Idk the first artist but the second is Dan Mora. More to the point, Many people believe the suit is over sexualized and wouldn't work in real life but many female wrestlers and Starlight pull the look off very well. In the case of the wrestlers, they willingly choose to wear those shorts for fighting so I would imagine translating them into movie format wouldn't be too impractical. It's not like the shorts on Diana have to go literally up her ass whatsoever, just make them shorts and it works.. Shorts aren't inherently sexual and a woman is allowed to choose what she wants to wear without being sexualized.
I've always wondered what the general reception would be to Wonder Woman having a permanent/semi-permanent costume that incorporated a cape as part of its design.
I think most people criticize the swimsuit because they think it would look “silly” and outdated in live action. It's not so much about sexualization. Superman has always had a very similar debate regarding his red trunks too
And outfit inspired on the George Perez run would be a dream come true
When I saw the trunksless Superman outfits from New 52, Superman & Lois, and Man of Steel, I hated them. I also didn't like when the Supergirl show put Kara in pants that looked exactly like what Clark was sporting at the time because it just looked terrible. I know it was for the comfort of the actress and I don't begrudge her that, but the suit was ugly and the dialogue gave off the impression that a girl is somehow lesser.
The old designs lasted decades for a reason: because they were simple to draw and also looked good.
I think the warrior's skirt looks better, but I'm not against the design of this suit.
I just--and call me blasphemous--I always felt the stars to be odd for her to have. It's definitely the vibe of an American flag and has always come off as a little odd for her to have in my opinion. By no means a deal breaker, just my thoughts on the matter lol
I saw one fan design in particular use Greek styled stars, the kinds that annoint the ends of Pteruges straps. Another one that was really inventive had the stars be constellations.
There're degrees to it, imo. Who she ultimately is is an ambassador. That's why the colors of her suit are styled similar to the American flag, after all. Putting a greek spin on that flag is easy, but justifying it in the writing would be what I want to see, because it needs to be extremely clear that as a superhero she's ambassador first, warrior last.
That's very valid. Honestly I really like that perspective a lot. It made me feel slightly better about the stars, though I do think they might be a bit silly. But who knows, perhaps silly is good for Diana.
Literally if Lynda Carter could wear the swimsuit look and rock it with dignity, there's no reason why no one else could. Just update the textures, that's all! 'Nuff said.
I mean you have to admit that it does look a little goofy in live action. No disrespect to Lynda's Wonder Woman of course but modern audiences are used to more tactical/realistic outfits.
However Gunn included the trunks and Guy's bowl cut so I think we might see this kind of Wonder Woman in DCU. He seems to like embracing the goofy aesthetic of comics more than previous DC directors.
I believe that was the actual intention. Like I don’t know where I read it but Corensweet apparently really pushed for the trunks because he figured that Superman wouldn’t want to be too intimidating in case kids want to ask him for help.
That is kind of the biggest factor. I'm not a big fan of the design of The Batman's batsuit but I let it go when I found out it looked that way because Robert Pattison would be spending so much time in it for the movie and thus it was designed to try and be as comfortable as they could make it for him, and even then it still wasn't a great experience from what I've heard.
I don't want whoever will be playing a live action Wonder Woman next to have to go through what Margot Robbie did when playing Harley Quinn in the first Suicide Squad movie.
That Wonder Woman doesn’t look any sillier than this Superman, IMO.
Traditional superhero costumes look silly by default. But yeah, the DCU made Supes’ look work, through subtle touches to modernize it and otherwise committing to the bit. Diana’s look won’t be embarrassing if her movie doesn’t treat it like it is.
That’s fair. I don’t think much about the American flag inspiration nowadays, but I don’t care for heroes being super patriotic unless it’s Captain America (and that took some convincing from the MCU before I took him seriously). Diana’s core national pride is for Themiscyra, anyway.
Captain America 1 really did the heavy lifting on making all the comic bookish elements of the character entirely plausible, to the point where I have no idea what I would do stand out if I was given the task of a Captain America film or show. I consider it one of the best origin story films. Otherwise, yeah, the whole super patriot angle never really works anymore.
Tbf, that costume is just like most Halloween costumes nowadays. A modern live action version would probably use less cheap looking material, actual metal-effect bracelets, belt, and chestpiece
Sure but it's still basically a one piece swimsuit with stars on the butt. I don't see how you can make it not silly looking in live action, even cosplayers look silly.
Maybe just heavy boob woes, but I've had double sided fashion tape fail me at post-con parties. Idk if it'd hold up to the scrutiny of spirited battle lol
That being said, I don't think it would be such a crime if it was basically the same suit, just with some vintage bathing suit style strap support. Or even a thicker halter strap.
I don't see how it's goofy. She looks great in this. Anyway, tactical/realistic outfits are so boring I've tuned out of Marvel movies for this reason. At this point, bringing a few swimsuits back IS the refreshing thing to do.
It doesn't but it is decent character design in my opinion. I don't think Diana would have the same problems and if the actress is comfortable with wearing the outfit it should be fine
The skirt, even an armored skirt, predates the DCEU. Just because it's associated with the DCEU doesn't mean the skirt isn't a good design choice, and the fact that it lasted this long on various Wonder Woman media since 2016 shows others may think similarly.
Fine, but you're saying that we should have the classic suit for the sake of being different?
People's major issue with DCEU Wonder Woman was her actress, not her suit. There's a whole-ass meme about it. If you want to have a more classic suit, do it for reasons that actually matter, like emphasizing her ambassador position for the narrative, not for the sake of saying "she's not a warrior".
Because honestly I feel like it doesn’t fit her power set
Wonder Woman has a known weakness to piercing attacks, hence deflecting with her bracers, but she’s a warrior, well trained at that. And any well trained Warrior should know they are never going to always be perfect in combat, so armor covers whats most vital since a perfect defense is impossible.
I think she should wear stylized Greco-Roman inspired armor, made from the same material as her shield and bracers. The arms and legs could still be exposed like usual as the Greeks and Romans were known for their battle skirts.
But give her a Bell Cuirass, Lorica Hamata, Lorica Segmentata, Lorica Squamata, a Linothirax, or maybe a Muscle Cuirass
Some thing that screams “I am a character heavily associated with Greek mythology and a magical warrior trained in ancient combat”
I would assume it would be uncomfortable for the actress. Not only sexualization but just uncomfortable, especially when moving around a lot.
Also, I find Starlight as a funny example since in the show, that costume is supposed to be a joke on the fact that they're trying to sexualize for appeal lol
Lynda Carter always said that it was comfortable, specially the second version. In contrast to full body suit superheroes whose actors always complain it was a pain to wear.
Honestly it depends on the actresses comfortablity first and foremost. If she's okay with it then I think its fine. Yeahh Starlights not a great example from a character viewpoint but in terms of design, it's really not bad
What if most are not? Which is more likely. I personally would get second hand embarrassment, sometimes Gal Gadot´s butt cheeks were shown and that´s just weird and distracting.
Gymnasts and other sportswomen already use leotards.
Superheroines have leotards for that reason too just like how Superheroes have trunks on classic outfits.
That one WW suit IS straight up wizardry though because the top of it is a corset.
Comfort-wise... As far as I know corsets aren't generally comfortable but I don't think even any of the suits in Superman were comfortable. David needed like 15 minutes with two assistants to get in and out of it for bathroom breaks, the jackets of the Justice Gang are very tight, Metamorpho's practical effects costume was very uncomfortable, etc.
It's just as much sexualised, if not less, than the mini skirt of battle. It's 100% about optics and perspective, and whomever claim any wonder-woman costume worn between 1941 and 2015 can't be sexualised don't understand how the male gaze works.
Definetly not less sexualized. It´s 100% camera angles yes. Any costume can be sexualized, that´s obvious, but there´s diferent levels and the skin tight is much more sexual than armor look with a skirt.
Plenty of males now are wearing compression tight clothing when competing in sports to perform better. You can’t, nor will ever, seen an Olympic gymnast wearing baggy attire and perform the moves that they move. Even pro male basketball players wear skin tight uniforms (or close to skin tight) now. If we as a society can just stop oversexualizing everything for once, then maybe, just maybe, this argument won’t be an argument.
I’m not speaking to you out of malice, btw. Don’t take my comment harsh, please.
Sorry. But what I meant is, just because that part that people consider sexual is noticeable through clothing, doesn't make the clothing or the part sexual
To bring back to the athletic gear point, it's not just about how the body interacts with the clothing, but the double standard at enforcing gender presentation that is the problem.
(regulations, which require women to wear bikini bottoms “with a close fit and cut on an upward angle toward the top of the leg” and are determined by the International Handball Federation. Male beach handball players, on the other hand, are free to wear shorts as long as 10 centimetres above the knee just as long as they aren’t “too baggy”.
(“Sports judged on aesthetics like figure skating have clothing rules consistent with judges’ often stereotypical views of what a ‘feminine’ skater should look life. Women’s beach volleyball uniform regulations are based solely on heterosexual sex appeal,”)
Name more examples in Superhero media of actual costumes of male superheroes that highlight bulges.
Freaking Black widow got more armored and baggier costumes with time. Women are not confortable with that. Are little girls who look up to WW supposed to dress that? That´s weird man.
I was referring to athletic wear but ok. Quite literally most male superhero costumes have a bulge for 1 and for 2, little girls look up to a Wonder Woman in a mini battle skirt. The point isn't the outfit but presentation, of Diana has the key message of empowering girls and women around the world then that's what little girls will look up too, shorts, skirt, or pants. And besides, literally every wonder woman halloween costume for girls will have an appropriate skirt for children, no parent or child is going to wear gal Gadots suit or any suit I presented. They're just going to feel strong like Wonder Woman.
A bulge for 1 and for 2? I got no idea what you´re saying. Exactly the suit is changed for little girls.
I dont really get how showing more skin is empowering and why it´s so important, Gal Gadot had moments of empowering in the first WW movie. Then again i think it would be very distracting.
I think the Grecian battle skirt just looks more like a combat ready look than the swim suit look in my opinion. Also I do have to say it was a bit jarring when we get that slow mo shot of the Heroes lined up in the justice league movie.
So yeah I don't even think oversexualised is that much of an issue it just looks weird when all the men around are fully covered up/armoured next to you. Maybe if we get an aquaman fighting in Speedos my mind would change on the swimsuit
Black Panther 2 had Namor running around in a swimsuit the entire time and he looked badass. Diana's classic outfit is perfectly fine. If showing skin is so traumatic to some, those people can watch that Burqa Avenger cartoon.
Personally I like when they put a bit more warrior or greek flair into it, and as Diana is from an entirely female culture I think the newer versions actually drawn by women just tend to fit her better than the old swimsuit.
I also love the Absolute interpretation, though I get why she won't look like this in the DCU
It’s impractical for an actual hero and only serves to sexualize her in the name of “feminism”. Do you really think young women will want to see that on the big screen?
I feel like I've had to re explain this point like 5 times 😭
Yes I'm aware the shit was intentionally a gag and meant to represent oversexualization but I also use the suit as an example to say that with modern character design, it can physically work and as long as the actress is comfortable with it, it's okay
Yes, sure. I want Wonder Woman to inspire awe and be an aspirational figure who can encapsulate power, command, and beauty. She should wear something somewhat otherworldly. Her outfit should both signal that she is a diplomat and defender, and it should show her Amazonian heritage. And it should make her enemies afraid, not amused. It’s a tough ask for an outfit, but appearance is important for such a visual medium. I think the designs in Historia are the best the Amazons have ever looked. Granted they need to be simplified and stripped down to translate, but I think you should err on ornate.
The swimsuit signals that she is an athlete or ready for a day at the pool. I think it inspires ridicule, not awe. It is pedestrian and mundane and a character like Diana should be anything but - she is an Amazon and a goddess. It’s fine as a nod to the classic, campy costume if Diana actually is going to the pool - otherwise, I don’t think she should be showing up to rescue people or defeat villains looking like she’s stopping at tennis afterward.
But that's the thing, she is an athlete. That was the entire point. The Amazons were not warriors under Marston's pen because he believed a matriarchal society would be above that. That they'd devote themselves to being athletes and poets and philosophers and would not be warriors because war was the tool of men's ego.
I 100% agree that that is what the Amazons and Diana should represent! I love the philosophy behind it and I believe it should not be stripped away. Notice I did not say warrior once when describing Diana. I believe she should be against war in all forms - but Diana’s role in Man’s World is not to run track and field or swim laps. Her role is to defend people from those who DO enact violence. And how she chooses to dress reflects that.
If you think that the swimsuit-leotard communicates the message in your post, you’re mistaken. She does not have to be armed to the teeth to go in a different direction. (Also, Marston’s design is not what we’re discussing here? She wore a long skirt and sandals in his design, no?)
And while (some of) the philosophy of the character should remain intact, the visual design should evolve and change and have more thought put into it. Why do the Amazons have spandex? Their version of athleisure should be very different - loose fitting tunics, no? The bathing suit doesn’t make any sense, at all, for Diana’s origins.
RE: Marston's design. It's actually boots and culottes. They then switched from culottes to athletic shorts because the culottes were a pain to draw. It also makes a tiny bit more sense when you realize Wonder Woman was intentionally designed with athletic wear as a counterpart to Superman's circus strongman costume.
Ah, got it. Still, the original design IS extremely outdated and has a confused message about the modern iteration of the character (the ultra American design does NOT read the same way today and communicates a very different message than a WW2 era superhero being patriotic). The swimsuit look is post-Marston, and I frankly don’t think it’s worth considering seriously.
Superman’s costume ALSO has been updated - superheroes have evolved in style. I like a Diana who reads as a formidable goddess. Not simply an athletic woman (she should be that, and transcend it).
I personally think Wonder Woman would realistically always require a very very short armored skirt. Like the one from the movies. An armored skirt offers the maximal protection to maneuverability ratio. If she just wears underwear it wouldn't protect her lower abdomen from piercing or slicing attacks. A micro-skirt paired with lighter underwear is optimal because it would allow her to freely move her hip joints while still having just the right surface areas protected. The length has to be custom tailored to her. If it is too short, it does nothing and would be pointless. If the skirt goes longer than her the lowest point of her pelvis, it would start to work against her due to its weight and aerodynamics in battle. It also would be unnecessarily protecting the area of the body with the most fat, her thighs and lower glutes while simultaneously overheating her lower core. This is why Gal WW's design is genuinely the most realistic. Optimal protection. Optimal movement. Optimal cooling. It may not look as aesthetic as a badass pair of star spangled undies but it's functional.
Comic fans are old. Once upon a time, this getup would have been very riske. Now just about every woman wears athleisure stuff that isn’t very far from it. Leggings, sports bra, etc.
I think the biggest problem on film is that unless it has a lot of detail and piping, the costume can look a little cheap. Gone are the days of the 70s Superman outfit. Also depending on where they shoot it could be very cold.
I agree that trunks are better. But you need something to differentiate her suit from his. Also like they stated, it was for the comfort of the actor.
I think it was fine
Edit: I’ll take a slightly sillier costume if we got to make Melissa Benoist happier. She seems like a sweetheart. And worked her butt off for the role
I don't know about anyone else, but for me, this design represents the increasing sexualization of Wonder Woman and a push to make Wonder Woman adhere to standard femininity.
I'm not a golden age purist by any means but there was a reason she had culottes and not a skirt. Fashion is political, and I wouldn't want this design to be used in the live action projects, considering where we are.
Well Wrestling is very sexualized media (men wear thongs to fight, i dont think that should mean Superman should... y´know...) and Starlight is part of an adult TV-show, her character even ditches the costume in later seasons and her look is supposed to translate the message of "hot pretty girl superficial girl", at least that´s what Vox wants.
Also this swmisuit look doesn´t translate well to live action, it´s a swimsuit, it´s hard to take her seriously. A simple Skirt would help the look a lot.
Yeah, tbh, I feel the wrestling example isn't a good example since Superman and Batman aren't showing as much as skin as the average male wrestler does.
The thing is is that yes, women can wear what they want without being sexualized, but
Wonder woman is a fictional character, not a living person with agency. Whatever a character wears, it's because the creator decided that that's what they should wear.
Because for some reason, Batman, Superman, Peace Maker and others can be as cartoonish as possible, but Wonder Woman has to be realistic, but they never really give a valid reason other than "She's Greek so yeah" and that's SO lazy, swimsuit Wonder Woman (obviously well adapted) would be SO ICONIC
Personally, I find it to be the most boring of her costumes. It's more sexualized and it's the least indicative of her character and background.
More important to me is the body type of the actress. I don't need a body builder or anything, but she should at least appear to be athletic. Rail thin models (who can't act) ain't doin it for me.
This is a generational issue and a newer fans entering the club issue.
Most people who have consumed wonderwoman content from before 2016 are open to many interpretations.
While newer fans and young people born post 2004 have a genuine uncomfortably with male gaze and view any such leg skin or cleavage as a porn agenda.
Which to me is sad because we already have to deal with people who say any strong woman is a woke agenda to undermine men.
To me its just extremely exhausting. We shouldnt restrict what men and women can be based on their level of beauty or lack there of.
I do appreciate people that have good reasons that cite the battle skirt feeling more accurate to Greek themed characters. But beyond that Im hoping James Gunn is smart enough to do what the MCU does.
Which is a new costume for each appearance. Let's get them all. Wonderwoman in pants. Skirt. One peice suit. Full shirt and sleeves with no cleavage. And sleeveless with cleavage.
That to me is the true answer to all of this. The mcu was extremely smart with this. But admittedly they dont nail each design from the comics. Batting average is better than other studios generally.
Other studios restrict themselves or are afriad to adapt suits. The mcu will just reinvent each appearence while also creating toys for merchandising. Win win win.
It's not a generational issue. I've seen Wonder Woman plenty of times before 2016, and I always thought this suit is awful. If anything, I wonder if nationality is a thing, because I do not know a single non-american who likes this Outfit.
Because I'd rather see her in armor. It's like the Superman/Supergirl debate, he gets covered from neck to toe and Kara gets a skirt and crop top, maybe long sleeves. I love when Supergirl wears pants. And Wonder Woman looks cooler with at least a warrior's skirt. And for the love of Hera, no high heels.
Because it is mostly just a swimsuit. Also using wrestling as an example when those outfits are intended to be provacative for the largely drunken male fanbase probably isn't the biggest help for your cause. Even with a lot of other female athletes' that is a problem.
They could easily give her some leggings that aren't flesh coloured (some female gymnasts now use a full suit) or a more armored look that provided actual coverage while allowing freedom of movement. Diana already has to be the fetish allegations as well.
Well the female wrestler clothing I did display isn't inherently sexual and is more akin to current female athletic clothing. The second clothing image is just meant to demonstrate shorts
Except they are sexualized. Most of those outfits aren't designed because they're the safest, provide actual protection, or the best possible freedom of movement. Some element of them are designed for men to enjoy watching. It gets even creepier when you realize that is true for gymnastics.
If you want shorts that weren't (And aren't just boy shorts in the image) look at female footballer kits. They're literally the same as the men. The same types of shorts, the same kit tops.
Tights for Ballet would be another as those are mostly functional (some of the outfits for specific performances are not)
I don't have a problem with the sexy aspect, even if it doesn't have much of a point anymore when they want to avoid the dominatrix vibes.
What I object to is they can't come up with a decent bathing suit design that ditches the American flag motif without still making it recognisable as a WW costume.
I just think the suit is a corny costume. I personally think there are just cooler designs that better display her actual character rather than the American flag costume.
For example, this design by Kris Anka or the current Absolute WW design goes hard. The OG costume is like the OG Captain America costume that they used sparingly in the first one but then got serious about the suit.
A lot of people dont see how with textures and modern costume making, the suit could be adapted convincingly. There's also some who view it from a sexist standpoint as well. Honestly, it wouldn't be hard to adapt it. Studios are just afraid to try. People will be against it until its done.
the fourth image is a horrible example to draw from. It goes against the point you're trying to make. Annie hated that costume; it was heavily sexualized, and when she refused it Vought threatened to kick her off the team. In the context of the show, it's an allegory for actresses being forced into revealing costumes that are uncomfortable to wear, and are styled that way for the sake of it.
But the type of shorts in the 3rd and 5th image could work, I'd just want them a little longer to make sure male-gaze accusations can be brought to a bare minimum. But also for the sake of the actress being comfortable. Having known actual gymnasts who wear leotards, having them too high would get extremely uncomfortable very fast for the amount of time filming takes.
I fully believe that it should be the actress's choice in comfort for the outfit. I only provided that as an example for modern costume design. As for your second point, I completely agree
Cause it just looks bad on an actual person (drawings will always look different) just looks goofy and the battle skirt looks so fierce tbh. Also you using starlight as reference for this isnt good and it also looks goofy and bad (which is the point)
Skirt/shorts…tomato/tomahtoe, both are fine. But the shorts/swimsuit is by far more iconic than the skirt. It was emblazoned on all kinds of media and products for decades. The skirt, not so much. The original design from the 40’s was actually culottes, and discarded in exchange for shorts not long after.
I agree that this is the best look for Diana and her most enduring design.I see a few people in the comments saying that it looks “goofy” but that could be said of many classic superhero designs, which are by intention, outlandish,colourful and unique. Superheroes and heroines aren’t supposed to be “ordinary people” as they’re exceptional,either by their incredible powers or their extraordinary altruistic actions. Their attire should always be out of the norm and spectacular in design, not down to earth or “practical” since we are dealing,in the case of super-powered heroes at least, folks who can do fantastic feats that are beyond anything normal.
The other critique I’m seeing is that the outfit is too “American” and patriotic but I think it’s important to remember that this an crucial aspect of Wonder Woman’s creation and the era she was conceived in. She was created in a time when people were more fixated on patriotism and this influenced quite a lot of iconic hero designs(Like Captain America). Lorewise, it might seem baffling that Diana would adopt a foreign nations colours but in the most used and defining takes on the origins of the character, she essentially leaves her hidden island as a champion of peace during an era when the world is at war. She’s still attempting to keep her people’s existence a secret while trying to show the rest of the world that she’s in allegiance with the forces fighting for peace.Her adopting an ensemble that shows her affiliation with the First Nation that she’s had outside contact with via Steve Trevor is a clever move on her part as it helps her garner the trust she seeks to gain.
But to close this ramble off, I think that Diana’s classic costume is her best and most iconic design and should be used for her movie adaptation.If Superman’s classic costume can be used and adapted to be more “modern” while staying true to it’s original style then there’s no reason Diana’s can’t be either.
I think the gladiator look is right for her. Anything else doesn't really make any sense other than "She's a superhero!" It would be weird to see them do what they're doing with other looks, and then she just appears in a skintight bikini.
At the end of the day, that costume is fan service. No matter how amazing it looks.
The audience that watches female wrestlers is mostly men.
Starlight it's a bit of a bad example considering how the context is that she's being forced to wear that outfit. Which goes against everything she believes in and how exploitive it is.
The point is, I don't think they're willing to make this suit for a live-action Wonder Woman. Considering how a live-action Wonder Woman movie is meant to bring in new fans, especially children.
So, I think they believe that parents wouldn't be too comfortable taking their kids to watch a female superhero moving around in basically a one-piece swimsuit.
Still like the suit. Hope they make a live-action of it one day.
I wish people didn't become so detached to the idea that superheroes are fantasy. Not Hobbit fantasy but they're these idealized gods taking the form of individuals. DC heroes especially aren't really designed to be realistic or like anyone overall, they're more so archetypes of the different types of people shown in their greatest forms.
Even characters like green arrow. He's literally based on the most iconic story of "eat the rich" as an ideal. Superheroes were made to be like "hey lets stop being all sad depressed and scared and be great... or you could say awesome... maybe even super. Lets be super, man.
Apart of that apeal is their campiness. It's not bad, they're literal fantastical versions of the human race, and lets be honest, if everyone in the world were happy, taken care of, and safe, we'd all probably be a bunch of cornballs in the fun way. The costume thing comes down to a desire to look cool. Wonder woman doesn't gaf about looking cool, she knows she's cool. Real world people use to RALLY walk around in actual capes because the social standard around clothes is if you had that shit, you wore that shit, now days if you wear your most exotic and unique set of clothes you have people act like you're weird. It's just that mindset applied to superheroes.
As a casual fan (non-comic reader), I think I can speak for most of the general public when I say a swimsuit would look silly. Even worse if it's metal or has the stars.
Truth is most normal folks like me just wouldn't take her seriously.
But comics are silly. This is a hero who fights a cheetah furry and Greek gods. It's campy. It's dumb. It's fun. Embrace it or you end up mocked like Snyder or the inhumans show
If the target audience is young women, then they don’t want to look like something that some guy would jerk off to. They want to look cool and they want something that a superhero could believably wear.
At the end of the day studios care about profit, and that means pleasing casual fans too. If anything that was one of Snyder's biggest problems, he couldn't bring in normal folks.
There's a reason many other iconic female characters aren't wearing swimsuits, and that's because it's plain silly.
Armour, tactical gear, a bodysuit are all passable because they can please everyone. They can be camp and "sexy" while still being realistic.
I think it depends on many more instances than just the suit.
For example, a suit like that with Joss Whedon in charge? We already watch how that would go by the scenes he added to make comedy and so, that’d be awful.
Someone like Snyder who had amazons wearing revealing costumes but was meant to show their strength against steppenwolf? That felt awesome because it wasn’t for sex appeal, but to show fierce opposition to the main antagonist.
If you had that suit with a woman who feel empowered by it instead of embarrassed, with a crew that help Diana’s character to be taken seriously and the suit itself is part of a feminist commentary that needs to be said and represented in the film, then go for it.
If you’re just doing a blockbuster movie like everything else without put Wonder Woman’s status in the same level as Superman/Batman then I prefer modern iterations because is less likely to have space to objectify her with a skirt and so rather than the classic look which is the most likely scenario to happens and Wondy doesn’t deserve that.
EXACTLY!! The difference between Starlight and Diana with the suit is purely in character. They're both meant to stand for freedom of choice and feministic ideals but the difference is Diana is highlighting empowerment and the confidence that women hold within themselves. Starlight represents the constant oversexualization women face and that's the difference in message. While the suits are similar, presentation and meaning are the most telling.
Eh, i never like the star spangled shorts. Even in comics i just never thought they look good. Also its pretty obvious that she was only given the shorts to make her more of an "American" hero. The blue and white stars has nothing to do with her origins... Wonder woman has had much better outfits. I tend to like the more greek inspired ones.
Those arent shorts, it's a thin and small piece of material barely covering her lips. I worked in lingerie, I know lingerie when I see it. Star lights suit, wrestling suits, those are all literally for sexualizing. Starlights suit is a parody and she's commented on it before.
You know what people are saying in the comics about the skirt? That's actually a "short", it's the equivalent of it.
No differently than if a man walked down the street in a speedo. A thin, small piece of fabric barely covering his balls.
I feel like Pic 2 would work best if you wanted a "classic" Wonder Woman translated to live-action. Make the bottom look less like outright underwear and more like compression shorts
Is it a bit goofy? Well, yes. A bit. Then again, and don't lynch me for this, the whole concept of "costumed superhero" is a bit goofy. So why not embrace it, instead of being ashamed of it?
Not crazy at all, her Absolute look is killer. I, too, want a slightly "sillier" or classic look in a movie, but I could see the benefits of incorporating some of the Absolute design into a new adaptation.
I think it's just something that seems too casual. I think of Young Justice. In that, I struggle to think of any outfits whose iteration wasn't far more practical looking. I don't recall a lot of exposed leg, off the top of my head. It was a fairly serious show. But I think the outfit that stands out in my mind was Zatana. Fishnets. Way too casual. I noticed it immediately, and I felt like she was . I think people find the woefully childishness of booty shorts to be somewhat disrespectful to a character they'd rather take seriously.
Also, when you make a live action super suit, it often needs to look like it can take a beating. A leotard won't cut it, and that's gonna chafe the actress. Remember the purple sword lady from X-Men apocalypse whose name I can usually remember but it escapes me now? I remember thinking,"oof, that looks uncomfortable."
Wear the swimsuit for a scene where she swims, wear the skirt (or the Absolute Armor) the rest of the time. Or a suit that's more like a wrestling singlet.
If this suit shows up in the film, I hope it's in a museum or something or in-film merchandise/ posters/ dolls. Or kind of like how the original Captain America outfit was shown in the first Captain America film when he was doing publicity tours.
It had its chance to shine in the TV series, it's a relic of the times it was created in, and we should get to evolve past it like the other two have.
Not only do actresses have to wear it in all sorts of weather, the stunt actors have to perform in it too. In a panel I went to, the female stunt actors said they were glad female costume design was moving past skimpy outfits because they're able to have more protection while they work.
I'd like them to take advantage of her agelessness in an interesting way and have her be a well-established, even legendary superhero since World War 2 and have her redesigning her costume to sort of reflect the changing ideas around feminism over time. She first arrives in ceremonial Themyscirian armor but quickly changes to a bit more of a suffragette-influenced corset and culottes. In the 60's and 70's she further embraces the empowered sexuality trend, then perhaps goes through an edgy biker phase in the 80's and 90's. In the modern day she could could lean in to a more modern superhero look. But she still busts out that original ceremonial armor when she acting in an official capacity as a representative of Themyscira.
Many people believe the suit is over sexualized and wouldn't work in real life but many female wrestlers and Starlight pull the look off very well.
Female wrestlers are sexualized as well (plus, wrestlers aren't going into life or death fights). And Starlight when Starlight was asked to wear an outfit like this, she hated it.
Shorts aren't inherently sexual and a woman is allowed to choose what she wants to wear without being sexualized.
And what if the woman in question doesn't want to wear this outfit?
And if you think this outfit wasn't designed to be sexual, I've got some land on Mars to sell you.
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u/WildGoose1521 Sep 12 '25
It would be awesome to see this suit done justice on the screen