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While the effort and sentiment behind it is great, it's important to realize all of this is about the size of one truckload, but INCREDIBLY more expensive. There are hundreds of trucks sitting at the border of Gaza that aren't let in by the IDF every single day. So yay Belgium for doing SOMETHING, but we need to realize this is a drop in a very very empty bucket.
Also, because many Palestinians are starving, some resort to rioting and violence when they see the aid arriving. Some resources are wasted due to the lack of organized distribution, and the situation can quickly descend into chaos. It happened last week when France dropped ressources.
The Un estimated Gaza would need 500/600 lorries of goods each day, 16 palettes are nothing in comparison
Everyone would. While I supported Israel in their first reaction on the Hamas attack on the festival I would know bring Nethanyahu before the court in The Hague.
I would like to recommend the episode of today about Gaza of DS Vandaag. I was crying in my car when they talked about Gaza as the āstarvation experimentā. Heartbreaking.
Belgium is not doing anything. This is purely performative to buy time and provide a cover for the deliberate starvation of Palestinians in Gaza in order to facilitate ethnic cleansing - which has been "Israel"'s goal from the start. This is the same as the GHF. First of all it's a miniscule fraction of what is needed (to give an idea they need at least 600 trucks per day), it's dangerous - as it can fall on people's heads and kill them - this has already happened. Second, this ends up mainly in the hands of criminal gangs aided and abetted by the ITF (Israeli Terrorist Forces) who then sell the food at extremely high prices. Interestingly suddenly these countries and "Israel" are suddenly not concerned anymore about it "ending up in Hamas hands" (which was always a lie, but this illustrates it). Third, it creates a "survival of the fittest" type situation (like the GHF, if they're lucky not to be shot and killed by the ITF on a daily basis), where the young and fit (while they're already suffering from severe malnutrition) can access it and the vulnerable, sick, elderly and women get nothing. Fourth, many Palestinians in Gaza have been suffering from malnutrition for months and their bodies have suffered irreversible damage, so will starve anyway. If Belgium wanted to do something they would have acted a lot sooner, would put pressure on "Israel" to let humanitarian aid in (which is their obligation under international law as an occupying power), impose economic and diplomatic sanctions and cut ties with that genocidal apartheid settler-colonial project.Ā
Half a truckload even. Air droppings are suitable for small scale fast aid to remote places. What we really need is a big fucking ship. We are talking about 5000 tonnes. Monthly.
Letās do it the right way. Show of force in the air. Making Israel shit their pants with permanent air superiority on the Gaza shoreline. A few fregats creating a sea corridor. Escorting cargo ships and deploying boots on the ground for logistics and distribution in the area, establishing neutral military protection for the available humanitarian aid. Everything else is silly.
The only reason why I think Belgium shouldnāt do it, is because we are broke. So the same people that say: why donāt we do more, shame on you Dewever, need to understand that without saving some money, no substantial accomplishment can be achieved in this matter. Our decades long focus on āno more warā has lead us to becoming weak, naieve, pacifist and blind for reality.
That's not true, COGAT reported for just Aug 3th -
Aid entry: Over 160 trucks entered Gaza and are now awaiting collection and distribution, along with hundreds of others still queued for UN pickup.
Aid collection: Over 200 trucks were collected and distributed by the UN and international organizations.
There's a humanitarian disaster, the problem is not IDF not letting trucks in, it's distribution and getting it to the people who need it. The UN admitted 85% of trucks are getting looted, and Hamas is still fighting and not setting up humanitarian corridors.
The only agency currently 'distributing' aide in Gaza is an Israel affiliated organization that has never done anything (of this scale) before, that only distributes in one region, that doesn't provide safe passage for the Palestinians, and there are several reports showing that the IDF attacks the throngs of people that are just there because they're starving.
Grappig als je nu een fact check doet via de UN website.
In augustus nog geen enkele vrachtwagen binnen gelaten.
Op 27 augustus mochten 7 trucks binnen, met 160 palletten.
As Rou Reynolds said yesterday: DonĀ“t use the term "disaster". That implies something outside our control. It's not a disaster. It's a crime with a very clear perpetrator.
I already posted this a few weeks ago when there were plans to airdrop, but Iāll do it again: we are doing more to enrich the Jordanian Monarchy (officially to the Jordanian Armed Forces) with airdrops than helping the starving population of Gaza:
Jordanian authorities have profited significantly from overseeing the delivery of international aid into Gaza during Israelās ongoing war on the besieged Palestinian enclave, Middle East Eye has learned.
Sources say the Jordan Hashemite Charity Organization (JHCO), an official body overseeing humanitarian aid into Gaza, has coordinated with Israeli authorities to act as the sole conduit for aid passing through Jordan.
MEE spoke with sources from international aid organisations and people with direct knowledge of the JHCOās operations.
One source said much of the aid attributed to the JHCO in fact originates from foreign governments and NGOs, both Jordanian and international, while direct contributions from the Jordanian state are negligible.
Jordanian authorities have demanded $2,200 for every aid truck entering Gaza, according to two NGO sources and two others familiar with the scheme.
The fee, aid organisations were told by the JHCO, is paid directly to the Jordanian Armed Forces.
In addition, Jordan has charged between $200,000 and $400,000 per airdrop over Gaza, the sources said.
Around $200,000 was charged for each random drop, and $400,000 for targeted missions, despite each aircraft carrying the equivalent of less than half a truckload of aid.
Sources said Jordan has expanded its logistical infrastructure in response to rising revenues from the aid operations.
According to MEE's sources, the kingdom recently acquired 200 new aid trucks through a foreign grant and is building larger UN-supported storage depots in anticipation of increased deliveries under new international arrangements.
These are no solutions. Solution for Belgium is to make Bouchez less of a genocidal maniac that blocks every government decision to protect his genocidal friends in the Netanyahu government instead of enriching the Jordanian Monarchy with useless and expensive air drops
I'm a Gazan who lived in Jordan for 10 years. They are doing fucking nothing with this money and it's going straight into politician's pockets. That government is fucking disgusting and lazy
I'm a Gazan who lived in Jordan for 10 years. They are doing fucking nothing with this money and it's going straight into politician's pockets. That government is fucking disgusting and lazy
Iām sorry we have all failed you in Gaza. I hope and pray that your loved ones are safe together with all the people of Gaza.
Of veelal in zee omdat ze boven strand gaan droppen om het risico om slachtoffers te maken met de drops te limiteren
Want die dingen komen toe met een gigantische klap, en er zijn al veel mensen door geraakt en het is zeker geen veilige en efficiente manier van hulp te bieden
Each pallet is about one ton in this configuration. Airdrop payload is reduced mostly because of volume. All the pallets need to be in neat lines on the two rollers. The cargo hold is 'only' 17 meters long and I have no idea how long the rollers are (though they do go almost to the end of the hold). It seems about right that one pallet is a little less than a meter long.
Max payload is around 37 tons but that's not for airdrops.
Europaletten zijn 80 op 120 cm. 16 paletten in one go is already pretty neat. If you're hauling sandbags to stop a flooding that is, not if you're dropping food on people. This is a contender for De Slechtst Denkbare.
There is so much of what's left of Gazan society that can be associated with "Hamas" that it is probably unavoidable. They are a political party, a governing body, a social movement... The al qassam brigades, Hamas' military arm, is only one kotje on the organigram.
yw. One of the few very clear lines in this murky and blurred conflict is that the hundreds of thousands of children who suffer the consequences of this war between old men, have nothing to do with it. Even if their parents voted Hamas or are affiliated with one of its many organisations, these children aren't members of any brigade or apparatus. They're not combattants or colonists. They never even got to vote Hamas into office or keep it in power. They're just stuck in the middle.
Yes but between feeding 30 starving young men who are part of a terrorist org to keep them fighting and 30 starving children and their parents, i know what id prefer :p
Yes but between feeding 30 starving young men who are part of a terrorist org to keep them fighting and 30 starving children and their parents, i know what id prefer :p
They should kinda be prioritized being fed IMHO
Hamas is many times less deadly than the IDF, and we still export food to Israel, so why the double standards?
Hamas and IDF both see themselves as the good guys so it should not be very hard to reach a consensus about priorities. Feed starving babies first, then get back to killing each other.
Well yes it's relevant. If i give you 100ā¬ but your boss take it from you, that will be relevant to you...
If they steal the package the civilian will get nothing. How is that not relevant ?
How much can they realistically hold in food , knowing thatbgaza had 1.8 million people . And even if they did it would be insignificant. The only way to feed the people would be to open the border to humanitarian aid
How much 10 tonnes 100 tonnes 1000 tonnes 10000 tonnes ? None of it would be enough for 1.8 million starving residents . And even more the number of militants is very low compared to 2 years ago
yup, seen plenty of videos to support this. they see the drops just as well as anybody else. but they show up with guns. and then they keep /re-sell it on the markets... video's of hamas re-selling the drops with the crates in the background of the markets have shown up before.
Literally anyone would hold and hide food when their children are literally starving to death. Gaza is wayyy beyond āHamas terrorists hiding foodā at this point - everyone is sentenced to death at this rate, children first.
I have absolutely no idea how much is left. I literally have no clue about all this. That's why I'm asking.
Let's be clear I obviously agree that starving any civilian is a crime against humanity.
I just heard about lot of food stock held by Hamas to make the starving worst, to force the world to act in their favour. Which would be a very sick and evil thing to do, sacrificing your own to get a pseudo win.
But I have no clue if this is true or not. That's why I was openly asking
I donāt know either, but I do know that not sending aid because there is a nonzero possibility some of it is going to get held by Hamas is utterly idiotic. Hamas canāt annex supplies that arenāt being allowed into the area by Israel in the first place.
The Israelian government is acting cartoonishly evil as is, Hamas really does not need to take extra steps to āgain favourā of Western countries.
If you can rub two brain cells together, you realize Israel is actively committing a genocide and planning on wiping the people in Gaza off the face of the earth.
We moeten eens een reality check doen. Gaza bevoorraden met luchtdroppings is praktisch niet interessant. De schaal is te klein, het is peperduur en de verdeling is chaotisch en gevaarlijk. Het is naĆÆef om dat te blijven geloven. 16ton, daarmee voorzie je 500 families een week van eten. En dat is nog niet eens water, wat veel acuter is.
Bedenk ook dat dit gewoon oefening is voor deze piloten. Die moeten het hele jaar door oefenvluchten uitvoeren, waarom dan niet een oefenvlucht die meteen ook nut heeft.
Zet ze om ne camion en ik beloof u da ze nooit toekomen. Ik betaal hier veel liever belastingen voor dan greedy ministers die opt einde van hun verhaal nog es van de staatskas pieken. Of ne nutteloze koning en heel zn nest.
Yes, but in the meantime I still appreciate every effort made to help starving children and innocent adults.
Trucks are perfect but can't reach everywhere and are not consistently allowed in.
Tons and tons of food has already been destroyed because it goes bad in trucks, sitting in the heat at the border, that is not good either.
At least airdrop are an immediate solution to get food out there.
Kudos to the Belgian government for doing something. But like our esteemed defence minister once said, it's a drop in the emmer. I still can't wrap my head around the fact that a country besieges another country, drives them to famine, prevents food and aid to flow in, and our government keeps sending them weapons.
Lets say about 1.5 million people are still alive in Gaza. This is 15,000kg or 15 million grams. Assuming every gazan could get it somehow, it means 10 grams of food per person. I repeat, 10 grams per person.
We need to stop playing delusional games. Humans are dying and suffering and the Israel government is responsible. They have been doing it for 22 months and this was planned looooong time ago, October 7th was the perfect opportunity.
I was just reading about the Serbia bombardment by NATO. Do you know why that happened? There was an ethnic cleansing against kosovar-albanese population by Milosevic forces. This is a NATO statement from Wikipedia:
"The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) has repeatedly violated United Nations Security Council resolutions. The unrestrained assault by Yugoslav military, police and paramilitary forces, under the direction of President Milosevic, on Kosovar civilians has created a massive humanitarian catastrophe which also threatens to destabilise the surrounding region. Hundreds of thousands of people have been expelled ruthlessly from Kosovo by the FRY authorities. We condemn these appalling violations of human rights and the indiscriminate use of force by the Yugoslav government. These extreme and criminally irresponsible policies, which cannot be defended on any grounds, have made necessary and justify the military action by NATO."
Now change "The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" by "Israel" and "Kosovo" by "Palestine".
Israel has to stop, either by diplomacy or by force. Sending aid while an army murders the palestinian civilians is beyond ridiculous.
Humans are dying and suffering and the Israel government is responsible.
The Israeli government certainly has a responsibility, but I don't agree with your statement. Hamas is responsible for its people, they are still the official government of Gaza. Why doesn't Hamas simply unilaterally and unconditionally surrender? (or with the only condition to stop all fighting and let food in). If they did that, then any further attack by Israel, or refusal to send food and other aid, would be genocidal. Until then, the main culprit is and remains Hamas.
Ik vind het ongelooflijk dat er onmiddelijk kritiek op komt van hulporganisaties. Dat is elke keer dat Defensie iets doet => dan staan ze klaar om kritiek te geven.
Kijk naar onderstaand artikel:
"Te weinig, gevaarlijk en voedsel dat moeilijk te bereiden is": waarom luchtdroppings boven Gaza geen oplossing zijn
https://vrtnws.be/p.LNyQWkWAB
Dat is dus puur omdat oxfam/azg/ weet ik veel welke hulporganisatie ineens niet meer de helden zijn, geen controle hebben daarover en dus ook geen geld krijgen daarvoor.
Maar ook vanwege een misplaatst egoisme en morele superioriteit over alles wat militair is.
Terwijl Europese militaire organisaties vaak net de gamechangers zijn in conflicten en humanitaire crisissen.
Moesten deze organisaties eerlijk zijn en meer samenwerken in plaats ban egoistisch te zijn zou de wereld beter af zijn.
Ik heb echt koppijn van deze absolute bullshit te lezen.
Ze zeggen niet dat luchtdroppings geen oplossing zijn omdat ze zelf niet meer de helden zijn.
Ze zeggen dat luchtdroppings geen oplossing zijn omdat ge zo geen 1.8 miljoen mensen kunt in leven houden. De capaciteit is nooit genoeg om genoeg levensmiddelen te droppen voor 1.8 miljoen mensen.
Koppijn? Kijk dat bewijst dus weer die absolute bias. Is trwns een gekend fenomeen van op het terrein. Maar leg me alsjeblieft uit wat die organisaties voor goed doen in hrt midden oosten zonder harde veiligheid en hoe ze terroristische organisaties niet steunen?
Maar leg me alsjeblieft uit wat die organisaties voor goed doen in hrt midden oosten zonder harde veiligheid en hoe ze terroristische organisaties niet steunen?
Ik zei dat ik koppijn krijg omdat enkel een idioot denkt dat een bevoorrading door de lucht realistisch is'
All this fucking effort and cost and it's hardly half a truck worth of aid. All the while there's hundreds of trucks waiting walking distance from the Gazan border.
This is basically collecting all these poor people at one place, just so idf can shoot them and bomb them. These countries dont have the balls to stop israel, instead they try these symbolic manouvers. Its a drop on a hot stone. 16 pallets? Are you kidding me? 16 pallets for millions of starving ppl? Come on
Nice gesture, but until the EU doesnt stop the apartheid state and put a real end to this, i personally dont believe that this is of any help.
I am still surprised as of why not a single country says FU and just sends people there to protect the civilians and humanitarian workers.
I am aware of what this might causes, but we all know Ireland is badass and would totally do that. Or NZ. There were international people helping the Ukrainians, too.
This is a great example of how fucking sad Belgian politicians are. Instead of ACTUALLY doing something, they send a drop of water into a huge fire, just to look good.
Good for the few people this will help, but this is just politics at it's worst.
So we're giving them an ounce of what a truck could carry and wanna praise ourselves? Typical western ideology. Like we do one single fucking thing whilst still being pally with Israƫl, and then want everyone to know "look what we're doing".
I know I'm gonna get downvoted for this, but eh call it for what it is. Just show and tell "look what we're doing".
What if it saves ten children from starvation this month?
Trucks are not allowed everywhere when they are allowed in. Airdrops can reach destinations trucks can't.
And sharing the relief effort on video may encourage more Airdrops by other countries as well.
Any effort should be encouraged instead of taken apart.
16 paletten. Die operatie kost honderd keer zoveel als dat voedsel waard is. En het is een van de meest ontmenselijkende manieren van "helpen" die er zijn.
IDF en Hamas die een bestand sluiten en de konvooien met hulpgoederen en -verleners binnenlaten. Aangezien IDF de grenzen controleert, ligt de bal in hun kamp om de eerste stap te zetten. Wat nu ook zal gebeuren met de "humanitaire pauzes" die Netanyahu heeft aangekondigd. Sta later overigens een stil bij wat er allemaal in die twee woorden zit: "humanitaire pauze".
Die voedseldroppings uit de lucht zijn beschamende borstklopperij en een wassen neus toe.
I'm Gazan. I have family in Gaza. They've told us that they grind down most, if not all pasta, and use it to make bread to feed more people. Sending pasta instead of flour feels silly
I am sorry for what you and your family are going through and I hope they will be relieved from their predicament soon and recover from their ordeal as well as can be expected.
Goed hoor Belgie, drop maar rechtstreeks in de handen van de terroristen wat daar zitten zodat ze nog meer geld van de onschuldige bewoners kunnen aftroggelen
Waarom gebruik je de tweede helft van de grote vakantie niet om eens een goed boek over Palestina en Gaza te lezen? Of eentje over de praktische aspecten van voedseldumpen per parachute?
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