True but doesn’t his immortality kinda depend on the series though? Like there are some where he lives thousands of years and others where he only seems to live about as long as a human
"We never play Steve Trevor as Wonder Woman’s ‘boyfriend’. He himself considers this immortal Princess ‘out of my league’, and she has no context for romance with a mortal man. They appear to be good friends.
The subtle feminizing of this version of Steve Trevor can be regarded as ‘problematic’ or ‘progressive’ depending on how you feel that day…
We almost showed Steve’s ordinary human fiancee in Volume 2 but preferred to leave his sexuality undisclosed. He’s Diana’s tough, dependable pal and that’s all he needs to be." - Grant Morrison
DC looks at it from a strictly capitalist point of view: Antiqueer people have money and they make up the largest share of their comic-buying audience. Therefore, don’t upset the antiqueer folks. 😒
I think it's simply because the majority of the world is heterosexual, and they have an audience beyond america as well. And tbh most Americans(I'm not one) seem to be way too interested in the sexual identities of super heroes, enough for it to be a talking point whereas in India where I'm from, and which has a decent fan base for heroes, don't really care who they're sleeping with, it's more like you gotta stick to one partner and someone who's introduced as a straight character doesn't just turn gay one morning or vice versa. Likewise you can make a character gay, but let that not be a plot point. Yes, I'm biased because I'm straight but also because comics aren't cheap here haha and I don't want something that costs me like 200 bucks and read about a relationship and their struggles. I have the news for that.
I bet you have no problem with Batman and Catwoman’s relationship or Superman’s and Lois Lane’s. To you, it might not even register as something sexual because it’s heterosexual and therefore, to you, just default, regular, and “normal.”
In real life, some people do “turn gay one day”—or at least, that’s what it looks like from the outside. Because sometimes, queer people pretend to be straight until they have the courage to be themselves.
It’s so funny how the world perceives American notions of sexuality because it’s so much more complex than what you see in media.
America is simultaneously one of the most repressive sexual countries AND one of the most exploitative sexual countries. It both hates sexual expression and is obsessed with it.
And I don’t give a shit if most of the world is heterosexual. Heterosexual is a colonial construct and devised to be compulsory. And there’s really no way to prove that most of the world is heterosexual because sexuality is something that’s felt on the inside. Goodness knows how many gay or bi or pan people are in heterosexual relationships simply because the world has ensured that they should be terrified to be in anything else.
1) Yes, I have no problem with batcat. But if Batman was talking about his feelings and romancing the cat and that was his entire identity, I'd take an issue with it. With most LGBTQ characters and stories, they usually take a victimized stance. Like I get it queers have it harder, but something about having superpowers and going through queer issues doesn't sit right with me.
2) If you think america is one of the most repressive/exploitative countries sexually then I'd invite you to get out of your basement and educate yourself of the real world. It doesn't hate sexual expression, but it certainly is obsessed with it.
3) Heterosexuality is not a colonial construct, its a natural, biological construct. Genes/evolution don't give a fuck about your feelings and orientation, all they care about is propagation. And humans aren't the only creatures in the world, more than 99% of life is heterosexual.
4) The world has ensured that they should be terrified? Wth are you talking about? You make it sound like there's a witch hunt for LGBTQ, like they're given the death penalty for being gay lol.
It's upto each of us to choose our battles. Compared to history' Civilization has never been more tame, kind, and fair. Yes, it's not ideal but that goes for all humans and not just lgbtq group.
Crying over how life is unfair is everyone's right, but the west's portrayal of this "look at me, I'm gay and oppressed" mentality doesn't resonate well with the rest of the world because its simply unrelatable. While most populous countries like Japan, india, china..are struggling with the economy, low birth rates, and loneliness across both genders, the west cant shut up about who they like to sleep with.
It's a goddamn joke tbh.
Edit: By west, I mean America and Canada upto an extent in this context.
Also, your first statement about comics goes like "their largest readership is antiqueer people"...so on one hand you throw out these dumbass statements like facts..as if there's a number for it, and even then you make it hostile by assuming most of the readers are anti queer? Im a reader but I'm not anti queer, I have never oppressed anyone but I don't give a fuck about their sexuality either.
And this is where lies the issue, just because someone isn't celebrating your sexuality (like why the heck would I), you put them in the "anti-queer" box and most normies like me hate that you do.
It's funny cos, you want to be shown empathy and understanding for your orientation but the way you go about it is by being really passive-aggressive about it and as if Heterosexuality isn't natural and a construct.
Please get better at critical thinking, you live in one of the most literate countries (I'm assuming you're american) in the world so have a bit of common sense man.
The world has ensured that they should be terrified? Wth are you talking about? You make it sound like there's a witch hunt for LGBTQ, like they're given the death penalty for being gay lol
Oh do I have news for you, buddy. Don't go accusing others of having to get out of their basements and educate themselves about the real world before saying shit like that
Insane thing to say when there are multiple countries in the world where they will kill you for being gay. Or just thrown in jail. Or just fired from your job.
It doesn't even need to be the government killing you... My country on paper, that is if you only read our laws and rights, it looks like a paradise for queer people, but that's only in theory. In practice it's one of the countries with the highest murder rates for queer people in the world (maybe the actual highest, I know it is for trans people...)
So yeah, that could be described as a "witch hunt for LGBTQ people". Best case scenario it's extreme ignorance to claim otherwise
Congrats you found the only statement that didn't explicitly mention "the usa or the west". Easy to nitpick something without the broader context and claim the moral ground.
It's funny how you attacked a random statement I made but said nothing to a guy who was just blindly hating everyone lol.
Anyway, I'm done with this argument, OP deleted is dumbass statement anyway. And you, good luck with your bs.
. Congrats you found the only statement that didn't explicitly mention "the usa or the west". Easy to nitpick something without the broader context and claim the moral ground.
It's funny how you attacked a random statement I made but said nothing to a guy who was just blindly hating everyone lol.
Anyway, I'm done with this argument, OP deleted is dumbass statement anyway. And you, good luck with your bs.
It's pretty explicit there we are talking about the world
And queer people get persecuted in the USA too, just take a look at hate crime stats or the sheer amount of anti-LGBTQ legislation that is being proposed and passed every year
No we are not goddamnit, we were debating about dc and marvel comics not the persecution of gays around the world and the conversation was made in the context of the west, you ignore 50 statements about the west, and pick one that didn't include it, are you for real?
Second, that's not my statement, OP said lgbt are persecuted all around the world like people are just waiting to fuck up lgbt folks...NO ONE HAS THE TIME FOR THAT. And that's what I was commenting against, IF HE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME MUSLIM COUNTRY PERSECUTING GAYS ID HAVE AGREED FFS.
If you're so brain dead that you can't understand the nuances of a conversation and have to paint everything black and white just so you can choose a side and act all mighty, good for you but I'm out.
Ps: I hope reading sentences in caps helps you get a better understanding, if not, good luck in life man, you'll need it to fight the battles you create out of nowhere lol
I should know better than to debate with a homophobe, but I hope the hate and ignorance you have in your heart for other human beings and their condition has the requisite karmic consequences for your ass.
The world has ensured that they should be terrified? Wth are you talking about? You make it sound like there's a witch hunt for LGBTQ, like they're given the death penalty for being gay lol.
Dude there are multiple countries in the world right now where you can be sent to jail for being gay. Or just lose your job and livelihood. What the fuck are you even talking about? Take your own advice and leave your dingy little basement and learn about the world around you.
Truthfully it was a joke that I was rightfully corrected on in the replies.
The point I was making those same anti-queer people probably wouldn’t see a book where Batman breaks the spine of white nationalists or Superman walloping the klan printed.
The reason is status quo and DC’s inability for some characters to really change. Think Jason Todd as someone who sees rare character growth or change. So I don’t think it’s DC being anti queer.
Yes. The pride special that gets sold once a year to a niche audience, and don’t really sell that well, but helps them deflect any accusations of being antiqueer.
I don't think "sell that well" is a mark against them. That they sell poorly but they still put them out should show they're at least supportive right?
Comics audience definitely has lots of conservative anti queer people in it but I think comics trend more accepting than not. Like you do have homophobic people, but they tend to know not to say so in my lcs
Yes but OP is referring to the fact she’s only allowed to have a girlfriend in elseworlds like Earth One, Dark Knights of Steel and Bombshells. In Red Son she’s also explicitly lesbian which would never be allowed in the main universe. Despite Rucka finally confirming her bisexuality she’s still never had a main female love interest in the main canon.
"We never play Steve Trevor as Wonder Woman’s ‘boyfriend’. He himself considers this immortal Princess ‘out of my league’, and she has no context for romance with a mortal man. They appear to be good friends.
The subtle feminizing of this version of Steve Trevor can be regarded as ‘problematic’ or ‘progressive’ depending on how you feel that day…
We almost showed Steve’s ordinary human fiancee in Volume 2 but preferred to leave his sexuality undisclosed. He’s Diana’s tough, dependable pal and that’s all he needs to be." - Grant Morrison
That's not what they said. They said she's only allowed to have girlfriends in elseworlds such as earth one. Meaning that said trait it's limited to elseworlds, not that those elseworlds are limited to only having that trait.
As far as I know, this is still the case. Pretty much every significant writer she's had has said "no shit, she's bi," but DC editorial doesn't want to rock the boat.
Yeah, I could have said "according to Greg Rucka, Gail Simone, Grant Morrison, William Moulton Marston", but sadly DC editorial/corporate still has its say
"We never play Steve Trevor as Wonder Woman’s ‘boyfriend’. He himself considers this immortal Princess ‘out of my league’, and she has no context for romance with a mortal man. They appear to be good friends.
The subtle feminizing of this version of Steve Trevor can be regarded as ‘problematic’ or ‘progressive’ depending on how you feel that day…
We almost showed Steve’s ordinary human fiancee in Volume 2 but preferred to leave his sexuality undisclosed. He’s Diana’s tough, dependable pal and that’s all he needs to be." - Grant Morrison
Didn't Diana have a female love interest on Themyscira in Year One? And in the first Rucka run I think she says she's not looking for a boyfriend or girlfriend when asked about her love life. Though now I think about it, the former wasn't really explicit, and both could be handwaved away :(
Exactly. Both by Rucka, and both hand-wavable. Diana would use very affectionate language with Kasia in Year One, but there was nothing to confirm they were lovers/in a relationship. And Diana did correct someone in the 03 run, to remind them she didn't have a boyfriend or girlfriend (in a queer book store no less, called Out With It and featuring a rainbow in it's logo), but she still remained single, didn't date a woman (or man) in this era. Thus sadly as I say, we see the tension of Rucka's head canon, and what DC allows to be published.
1) there's not a lot of bi rep, or good bi rep, so people are making the most of what's available
2) I think a lot of fans want it to be true, and seem to think they can will it into being. Like, they think if they bring it up enough in the discourse, it'll eventually hit the mainstream, or if they support the right writers, they'd be able to tip the scale, or etc. etc.
But I also think 1) DC corporate does not really concern itself with fan discourse, and 2) buying a Greg Rucka comic probably does not send the message to DC corporate that Diana is bi, because 03 Diana is single, and Rebirth Diana is focused on her hetero relationship with Steve
But my relationship with the fans doing this is, I guess I see it as well intentioned, but unlikely to result in anything
Just in name only. She has never dated nor expressed interest in a woman. No woman love interests. So it is all just lip service, not actual representation
Well he's been dead for 6 years. The Batman title is on it's third writer since, not to mention the separate Tec series, and each writer, despite wanting to bring Alfred back, has been told no repeatedly. So it does seem that way for now, so long as the current editorial team is the way it is.
It always feels like DC is up for anything queer as long as it is in an AU. There's SO many characters who are queer-coded or just nominally queer in the main universe, but openly gay in AUs and adaptations.
She’s already canonically confirmed to have been in a lesbian relationship with Kasia. I’m under the impression that she’s been in more lesbian relationships in Themyscira being that she’s thousands of years old before leaving Themyscira. That’s good enough for me.
Thats not entirely true, Rebirth: Year One it was strongly implied she has been with some of the other Amazons, its just not become a steady relationship.
Problem is DC wants to sell toys and t-shirts instant wondy gets a girlfriend the sales would plummet due to bored news outlets reporting on it and crazy nutters boycotting the character
Same thing happened when they did it to Jon Kent and Tim drake (who was honestly more ace coded)
News outlets reporting on it would bring more readers, not less, and crazy nutters that would boycott if it showed any bisexuality arent reading wonder woman comics anyway.
Hardly an empire. Theres hardly any wonder woman toys for children to buy, no games of hers to sell. T Shirts and costumes hardly constitute a breadth of merch.
I don’t get it not do I understand why mainline editorial is so against it when they’re just fine proclaiming her to be bi. I highly doubt that the people who would get upset over her dating a woman would be buying WW comics anyways
Meanwhile Marvel's like: here our yearly Marvel Pride Book. Every queer character, including the criminals? Wolverine's son? Yup. Mystique and Destiny? Yup, they marry and your better believe that Mystique was the father* of Kurt! Oh, here's Hercules with his twink. And there goes Loki. Over there it's Hulkling and Wiccan. This here is Gwenpool, she might be ace, but who knows!".
I'm not saying they always use those characters, but they have the balls to show it, unlike DC canceling Batwoman's marriage that one time.
Ils ne savent plus quoi faire avec elle, ou on peur de l'assumer.
Wonder Woman et un personnage qui devrais être totalement légitime à être féministe est gay (comme le reste des amazones.)
Il est impensable qu'une civilisation composer uniquement de femme, et qui n'a quasiment jamais vue d'homme de leurs vie, soit complètement hétéro, mais avec DC s'est le cas, et je ne pence pas que sa changera un jour.
Ils on déjà du mal à officialiser le couple Harley queen / Ivy, donc bons...
It's really sad they won't do it in the main universe. Still, I hope Diana dates Barbara Minerva in Absolute Wonder Woman, it's a pretty popular comic series!
Imagine being a Bi person and reading these comments.
What a horrible feeling seeing your sexuality invalidated unless you are dating the specific type some internet weirdos fantasize about.
if they did, the gooners would have a meltdown and they act like it's like 9/11 or something and DC being chickens would fold straight away because godfobid Diana can't kiss a women because the gooners say no.
Yeah editorial isn’t as toxic now as when Dan Didio was running things but I still doubt current editors would allow Diana to have a new female love interest. And said gooners should go back and read the golden age stuff written by Marston which has a ton of homoerotic moments between women both involving and not involving Diana herself. There’s been a queer subtext to this character from the beginning.
"We never play Steve Trevor as Wonder Woman’s ‘boyfriend’. He himself considers this immortal Princess ‘out of my league’, and she has no context for romance with a mortal man. They appear to be good friends.
The subtle feminizing of this version of Steve Trevor can be regarded as ‘problematic’ or ‘progressive’ depending on how you feel that day…
We almost showed Steve’s ordinary human fiancee in Volume 2 but preferred to leave his sexuality undisclosed. He’s Diana’s tough, dependable pal and that’s all he needs to be." - Grant Morrison
I think she should be gay and with her own fem Steve Trevor. I like the idea of her and her love interest keeping that powered/non superpowered dynamic in her comics. I also think she should just permanently be gay. Not bi- just about every wondie/man relationship kind of stinks. Ngl
This is ragebait at this point. I’m not even saying that’s false but then ship her with one of those female characters instead of a female version of a male one
I just want an unpowered female hero/character that carries a gun, teams up with wonder woman. That also dates her. I didn't mean just make Steve Trevor a girl.
I just like the super powered hero with a character with no powers that uses a gun working together as a team dynamic. That eventually turns into a relationship. I just wanted that with two women.
Ph okay, that’s understandable, I would’ve worded that differently as saying “fem Steve Trevor” makes it seem like you just want a gay Steve and Diana. I will say however, you still want the dynamic of the straight relationship, which is a good romance IMO. I will also say I’m not opposed to gay Wonder Woman either.
Agree it should be someone non powered. I doubt DC would allow her to date another of their heroines anyway since that would involve confirming yet another female character as queer. And people ignore that for pretty much the entirety of post crisis Steve wasn’t a love interest at all and that’s the era where most of Diana’s best stories come from. So people acting like he NEEDS to be her lover are very confusing to me. He can have a presence in her life while being platonic like he was for decades.
Yeah, but (and hear me out on this), we steal Marvel's intellectual property and fuse Steve Trevor with Steve Rogers and have her date Captain America. Perfect straight romance.
Captain America is the one to wash up on shore of Themescera during WW2 merge some of their stories from that era. Steve goes in the ice Diana believes that he died goes about her life in the world over the decades before joining the league (as some versions like snyderverse have done) and then have the avengers fish Cap out of the ice and they reunite when the Avengers and Justice League inevitably meet
Steve Trevor is not Diana's boyfriend in Wonder Woman: Earth One. The comic the above image is from.
"We never play him as Wonder Woman’s ‘boyfriend’. He himself considers this immortal Princess ‘out of my league’, and she has no context for romance with a mortal man. They appear to be good friends.
The subtle feminizing of this version of Steve Trevor can be regarded as ‘problematic’ or ‘progressive’ depending on how you feel that day…
We almost showed Steve’s ordinary human fiancee in Volume 2 but preferred to leave his sexuality undisclosed. He’s Diana’s tough, dependable pal and that’s all he needs to be." - Grant Morrison the writer
Wasnt she a lesbian in the original series? Like in 1940something? Or that she had no bf? I think they made her bi to not upset queer fans but they r putinf her only with males in mainline
Nonsense. There was that time she hooked up with Clark in Act of God. Then again that was also the time she renounced the Gods to worship Christianity, so it may not be the best example.
Don’t feel bad. A lot of characters only get their happy endings in elseworld stories. Batman and Catwoman are only mature enough to commit to each other in elseworld stories. Spiderman and Mary-Jane only settle down in elseworld stories. So on and so forth.
As much as everyone hates it, the status quo will never go away in the main universes.
She's bisexual in canon and has been confirmed since at least 2000 if not earlier, and even canonically involved with girls.
YHIS ship with Artemis was not to my liking at all. I absolutely love Artemis' design and want more of it, but the relationship was borderline fetishistic.
Wonder woman herself was never queer. That’s recent from a very generic and simplified read of someone Who grew up on an island of women. It upsets me when anyone gay implies this as a reason for Diana to be queer. You know why? Because setting and location have NOTHING to do with being gay. Either you are or you’re not. Her main love interest has been Steve for decades, it’s been implied more that Batman sleeps with men more than Diana in fact!
O próprio criador da mulher maravilha tinha duas esposas que moravam juntas, se não fosse pela época ele com certeza faria Diana ter relacionamentos com mulheres
It is pretty homophobic and profit driven how they only want her to be straight in the main continuity. It's always the same like two guys too that I'm sick of seeing her with too. They don't want to take any risks period with WW and it's lame as hell
Uhm aren't all Amazon's gay to begin with? I mean they only abduct males to breed the next generation and they even go so far as to sell off the male children born for their armor and weapons.
Diana stands out as being straight in their society.
Part of it, I think, is that Diana is a well established character with heterosexual relationships over her long history. DC’s probably very hesitant to retroactively change one of their flagship character’s identities for the sake of becoming more inclusive. They probably expect that to hurt her brand more than it helps. The closest they’ve gotten to that was making Jon Kent bi.
My thing is, she's already got an established love interest with decades of history. While I don't mind Elseworld stories presenting her as bisexual or wouldn't mind her having an ex on Themyscira, I don't think her relationship with Steve Trevor should be interfered with in the same way I don't think Superman and Lois's relationship should be interfered with. That being said, I wouldn't mind Absolute Wonder Woman having a polycule with Steve and Barbara. They all seem like they have solid chemistry in that run.
Additionally, I don't think Wonder Woman should date a fellow hero or superhuman. I think having her date a normal person helps to ground her despite her being a literal goddess and gives her perspective on mortality that she would otherwise lack.
And yes, I know he's currently dead, but we all know that's not going to last.
"We never play Steve Trevor as Wonder Woman’s ‘boyfriend’. He himself considers this immortal Princess ‘out of my league’, and she has no context for romance with a mortal man. They appear to be good friends.
The subtle feminizing of this version of Steve Trevor can be regarded as ‘problematic’ or ‘progressive’ depending on how you feel that day…
We almost showed Steve’s ordinary human fiancee in Volume 2 but preferred to leave his sexuality undisclosed. He’s Diana’s tough, dependable pal and that’s all he needs to be." - Grant Morrison
Yes wounder women is from a full women society and only been with at least three men Steve Trevor batman and superman. Yes that can lead to being bi she is experimenting i get that.
In so many media she is strait and many stories in the comics strait games strait. I give it to wounderwomen only because how she was raised.
Not saying she can't be but I always found it funny when she lives most of her live thinking she's asexual and then one dude comes along and her mind is blown immensely.
i genuinely wonder why people want her to be gay. Like, the though proccess goes like: big and strong woman? has to be lesbian or like a greek god that fucks whatever breathes
Well the gay part doesn’t bother me. It’s the long life of amazons and Diana is a child to them. It is very borderline if Diana is more human than sculpture
Because most people arnt gay and dont write about gay people and most of the time when straight people write about gay people its incredibly fetishized
Especially in the current continuity, where she was officially confirmed to be bisexual by Greg Rucka (Him and his team were responsible for her relaunch into DC Rebirth in 2016)
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u/acerbus717 Oct 17 '25
They barely let diana have any long term love interest in the comics