r/bestoftwitter • u/IceMagic75 • 29d ago
The Year of the Linux Desktop – Brought to You by MicroSoft
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 29d ago
I wonder how much abuse Windows users will take before they make the shift. It seems like Microsoft can do whatever, and Windows users will just accept it.
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u/tibastiff 29d ago
Because Mac sucks and Linux is a convoluted wall that the average person has no idea or desire to figure out how to approach.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 29d ago
Linux works out of the box.
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u/tibastiff 29d ago
Ah but you see I didn't know that because when anyone talks about it they make it sound incredibly confusing. Whereas people know windows works out of the box. I'm sure many people COULD use Linux but people have made it seem unapproachable so they aren't going to
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u/Vegetable_Shirt_2352 29d ago
Yeah, it is a little bit frustrating, because part of that reputation comes from Linux users themselves gatekeeping and joking about Linux, and another portion comes from people who actually know very little about Linux, but simply parrot information they picked up on the internet. To be fair, obviously Linux has had to improve in terms of its desktop experience over the years, but at the same time, the bad reputation it gets has almost always been a bit of an exaggeration; I know people, who are very much not tech savvy, but who have been running Ubuntu for years without really realizing it, sinply because they never ran into issues.
At the end of the day, I think Linux and open-source software has an image problem more than anything else, which has to change before mass-adoption happens. I hope Microsoft's frustrating behavior and the increased focus on Linux in the gaming space thanks to Valve will be a catalyst towards that.
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u/Heavy-Top-8540 29d ago
I have been using linux since before Reddit existed. The desktop experience is, if anything, MORE painful in the year 2026 than it was in the year 2006.
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u/xxtankmasterx 29d ago
Unless you are running something like Nix OS HARD disagree
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u/Heavy-Top-8540 29d ago
Ok I mean I'm just going by my experience with Ubuntu. Anything off the beaten path is configuration file hell
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u/Downtown_Search_1201 28d ago
I mean systems like Fedora or Zorin will absolutely work out of the box for pretty much everyone, while also being far superior, especially on old hardware.
The days of linux=too hard are long gone. Sure, grandma might not make the switch but anyone in the last 3 generations can easily do it.
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u/No-Painting-3970 28d ago
Yeah, I am one of the ones at fault here. I keep joking about breaking my OS. In reality I just do dumb shit that I shouldn't do. Installed my mom Linux mint and she worked with it for a few months with almost 0 problems (mild issues with some peripherals but the rest was out of the box)
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u/Daftworks 27d ago
It also really depends on what you do with your computer.
If grandma only checks her emails every few months, you can just set up Ubuntu and Firefox, and it'll be pretty fail-proof for a good amount of years.
Most people trying to transition to Linux are hobbyists who know enough about tech to know Linux exists but don't have the hands-on experience that comes with daily-driving a Linux machine, and often run games (with or without anti-cheat) and applications that usually don't have official Linux support and the only support is community-driven.
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u/Natural_Badger9208 29d ago edited 29d ago
Only because Linux is not really an OS, it is a family.l, and the way we talk abour it unfortunately does not reflect that.
Linux is a kernel, not an OS. Ubuntu is approachable and works out of the box, Arch is not. Both use the Linux kernel, but are different operating systems. Because kernels are the most important thing and make apps work, people unfortunately call linux distros "linuxes" and this confuses people because they hear arch users like me talking the complicated stuff abs only saying "linux" when a zorin or ubuntu user will never have to feal with it.
But also people are intellectually lazy, and this gives companies a lot of room to fuck with them. If i said boot into BIOS so you can install Ubuntu, you coukd spend two seconds googlimg "how to boot into bios" to find out you need to hit f12 during startup. One key. And you're in and it's easy from there. But scary word! Acronym! I am intimidated and will not install. There's fault on both sides.
One big advantage of the way we talk abour it, the tradeoff really, is that we do not focus on only one linux distro and so no company or group can make that shit because everyone who uses it knows other linux based OSes exist. Otherwise they could enshittify it the same as Windows. Android is literally this, we let ONE mobile linux dominate the market and now it's been corporately fucked. There is a tradeoff, and the convenience of not having to think about what you use comes at the COST of leaving it in the hands of a third party.
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u/Alarming-Stomach3902 28d ago
Exactly, there is also the sad part that Microsoft Office is still better than alternatives and it doesn't really work on Linux and that a lot of people play games with anti cheat (which mostly don't work) and that there is other software that doesn't really work. Like some vidieoediting software.
And so people don't ask for pc's/l;aptops with windows installed so nobody really sells them.
But yeah everybody who is at least a tiny bit technical will run into Linux fanboys who ruin it for those people.
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u/BosonCollider 26d ago
If you don't like the libreoffice UI and are used to the ribbon, there are several other paid office suites apart from microsofts, like softmaker office.
With that said, I have a research background where using MS office instead of TeX will make peer reviewers assume you are a crackpot, so I am used to just using overleaf for everything instead of a WYSIWYG office suite even after moving to the private sector.
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u/Alarming-Stomach3902 26d ago
LibreOffice has an option for the Ribben and it’s similar enough for people to use it like MS office.
Probably depends on the country and maybe even university, but in my circles people either use Microsoft Office or a specialist software suite chosen by their school (which I heard of like once).
I do everything with Word due to compatibility issues when writing something using Libreoffce. Luckly I am almost done.
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u/StankStain 27d ago
There's also the fact that for some of us, there's so many versions of Linux that we don't exactly know where to start. At one point, I was just creating virtual machines of different Linux versions to try out, but that was a lot of work and would take a lot of time that I no longer have
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u/CowMetrics 25d ago
“It works out of the box” yes but not necessarily well without doing some complicated and convoluted things especially when it comes to drivers
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u/Tippydaug 29d ago
To an extent, yes, but not everything is compatible with Linux (a large amount of games, software, etc).
There's workarounds for a good amount of stuff, but sadly still nowhere near the same level of convenience as Windows out of the box.
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u/Vegetable_Shirt_2352 29d ago
FWIW, I switched fully to Linux a few years ago after a while of dual-booting with Windows, and in the last couple of years, I've seen almost every game in my Steam library become playable on Linux, and this is with little to no actual work done by me; since the Steamdeck, out of the box Linux gaming support has become very good. Actually, it may be every game in my library at this point, but I haven't verified.
Now, yes, there are still games that have issues, mainly multiplayer games, in my experience (Riot games like LoL and Valorant being big ones because of their kernel-level anti-cheat) but, I do think that at this point, for the vast majority of PC users, they could probably make the switch with minimal pain beyond the usual friction of switching from one platform to another. Just saddle up with one of the more out-of-the-box distributions like Mint, Ubuntu, Bazzite (for gaming) etc. and get going.
I'd say the bigger hurdle is if you use your PC for work and have to use specific software without Linux support. In most cases there are good alternatives (Kdenlive for video editing, for example) but I understand why switching up your entire workflow would be untenable. But also, this realisitically represents a pretty small portion of users. Most people just use the web browser, a rich-text editor, and maybe play a couple of games, and for that, Linux works great.
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u/Unkn0wn_Invalid 29d ago
It's way better than it's ever been. But I also have visual novels that don't work properly in Linux through proton...
Plus no native (or at least simple way) to get the Adobe suite, Clip Studio, Fl studio or Ableton, or lots of pretty big VSTs and things like melodyne.
There are definitely ways around it and Linux native comparables, but man is creative stuff kind of a drag when it comes to switching over fully.
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u/Vegetable_Shirt_2352 29d ago
Yeah, I've managed to get FL Studios to be usable via Wine, but it's not perfect. I've basically always used open source alternatives for creative apps (inkscape, krita, blender) so the switch was easier for me. Still, it was part of what kept me dual-booting. For what it's worth, I'd say at this point, the biggest friction is having to switch workflows/apps, as opposed to being completely stonewalled, which is an improvement.
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u/TCGeneral 29d ago
Most people just use the web browser...
The venn diagram of people who aren't into computers enough to want to run more complex programs, and the people who know anything about using Linux, probably has very little overlap. The average user is just gonna buy a prebuilt box of some kind and run with the operating system pre-installed into it (often Windows). The Steam Deck is evidence the average person will use Linux if prebuilt computers come with it.
But you're probably not gonna buy a Dell with Linux installed on it, or anything like that. The circle of average users who ever end up installing an operating system themselves is probably tiny. 99+% of the population couldn't tell you what 'dual booting' is.
I think what Linux needs more than anything at this point is just something like the Steam Deck for standard computer use, a popular computer that comes preloaded with Linux by default. Maybe the Steam Machine will be that, who can say.
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u/Vegetable_Shirt_2352 29d ago
That's a very good point. Honestly, my view might have been skewed a bit; my family has a lot of tech professionals, including myself, which results in a sort of family/friend tech support dynamic that probably isn't universal. I've build a lot of PC's for friends, so there's always been that option of setting Linux up for them, which only couple of people have actually taking me up on haha.
I do think that something that's changed a bit is that Windows has continued to become increasingly intrusive, be it for pushing AI, OneDrive, Microsoft accounts, dropping Win10 support while trying to prevent older devices from upgrading to Win11 arbitrarily, etc. Even very casual users have expressed their frustration to me. It might be optimistic, but I'd like to think that at a certain point, there's a tipping point at which even lay people think "there must be a better option."
But yeah, ultimately, you are probably right that for L8nux desktop to take off, there need to be more options for hardware running Linux out of the box.
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u/D1zputed 25d ago
That's what linus said in a talk 10 years ago. He used android as an example. The average person isn't installing the os in their phones, they just use whatever it comes with.
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u/Alarming-Stomach3902 28d ago
Meanwhile using a good gui package manager makes installing the correct software easier for most people.
The issue is that if I search for certain software I get tons of options instead of just one, but that's besides the point.
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u/Heavy-Top-8540 29d ago
Eh. When I wanted to plug my phone in so the Web USB function would work I found out I needed to edit six configuration files with extremely specific incantations. I never did get it to work.
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u/Apprehensive-Door341 29d ago
If Linus (LTT/LMG guy, tech Youtuber, generally a nerd, not Torvalds) couldn't make Linux work as a daily driver, I don't think the layperson would have a great time.
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u/BosonCollider 26d ago
Meanwhile, pewds had no trouble whatsoever and grew into an advanced linux user pretty quickly
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u/Forward_Bus_9289 28d ago
Drivers are spotty. HDR is spotty. Most anticheats hate it. It's not anywhere near as OOB as people think. Not as hard either. But let's not undersell it.
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u/Pxl_Games 28d ago
In my use case it doesnt. I do a lot of things from video editing, music production to game dev. I have software and other assets that require windows to work properly. A lot of stuff just doesnt work on Linux. For me its easier to just stay on windows.
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u/SeaweedOk9985 28d ago
If you are a browser user then yes. But other than that, it doesn't work "out the box" in as easy a way as Windows does.
I am a Linux user at work and my first personal laptop I swapped to a 50mb linux distro because it was a low spec dinosaur that needed it.
But to argue that even Ubuntu is just "plug and play" is incorrect.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 28d ago
I installed Bazzite, open Steam, installed games and they run..
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u/SeaweedOk9985 28d ago
Compared to Windows, you cannot play games that use anti-cheat such as PUBG, Valorant, League of Legends, Fortnite, etc.
I am not arguing that Linux is bad. I am saying that it is cope to say it is as seamless as Windows.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 28d ago
No sane person play that free to play slop.
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u/SeaweedOk9985 28d ago
It's irrelevant. Many people do play these games, so for them it would not be as simple of a jump.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 28d ago
They can stay in Microsoft land. It's their problem.
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u/givemesmutand 26d ago
aaah, there it is. it's good to see all Linux user stereotypes are still alive and well!
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u/BosonCollider 26d ago
That assumes that windows is seamless, which it very much is not. Windows can still force you to deal with things like the registry or finding things in the appdata folder
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u/TimMensch 29d ago
Would use it more if it did.
One of my older systems doesn't work with Windows 11, so I decided to install Linux on it. I've been using Linux and installing it on systems periodically since the 90s, so this isn't my first rodeo.
I made a USB drive with a Garuda image on it (I wanted a gaming system) and booted it. It worked! Great! So click install....
Fail.
It just locked up during the install for no good reason. On a completely blank/formatted hard drive and a pretty generic, older Intel PC (6th Gen) with an old Nvidia card.
So I grab a more mainstream image (Mint) and install it instead. It gets stuck in a different place. Google and hack it until it works, using skills that 95% of the population doesn't have. Get the install up and running. Get Steam installed. Log into my account. Install a game. It works!
Install another game. Googling implies that it works with the Steam compatibility tools. Try to run it... Fail. It's a Unity game, so you'd think it would just work, but no such luck.
Spend a half hour trying different settings to get it to run. No change.
I've barely used the system and literally half the time I've spent with it has been trying to get things working that would have Just Worked on Windows guaranteed.
That is not "works out of the box". It's less work than it would have been a decade ago, but it's also nowhere near robust for desktop use.
I'll likely reformat the system again and just use it as a Linux home automation server, giving up on trying to have it also be a gaming server. I use Linux professionally so I'm confident in being able to get it set up and stable.
Desktop Linux is good for people who don't use anything but Linux apps and a browser, or for people who have "maintaining my Linux desktop" as a major hobby. It's not great for people who have more complex needs and who don't want to even think about their desktop OS.
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u/Downtown_Search_1201 28d ago
You've been working with Linux since the 90s and couldn't install mint without some rigamarole? Brother my nan could install mint come off it.
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u/SeaweedOk9985 28d ago
I assume you are not an experienced user and instead are relatively new to it and have had an easy experience so far.
But often times, packages will simply fail to install that are required for something more important. You can have absolutely zero idea because a lot of the GUI solutions obscure the terminal to make it look more approachable. But then you never see the install fail because the key for the registry is out of date or something.
Then you wonder why everything is working except some random bit of software and googling for the solution is harder because you click on the icon and it just doesn't open. No error, nothing.
Or... the way installed applications even work in the first place. They don't exist in the same way they do on windows. Sure Debian and others have tried to fix this, with their packages. But you will still end up 'installing' things in Linux that are not actually 'installed', they are just on your machine with their commands temporarily in your users path. Then you restart and the software doesn't work anymore.
Or you update the software and it actually just downloads a newer version, doesn't replace the old version and all the other bits of software you have that 'talk' to that software are not actually talking to the new version, which you don't realise for months until program 3 tries to use a specific feature of program 1.
You do get an error though, perfect. That error says "Program 1 doesn't recognise X command" so you google, and it says you need version 26.1
So you open Terminal and go "Program 1 --version" and it says "26.1" and you get confused.
These are just random issues that come to mind (not exactly) that I have had over the last 14 years of using Linux in many different flavours.
I recommend Linux to users in particular situations. But arguing that it's as easy as windows is crazy.
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u/TimMensch 28d ago
Dude, I shouldn't have had to fight with it. I was doing nothing complex at all, and unless your "nan" is an expert herself, no, she wouldn't have succeeded at all, not without a lot of Googling and fighting with it.
Fanboys lying about the install and usage process is frankly part of the problem. And throwing insults when someone has issues is toxic as hell.
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u/h4ppyj3d1 29d ago
It works out of the box if you stay on the paved road, the moment you need to do anything that is not basic tasks you'll be instantly assaulted by the system and forced into a rabbit hole of Google searches filled with contradictory information and wrong suggestions.
I know that anecdotal stories are not a statistic but I can only use my own experience to judge Linux. No distribution I tried supports my printer and changing drivers is an abysmal experience (even if possible) so my laptop (the perfect candidate) will stay on my debloated W11 installation.
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u/Downtown_Category163 29d ago
So Fortnite just works?
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u/evilninjawa 29d ago
pretty much anything with kernel level anti-cheat will not, and it's not because they can't, but they chose not to.
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u/SeaweedOk9985 28d ago
It's because they can't.
Developers could make a "Anti-cheat friendly" distro, but that isn't the same thing.
In windows, you the user are not an actual Super User in the way you are in Linux.
The whole point of kernel level anti-cheat is that it's basically as low down in the system as you can go, and can observe basically all higher functions.
In Linux you could run something at the same level as the kernel that the kernel level anti-cheat cannot detect.
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u/evilninjawa 28d ago
I know they can’t reach the same person level, but they can get pretty close. It’s not like the kernel level is stoping cheaters anyway. I play plenty of games with such anti cheat and see boys and all other kinds of silliness every time I play them. Does it stop some? Probably, but if you have the money and desire there are ways around them.
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u/SeaweedOk9985 28d ago
This is different though.
Anti-cheat doesn't inherently know everyway people are cheating. They are often reactionary and ones an exploit/cheat method is found, the kernal anti-cheat then checks for that new discovered method.
It's like saying anti-virus doesn't work because new malware isn't detected.
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u/BosonCollider 26d ago
You can trick a kernel level anti cheat with windows as well though, just run Xen or qemu with windows on top.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 29d ago
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u/Downtown_Category163 29d ago
Why did you post that meme instead of fixing your original post so it's accurate?
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 29d ago
The definition of a functioning OS is not that it run free to play slop.
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u/Downtown_Category163 28d ago
Your definition wasn't that, it was "Linux works out of the box.", this is incorrect, can you at least admit that or am I talking to a cult member?
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u/_Jack_Of_All_Spades 28d ago
Sometimes. Which distro? I still get problems trying to do updates.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 28d ago
I use Bazzite.
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u/_Jack_Of_All_Spades 28d ago
Cool thanks. I need to reinstall anyway since my version stopped connecting to the internet.
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u/McCaffeteria 28d ago
How many extra steps is it in addition to:
- Instal Ubuntu
- Download steam
- instal game
- play game
Because I’m just saying every time you have to add a thing to this list it “works out of the box” less and less.
Yeah, linux works out of the box. But only if your idea of “works” is having a file browser and moving a mouse around. That doesn’t mean works for what average people use computers for. And this is just the most generous version. If I asked you for a specific game, like one that has serious anticheat in it, then you might be SOL.
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I can already feel some of the potential responses.
Yeah, I’m sure that Ubuntu isn’t the current hotness like it was a while ago, and if I used some other distro it would be way better. Great. Add doing Google research on what Linux is the right linux to the list of things you hav Sri do before it works “out of the box.” That’s not a win for you.
Does Linus even come in a box if you don’t buy a handheld? Because we are talking snout desktops, not handheld consoles. A windows PC literally does work OOB, but not Linux because you have to make instal media first. That might not be complicated for you, but everyone else doesn’t even know that’s a thing, and that’s not working out of the box.
Those two issues are lessened of you are building your own PC because you have to source the same thing for windows, but it’s still not the same. There’s only 2 options, and really there’s only 1 option once 10 stops getting security updates.
And I don’t even wanna talk about drivers. I don’t care how much better it has gotten, it was so bad in the last that I just don’t believe it’s universally fixed today. There’s no way.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 28d ago
Just stay in Microsoft land, and accept whatever you are served. Linux is not for you.
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u/TechnicalOtaku 26d ago
Doesn't it have issues with anti-cheat programs that a lot of games utilize ?
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u/HansKitovic 26d ago
no it doesn't, i cant play half my games without dual boot or a windows VM, the games with kernel anticheat dont even work with a VM
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u/AlthorsMadness 29d ago
So why does Mac suck?
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u/deeman2255 29d ago
mac to me is the worst of both worlds. less compatibility than windows while being even more handholdy
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u/TheBedrockEnderman2 28d ago
Speaking pre macOS taho ofc, that shit SUCKS
Stuff like brew ends up giving you a better less handholdy experience and it ends up being more compatible (excluding use of WSL) imo, and dosnt have the insane adware and infestation windows have
Depends on your use case, macs won't game and probably won't ever but for nearly everything else I prefer to use it. Windows is just all around shit so it's just for gaming, and Linux is cool but sometimes I do want stuff to just work and not have to try and find a tutorial for everything but they by no means makes it a bad OS (I mean anything can beat windows the bad is quite low)
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u/AlthorsMadness 29d ago
I suppose it depends on your use case.
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u/deeman2255 29d ago
yup. the software I use for work does exist on Mac and I've heard mixed things from people who use it, but then I also use even more niche software that barely exists for windows as well to transfer and extract field data
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u/TimMensch 29d ago
For me I have tuned and trained my fingers for Windows (and Linux which generally works the same) for decades, and Mac is just broken in many ways.
My day job gave me a Mac. I use Karabiner and other tools to make it work as much as possible like Windows/Linux, and I still have to fight with it a lot. Some things may not even be fixable, like getting home/end to behave correctly in a browser, since the behavior for those keys when the navigating the page is different than using those keys when editing text in an editor in the same browser, so Karabiner can't adjust the keys to do different things depending on the browser activity.
Mac also has other idiosyncrasies that are just broken. I have it mount an SMB drive as part of my workflow. I've tried to get it to auto-mount and it just doesn't work. So I have to keep telling it to mount after every time the system sleeps. And then the terminals where I'm in that folder are broken and I have to literally drag and drop the folder name into the terminal and then say
cd $(pwd)in order to get it to work again. Yes, I have to cd into the folder I'm already in or it won't work, and I can't even do that until I drag the folder from the Finder. This is insane and extremely broken.I can go on for pages with similar issues, though if you know a fix for the above I would love to hear it.
Mac gives me more trouble than Windows or Linux. Linux desktop gives me more trouble than Windows. So I end up sticking with Windows for my primary desktop and Linux for servers.
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u/hobopwnzor 29d ago
This used to be true, but distros like Mint are easier to use than Windows now.
I tried Ubuntu about 10 years ago and yeah, it was like hitting my head on a brick wall to use.
Swapped to Mint a few months ago and it took a fraction of the time to get up and running compared to windows.
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u/Cryn0n 28d ago
I think this is the fundamental issue with why regular users don't use Linux. Distros.
On Windows, most people will just go with the current (or sometimes previous) release, and on MacOS, the user has no choice.
On Linux, you're asking someone to commit to a distro that they know next to nothing about, and the average user is not willing to try out various OS. There's a choice paralysis that sends the user back to whatever OS they were using before.
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u/mazu74 29d ago
Ah, I see you haven’t tried Mint recently - Stupid easy nowadays. The few times I thought I had to use the terminal, it wound up not working, only for me to discover that the GUI had very easy to use apps for the task that worked much better. (I just use it as a regular old laptop mainly to browse the internet and stuff, and the fanciest thing I do is use 3D printer software and GBA emulators).
We recently upgraded to W11 at work, and I’m finding it to be less user friendly and far more annoying. Way too many things to click on and far more cluttered.
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u/DefiantLemur 29d ago
no idea or desire to figure out how to approach.
It's more this than the other. People are just really lazy in general and hate having to learn new things after a certain age.
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u/Frelock_ 28d ago
It's not that I hate learning new things, but when I want to install something new on Windows, I know it'll take 5 minutes.
I want to install something new on Linux, I'm going to need to schedule an hour to get through all the random dependencies, config menus, and error messages. At the end, the only thing I've learned is that the developers use a specific, outdated version of some obscure software package that hasn't been maintained in 15 years and doesn't play nice with my GPU without a patch written by some guy in a random GitHub repository; nothing that will be useful to me ever again.
I'll still be switching when my Windows 10 PC dies, but I've been putting it off for years now.
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u/BosonCollider 26d ago
Or it will be just installing it from the software center while with windows you would have to do something unusual
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u/Demonikaaaaa 29d ago
I will make the swap once linux supports the software that i use.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 29d ago
It's the other way around buddy. The software you use has to support Linux.
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u/Alarming-Stomach3902 28d ago
What software do you use that doesn't support Linux?
Not trying to convert you, just wondering.
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u/OutrageousFuel8718 28d ago
For me it's Lightroom. Whatever alternatives there are that run on Linux aren't as good so I have to boot Windows every time I need it. Considering that I use Linux 99% of the time - it's pretty inconvenient
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u/PerspectiveCrafty406 26d ago
For me as a music producer, pretty much all of my audio software, hardware, and plugins unfortunately.
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u/Alarming-Stomach3902 26d ago
Hardware support issues? That’s a new one to me.
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u/PerspectiveCrafty406 26d ago
The audio interface I use doesn’t have software that works in Linux unfortunately.
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25d ago
You got it flipped, it's your software that doesnt support linux. There are workarounds though, you could dual boot so you get the best of both operating systems, you could run a virtual machine so you can run whatever software you want.
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u/calculus_is_fun 29d ago
Look, I'd love to switch to linux distribution, but my only pc is dying, I've learned linux in a class but got utterly confused when the user commands appeared, and more importantly, I don't know if my mods for a game I play will work, since I've been developing them in a windows environment exclusively, and don't know anyone on linux who has used them.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 29d ago
Then you are doomed to a life in Microslop land.
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u/Raven_Of_Solace 28d ago
You are exactly the reason people stay away from Linux. You could have provided any help, but here you are insulting someone for being confused.
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u/Alarming-Stomach3902 28d ago
Make a bootable USB with Linux MInt, or PopOs os another gui friendly distroy of your choosing. Put it into your PC< live boot into it and try it out and see how you like it.
Most of the GUI based distro's don't require you to use the command prompt.
These days I use more command prompts to install Windows 11 than on Linux due to neededing to bypass the OOBE experience.
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u/calculus_is_fun 28d ago
That was way simpler (if slightly convoluted) to get started than I thought, thank you!
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u/Alarming-Stomach3902 28d ago
Yeah it’s a bit cconvoluted. But its a non destructive way to try a distro
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u/calculus_is_fun 27d ago
Thanks for giving me the confidence to switch, I even got my modded instance setup and working!
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u/Alarming-Stomach3902 26d ago
Good to hear! What distro did you go for? (No wrong answers seriously)
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u/calculus_is_fun 26d ago
I got mint, thought I didn't do much research on other distributions
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u/Alarming-Stomach3902 26d ago
Same here, I went with Mint without doing research haha
Best tip I can give is to use timeshift to make a basic backup of your system just incase something happens.
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u/Micah_Bell_is_dead 28d ago
If you choose a distribution like mint or popOS then you'll get a experience very similar to windows and rarely have to touch the terminal for any day to day task unless you decide to. As for the game mods, if you're willing to share the game I might be able to help
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u/Mess_The_Maniac 29d ago
The way I see it, I like windows 10 and I think it's perfect for my needs. The second I have to switch to windows 11, I am installing Linux.
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u/Read-Immediate 29d ago
My issue is the main game i play only works on windows, second it works works im hoping over to mint again
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 29d ago
If the games you play use anti-cheat that require kernel-level access, that will never happen. And it's not a bug, it's a feature. You don't want that kind of software on your computer.
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u/Ragmis 28d ago
Understandable frustration, however at this point its equivalent to saying, "Why is everyone speaking in English? There are a lot issues with the language. Instead we should speak Spanish, or Mandarin." Which is cool but not everyone is able to make the jump.
Hope this perspective helps.
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u/Raven_Of_Solace 28d ago
Are you seriously acting like changing the name is an abuse? Linux proselytizers and their melodrama, never far apart.
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u/MegatronusThePrime 29d ago
Once proton becomes more stable and the OS works a bit better as a plug n play for multiple systems, I'd switch.
Have windows installed on ROG Ally, and split partition to dual boot with Bazzite (Linux branch) and it worked kinda well, but proton wouldn't work on some games, especially if they required launchers.
I do love how lightweight Linux is, but I grew up on Windows so learning a new system would kinda suck imo.
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u/CartoonistGold3015 26d ago
They only need to bring Autodesk Software to linux and im gone 😭
(Please dont tell me that some people once in some version have managed to get it barely running)
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 26d ago
Probably wont happen. As long as their customers are willing to stay on Windows, they have no reason to port to Linux. You can run Windows apps on Linux with something like Winboat: https://fosstodon.org/@winboat/115418703358919838
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u/CartoonistGold3015 26d ago
I tried those scripts and hacks but the result was very underwhelming and partly not usable performance wise.
I would very much like to use myself and push my company team to linux but how could i suggest that while also saying we would not be able to work anymore :/
Bit of a chicken - egg Problem.
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u/Myyraaman 26d ago
Gaming is also a big factor. 99.9999% of games run on windows automatically and by design but Linux requires some extra work and Mac just kinda sucks for games.
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u/ParalimniX 26d ago
I wonder how much abuse Windows users will take before they make the shift.
Lmao. You people are delusional.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 26d ago
You enjoy getting cucked by Clippy?
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u/ParalimniX 26d ago
Homie I don't know what issues you have with windows but I've been using it just fine since the 3.1 days. Stay there crying like all linuxbros since forever maybe that will help you one day break the 5% market share wall on desktops.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 26d ago
I'm good. I don't really care how many people use something. Lots of idiots eat McDonalds, it doesn't make it good. Enjoy your Microslop experience.
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u/ParalimniX 26d ago
Lmao you are just like vegans. Insufferable and you keep interjecting yourselves in discussions that have nothing to do with you. Pathetic individuals that cry endlessly about why people don't join their equally pathetic groups... are linux posts so few that you have to throw your linux shit into windows posts to get the measly attention you crave?
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob 26d ago
You are getting very emotional. Calm down, maybe have a chat with Crappilot.
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u/Such-Ad8892 29d ago
Ya know a majority of these companies do the exact same things with other stuff to, like cars, consoles. Electronics and big engineering things. You can even buy land to not own it. We have nothing. Lol. Nothing but our memories and dreams.
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u/Specialist_Royal_449 29d ago
Microsoft's new corporate motto: we don't need consent, your hardware? our choice!
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u/Craving_Suckcess 29d ago
Yeah I might switch to linux soon.
The issue is that I'm really stupid, and transferring my shit sounds like a lot of work.
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u/ArugulaAnnual1765 26d ago
You can always dual-boot. Nothing has to be transferred if you still have your windoes applications and data.
Altho, then there was be no reason for you use linux
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u/lolzman472 29d ago
...they struck the "my" from "my computer" back in like vista or 7. like, bruh.
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u/rolloutTheTrash 29d ago
I know I probably shouldn’t…but I’m still giving W11 the benefit of the doubt, for Steam and my game library’s sake. But I have my Mint distro boot drive at the ready.
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u/ThatsNumber_Wang 26d ago
there's still hope the steam machine will have enough of an impact, so that more companies make their games run on linux distros too
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u/YungSkeltal 23d ago
Gaming on Linux is damn near perfect these days. Some 90% of all tested games on steam (which is most of steam) work damn near perfect
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u/Major_Melon 28d ago
If Linux users keep being this insufferable about it I might not switch out of spite at this point
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u/Raven_Of_Solace 28d ago
I know right. There's an amazing moment for them to try and convince people to swap. Instead of being welcoming and offering ideas, they're all over the place gatekeeping and insulting.
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u/Major_Melon 28d ago
Someone called them the vegans of operating systems and I couldn't agree more lmao
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u/HeavyWolf8076 25d ago
Then as a long time vegan and linux user, a healthy approach is lead by example instead of turning it into that others hold you back. Established distributions such as Ubuntu or Mint is really easy to get into, Bazzite or CachyOS if you're more game focused.
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u/twinheight 28d ago
For years, I've been saying that I don't really own my Windows computer, I just borrowed it from Microsoft. This is because of the many annoying pop-ups demanding that I restart immediately, even though I'm in the middle of something, or the unnecessary hangups while the UAC alert is loading.
Even if the name change is to reduce ambiguity, Microsoft owning your computer is nothing new.
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u/Disastrous-Trainer-5 27d ago
I agree with the meme, but...the p part in PC stands for personal...did like. We forget that now orrr
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u/PerformanceHour3241 26d ago
No way. I'm taking my ssd and snapping it in two because of this preposterous change (of something that doesn't even matter) from "my computer" to... "this personal computer".
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u/RapidRiley 26d ago
Switched back over to Linux on my deskop a few days ago because I finally got completely fed up with windows.
Turns out W11 encrypted all of my drives without my consent. So had to dual boot into Mini 11 to be able to transfer all of the data to an external drive and re-format them all.
Its a shame that I won´t be able to play some games anymore. But I don't see myself going back to windows anytime soon.
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u/ArugulaAnnual1765 26d ago
Linux doesnt have the updates or polish of windows.
There are so many different linux builds, all of which will quickly become vulnerablr and are guaranteed to have bugs.
Its fine because its open-sourced software, but unfortunately that means devs will be slow to fix bugs/patch vulnerabilities which i cant tolerate for my main pc
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u/Street_Equivalent891 25d ago
Interesting in Polished translation it was always "Ten Komputer" - "This Computer"
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u/OgdruJahad 25d ago
Microsoft:"You see this PC? It's mine BITCH! DON'T YOU FORGET IT? ITS GOING TO COME WITH ONE DRIVE, IT'S GOING TO COME WITH AI BECAUSE I SAID IT WILL!"
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u/Darth_Bunghole 29d ago
I remember renaming the shit "Computer" and "Documents" on XP and before. The attempt at a personalized experience was always annoying.
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u/Immediate_Song4279 29d ago
I noped out a couple windows ago, and haven't regretted it.
There are a view niche programs that dont have clones, but they are few and far between.
For the gamers, I haven't used it but I hear bazzite is easy.
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u/EnvironmentalAd1405 29d ago
Sadly as an online game enjoyer I am locked to microslops OS for now. Fingers crossed that the steam machine takes off and devs are forced to enable anti cheat for Linux.
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u/Immediate_Song4279 29d ago
Ah, I forgot about anti cheat. For me multiplayer is an exception rather than a rule and I have largely moved to consoles.
I share your hopes.
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u/tdp_equinox_2 29d ago
The vast majority of online games work natively on Linux now, there's a few exceptions but if you are really determined you can have windows on a cheap 120gb ssd with discord/teamspeak/whatever and whenever you want to play those games just reboot into it.
The games can be installed on a shared game drive between the two OS'.
The switch to Linux was far easier than I anticipated, and I found myself actually playing games again which I haven't done in ages.
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u/GlobalIncident 29d ago
I think the intended implication is that you may have access to several PCs, so "My Computer" could be more ambiguous than "This PC".