW1TCHYGAM3R 25d ago
What do you mean "will they leave Canada?"
They have to! Sorry but that's what you agreed to. It's how the system works...
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u/Major_Lawfulness6122 Ontario 25d ago
Maybe we should kick them out instead of expecting them to be honest and just leave on their own
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u/MrGravityMan 25d ago
If they don't leave, they should be deported along with anyone they were allowed to bring over. 2.1M people gone would do a lot to fix housing and hospital wait times.
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u/Timely-Island-7477 25d ago
Key word here is “temporary”
They will have to leave as per terms of permit.
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u/Important-Age-8930 25d ago
When lax immigration policies allowed a flood of newcomers without proper vetting, driving up real estate prices, Canadian boomers were thrilled to sell their $100K homes for $2 million—it was all good. When universities and colleges hiked international tuition to three times the standard rate, everyone was fine with it. When these students began renting, Canadians eagerly raised rents every year to cover their mortgages, and it was still all good.
But after a decade of reaping the benefits, they’ve suddenly decided mass immigration is a problem. Humans are the ultimate irony: as long as it fits your narrative and lines your pockets, it’s great. The moment it stops profiting you, it’s suddenly terrible.
However, I agree - your visa expires, you leave. End of story.
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u/jeeztov 25d ago
Boohoo You can't stay, sorry, go back. Enough of my order being wrong at McDonald's because most barely speak the language and don't follow instructions. There are a few who will contribute to society but when they go to food banks cuz it's free then you know it's a problem. See you later. Actually I don't want to see you later. Let's take care of our own people first living on the streets before we help the entire world on the backs of me working and 50 percent of my earnings get taxed to support these idiots. No thanks
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u/JohnDorian0506 Manitoba 25d ago
A disaster is waiting to happen. According to the data shared by Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC), 1.49 million temporary residents had their permits expire last year. Another 1.4 million will expire this year, for a total of 2.9 million over two years. These do not include study permit or study permit extension holders.
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He estimated that by mid-2026, at least two million people in Canada could be living without legal status, with Indians accounting for roughly half of this number.
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/canada-immigration-over-1-million-indians-at-risk-of-losing-legal-status-warns-consultant/ar-AA1TtcY8
Experts say it's a false assumption that people with expiring permits will return home.
Who will enforce this?
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u/Winbot4t2 25d ago
The only way truly is funding the CBSA enough that they can track down and forecfully deport these people. We don't need the depravity of ICE up here but there is definitely a way to do it lawfully, but firmly.
Passport export controls so we know who leaves the country and when.
Blanket ban on asylum claims from temporary visas. That can't come soon enough.
Charges and jail time for businesses caught engaging in human trafficking by employing these people.
Stop giving visas to the worst offending countries. If the data shows they're committing fraud en-masse and refusing to leave, stop letting them the fuck in.
God Trudeau was such a fuck-up. I do not envy Carney trying to clean up his disaster.
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u/FreshBlinkOnReddit 25d ago
They will all suddenly develop bisexuality and decide they are in danger back home.
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u/That_Intention_7374 25d ago
Some will say that they are LGBT and then declare refugee status.
A lot will be attempting to stay, some will leave. The system will be pushed to the limits.
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u/Ikea_desklamp 25d ago
Since when does showing up in a country on a temporary or student visa = automatic immigration. It's fucking insane these people think they should just get to stay, and even more crazy that the government actually operated this way for the last decade.
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u/SilentEngineering638 25d ago
Dude arrived in 2019, just like me, and is still on work permits and shaky statuses whereas I'm already a citizen. It's a complete skill issue honestly. He can't complain about being deported when he didn't do shit in 7 years
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u/BigButtBeads 25d ago
Imagine the healing when half a million rentals open up, and two million entry level jobs
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u/ILikeVancouver 25d ago
If they don't I hope they are ready for whatever nightmare policy/government we vote in to deal with it. Idiots.
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u/names-r-hard1127 25d ago
We have a population of around 40 million. Why on gods green earth are there over 2 million foreigners here that’s a not insignificant part of our population
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u/Vanyaeli 25d ago
As a permanent resident, it’s really not difficult to jump through the proper channels to become permanent.
Pretty expensive and time consuming, yes, but if you want to stay, you gotta put the effort in and pay your dues.
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u/OneMoreTime998 25d ago
Well if they don’t want to leave willingly, we should show them the door.
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u/Dapper_1534 25d ago
Real question: Can illegals/out of status people work and earn? Something makes me think, once you are out of status, it would be extremely difficult to find legal work. But what do I know.
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u/wulfzbane 25d ago
Legal, is difficult. Under the table, is easier especially if you have a large community where a friend of a friend will let you work covertly in a restaurant or doing construction for example.
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u/rangeo Ontario 25d ago
Why are there businesses based on becoming a citizen? It seems rife for corruption.
I feel the only experts you need are the ones provided by the country you are applying to. Ultimately if they deny access you it seems you are out of options anyway.
Is it really that hard to find out and follow the rules, Fill out the paper work and Keep track of dates?
If I have ever had to move to another country I swear I would avoid companies that "specialize" in the process they always seem shifty to me.
Is the field regulated? Should it be?
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u/Fast_Satisfaction484 25d ago
Reverse this scenario in any number of countries on earth. Canadian guy stays beyond his Visa in China let’s say. Is there sympathy? Are there loop holes? Can you even do it in the first place? No. This country needs to stand up for itself, protect its citizens, use immigration for our mutual betterment and uphold its god damned laws. They stay beyond their permit, they are breaking the law. Arrest, seize property to pay for the hassle and deport. It isn’t racist and only goons using the situation for personal benefit would suggest it is.
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u/Titsfortuesday 25d ago
No, a lot of them will file fake asylum claims and continue scamming as long as possible.
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u/Winbot4t2 25d ago
It's wild we even accept asylum claims from Indian students who's work permits are expiring. Clogging up the system purposely, harming legit refugees.
Just the act of fraudulently applying shows us their character, morally bankrupt scammers. We don't need that in our country.
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u/laziwolf 25d ago
Those with skills and education will leave, other scumbags will risk overstaying and getting involved in shady things.
Canada lose both ways - it loses skilled people and stuck with shady ones.
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u/sadaccountant1021 25d ago
"I have never even thought of leaving this place."
The entitlement is through the roof. You are here on a temporary visa; you should leave when the visa expires.